(photo by Broken Haiku)
When you were a kid, would you ever wait for the Sears Christmas catolog to arrive…and then look at the wonders it promised..and wonder if Christmas would everrrr get here? Our catalog would come right around Halloween, and my brothers and I would “share” it (while our parents donned their blue helmets to enforce the peace – ain’t advertising grand?) We’d settle down for the long wait … almost two months off…nearly sixty whole days!
And we’d wish we could speed up time and jump right ahead to the future.
My brothers and I never found out how to speed up time……or slow it down.
But hey – we’re only three of six billion humans – and we’re all such clever monekys that – working together – we’ve made a time machine.
Pretty cool, right?
Well….uh…not so much. It’s actually far too hot.
The time machine only goes one direction….forward.
And we’ve all journeyed to a future that isn’t cool at all – but lethally hot.
As recently as last year, this future looked to be decades away – as far off in the distance as Christmas is for an eight year old on Halloween.
The trigger for that future – that lethally hot future – isn’t decades away.
That trigger is our now. We’re living it. So far. Most of us.
To understand this, we need to have a little info about the big blue planet that is our home world.
Fortunately for us oxygen breathing animals (and our friends the plants, who breathe carbon dioxide, or CO2), our planet is big enough that Earth’s gravity traps gas on the surface on the planet, instead of letting the oxygen and CO2 float off into space. Our poor moon is too small to hold much of surface gas in the weak embrace of her gravity, which is why the moon is – well – close enough to airless that we’d all die there.
Just like a sealed car on a sunny day traps the sun’s heat and warms up, our planet in its mantle of transparent(ish) gases and water vapor traps enough of the sun’s light that our little ball of rock in space is warm – far warmer than the airless ball of rock that is our poor moon.
We’re lucky – just like our friends the plants, we’ve evolved on this friendly blue ball, so the mix of gas and heat and air has been just right for us – as it has been once was for the plants who had the place to themselves for a long time before our earliest relatives started grubbing around their roots.
Now – with six billion of us human monkeys running around the planet and burning things to:
drive and fly around the planet
grow our food
move our food, and cook our food
heat the houses we eat our food in,
heat the water we wash our plates (and us) in
pump the water we use
pump the stuff we burn to do all this
…and (oops – almost forgot!) and to kill people who live over stuff in the ground that we want to burn more of.
Now we busy monkeys have covered so much of the planet we’ve changed the comfy mix we and the plants have come to know and love – and require for survivial.
And we’ve done it faster than anyone imagined possible.
WIth the Sears card, everyone had a finite spending limit – try to put more on the card than the limit allowed, and the card wouldn’t let you. Now I’m a science nerd, not an econ nerd, but this hard limit is what IIRC econ folks call inelastic – the fancy word for “no give”.
We human monkeys like to tell stories – and for a long time we told ourselves the “no limits” story. We told ourselves the lands were limitless – amd when we could jump from the crowded places we grew up in and go live on some other humans’ land, we told ourselves stories about the other humans….something to the effect of the “others” weren’t really using the land, or weren’t really people – or needed us to take their land, or…
When the “endless lands” story wore thin, we told ourselves we had “endless seas”. The neat thing about the sea is that most of it has no people, so we could just grab what we wanted (fish) and dump whatever was killing us (our trash, nuclear waste, chemical wastes, and sewage) in the endless seas.
Hey, it worked great on America’s endless frontier – except for those pesky Indians. They have the bad luck to live (after we’d pushed ‘em around the country a bit) over the oil and uranium we wanted, living next to big open spaces where we want to put all the stuff we make that kills us.
Unlike the First Peoples, fish can’t talk – and when some humans got uppity enough to talk on the fishes’ behalf, some thoughtful colonial power…say, France – would simply murder the pesky humans.
While France can (and did) blow up the Rainbow Warrior, all the bombs on Earth won’t blow up our carbon dioxide. There’s too much of it, and it doesn’t burn well.
Well, we can burn it, bury it, or dump it – in the Thames.
And all the other waters of our blue planet.
Those endless seas – well – for a long time we clever monkeys could count on the seas to just swallow a big old portion of our waste gas.
And for a long time, they could.
When carbon dioxide dissolves in water, the result is a very slight acid. Together, all six billion of us (and our recent ancestors) have made so much carbon dioxide that we’ve changed the chemistry of the entire planet – we’ve made our oceans more acidic.
Now how’s that for a chemistry lab?
Well – pretty sucky, it turns out.
We can make a big mess in high school chemistry lab and still go off to the cafeteria for lunch.
In the real world – our real world – we’re doing the chemistry experiment in the only room in the global school: our biosphere.
We are gassing up the homeroom big time.
And the homeroom is our blue planet, all alone in the night – the only home we have.
The world’s top climate scientists – and their governments – came together to create the IPCC ( Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), and I’ve been sharing the IPCC’s findings with you all in the uber-nerdy mega comments I leave cluttering up the threads.
I’m convinced the climate scientists in the IPCC are straight and honest – but the “Intergovernmental” part of the IPCC muffles their alarms – the IPCC reports are the consensus that survives passage through all the political reps (one from each nation) who can vote yay or nay.
Like the Saudis. And like the US under Shrub and Darth.
Most of us six billion human monkeys heard of the IPCC a few weeks ago when they shared the Nobel with Vice President Gore.
And just a few weeks ago a very clever human monkey at the IPCC made a lot of us monkeys very give big alarm cries – but not as loudly as we need to.
Tim Flannery, a world recognised climate change scientist and Australian of the Year in 2007, said a UN international climate change report due in November will show that greenhouse gases have already reached a dangerous level.
“We thought we’d be at that threshold within about a decade,” Flannery told Australian television late on Monday.
“We thought we had that much time. But the new data indicates that in about mid-2005 we crossed that threshold,” he said.
Just another climate gasbag, right?
Well, not quite – not at all.
Tim Flannery, a world recognised climate change scientist and Australian of the Year in 2007….said he had seen the raw data which will be in the IPCC Synthesis Report.
So who cares about 455 ppm of CO2 equivalent?
Well, only those of us with physical bodies.
All you deities and demiurges don’t have to sweat it – if you can sweat it.
The rest of us – the mortal folk – have to make a few changes.
Well – a whole biosphere’s worth.
Which is just what we clever imitative monkeys are good at doing.
Ever since Siggy Freud’s avaricious nephew teamed with up Manhattan’s ad men, every year more and more of us clever monkeys have pulled all sorts of levers…
so we could get the physical objects the ad men told us to get…
and make the life choices (and value systems) we needed to purchase the objects…
the ad mens’ owners chose for us to have.
Just one of the whole “industries” we monkeys obey – fashion.
Another: vehicles.
Hell, we’ll even eat toxic crap – if we see enough pictures of other monkeys eating it.
Like we monkeys would have come up with platform shoes and SUV’s on our own?
No way – that’s why advertising costs big bucks – you have to distract us constantly to get us to pull the levers when even we can see they’ll just hurt us.
What does any of this have to do with car windows and 455 ppm and The Australian of the Year?
Oh – that.
We’ve burnt so much stuff for so long the oceans won’t swallow as much as they used to. And the earth won’t bury as much as it used to. And the plants have eaten so much gas from our burning they have to do less – so they’ll eat less of the gasses.
Oh – and the blue planet under those very, very thick windows made of the gasses from all the stuff we’ve burnt – and burn?
That planet?
That’s why The Australian of the Year is worried
Flannery said global economic expansion….was a major factor behind the unexpected acceleration in greenhouse gas levels.
“We’re still basing that economic activity on fossil fuels. You know, the metabolism of that economy is now on a collision course, clearly, with the metabolism of our planet,” he said.
Drat those pesky gases from all the stuff we clever monkeys burn!
In January 2007, the European Commission [said] “the European Union’s objective is to limit global average temperature increase to less than 2°C compared to pre-industrial levels”.
Andrew Weaver and colleagues at the University of Victoria in Canada say this means going well beyond the reduction of industrial emissions discussed in international negotiations.
[snip]
They modelled the reduction of industrial emissions below 2006 levels by between 20% and 100% by 2050. Only when emissions were entirely eliminated did the temperature increase remain below 2°C.
A 100% reduction of emissions saw temperature change stabilise at 1.5°C above the pre-industrial figure. With a 90% reduction by 2050, Weaver’s model predicted that temperature change will eventually exceed 2°C compared to pre-industrial temperatures but then plateau.
Stark contrastThe researchers conclude that governments should consider reducing emissions to 90% below current levels and remove what is left in the atmosphere by capturing and storing carbon.
There is a stark contrast between this proposal and the measures currently being considered. Under the UN’s Kyoto protocol, most developed nations have agreed to limit their emissions to a minimum of 5% below 1990 levels by 2012.
[bold - kjm]
The researchers say their study highlights the shortcomings of governmental plans to limit climate change.
A warming of 2°C above pre-industrial temperatures is frequently cited as the limit beyond which the world will face “dangerous” climate change. Beyond this level, analysis suggests the continents will cease to absorb more carbon dioxide than they produce. As the tundra and other regions of permafrost thaw, they will spew more gas into the atmosphere, adding to the warming effect of human emissions.
The end result will be dramatic ecological changes, including widespread coastal flooding, reduced food production, and widespread species extinction.
How do we get from here to there? How much of a cut must we make?
Oh – only around 90% in twenty-three years.
While the carbon dioxide concentration currently stands at 380 parts, the other greenhouse gases raise this to an equivalent of 440 or 450. In other words, if everything else were equal, greenhouse gas concentrations in 2030 would need to be roughly the same as they are today.
Unfortunately, everything else is not equal. By 2030, according to a paper published by scientists at the Met Office, the total capacity of the biosphere to absorb carbon will have reduced from the current 4 billion tonnes a year to 2.7 billion(8). To maintain equilibrium at that point, in other words, the world’s population can emit no more than 2.7 billion tonnes of carbon a year in 2030. As we currently produce around 7 billion, this implies a global reduction of 60%. In 2030, the world’s people are likely to number around 8.2 billion. By dividing the total carbon sink (2.7 billion tonnes) by the number of people, we find that to achieve stabilisation the weight of carbon emissions per person should be no greater than 0.33 tonnes. If this problem is to be handled fairly, everyone should have the same entitlement to release carbon, at a rate no greater than 0.33 tonnes per year.
In the rich countries, this means an average cut by 2030 of around 90%. The United Kingdom, for example, currently releases 2.6 tonnes of carbon (9.5 tonnes of carbon dioxide) per capita(9), so would need to reduce its emissions by 87%. Germany requires a cut of 88%, France of 83%, the United States, Canada and Australia, 94%.
Hey – we only have to lose 10 tons of CO2 equivalent a year?
In the UK, they only have to lose about 9.2.
Should be easy – it only takes 2.0 tons per person per to year to power:
the UK’s streetlights
the UK’s hospitals
the UK’s wars.
How do we get from 10.0 to 0.33?
We can – and the next series of posts discusses how.
In the meantime, what does the MSM have to say about Brittany and toes?
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KIRK! Let’s Step It UP!
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What time is it anyway??? Oh, yeah…now. Just like it always is.
I was at a Step it up 2007 rally featuring John Edwards today!
He is committed to doing everything he can to stop climate change.
He was very impassioned and inspiring!
Yeah Edwards!
Doesn’t anyone get a break these days?
Thanks Laura, raven, and LS – sorry for the challenging news on a Saturday night.
Beautiful post.
Peak oil might help a little, but the economy is headed for certain global collapse in the next 5 – 10 yrs.
Very challenging! Back to read (and digest). Givin’ me heartburn…
Wow, great Saturday eve post, Kirk. Sounds like we USAers need to go on a bigtime carbon diet. Cheney first!
Good evening Kirk, you’ve got a trend going with these meaty posts on saturday nights. No complaints from me, I just have to read through them a few times before I gather all the info. I’ve learned a lot from your postings, thank you!
“Sears Christmas Catalog”? Can’t help it. Here’s a bit of human interest. The other night I was over at my almost 100 year old Demo Auntie’s house, and we were talking about “the depression” and how much she loved FDR. And I can’t recall how we started on this subject, but the subject was toilet paper. The Auntie was born and raised at her parent’s house about 10 miles from here. They had no running water, electricity or inside toilet. She told me that they used the Sears catalog for toilet paper. I’m still rolling on the ground. Gawd.
OKK, my father used to talk about taking the Monkey Ward wishbook to the outhouse for the same purpose.
hey kirk!
i think our political and economic elite already have a plan to take care of this – rapid demand reduction via world-wide economic crash.
Are these the “good old days”?
Just back from the Portland meetup…
Very nice to meet RBG, katymine, TheOtherWA, oregondave, and bustedknuckles.
Someone has photographic evidence. It’ll probably show up here eventually.
kirk murphy @ 5
Good evening, Doctor – it’s good to have chellenging news on Saturday night – it’s the only night I’ve got free to really chew on it!!!
The last summary of the UN’s climate report sounded as if the tipping point has been passed. They were talking about the beginning of the sixth mass extinction.
Great post.
I see no reason to believe that we are going to do what needs to be done.
As a species, we are more likely to stand around with our collective jaw hanging open as disaster unfolds than we are to respond effectively to a global crisis of this magnitude.
Laura Doty @ 11
“Monkey Ward”. That brings back memories. That’s what my beloved Grandma always called Montgomery Ward. ;0)
OK, my mom and her mom told me of he same on the Ohio hill country farm my grandma grew up on.
My dad recalls the same when he was sent off to stay with country relatives during the Depression.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 10
selise @ 12
selise,
i’m hoping someone will find the ref calculating the share of US fossil fuel for non-essential conumer demand (for the sake of ease, let’s call all housing, transport, and food served at home essential, although huge energy savings are possible in those sectors)
when we add to this the amount used by the Pentagon to fight wars of aggression (and to be capable of doing so) we’re already looking at vast pools of wasted fossil fuel.
We can do this.
And don’t forget “die offs” in the third world. They’re going for 2-3BB worldwide.
This will really help the enviroment.
link
Five million acres is about one New Jersey in size. All those Western Ranchers who loved their republicans are going to get screwed. In CO, it doesn’t sound like the gubmint is going to accept no as an answer.
Big Yellow Taxi
Counting Crows
I’m trying to figure out priorities…
I’m gonna get nuked because of nukes.
I’m gonna get “extincted”, because of the environment.
I’m gonna be starving and homeless, because of the economy.
I’m about to find out that I’m in a dictatorship.
Blackwater is taking over.
Well, I guess I could find a way to survive a dictatorship.
I guess I could deal with being starving and homeless.
Fuck Blackwater.
I might not get nuked (been living with that all my life).
But, if the planet cannot support life…well, then I guess I have to go with that one as numero uno.
madmommy @ 9
Sorry about your Tide, MM!
CTuttle @ 25
I didn’t think they had a snowball’s chance to win, but they sure gave LSU a game! Wonder how this will affect the rankings?
Did you see the profile on Colt this morning on Game Day?
VictorLaszlo @ 14
I am hoping for an Indiana (or midwest) meetup. I know there are several of us here. I’d be happy to travel anywhere within reason.
And didn’t I see a “live” comment in an earlier thread from the SOCAL/Fish Taco group? I am jealous!
madmommy @ 26
Rats, I missed it!
Kirk-when I read things like this the scenario seems so hopeless that I wonder what can be done. I realize you’re going for a series of posts here, but realistically what can we do individually right now?
msmolly @ 27
Texas firepups are “camping” as we speak!!!
LS @ 30
Waaah. Sniffle. Pout.
Srsly, have fun all of you! Is Betsy there? I feel like I know some of you just from reading all of your comments. Feels like family.
kirk murphy @ 20
i don’t dispute that we can.
i just have my doubts about whether we will.
One of the things that really pisses me off is how Reagan undid all the good work Carter had done to start getting us weaned off of the oil tit. If Carter’s good start had been allowed to grow and flourish, we’d be in a lot better shape today.
kiddo and me wish you all a good evening. Good night.
lahoma
Kirk, this is such scary stuff. I’m nearly 65, so probably won’t be around to see the worst of it, but I have a son and daughter and 5 grandkids who will suffer the effects of our inaction and inattention.
clever monkeys, we are hard-wired for distraction….
imagine “races” for the most fuel-efficient stove…
Holding the National Championship in the Rose Bowl – New Year’s weekend.
Twenty-three years to lose 10 tons?
That’s seventy-two pounds a month.
We won’t lose it sitting on the couch watching sports.
(And I’m really hoping Ohio State won and I’ll never forgive the ROse Bowl honchoes for giving it up to the friggin computers – I wan to watch OSU win!)
Enough of that sports talk ;) the planet’s cooking.
Phoenix Woman @ 33
This is good.
lahoma
madmommy @ 29
walk, ride bike, take bus, car pool. Think about using a zip car if they’re available. If you’re buying soon, consider a hybrid (a REAL one, not honda) or biodiesel
buy local, buy minimally processed, buy minimal packaging, buy bulk,
buy used or swap, buy organic
recycle and compost (in my town, veggie compost can be put in clippings barrel, if one doesn’t compost for one’s garden)
change your light bulbs, take shorter showers. turn water off while soaping. Hang clothes to dry. Only wash full loads.
Buy coffee out? Carry a commuter cup. Take water with you? Use a reusable bottle and make a practice not to buy tossables. ….
There’s so many small things that can be done, and that will make you feel good! (especially the bike riding!)
I KNOW we can do this.
Msmolly @27: If you hear of a Midwestern meetup, please let me know.
For you Mother Earth. Restless one. Goodnight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..k&NR=1
lahoma
Somedays…I feel like “this”…but when I watch “this”…I somehow feel better!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko7ZCSLfEFE
karen allen @ 39
Absolutely. Where are you? I am in South Bend. Jayt is in Indy. I know I’ve seen other Indiana folks on these threads, but we could draw in some Illinois, Ohio, Michigan pups too, within only a couple hours drive.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
Lahoma, you are beautiful. Thanks.
OfT: Hollywood Fred is finished, I betcha:
[snip]
Laura Doty @ 38
Last nite’s NOW had an excellent show on keeping it local, 4 hours from harvest to consumer is an ideal norm!
Msmolly @42: Southwest Ohio
I found this video that, while it may oversimplify the concept of capitalism, gets you thinking about how our system contributes to the problems we face like climate change.
Capitalism and Other Kids’ Stuff
- Tom
i just finished watching a couple hours of mukasey being questioned by the senate judiciary committee (from the 18th). that’s probably why i’m not feeling particularly hopeful about the human race at the moment.
Kirk – great post! and such an important subject.
And Laura is so right – there is much we can do but we have get doing it.
TeddySanFran @ 44
Gee that’s too bad. My dad may have to scrape that Thompson for president sticker off the back of his car. Every time I see it I just cringe. Perhaps I should just do it myself before he embarasses himself further.
Hi, all!
A sobering post, to be sure. But one way or another we’ll cut those emissions. Either we do it, or everything crashes and it’s done for us :-P. I’d like to do it non catastrophically, but this one doesn’t take a village, it takes a world.
And yes, I can’t express how angry it makes me to think of Reagan undoing Carter’s start on all this.
The Costa Mesa meetup was lots of fun! I just got back (yes, we hobnobbed for a good six hours).
selise @ 48
Particularly, in retrospect of Chuck’s and DiFi’s capitulation…
CTuttle @ 45
that sound good to me… except in the winter time. just picked up my last week of veggies from the local organic farm. no more for me until, probably june. i’ll have to go to the grocery store :(
TSF – That’s an awful lot of criminality for probation with no time served.
selise @ 53
That’s why I live in Hawaii…! *g*
peanutbutter @ 51
Our ears were burning!
In light of this thread, may I recommend Square Foot Gardening to anyone remotely interested in growing their own produce? It’s even possible to grow a number of things during the winter — eg inside, or in a greenhouse, and using cold-season produce. Square foot gardening also makes gardening in very small spaces possible. You can search on the term at amazon to find a number of titles — any of these are a good place to start.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind…..er#ClientsPhoenix Woman @ 33
Yep – we sure would be
Hillary’s BFF and chief strategist/pollster Mark Penn heads up the PR firm that tanked Bill’s carbon tax.
The same PR firm Blackwater just hired.
Burson-Marsteller.
Between Reagan and Mark Penn’s clients, we’re screwed.
Fortunately, we have other choices….
kirk murphy @ 36
Kirk, I think part of the problem is that people see this as a very personally expensive issue. “Oh, I’d have to gut my house and insulate and replace my windows. I don’t have the money to do that” — so, it seems overwhelming and they do nothing. Or, they don’t have public transport available. Or, whatever. We all have excuses. The question is when do we stop allowing excuses to be the barrier to our doing our part?
I always figured that any little reduction was a good one. Yes, my husband and I are gutting our house and insulating and replacing the windows. Before that, we lowered the thermostat to 64 during the day in the winter (that’s Upstate New York winter) and 60 at night and wore sweaters. Yes, by St. Jimmeh Carter, we wear sweaters. And piled another blanket on the bed. And our kids all wore sweaters. And we sealed the drafty windows inside with plastic.
The last time we had to replace a vehicle, we replaced an F-150 truck that we had been using for livestock with a Prius. We not longer had livestock but if we did, we’d borrow or rent a truck if we had need of it to move hay or animals. We really were not using a truck every single day for the purpose that we’d bought it for, so that was a waste. Several days a week when the weather is not freezing cold, I ride my bike to work – that’s 16 miles roundtrip. On the days when I don’t bike, my husband drops me off at work on his way and picks me up. We are down to one vehicle.
Everyone can do their part. A big issue that I see out where I live is that there are a lot of rural poor folks who are living in houses just like mine – and a lot older – who are burning wood or fuel oil and who really need to be targeted with programs to get their houses insulated, new windows and furnaces. Some of these folks are living in houses with outdoor plumbing. But a lot of people are burning tremendous amounts of fuel oil during the winter because their houses are basically full of leaks. The electric and gas utilities in New York State no longer have the free “energy survey” programs (thanks to deregulation)but I think there might be funds available to help people become more energy efficient – if only they knew about them and the State/Fed. made it easier and more convenient for them to get the help they need. I’m sure many of them would be more than happy to do their parts to help – but right now, they are just too busy trying to keep body and soul together to get involved in energy programs.
My two cents.
After watching An Inconvenient Truth the summer before last, I went out and got a bike. I ride to work as often as I can, and aim for at least one entirely carless day per weekend. At the time my family saw IC (we dragged the teen, too), our carbon footprint was close to nil, as I’ve been obsessive about environmental issues since the 70s. Since then, I’ve become even more engaged, buying, for example, lotion and shampoo from a store lets customers bring in their own bottles to fill, and working hard to buy minimally processed/minially packaged foods.
We haven’t gone 100% vegetarian yet, but we wending our way there, as that really cuts down on methane in the atmosphere. Soy good for us!
CTuttle @ 52
oh yeah – watching them was the worst part. but i’ve now ripped video of thirteen clips that the ny folks are going to use to made a youtube video. they are also going to have a vigil on monday and try to meet with someone at schumer’s office. ny google group rocks – schumer sucks.
karen allen @ 46
I moved to South Bend from Cincinnati 4-1/2 years ago. It’s a couple of hours to Indy, a bit longer from South Bend, so that might be an ideal fairly central location. Maybe we could get someone who lives in Indy (Jayt?) to pick a spot. Might have to wait until spring because of weather.
Sorry everyone, didn’t mean to hijack the thread. We can take this offline: email me at msmollynd at gmail dot com.
Eureka Springs @ 54
He must not be black and young.
Where can we go to get answers to questions like:
Is it better to wash the dishes rather than use the dishwasher? I have seen the answer go each way.
If you need a car and have one that gets fairly good mileage when is it smart to get a new car that gets better mileage? Or how much does it cost the planet to create a new car?
Zip lock bags suck but where can you get glass containers of various sizes to replace them?
Is compost soil?
If we don’t change, and soon, we’ll be doomed. The righties will be screaming all the way down, “there’s no such thing as global warming, stop saying that!” Flipping idiots.
BTW, here’s a photo from the Portland FDL meetup today. LINKY
From left to right, RGB, TheOtherWA, Bustednuckles, Katymine, VictorLaszlo, and Oregon Dave.
CTuttle @ 52
They didn’t capitulate. They fucked us.
TheOtherWA @ 64
Dang, looks like DFHs, to me… ;-)
marymccurnin @ 65
correct.
TheOtherWA @ 64
I thought y’all were my age 15!!! Waaaaa…where are the cheetos??
OT..Murkasey:
First paragraph:
C&L
Damn..those phoney Adms and Gens keep stirring up trouble.
marymccurnin @ 63
I just heard (or read) that it is much better to use a commercial carwash than to wash your own car, in terms of water use, pollutants released into groundwater, etc.
LS @ 68
Hahahaha! Buch of damn DFH’s in a vegetarian restaurant. So there! :)
Pardon the OT:
Feingold will not support Mukasey:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/3/183754/078
karen allen @ 39
Keep me in mind too, please.
TheOtherWA @ 64
i didn’t know DFHs could be so serious.
probably plotting how to save the planet.
msmolly, connecting is why we have the threads!
please always feel free to plan pups’ local meet-ups on any thread from one of my posts….
madmommy @ 29
madmommy, you ask a great question.
I apologize for such a dismpowering post (solutions were just too much on such a long bugger)!
Laura, Toby, pb and CT all describe solutions we can personally do now.
I share their confidence that we can do this.
On a per person basis, air travel is the first thing I’ve cut back.
When you think of an average 10 tons of CO2 equivalent per person – that’s about one passenger’s “share” of a UK-Australia flight.
Per household?
Change our incandescent bulbs for LED (or next best) as possible and affordable.
Wrap water heater with (fireproof) insulation (or for those who can afford it, change to on-demand water heating.
Support the new Manhattan Project – building carbon-neutral infrastructure to replace our crubling fossil fuel-based infrastructure.
TheOtherWA @ 64
Whata buncha mugs!
kirk murphy @ 75
I built a graywater system for our garden even though it’s illegal!
I believe that the rebugs and their friendly demhoes know full well what is happening with this planet. They are getting their ducks in a row for their own survival. There is no reason to support a nation that will only limit them. They do not believe in community. They believe in the elimination of the weak. What they don’t understand it that they are the weak.
go raven!
greywater rocks.
can you tell us more about it and why it saves so much energy use?
kirk murphy @ 75
I have changed out nearly all of my incandescent bulbs for CFL bulbs. But I’ve just had my first burned out CFL bulb, and it has to be recycled — SOMEWHERE — not just thrown in the trash. This is going to be a big concern as we try to become more energy aware and efficient.
For almost 15 years I owned businesses based entirely on recycling.
My home heating is now entirely carbon neutral. About 5 years ago I went from daily driving in a Suburban to avg. once a week in a little toyota, reducing my gasoline consumption over 90 percent. I have managed to reduce my (landfill) garbage to under 15 pounds a month, usually much less. Allowed half of my country yard to go back to the woods instead of constantly mowing it.
A couple of years ago I helped a friend/neighbor build a wonderful home entirely off the grid.. Even the well is solar powered.
My house is to large, so I live on the south side in winter and north in Summer for the most part…. reducing climate control energy needs at least 40 percent.
raven @ 77
I’d like to hear more about this? I’ve long wanted to somehow divert water from the washing machines (although I do have one of those terribly efficient front loader washing machines now) and, well anything not from the toilets :-P but not sure how to go about it?? I’d also love to set up the gutters to collect rainwater (you know, the 0.5 inches we get per year) but again don’t know what the best thing is for storing & dispersing the water is, etc?
kirk murphy @ 79
My primary motivation is because of this horrible drought we are having here. Here’s the wiki rationale
tbis is pretty on topic as far as exponential growth and absolutely the most reiveting youtube I have seen to date
must watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..hp?t=91824
In Sacramento county we have recycle. It is so easy. We get three containers. One is green waste from the yard, one is recycle and the other is garbage. We don’t even have to separate the recycle. Maybe people could start encouraging this in their communities.
I was horrified to learn that my parents cannot recycle at all in Mississippi. There is no recycle outlet. Inlet?
OK, follow my link (on pb) to flickr, I put up one of the pix I took. The three in front: newton, mommybrain, old coastie. The ones in back: Loo Hoo, pb, demi and burnspesq *SMILE*
kirk murphy @ 76
On demand water heaters need to come way down in price.. We need socialized on demand water heaters!
mods, thanks for releasing my 58…too many linkies
wordpress is a hard place for nerds…
thanks to the mods for making it easier
The Most Important Organism?
Or what…
neokneme @ 90
algae
peanutbutter @ 82
I am fortunate in that my plumbing is in my basement and easy to get to. I spliced a 3/4 pvc into 4″ drain pipe and put in two shit off valves from the kitchen. I cut a hole in my concrete block foundation and ran the pipe into a 55 gallon drum with a spigot near the bottom. It is my understanding that you should not use kitchen water but bath and washing machine are ok.
I appreciate the ideas put forth here, and have implemented some of them already. Unfortunately parking the car is not an option. It is 16 miles round trip to the closest grocery via the Interstate, longer on 2 lane hiway with no bike path. With the kids factored in, just not a safe way to travel for me. The car is a fuel efficient one, and I combine trips so as not to drive more than I have to. There is absoloutely zero public transport of any kind outside of the metro New Orleans area, and that is spotty at best.
Our house is new, and well insulated. Unfortunately every light fixture with the exception of the bathrooms is a ceiling fan with a light kit. Fluorescents will not work due to vibrations, and I haven’t been able to find any info regarding LED’s and how they work with what I have. It seems a wash to me to take out the fans and get lamps, as the fans allow me to reduce the A/C significantly in the summer.
Since Katrina, curbside recycling has ceased. You can still collect recyclables but have to take them to the stations yourself, adding more driving as the stations are quite far from where I live.
Hence my sense of frustration and helplessness.
Programmable thermostats are a great way to cut energy usage, and aren’t expensive. The first winter I installed one it paid for itself within a couple months.
When it comes to appliances, which are all expensive, replacing them just to buy energy star rated ones is hard to justify unless the thing you’re replacing is really old. When my 70’s era brown refrigerator died (it came with the house) there was a small but noticeable drop in the monthly electric bill after the new fridge was in.
Do what you can, when you can. It all adds up.
Good evening and good post
How ’bout we start w/ the 3.3 million gallons we burn over in the middle east mash-up just another reason to say no more
madmommy @ 93
I’ve experimented with LED’s and my take on that is: give them a few more years — YUK. But I have been using fluorescent mini spiral bulbs in my cieling fans with no problems. In the past two years I have put fans in every single room in my house and it has made the summers much better. The mini spiral bulbs work just great.
My remaining issue is the dimmer lights. So far haven’t found good dimmer compatible CFL’s here :-P. I’ve stopped installing dimmers since I found that out.
Yep.
Right now we subsdize pumping huge amounts of water we can’t spare to grow cotton we don’t need where the irrigation poisons the ground in the west San Joaquin valley.
And DiFi wants to lavish thirty billion more of we the taxpayers’ Federal Bureau of Reclaiming water on the five hundred rich folks in the megafarm coprs that poisoned teh grond to start with.
We have billions to redirect to public (”socialized”) investment to replace water heaters, space heaters, rail lines, diesel engines…
We can do this.
@ 94 that’s 3.3 million gallons a day.Sorry
What if every car made by an American car company was a hybrid. We could lease Toyotas second generation Prius technology like Nissan does. Toyota won’t mind they got generation three in the works.
Instead of spending all this money on the war we could update all our car factories in America, Europe, China etc to produce only cars that get 40 mpg minium.
The price of oil would drop, Detroit would get back to work, housing prices in Detroit would stop droping helping Citicorp and Merril Lynch with all their mortgage paper droping in value. Bush 1’s precious Carlye group would get a boost.
Plus we would save the planet…and save our economy.
madmommy @ 92
Comfort yourself with this: you are doing all you can. Others of us may be able to do more: we are picking up the slack for what you can’t do. Take heart–you’ll find other ways or work with your community to create them. you are not alone. We are all together in this.
Q: What’s the difference between a national tragedy and a cow?
A: Giuliani doesn’t know how to milk a cow.
raven @ 92
I want shit off valves. I want, I want ;-)
Hm. 55 gallon drum. What are the elevation logistics? Can’t run outgoing pipes uphill, so where did you locate the drum relative to the basement?
And it would be cheaper than another ten years in Iraq.
VictorLaszlo @ 14
Good for you! I just got back from meeting up with demi and her hubby, peanut butter, newtonusr, burns, mommy brain, and old coastie. A great time!!! It’s so fun to learn the real names and put faces with them. A fantastic group!
peanutbutter @ 87
Can you please put the flikr link up here for those of us who aren’t facebooked?
Loo Hoo. @ 104
tell us more, tell us more
We need to do so much to our home to make it more efficient. But we cannot afford it. It took us two years to save to put new windows in. We need insulation in some of the walls and a new roof and a more efficient heater/ac. I actually thought about putting hay bales on the sides of the house. I don’t know what this would do in terms of bugs and mold. What is a person to do?
TeddySanFran @ 105
I just clicked on Peanutbutter and it went directly to flikr – it didn’t go through FB.
TeddySanFran @ 105
It is there — don’t click on the “f”, click on “peanutbutter” itself. Or, use this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pbatfdl
kirk murphy @ 97
What a minute! Bush just gave 15% of the water rights in Cali to 5 or 6 rich farm families. No wonder that demhoe Difi votes with the rebugs.
Loo Hoo. @ 104
Great pic(s) from Peanutbutter!
marymccurnin @ 107
If you are able, thoughtfully located trees planted will do a good deal in terms of cooling the house in the summer.
Anypeanutbutter @ 101
Yea, that’s where I am lucky in terms of “the lay of the land”. We are on a pretty steep slope so the plumbing is about 7 ft above the ground and I just put an elbow in and ran the 3/4 into the drum. Actually the local government gives away the drums and fittings as rain barrels so I just did some “field expediency”.
marymccurnin @ 107
Use straw bales.. critters don’t like straw and it wont burn. Not sure about doing this around an existing structure but straw bale homes are wonderful.. I know several folks who live in one and watched them build over the years. Can’t say enough good things about straw bale. Super deep window sills for plants.
peanutbutter @ 112
We have done that. SMUD (utility district) gives away free trees. We have put in three that are fairly large. And we put in an Empress Tree. They grow 25 in 3 years.
peanutbutter @ 109
What a bunch of DFHs! *g*
You guys look like you are having a blast. Thanks for sharing the photo!
I’m going to try pics tomorrow. I’m too tuckered right now. But it was so cool. Lots of discussion of California politics, general fuckery in our government, and some discussion about needing to remind ourselves that we are on the far left….can’t expect everything to work our the way we’d most prefer or as quickly as we’d like. We signed a get well card for Jane, and newtonusr impressed one and all with his computer knowledge. And (don’t tell Kirk) we ate too much!
Eureka Springs @ 114
I think it will work. We have a shed that is full on the side of the house were the afternoon sun hits. That room is much cooler. So insulation on the outside of the structure does work. I keep trying to figure out a viable insulation alternative that po folks can use.
Any report on Jane today?
Loo Hoo. @ 117
thanks Loo Hoo!
marymccurnin @ 115
A long arbor with vines on it during the summer that lose their leaves in the winter can also work.
And is Old Coastie’s pup ok?
marymccurnin @ 118
Oooh…maybe extend the shed if at all possible? Gain both insulation AND storage in one swoop? I love multiply useful solutions…
raven @ 119
She posted several times today…is staying with Howie Klein…sounds like her recovery from surgery is going well.
raven @ 122
She said the pup stopped scratching and stopped bouncing ;-)
marymccurnin @ 117
adobe
“Not sure about doing this around an existing structure but straw bale homes are wonderful..”
People out on the farms put bales of hay around their houses in the winter here in Iowa and have done so for decades. Just make sure that the bales cover the sill plate (the connection between the foundation and the wall of the house). Once spring comes along, you can compost it or use it as mulch.
LS @ 121
Wisteria.
(waving to kirk from backstage curtain)
another excellent post dr kirk – i remember when you were just another commenter, albeit one with really long comments on the threads (ducking)
off to get my magic mod powers for late nite
Loo Hoo. @ 116
Arghhh! Why didn’t we think to do a card for Jane? Damn. Good on the SoCal firepups for being way more on the ball than I am. That’s not hard to do, but whatever….
peanutbutter @ 124
Double good news!
raven @ 122
After the Benadr*l experience? Yes, she sounded like the doggies are fine.
speaking of energy savings, don’t forget we get an extra hour tonight!
christine @ 127
Hmm! THis could work nicely for the north side of my house, and taht’s really where it gets chilly. Critters don’t dig into the straw bales? (Straw being better than hay, I’m gathering?)
raven @ 119
Jane was up and around earlier here, here, and here.
Seems like she’s up to her own trouble-making, rabble-rousing self.
Wow, you guys had name tags!
Loo Hoo. @ 128
Gorgeous.
raven @ 136
I was impressed with that too.
marymccurnin @ 110
Holy shit.
Is that Westlands, or a whole new scam?
Jeebus, between DiFi and Shrub we’re gonna be selling our kids for water.
Oops – forgot – we’ve already doing that…
…. burning fuel for the massive CA water project….
that’s collapsing the Delta ecosystem 80% of CA residents depend on..
… for life.
TeddySanFran @ 134
Thx Teddy
Hey TSF!
Yep, she is exactly that! And, according to an email response I got earlier from Howie, Jane was talking up the Donna video on the phone! I am in heaven!
(waving to SoCal pups!)
hey all! while it was fun to see everyone and learn everybody’s real names… didja notice we were still calling each other by screen names…?
What a lovely bunch of people… and to think newtonsur drove all the way from SF! It was fun and I liked it!
LS @ 137
with wifi you could sit out there surfing the Lake
LS @ 136
They get all hysterical about wisteria around here because it’s so invasive but my bride doesn’t give a rats ass! It’s all over our porch.
Elliott @ 133
Not here in Hawaii… ;-)
selise @ 75
Yeah, I just look like a barrel of laughs, eh? It was a good time – honest!
At least RBG and TheOtherWA look happy. The rest of us, not so much.
raven @ 122
yes, the little girl is fine… applied all available methods and apparently one or all worked… and the redbull effect of the benedryl eventually abated – now she’s back to her normal, busy self…
peanutbutter @ 134
Straw is better than hay (and costs less). I really don’t know if critters dig into the straw. Mice might, but that would mean that they’re in the bales and not in the house. Out on the farms, there are critters of every type everywhere, so….. Although I do remember an Aunts’ hay loft being pretty dry, but dusty with all the bales of straw up there. I don’t recall any bugs either.
OldCoastie @ 146
Love was the major method!
VictorLaszlo @ 146
why? had you been moderated?
(ducks :)
Loo Hoo. @ 128
I adore wisteria. But it looks *dead* in the winter! My neighbor had a lovely wisteria when I moved in. That winter, I forgot about it, saw this dead mound of wood (it was on the side hill that we shared between our houses) and offered to help her clear it out. We had a good laugh over that one later.
Current neighbor built a concrete fence right across it. While I actually appreciate having the fence after all (he’s kind of obnoxious so the fact that the house can’t see into my house anymore is a good thing), it destroyed the wisteria.
Except this summer, I noticed some tendrils sprouting about. I have to think about where I want to train it. Wisteria’s really rather invasive if you don’t stay on top of it.
TeddySanFran @ 135
Excellent! Even a front page. Wow!
pb – the trick with straw is keeping it dry… usually it is encased in some sort of abode or stucco… otherwise wet it makes nasty mold.
christine @ 148
I just checked around online. Given my location, is $200 reasonable for 20 bales? Hmmmm…
raven @ 136
That was Old Coastie’s idea, and a good one. We also exchanged phone numbers and email addys just in case something comes up where we’ll need them.
peanutbutter @ 150
Ha, you should see the huge kudzu patch just beyond our property line. It’s just dying out now and it is just plain ugly brown vines until spring. On the other hand, we can see the whistle pigs when they come out and romp around!
Valley Girl @ 141
Your work is far and wide, dear.
AmericaBlog
Hullabaloo
OldCoastie @ 153
Hmmm… I’m not thinking permanent…I’m thinking stacked along the north side of the house for say Dec to Mar or so, then distributed as mulch in the flower/rose/garden beds….?
Wisteria never dies!
I read some where 1 pound of meat takes a gallon of petroleum,think about that before your next quarter pounder,
And how ‘ bout we shame the FUV’s off the roads.
According to our friends, the friends we spend $720 million a day on Iraq. Which in spending one day of the cost of this insanity we could provide 1,274,336 homes with renewable electric. Guns or butter right? For each frigging day…
you can duck but you can’t hide, kirk – i’ve got my mod powers now (wicked evil laugh)
i wish i cudda driven down with newton when he offered rides to any nor cal pups but i had a showing today….
TeddySanFran @ 157
It was on Kos too.
raven @ 156
Years ago I took my California-boyfriend with me on a trip to visit family in south Alabama. He was blown away by the kudzu, he thought it was really pretty and wanted to take some clippings home with him to plant in his yard. I didn’t know if it would grow at his place, but the mere idea of liking kudzu was a source of much amusement to the locals.
oh, Suzanne – you shoulda come!
isn’t that what your realtor is for?
Eureka Springs @ 159
he said wistfully?
new thread
Toby Wollin @ 59
All very valid concerns. But let’s take another look. Do you have kids? Do you buy them toys? Does your significant other use makeup?
If so you have problems a lot closer to home than buying or not buying a Prius. You may already be poisoning yourself and your family all the while thinking you are safe…..
You sure as hell are not……Crooks and Liars and me got bad news for ya. And I do think you will see your way clear to wanting to do something about it.
It’s a question of survival.
peanutbutter @ 154
YES!!!!! But will qualify that with depending up on the size of the bale. If it’s a standard (and I’m guessing) 18in x 18in x 2ft, yes, that’s a good price. That’s about 50 pounds per bale. IIRC the big round ton bales cost around $1,500 each around here.
TeddySanFran @ 157
Oh WOW! Thanks for the links, Teddy.
As I told Howie, I was thrilled that the video was useful.
To Howie: ~~I can’t tell you how much I enjoyed doing it. And, I learned something important in the process- I had to ask myself, what am I trying to accomplish here?
Well, make Donna Edwards look great, and make Al Wynn and Steny Hoyer look like the doofuses that they are! Not so difficult. ~~~
Years ago I took my California-boyfriend with me on a trip to visit family in south Alabama. He was blown away by the kudzu, he thought it was really pretty and wanted to take some clippings home with him to plant in his yard. I didn’t know if it would grow at his place, but the mere idea of liking kudzu was a source of much amusement to the locals.
It’s truly amazing. I have learned over the years that if you just mow on the border very week it stays back. The Japanese make a flour out of it. If only we could hybrid it with panama red!
VictorLaszlo
At least RBG and TheOtherWA look happy. The rest of us, not so much.
It was a blast! We talked nw politics, and some backstage stuff. The mods here rock! RGB is a hoot. Before this I knew there was a lot going on behind the scenes, but had no real idea how much.
New thread: Late Night: Wingnut Crap of the Week
Think Tank: Climate Affects Security
What better use for Five Million Acres?
Got Hemp?
Who could have imagined that growing hemp was both patriotic and climate-friendly?
christine @ 168
Yikes! Then I guess there’s the delivery issue. Don’t think I’m going to cram 20 of those suckers into a Honda CRV :-/
peanutbutter @ 174
Fold down the back seats and you should be able to get six in without much trouble. Ok, that’d be 3-4 trips, depending upon how far away the place is…… and enlist help from your friends!!!
msmolly @ 31
Most of us central Texas firepups who are going are going for the afternoon tomorrow. I’ve been in “therapy” today at the Austic Celtic Music Festival and will go again tomorrow evening. If there are any Celtic music fans out there, I heard the group “Patrick Street” today for the first time and they are awesome. And our own Scottish transplant in Austin, Ed Miller has a voice that melts me.
I’m sure you will talk about this, but one of my personal hobby-horses with reducing energy use/carbon emissions is how it has to be made possible at city/state/national levels. It’s not just something people can do all by themselves.
Aside from the class issue which has been mentioned, these measures have to be made accessible to people who are not fit and healthy. The elderly, people with disabilities, people with illnesses both chronic and acute, we all need to be able to participate.
I’d love to be able to ride my bike everywhere, but even when the weather would allow it, my health does not.
Our Sear’s catalogue came in, like, August. And I’d look at the pages with the electric football games – the ones that would vibrate and the palyers would all run around in circles. day after day.
I took the test for our carbon footprint and we are 40% or more below average Americans in all categories. That may still be too high.