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	<title>Comments on: Calling Jenny Carbon: I need to lose 10 tons by Christmas (and so do you, and you, and&#8230;)</title>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
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		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I took the test for our carbon footprint and we are 40% or more below average Americans in all categories.  That may still be too high.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the test for our carbon footprint and we are 40% or more below average Americans in all categories.  That may still be too high.</p>
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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 06:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our Sear’s catalogue came in, like, August.  And I’d look at the pages with the electric football games - the ones that would vibrate and the palyers would all run around in circles.  day after day.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Sear’s catalogue came in, like, August.  And I’d look at the pages with the electric football games &#8211; the ones that would vibrate and the palyers would all run around in circles.  day after day.</p>
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		<title>By: caia</title>
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		<dc:creator>caia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m sure you will talk about this, but one of my personal hobby-horses with reducing energy use/carbon emissions is how it has to be made possible at city/state/national levels.  It’s not just something people can do all by themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aside from the class issue which has been mentioned, these measures have to be made accessible to people who are not fit and healthy.  The elderly, people with disabilities, people with illnesses both chronic and acute, we all need to be able to participate.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d love to be able to ride my bike everywhere, but even when the weather would allow it, my health does not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sure you will talk about this, but one of my personal hobby-horses with reducing energy use/carbon emissions is how it has to be made possible at city/state/national levels.  It’s not just something people can do all by themselves.</p>
<p>Aside from the class issue which has been mentioned, these measures have to be made accessible to people who are not fit and healthy.  The elderly, people with disabilities, people with illnesses both chronic and acute, we all need to be able to participate.  </p>
<p>I’d love to be able to ride my bike everywhere, but even when the weather would allow it, my health does not.</p>
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		<title>By: greenwarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenwarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1075095&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;msmolly @ 31&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1075094&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 30&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Texas firepups are “camping” as we speak!!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Waaah. Sniffle. Pout.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Srsly, have fun all of you! Is Betsy there? I feel like I know some of you just from reading all of your comments. Feels like family.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most of us central Texas firepups who are going are going for the afternoon tomorrow.  I’ve been in “therapy” today at the Austic Celtic Music Festival and will go again tomorrow evening.  If there are any Celtic music fans out there, I heard the group “Patrick Street” today for the first time and they are awesome.  And our own Scottish transplant in Austin, Ed Miller has a voice that melts me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1075095"><em>msmolly @ 31</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1075094"><em>LS @ 30</em></a></p>
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<p>Texas firepups are “camping” as we speak!!!</p>
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<p>Waaah. Sniffle. Pout.</p>
<p>Srsly, have fun all of you! Is Betsy there? I feel like I know some of you just from reading all of your comments. Feels like family.</p>
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<p>Most of us central Texas firepups who are going are going for the afternoon tomorrow.  I’ve been in “therapy” today at the Austic Celtic Music Festival and will go again tomorrow evening.  If there are any Celtic music fans out there, I heard the group “Patrick Street” today for the first time and they are awesome.  And our own Scottish transplant in Austin, Ed Miller has a voice that melts me.</p>
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		<title>By: christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1075273&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;peanutbutter @ 174&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Yikes!  Then I guess there’s the delivery issue.  Don’t think I’m going to cram 20 of those suckers into a Honda CRV :-/&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fold down the back seats and you should be able to get six in without much trouble.  Ok, that’d be 3-4 trips, depending upon how far away the place is…… and enlist help from your friends!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1075273"><em>peanutbutter @ 174</em></a></p>
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Yikes!  Then I guess there’s the delivery issue.  Don’t think I’m going to cram 20 of those suckers into a Honda CRV :-/</p>
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<p>Fold down the back seats and you should be able to get six in without much trouble.  Ok, that’d be 3-4 trips, depending upon how far away the place is…… and enlist help from your friends!!!</p>
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		<title>By: peanutbutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peanutbutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1075255&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;christine @ 168&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1075233&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;peanutbutter @ 154&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1075227&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;christine @ 148&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I just checked around online.  Given my location, is $200 reasonable for 20 bales? Hmmmm…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YES!!!!!  But will qualify that with depending up on the size of the bale.  If it’s a standard (and I’m guessing) 18in x 18in x 2ft, yes, that’s a good price.  That’s about 50 pounds per bale.  IIRC the big round ton bales cost around $1,500 each around here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yikes!  Then I guess there’s the delivery issue.  Don’t think I’m going to cram 20 of those suckers into a Honda CRV :-/&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1075255"><em>christine @ 168</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1075233"><em>peanutbutter @ 154</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1075227"><em>christine @ 148</em></a><br />
I just checked around online.  Given my location, is $200 reasonable for 20 bales? Hmmmm…</p>
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<p>YES!!!!!  But will qualify that with depending up on the size of the bale.  If it’s a standard (and I’m guessing) 18in x 18in x 2ft, yes, that’s a good price.  That’s about 50 pounds per bale.  IIRC the big round ton bales cost around $1,500 each around here.</p>
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<p>Yikes!  Then I guess there’s the delivery issue.  Don’t think I’m going to cram 20 of those suckers into a Honda CRV :-/</p>
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		<title>By: neokneme</title>
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		<dc:creator>neokneme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLIMATE_SECURITY?SITE=AP&amp;SECTION=HOME&amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&amp;CTIME=2007-11-03-03-13-55&quot;&gt;Think Tank: Climate Affects Security&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Climate change is likely to breed new conflicts, but it already is magnifying existing problems, from the desertification of Darfur and competition for water in the Middle East to the disruptive monsoons in Asia which &lt;em&gt;increase the pressure for land&lt;/em&gt;, the report said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What better use for &lt;a&gt;Five Million Acres?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The government is appealing to the patriotism of the community, but the landowners are skeptical of the appeals to national security.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Got &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp&quot;&gt;Hemp&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Hemp requires little to no pesticides, replenishes soil with nutrients and nitrogen, controls erosion of the topsoil, and converts CO2 to Oxygen very well, considering how fast it grows. Furthermore, Hemp could be used to replace many potentially harmful products, such as tree paper (the process of which uses bleaches and other toxic chemicals, apart from contributing to deforestation), cosmetics (which often contain synthetic oils that can clog pores and provide little nutritional content for the skin), plastics (which are petroleum based and cannot decompose), and more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who could have imagined that growing hemp was both patriotic &lt;em&gt;and &lt;/em&gt;climate-friendly?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLIMATE_SECURITY?SITE=AP&amp;SECTION=HOME&amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&amp;CTIME=2007-11-03-03-13-55">Think Tank: Climate Affects Security</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Climate change is likely to breed new conflicts, but it already is magnifying existing problems, from the desertification of Darfur and competition for water in the Middle East to the disruptive monsoons in Asia which <em>increase the pressure for land</em>, the report said.</p>
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<p>What better use for <a>Five Million Acres?</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The government is appealing to the patriotism of the community, but the landowners are skeptical of the appeals to national security.</p>
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<p>Got <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp">Hemp</a>?
</p>
<blockquote><p>Hemp requires little to no pesticides, replenishes soil with nutrients and nitrogen, controls erosion of the topsoil, and converts CO2 to Oxygen very well, considering how fast it grows. Furthermore, Hemp could be used to replace many potentially harmful products, such as tree paper (the process of which uses bleaches and other toxic chemicals, apart from contributing to deforestation), cosmetics (which often contain synthetic oils that can clog pores and provide little nutritional content for the skin), plastics (which are petroleum based and cannot decompose), and more.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who could have imagined that growing hemp was both patriotic <em>and </em>climate-friendly?</p>
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		<title>By: peanutbutter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peanutbutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New thread: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/03/late-night-wingnut-crap-of-the-week-8/&quot;&gt;Late Night: Wingnut Crap of the Week&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New thread: <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/03/late-night-wingnut-crap-of-the-week-8/">Late Night: Wingnut Crap of the Week</a></p>
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		<title>By: TheOtherWA</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheOtherWA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;VictorLaszlo&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, I just look like a barrel of laughs, eh? It was a good time - honest!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least RBG and TheOtherWA look happy. The rest of us, not so much.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was a blast! We talked nw politics, and some backstage stuff. The mods here rock! RGB is a hoot. Before this I knew there was a lot going on behind the scenes, but had no real idea how much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VictorLaszlo
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<blockquote><p>Yeah, I just look like a barrel of laughs, eh? It was a good time &#8211; honest!</p></blockquote>
<p>At least RBG and TheOtherWA look happy. The rest of us, not so much.</p>
<p>It was a blast! We talked nw politics, and some backstage stuff. The mods here rock! RGB is a hoot. Before this I knew there was a lot going on behind the scenes, but had no real idea how much.</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Years ago I took my California-boyfriend with me on a trip to visit family in south Alabama. He was blown away by the kudzu, he thought it was really pretty and wanted to take some clippings home with him to plant in his yard. I didn’t know if it would grow at his place, but the mere idea of liking kudzu was a source of much amusement to the locals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s truly amazing. I have learned over the years that if you just mow on the border very week it stays back. The Japanese make a flour out of it. If only we could hybrid it with panama red!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago I took my California-boyfriend with me on a trip to visit family in south Alabama. He was blown away by the kudzu, he thought it was really pretty and wanted to take some clippings home with him to plant in his yard. I didn’t know if it would grow at his place, but the mere idea of liking kudzu was a source of much amusement to the locals.</p>
<p>It’s truly amazing. I have learned over the years that if you just mow on the border very week it stays back. The Japanese make a flour out of it. If only we could hybrid it with panama red!</p>
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