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		<title>By: MRx</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IMPEACHMENT was an option a year ago. Pelosi should have been smacked down when she first said “Impeachment is not on the table.” But the Dems wanted an opportunity to try bipartisanship - HAH! FOOLS! The Democrats have wittingly or otherwise allowed things to deteriorate to this point. If the Congress couldn’t bring impeachment proceedings before now, with everything that Bush/Cheney have done, then Mukasey’s nomination isn’t anything beyond the pale of what Congress have already implicitly accepted/approved. I personally think you’re wasting your time pressuring Schumer, but I’m not an insider. If this might lead to impeachment, then I’d support it. But I suspect it won’t so I don’t. You won’t get a better nominee from Bush for AG than Mukasey in my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMPEACHMENT was an option a year ago. Pelosi should have been smacked down when she first said “Impeachment is not on the table.” But the Dems wanted an opportunity to try bipartisanship &#8211; HAH! FOOLS! The Democrats have wittingly or otherwise allowed things to deteriorate to this point. If the Congress couldn’t bring impeachment proceedings before now, with everything that Bush/Cheney have done, then Mukasey’s nomination isn’t anything beyond the pale of what Congress have already implicitly accepted/approved. I personally think you’re wasting your time pressuring Schumer, but I’m not an insider. If this might lead to impeachment, then I’d support it. But I suspect it won’t so I don’t. You won’t get a better nominee from Bush for AG than Mukasey in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Philadelphia Steve</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/02/president-temper-tantrum/#comment-1072668</link>
		<dc:creator>Philadelphia Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, why shouldn’t George W. bush not have a tantrum?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He is used to a rubber stamp Republican Congress and, while he can still control virtually all the actions of his Loyal Bushies in The Party, they cannot deliver unconditional, unquestioned results any more.  So the President is going to take his ball and go home.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, why shouldn’t George W. bush not have a tantrum?</p>
<p>He is used to a rubber stamp Republican Congress and, while he can still control virtually all the actions of his Loyal Bushies in The Party, they cannot deliver unconditional, unquestioned results any more.  So the President is going to take his ball and go home.</p>
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		<title>By: republicanSScareme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/02/president-temper-tantrum/#comment-1072590</link>
		<dc:creator>republicanSScareme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can everyone spell ‘psychopath’?  Why isn’t this man in a mental hospital?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can everyone spell ‘psychopath’?  Why isn’t this man in a mental hospital?</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Boosh acts like a fifth grader? He’s unable to admit failure or stupidity? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The answer must be to mainline Imitrex straight into the skull. Let the gibble jabble mix with the willy nilly, then you’ll find him going down the drain. Through the twists and turns, then you’ll come out doing the back stroke down the great, green, greasy Limbpopo River, if you know what I mean. Well, then everything will make sense. Especially as you give Laura a well-oiled and bemused grin. Her arms will wave and her gums will flap non-sensically as if they were tied by strings, just like Boosh, and being pulled by an unseen puppet master some where in the dankest recesses of some clandestine diabolical bunker, three miles below the low-tide mark, where scum sucking zygotes and lower forms of humanity hide their worthless asses from the light of reason and reality. But you will not be afraid of her or his madcapped gesticulations and giggling genuflections, for you are the annointed one. The one which has been annointing hiz sef’ all afternoon with the bubbly carbonated incantations of the Mead of the Druids. Some call it Breesky, some calls it Suds, you may even call for the Bud. Newts, salamanders, and mud puppies alike will all march past not only in astonishing formations (the judges liked what they saw!), but in impressive numbers, despite being dispirited over the lingering Korean black dog meat boycott still in effect. And that nasty, nasty stick of butter never materialized until it was time to retire for the evening.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boosh acts like a fifth grader? He’s unable to admit failure or stupidity? </p>
<p>The answer must be to mainline Imitrex straight into the skull. Let the gibble jabble mix with the willy nilly, then you’ll find him going down the drain. Through the twists and turns, then you’ll come out doing the back stroke down the great, green, greasy Limbpopo River, if you know what I mean. Well, then everything will make sense. Especially as you give Laura a well-oiled and bemused grin. Her arms will wave and her gums will flap non-sensically as if they were tied by strings, just like Boosh, and being pulled by an unseen puppet master some where in the dankest recesses of some clandestine diabolical bunker, three miles below the low-tide mark, where scum sucking zygotes and lower forms of humanity hide their worthless asses from the light of reason and reality. But you will not be afraid of her or his madcapped gesticulations and giggling genuflections, for you are the annointed one. The one which has been annointing hiz sef’ all afternoon with the bubbly carbonated incantations of the Mead of the Druids. Some call it Breesky, some calls it Suds, you may even call for the Bud. Newts, salamanders, and mud puppies alike will all march past not only in astonishing formations (the judges liked what they saw!), but in impressive numbers, despite being dispirited over the lingering Korean black dog meat boycott still in effect. And that nasty, nasty stick of butter never materialized until it was time to retire for the evening.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/02/president-temper-tantrum/#comment-1072539</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, check out those dead, cold eyes on that man! He hates the world with a cold fury. He could be a character ( along with his sidekick dead dick) in Marvel Comics with little actual artistic change to his face. He’s just become grayer, colder, deader, and more evil looking by the day. The only unfortunate thing is there’s no super hero to take him on, either in real life or the comics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, check out those dead, cold eyes on that man! He hates the world with a cold fury. He could be a character ( along with his sidekick dead dick) in Marvel Comics with little actual artistic change to his face. He’s just become grayer, colder, deader, and more evil looking by the day. The only unfortunate thing is there’s no super hero to take him on, either in real life or the comics.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about asking Mukasey if he considers the German Chair used in America’s gulags abroad to be torture?  Or is the use of a device not torture when it doesn’t break your spine?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about asking Mukasey if he considers the German Chair used in America’s gulags abroad to be torture?  Or is the use of a device not torture when it doesn’t break your spine?</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/02/president-temper-tantrum/#comment-1072393</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1072106&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scarecrow @ 102&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1072079&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheaprop @ 77&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Spot on! my straw stuffed friend&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good morning lhp.  I appreciated your clarification on the State Department “immunity” for Blackwater confusion. We still haven’t seen a credible explanation from Condi’s Crew.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One problem is that judges and juries also look at the issue of the “state of mind” of the individual who made the statement…did the really believe the individual gave them “immunity”. As far as I know, that issue has only been raised when the individuals were actually law enforcement officers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another point, even in immunity, only the individual involved is protected from prosecution based on THEIR OWN EVIDENCE. It does not protect them from prosecution based ON INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE given by another individual.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a standard weapon used by prosecutors. They get one person to turn against his colleague offering immunity from prosecution based on his statement, and then use the “fingered” colleague to turn against the initial confessor (also telling them…anything you say we won’t use against YOU). But they use what the other said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s only when one or more of those clam up when this gets to be a disappointing strategy to convict all of those involved. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of this relates to the famous “Prisoner’s Dilemma”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Usually lawyers will not allow their clients to “confess” unless they are also offered some protection against the testimony of others…not merely immunity from self-admission (unless they were the sole actor).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1072106"><em>Scarecrow @ 102</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1072079"><em>looseheaprop @ 77</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Spot on! my straw stuffed friend</p>
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<p>Good morning lhp.  I appreciated your clarification on the State Department “immunity” for Blackwater confusion. We still haven’t seen a credible explanation from Condi’s Crew.</p>
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<p>One problem is that judges and juries also look at the issue of the “state of mind” of the individual who made the statement…did the really believe the individual gave them “immunity”. As far as I know, that issue has only been raised when the individuals were actually law enforcement officers.</p>
<p>Another point, even in immunity, only the individual involved is protected from prosecution based on THEIR OWN EVIDENCE. It does not protect them from prosecution based ON INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE given by another individual.</p>
<p>This is a standard weapon used by prosecutors. They get one person to turn against his colleague offering immunity from prosecution based on his statement, and then use the “fingered” colleague to turn against the initial confessor (also telling them…anything you say we won’t use against YOU). But they use what the other said.</p>
<p>It’s only when one or more of those clam up when this gets to be a disappointing strategy to convict all of those involved. </p>
<p>All of this relates to the famous “Prisoner’s Dilemma”.</p>
<p>Usually lawyers will not allow their clients to “confess” unless they are also offered some protection against the testimony of others…not merely immunity from self-admission (unless they were the sole actor).</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/02/president-temper-tantrum/#comment-1072375</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1072160&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;eCAHNomics @ 155&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1072155&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 150&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It’s only torture if at least ten pounds of body tissue is dislodged from it’s normal position..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A new Jenny Craig weight loss program?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think some troll named Liberty Boy said last night that it was only torture if you decapitated them…so how much does a head weigh???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1072160"><em>eCAHNomics @ 155</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1072155"><em>rwcole @ 150</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It’s only torture if at least ten pounds of body tissue is dislodged from it’s normal position..</p>
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<p>A new Jenny Craig weight loss program?</p>
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<p>I think some troll named Liberty Boy said last night that it was only torture if you decapitated them…so how much does a head weigh???</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/02/president-temper-tantrum/#comment-1072356</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1072053&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;eCAHNomics @ 53&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Headline on rawstory: 30 senators warn Bush has no authority on Iran. He’ll interpret that as indicating that 70 senators say he does have authority.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wait until Obama’s Resolution goes down in flames. Bush will then assert that if this &lt;b&gt;Resolution&lt;/b&gt; stating that Lieberman-Kyl was not an authorization for military action failed , then it actually DOES grant him such authorization. Much more convincing than a letter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1072053"><em>eCAHNomics @ 53</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Headline on rawstory: 30 senators warn Bush has no authority on Iran. He’ll interpret that as indicating that 70 senators say he does have authority.</p>
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<p>Wait until Obama’s Resolution goes down in flames. Bush will then assert that if this <b>Resolution</b> stating that Lieberman-Kyl was not an authorization for military action failed , then it actually DOES grant him such authorization. Much more convincing than a letter.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/02/president-temper-tantrum/#comment-1072346</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1072047&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;STTP in Ohio @ 47&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Re: &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:Perris@41&quot;&gt;Perris@41&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I used to think impeachment was “off the table” by Pelosi since as Speaker she would become president if Darth and Bush were booted out; it would be easy for the repugs to make the case impeachment was self serving.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not so sure about that being her reasoning anymore.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But wouldn’t that have been the case in a situation where both the President and Veep were convicted…yet that is precisely what is allowed for in the Constitution in the order of succession. The Founders certainly knew that this was a possibility. In fact, in the early days of the Republic, the Vice President was the member of the opposition party. So clearly the Framers of the Constitution were aware that impeachment conviction&lt;b&gt;would&lt;/b&gt; lead to the shift of the Executive to the other party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The “check” on this is the fact that the House can only initiate the process. It does not DECIDE the factuality of the charges, and it requires a supermajority of those present to convict.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1072047"><em>STTP in Ohio @ 47</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Re: <a href="mailto:Perris@41">Perris@41</a></p>
<p>I used to think impeachment was “off the table” by Pelosi since as Speaker she would become president if Darth and Bush were booted out; it would be easy for the repugs to make the case impeachment was self serving.</p>
<p>I’m not so sure about that being her reasoning anymore.</p>
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<p>But wouldn’t that have been the case in a situation where both the President and Veep were convicted…yet that is precisely what is allowed for in the Constitution in the order of succession. The Founders certainly knew that this was a possibility. In fact, in the early days of the Republic, the Vice President was the member of the opposition party. So clearly the Framers of the Constitution were aware that impeachment conviction<b>would</b> lead to the shift of the Executive to the other party.</p>
<p>The “check” on this is the fact that the House can only initiate the process. It does not DECIDE the factuality of the charges, and it requires a supermajority of those present to convict.</p>
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