I find myself a little bit depressed that the candidates aren’t hammering Bush and Cheney (for red meat reaction, if nothing else) the way the Republicans are going after Hillary.

I’m even more depressed that the Dem candidates are doing the same thing. What a travesty the last debate was. The candidates should have rebelled en masse at the way Russert set the whole thing up for a Hillary Clinton pile on. They should be ashamed…every one of them. They have the power to stop this sh*t cold, but instead play the role of gutless opportunists. It’s disgusting. I don’t care a lot for all the triangulation and corporatism. In fact, I hate it. But Clinton is the only one with any flipping dignity, IMHO.

I’m a mom of three, ages 22, 20 and 18. We aren’t the best or the brightest but I’m doing my best to give them all a college education. We have had many discussions about what a rotten deal their generation is going to inherit, no health care, endless and costly war, and the phony SS is broken scare to steal our SS surplus. So, my kids are country shopping to look for a better deal. If my kids can figure this out how are we going to keep the best and brightest here?

I know what you mean. My daughter is getting a PhD in biomedical research and actively country shopping too. So are my son and I. I predict a huge brain drain if something isn’t done soon to reverse the disastrous course of this beleagured nation. The way I’m feeling about now is the 28%’ers can have it. I have options. I don’t have to put up with this sh*t.

What depresses me is that we have so many good thinkers on the left and their ideas are not embraced by the dems. What a crying shame.

Yes many great thinkers and many dopey doers.

The crying shame is that Libs think they have WORKABLE ideas. Their ideas are lofty, socially acceptable, well meaning, self congratulating dreams. Not a recipe for efficiency, individual freedom, or LONG TERM economic growth

“How could they have possibly failed so miserably?’ I’d say they were manuevered into failure by Al Queada.

I don’t equate conservatism with govt failure, but I equate attacks on the Constitution with govt failure. If a foreign power wanted to ‘destroy America’, the only way is to break down our Constitution, triggering a cascade of foreign and domestic Iraq-style screw-ups. Americans will give up liberty for security. Will they give up American power for security?

Loss of freedom equals loss of American power. Do you think that idea (in the school system) could help to protect us from the Bush/Giuliani trajectory? We can always fight it out with Gingrichs/Reagans, but Rudy in wartime — that’s a quantum leap in danger.

Important new info: where the Repub marketing strategies are hatched…. as few Dems in office recognize the insideous and subversive success of the Right wing’s marketing tsunami, involving Pavlovian responses overcoming rational thought.

“All Gods creatures have a place in the choir” so maybe the erudite firepups can brainstorm some new tunes… to overcome the steady beat of the Repub marching bands.