Our spoiled, adolescent President threw a temper tantrum yesterday, because, he claimed, Congress is not giving him everything he wants. He charged that anyone who disagrees with his policies is the same as those who sought to appease Hitler and coddle Stalin. But not one of his extremist statements is true.
In a speech to adoring fans at the American Heritage Foundation, Mr. Bush made the following statements:
“Unfortunately, on too many issues, some in Congress are behaving as if America is not at war, . . . This is no time for Congress to weaken the Department of Justice by denying it a strong and effective leader. . . . It’s no time for Congress to weaken our ability to intercept information from terrorists about potential attacks on the United States of America. And this is no time for Congress to hold back vital funding for our troops as they fight al-Qaida terrorists and radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq.”
Congress didn’t weaken the Justice Department. It was George Bush who installed his long-time crony, Alberto Gonzales, as Attorney General under whose corrupt and inept leadership the Department became deeply compromised. Despite repeated Congressional calls that Gonzales resign, it was Mr. Bush who stubbornly supported Gonzales as he and Bush’s senior political adviser Karl Rove politicized the US Attorneys, drove out experienced career attorneys and replaced them with party hacks, corrupted the Civil Rights/Voting Rights Sections, and compromised the Office of Legal Counsel. It was Bush and Cheney who insisted on surveillance procedures so unlawful they forced several senior DoJ officials — all conservative Republicans — to threaten to resign — which all of them eventually did.
After Gonzales’ corrupt tenure, Congress has a duty to demand that the next Attorney General be independent, honest and courageous enough to restore DoJ’s independence and integrity. Unfortunately, it now appears the man Bush nominated for Attorney General has already been compromised trying to obscure torture practices Bush ordered. Bush will not nominate anyone likely to find the President’s actions unlawful, and no nominee unwilling to consider these matters honestly should be confirmed as Attorney General. Bush, not Congress, is responsible for that awful dilemma.
Nor has Congress weakened the nation’s ability to conduct foreign surveillance. Even before Congress amended it last August, the FISA fully authorized the US to spy on all electronic communications in and out of the US, provided the surveillance occurred under a warrant obtained from the secret FISA court, either before or after the fact if time were short. When the Administration claimed it needed relief from the warrant requirement for purely foreign-to-foreign communications routed through US telecommunication facilities, the Congress gave that power — and much more. In its zeal (or panic) Congress gave the executive far more authority than it needs or is Constitutional.
The charge that Congress is insufficiently focused on our wars is incomprehensible; they’ve talked of little else since 2003, particularly the Administration’s intelligence deceptions and gross mismanagement.
Mr. Bush also lied when he charged Congress with failing to provide adequate funding for US troops. In six years of war, Congress hasn’t denied a single war funding request. Nor are there any plans by Congressional leaders to deny necessary funds in the future, although funding may be authorized in segments.
President Bush simply lied on every point. He’s behaving like a spoiled, petulant adolescent, blaming everyone but himself for his own failures and in denial about the wreckage caused by his own policies. Without impeachment, there is little the country can do about such childish behavior.
America is stumbling along with a severely dysfunctional government. We have an incompetent, dishonest, and lawless Administration led by a deeply flawed President and war-crazed VP. We do not always have a working majority of responsible adults in Congress, and there are only scattered individuals within the executive with whom Congress can work on a cooperative basis. The country senses the crisis and is deeply dissatisfied with its government and the direction the country is heading.
Without a veto-proof majority, nothing worthwhile can be accomplished until his Administration is removed from office. Congress has an obligation to try to keep the government working as best it can until this horror of a Presidency ends; they have an obligation to prevent the Administration from starting another war and doing any further harm to the country, its allies and its interests. The current leadership may not be up to this unprecedented task, but it’s all we’ve got for now.
Until 2008, Congress has no reason to accede to any of this President’s demands regarding Mukasey or to give in to his petulance, fear-mongering and bullying. On any requests that are not absolutely essential, they should just say no.
UPDATE: Various comments suggest Chuck Schumer might want to hear from us about Mukasey. Here are the numbers to call: (202) 224-6542 or (212) 486-4430. (h/t jayackroyd)
Responses to Bush speech from Speaker Pelosi and Senator Clinton.
Photo: Bush speaks to Heritage Foundation, November 1; AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais
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Good morning, Scarecrow.
-MS
from epu land
Morning all….
I had a long phone conversation with the husband, who is on a stop on his trip back to NZ. He was at the Navy Sere (spelled right?) school in the late 60’s, I believe, and he was waterboarded there. He thinks that, rather than pontificating, the voting Senators and the Attny General nominee should volunteer to have the Navy “simulate” waterboarding them. They can be safe in the knowledge that they will not drown and that it is all supervised properly. There is no doubt in his mind that it is torture and he still has a shudder in his voice in recalling it after almost forty years.
(This is one of many things that he has never discussed much until now. He is filled with disgust that it is even debatable.)
Good morning scarecrow :)
Wonderful post as usual…
Caw, caw! Hey Scarecrow.
Fixed it for you.
SC!
Will GWB be the frist prez to break 20% in the polls?
Morning, Scarecrow.
To George W. Bush:
Blow it out your ass.
If you were really serious about the war on terror, you’d resign and give yourself up to be tried for war crimes.
““Unfortunately, on too many issues, some in Congress are behaving as if America is not at war”
It’s important to keep in mind that America is NOT at war! Wars are declared by Congress – talk about temper tantrums. This one will cost us long and dearly.
-MS
g’morning firedogs and thanx scarecrow for another early post
I haven’t read it yet so I don’t know if this link is in the body but talk about temper tantrums;
they better not cave, this president gets everything he wants and he is the most inept president in history
what’s wrong with those two in the same sentence
“gets everything he wants” and
“the most inept in history”
all he does is damage this country and it’s about time he was put in his place, he is not the country, he is not the boss of congress, congress is the boss of him
Michael in Park Slope @ 8
hear hear!
Anytime Bush speaks, I just hear “Blah Blah Blah….lies…whining about Congress” I totally tune him out and don’t expect him to say anything worthwhile. In fact I am still surprised that people bother to report the things that he says at these press conferences. I cannot think of anything more boring except watching dust gather on the pumpkin on my desk. I assume everyone else here feels similarly
Do you know of anyone who is not on progressive blogs that actually listens and cares about what Bush says? Do people actually listen to his weekly radio address or whatever?
“Unfortunately, on too many issues, some in Congress are behaving as if America is not at war”
Er, actually, Heritage is at war. Along with AEI and the lot of them.
We need to sterilize their interns.
More spoiled, petulant adolescent behavior: Bush: No attorney general if not Mukasey
“That would guarantee that America would have no attorney general during this time of war,” the president said.
NZ Expat, now in KS @ 2
Dear NZ:
Give your hubby a hug from us! And thanks for sharing.
twolf1 @ 13
Wow, so finding AG candidates that think waterboarding is torture is that difficult, George?
Other than the idea that the president can just goto war is the AUMF the only piece of legislation empowering this idiocy?
tw3k @ 10
that’s right, WE are not at war we are at an OCCUPATION
we are doing battle with a country that they knew posed no threat, that they knew would destabalizze the entire planet, that they knew would fuel terrorism
this is his war, they knew these things would happen and they invited them
told we would be opening the gates of hell, and now that he caused the damage he thinks that gives him license to continue to cuase ever MORE damage?
this is just bizzare, every single thing he has done has put us in more danger, congress has GOT to stop letting this guy make decisions
It’s not fair, it’s not fair!
Bush, Defending Justice Nominee, Sees Unfairness
Good morning Scarecrow.
The problem is that this Congress will do nothing to curb the WH bas**rd. Yes he is mentally ill, yes he is petulant, yes he is very, very dangerous, yes he loves the strut of war, yes he has a megalomaniacal VP, yes he has shredded the Constitution, yes he should be impeached and incarcerated but no it aint gonna happen. This Congress is “led” by people in the pay of the defense industry and they are making mucho dollars and they do not give one whig about young Americans being killed or Iraqis being murdered by bush & co.
egregious @ 5
Probably better. Good morning everyone.
There’s a front page lead NYT story this a.m. about Barack Obama, who discusses his proposals for dealing with Iran with reporters Michael Gordon and Jeff Zeleny.
You’ll note that in the letter 30 Dem Senators just sent to Bush saying he has to come back for authorization before attacking Iran, Hillary Clinton is one of the signers, but Obama refused to sign. But he comes right back with his Time’s interview. The ball is now in Hillary’s court.
The letter is part of the context in which Bush was reacting — this notion that he can’t do what he wants without getting permission — that’s something that would set off a spoiled brat.
perris @ 17
he seriously needs the keys taken away!
Those who give Bush what he wants are the same as those who appeased Hitler and coddle Stalin.
twolf1 @ 18
This guy is “applying” for a job that he knows nothing about? What kind of crap is that.
twolf1 @ 13
Yep — another great quote filled with dishonesty. In essence is says: “Unless we refuse to denounce torture, we can’t run the Justice Department.”
YAY!!
You wrote, “Mr. Bush . . . lied . . .”.
Congratulations. I think this is a first-time in print and it’s about time.
A headline on a ‘net newspage yesterday read:
“President accuses congress of being in denial about the war.”
And if anyone was wondering just how rabid-assed-crazy this has gotten, that should define it nicely.
Fairfax @ 25
You must be new here?
realworld @ 22
he is running this government and aquireing power EXACTLY the way hitler did it
the friggin “patriot act” is just about plaguerized from hitler’s “enabling act”
it’s bizzare we are allowing this to happen, we have a historical template on what he is doing and we are apeasing him every single step
There will never ever be another impeachment. If the bar is set so low for high crimes and misdemeanors, it is the end of our Constitution as we have known it.
Tristero has an interesting insight into raisin brain and torture.
With Blackwater taking up posts around the country—Mexican and Canadian borders, CA, and who knows where else, I fear for what is to come next November. Somehow I have little confidence that it will be a sea change election bringing in the good guys to rescue us.
Fairfax @ 25
There are 3,150,000 Google citations for Bush ‘plus’ lie
And Christ-in-a-Humvee, is it too much to ask that Pelosi or one of the democratic candidates take a quickie standup-comedy course so they can call a press conference and rip this bullshit to shreds by simply reciting the litany of bloody-assed lies and distortions that for the past 7 years have been brewed up in the koolaid factory we call the white house?
*$&^%(#^&(**!!!
twolf1 @ 18
More dishonesty. Mukasey wasn’t asked about “a program or techniques of a program.” He was asked about the well known (centuries) practice of waterboarding. What could possibly be unfair about asking whether a technique to extort false confessions that was used by the Spanish Inquisition and every other bloody regime for hundreds of years is “torture.”
And Congress did not make this an issue. Bush did, by condoning it, concealing it, secretly reauthorizing it, defending it, denying it.
Bush knows he’s on trial before the public, and his best defense is, “Mukasey doesn’t know the details of how we do it.”
RevDeb @ 29
I think you meant “the bar is set so HIGH”
-MS
Sorry. Sorta newbie. I’m just not at all used to seeing a lie called a lie in print here in Washington.
Scarecrow @ 27
RevDeb @ 29
I think what the American People need to understand is that WE need to rescue us. Waiting for the next election, when somehow “they” will just “go away” and not bother us anymore is just not going to work.
The good news (it is good only in the sense that when you are falling from the 65th floor it’s good that you are only passing by the 35th floor), is that every time he opens his mouth, support for his position falls even. He paved the way with his ’save social security’ campaign.
I have not had a chance to check any of the Late Night FDL – is there any news on Jane?
Fairfax @ 34
Welcome to Firedoglake, where calling out lies is common. I’m in Boston, and we can say “lie” here. We also dump tea into bays.
AndrewOG @ 11
Unfortunately, yes. A truly sobering fact is that he holds about a 68% approval rating among Repug’s.
Strong employment report up 166,000, double consensus.
August revised up by 4000, September revised down by 14000, so net influence of revisions is modestly negative, more than offset by big # for October.
Analysis: Employment is a lagging idicator, and the big gains were in services. Retail & manufacturing employment declined. Finance industry employment performed better than it will in the future. Employment will weaken in coming months, but good for now.
RevDeb @ 29
what the HELL is up with pelosi?
there is NO WAY she could imagine a president more in need of impeachment then this man
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
I fear pelosi is either bought or blackmailed
bought meaning she might have been offered a place in the new order when they suspend elections of blackmailed from the information gathered without warrants
the president is claiming he can super cede any law, by any request, that there is no law that binds him
there is NO WAY they are going to allow a democrat to have that power, no FRIGGIN way they are going to allow hilary to have that power
and make no mistake about it, they KNOW their chances of winning in the next election are almost zero
they have something going on, they either know they will be able to pull off ballot flipping or they know a “catastrophu” will give them a reason to suspend congress, to suspend elections.
follow here;
suppose congress DID initiate articles of impeachment;
do you realize the president says he can just alter that law, that he is not bound by it?
this is a fact, his aids have already testified to that opinion
this has got to get done, we have got to get impeachment initiated
Toby Wollin @ 35
That’s about right.
The Mukasey decision is the true crunch time. If he is turned down (please, please make it so Senator Schumer!)it will be the moral equivalent of impeachment. It will smoke Bush and possibly even Cheney out into the open where they will have to defend waterboarding, and admit they did it. It will send the appropriate signal to government officials that not all orders are executable — in particular, those that violate law and the Constitution.
Defeating this nomination is the sine qua non for the (doubtful) restoration of our Constitutional Republic.
perris @ 41
Charlie Savage, author of Imperial Presidency, was on Washington Journal last week. He is a reporter who lives inside the Beltway. He was absolutely astonished when he went on his book tour to find that the country was talking about impeachment, as there’s absolutely NO talk of it in DC. Talk about bubbles, but that’s where Pelosi lives & works.
perris @ 41 says:
“suppose congress DID initiate articles of impeachment;
do you realize the president says he can just alter that law, that he is not bound by it?
this is a fact, his aids have already testified to that opinion”
Respectfully, I do not believe this. My reason is my faith in the American people, which is to say, America! We would not stand for this – not the most red of the red-staters.
I also have to believe this; to not do so would be to yield to hopelessness. Ask yourself: would YOU stand for it? I doubt it, and I certainly wouldn’t.
What say others?
-MS
RevDeb — don’t worry about impeachment. I’m certain that if Clinton becomes Prez, the crazies will try to impeach her. It serves two purposes: (1) keeps the Dems distracted and (2) discredits impeachment for next time they get in.
When the history of this era is written, I suspect historians will find the decision to take impeachment off the table to be one of the most egregious political blunders of our generation.
We can keep nuking Iran on the table, because (as Glenn G would say) that’s what Serious people do, but impeachment for defending our own Constitution from massive assault is off, for the same reason. Insane priorities.
Re: Perris@41
I used to think impeachment was “off the table” by Pelosi since as Speaker she would become president if Darth and Bush were booted out; it would be easy for the repugs to make the case impeachment was self serving.
I’m not so sure about that being her reasoning anymore.
Toby Wollin @ 37
Word was she is doing good!
tw3k @ 48
Jane has been travelling and may check in later today. She’s well.
Scarecrow @ 46
This just makes me insane. I don’t know what we all can do short of storming the bastille with several million of us all at once.
It’s impossible to understand how rational congress critters continue to let all this criminality go on. The easy answer is that they are dazed by power and don’t want to rock the boat, or are afraid of being destroyed by the powerful inertia of the Beltway conventional wisdom.
There is a lot of denial or cognitive dissonance going on down there. But then there is the MSM which is both a stenographer and a cheerleader for this shit. These critters look around them and must think… this is how it is. You get with the program.
I have lost faith in this government. It has been perverted by the influence of money and worships at the alter of power and access to power. All this has so little to do with the needs of the people of this nation… most of the people. Some of the people are being very well served by this government.
While I don’t think we should give up and stop trying to turn this around, I don’t think pressing the conscience buttons of congress critters is going to get the job down. We ned more intimidation, as in direct action, strikes and so forth, where the people en masse assert their power.
And of course collapse might be the way out of this mess. Let it all come crashing down, lots more pain, but perhaps some sensible people can raise america back up from the ashes. There’s so much that has gone wrong, so much wrong thinking like the “new American century”, globalism… market based solutions and unfettered free market transnational capitalism. People around the world are being hurt by THIS america, and the planet is being trashed in the process. But if you look at the top end, the wealthy sector, they have never had it so good.
Perhaps the death spiral is the only way out of this. If not it looks like it will keep going (as it has) from bad to worse… to worser.
We’re bad, we’re bad, we’re really bad.
Scarecrow @ 49
Good news, thanks!
Headline on rawstory: 30 senators warn Bush has no authority on Iran. He’ll interpret that as indicating that 70 senators say he does have authority.
Michael in Park Slope @ 45
I would have said the same thing before we got to THIS point though, we are in battered wife syndrome
Scarecrow @ 20
that’s an excellent point i hadn’t thought of. do you think that was senator obama’s reason for not signing?
i remember some one – was it justin frank? – warning us that bush could be unintentionally provoked into attacking iran, just to prove that no one could tell him not to.
And our stupid, fearful Dem leadership should be trumpeting this from the rooftops. Wait, what’s that I hear??? Oh, another letter of admonition to Bush about Iran. We know how well the dictator tot responds to those. Sweet Jesus.
selise @ 55
It scares the cr*p out me to realize that I have more faith in the military to stop this than I do in Congress or the rest of the govt. I hope that at least that faith is not misplaced.
Scarecrow @ 49
TRAVELING? The woman has surgery and is traveling?
I’ve got to meet this person and touch her and hopefully get some of “that” – when I have my surgery later this month, I have it all planned out to have myself installed in a recliner and the only moving part is going to be my thumb on the remote *g*.
I know this is supposed to be a marathon and not a sprint. But if the race course is destroyed from under our feet, how are we supposed to run it? (stretching the metaphor a bit far ;-)
Some State Dept officials stood up to these creeps. What we need to do is have citizens from top to bottom, left to right stand up and declare no more of this bull shit.
Are we numb? frightened? despondent? Why are the american people just going along with all this shit? Why are they going to work? To school? To the army? Doesn’t this mean that they accept this?
Do we have to wait for elections and then hope for a better more principled government?
We have a fascist government.
RevDeb @ 57
I never thought I would see the day that I would hope for a military intervention to remove a sitting president. If Pelosi won’t initiate at least an Inquiry of Impeachment, I think that might be the only thing that will stop this madman from setting fire to the ruins of what used to be our country.
Scarecrow @ 32
I do think this is worth a two or three sentence LTE to the NYT, letters@nytimes.com, noting that there is no briefing required to answer a question regarding a method of torture that is well documented since at least the Inquisition.
Also, a note to the public editor, public@nytimes.com asking why Stohlberg did not point this out in her article, would be a good thing to do too.
The latter might refer to today’s columnn by Paul Krugman:
Krugman is talking about Republicans lying about health care issues, but it’s the same thing. Stohlberg could easily have made the simple statement that the questions asked by the committee do not refer to the CIA program. There’d be no requirement to add a snarky “But if the president thinks the shoe fits here….”
And while I’m making suggestions for morning activities, don’t forget to talk to Chuck. (202) 224-6542
Let him know that while it would be embarassing to have to withdraw his support from Mukasey, it would be at least as embarrassing to be the deciding vote sending Mukasey out of committee. Oh, and if his staffer tells you that they are taking “a tally,” you might ask what torture techniques would not warrant a tally in making up the Senator’s mind about what is right, and what is wrong. Resist the temptation to refer to Holocaust when asking this question.
eCAHNomics @ 53
lol, get out of head!
False flag scenarios are already in the oven.
Bush doesn’t have to sell this war. Patriotism can always be called on to provide irrational support for machismo.
Has GWB had a psychiatric evaluation? He really seems like he is out to lunch. Doesn’t he?
SanderO @ 60
We do indeed encompassing ALL branches.
SanderO @ 60
Juan Cole is asking that we all stand up and support these State Department employees. He thinks it might be the only way that we can begin to end this misbegotten travesty in Iraq. If we could close the existing embassy in Baghdad it would be an important step.
Another top lawyer resigns from Cheney’s office.
twolf1 @ 13
This, by the way, is the result of taking impeachment off the table. The Senate’s confirmation power has also been removed. Bush will stop nominating people to positions that require confirmation entirely, leaving the government to be run by unconfirmed interim appointments.
Keep in mind that a petulant response from the administration to a rejection of Mukasey could well be an interim appointment that is completely beyond the pale.
What does the Senate do then?
egregious @ 67
We won’t be happy until Addington goes. Not holding my breath.
egregious @ 67
a Coffin leaves Cheney’s office!
jayackroyd @ 62
from Think Progress:
And how is condoning torture putting the rule of law first?????
tw3k @ 70
Empty, unfortunately.
eCAHNomics @ 53
well, the house voted on it last spring (saying that bush should go to congress before attacking iran), and it failed badly – 136 to 288 (with 100 dems voting no).
so i expect bush has known for a while it’s not a problem with the majority of congress.
jayackroyd @ 68
*crickets*
tw3k @ 70
Too bad it doesn’t have the Dark Lord in it with a stake through his pacemaker.
eCAHNomics @ 40
well, atrios got spanked. But he always takes the under….
Spot on! my straw stuffed friend
Another one of my Halloween scenarios is that the GOP will pull Jeb out of their ass at the convention, and pair him with Betrayus.
And then the ususal cheat, cheat, cheat with a terror threat or two thrown in.
And Bob’s your uncle.
Just to put things in perspective: the 1940 Axis had a GDP 77% of the US GDP. The 1960 and 1980 editions of the USSR had GDPs about 40% of the US GDP. Iran, pre-war Iraq, and North Korea–combined–have a GDP about 4% of the US GDP.
GDP is a crude measure of the relative threat level, but a hell of a lot less crude than “because my speechwriter named it an Axis of Evil!”
RevDeb @ 57
congress could give a helping hand to the military with resolutions or even begining an impeachment inquiry – but they are pointedly not doing so. very bad.
From ThinkProgress:
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said he is “weighing” whether to support the Mukasey nomination. “No nominee from this administration will agree with us on things like torture and wiretapping,” Schumer explained. “The best we can expect is somebody who will depoliticize the Justice Department and put rule of law first.”
Yeah, Chuck, just keep spinning!
RevDeb @ 74
We already have an interim apppointment that is beyond the pale. What’s your point? Right now (except for little pocket like USAO NDIL) DOJ is DOA
RevDeb @ 59
cross country.
And again, Bush plays the Dems like a fiddle, Have you noticed that Bush is getting everything that he wants everytime? The Dems rattle their cages and say this, that and the next thing….Bush stays the course he is on and slaps them down in a manner such as this. It absolutely cracks me up. About the only thing I can think that Bush has backed down on is the Immigration Mess which he has apparently changed his tune on.
I hope you all remember how your fellow Dems have failed time and time again when the next elections arise. I am not asking that you vote republican, I am just saying remember this when looking at Nanci Pelosi’s name before knocking out that chad.
Even though I don’t agree with most of what is on these posts, I admire how most of you stand by your beliefs. I guess that is what makes this country great :] .
eCAHNomics @ 72
No, it was full of shit.
revdeb
on the thinkprogress “weighing” quote, that also appears in a NYT article this morning about rocks and hard places for Schumer. And a few snarky between the lines comments on how much his fellow senators are enjoying seeing a suddenly camera shy Chuck.
Still, those of us here in NY do need to talk to Chuck’s office today.
jayackroyd @ 76
Revisions of late have been pretty substantial. Don’t settle up the bet until December…
twolf1 @ 84
Only half full. The rest of it is in the Oval Office.
RevDeb @ 50
Blogs are the modern day equivalent. It’s quite possible the next revolution will be bloodless, and deeply democratic.
looseheaprop @ 77
“Here. And take it with you.”
My sister insists that all critical moments in one’s life can be resolved by contemplating the script to the Wizard of Oz.
jayackroyd @ 85
Funny thing about Chuck and the camera— I just noticed that I haven’t seen his mug in a while.
And please NYers keep those phone lines and faxes humming. That goes for the rest of us too! He represents us all on that committee.
jayackroyd @ 76
Having spent 30 years forecasting U.S. GDP, I’ve learned that it takes a lot of negatives to put the economy down. And it takes a lot longer than you think. I always get amused at casual forecasters who look at all the bad stuff and assume the worst, and right NOW.
RevDeb @ 59
Does Louboutin make mountain boots?
RevDeb @ 75
better stake that thing he prolly has a detonator attacked to it!
RevDeb @ 75
Guys, don’t make anything of this. The same thing was happening to Clinton and Gore in their final years. The attitude is they have their resume updated, so lets go make some real money in the private sector.
kdh22 @ 81
He’s mine. I called & sent email yesterday. Will do so again on Monday. Said that the Q he needs to ask himself is: if waterboarding were done to a U.S. soldier, would it be torture. Everyone please & write hiim often. He introduced Mukasey, so he’s the key. (202) 224-6542 or (212) 486-4430.
tw3k @ 93
What’s ‘Prolly’ ?? Is that some of that ebonics stuff, or just a indication of how our education system has succeeded.
looseheaprop @ 82
My point is that the only remedy for this is impeachment. Bush cannot appoint an AG who will enforce the law as written. If the Senate will not continue its supine ways over this issue, then we are in Kagro X land–no AG.
But what that really means is no confirmed AG. And, IMO, no more nominations. No more confirmation. No more checks on political appointments for another 15 months.
That seems like a bad thing to me. But, with impeachment off the table….
RevDeb, regarding impeachment, take heart.
If the mid-summer polls show a democratic tsunami developing, which is to say, if the dems are not so stupid as to nominate Clinton, then there is an excellent chance that the Goldwater SWAT team will muster up and, first, roust Cheyney out of the Executive Office building, and after a decent but short interval, do the same for bush-goatboy.
At which point Richard Lugar, who’s been studiously staying above, or below, the fray, may well become the caretaker prez.
The republicans, unlike our side, are not sentimental when they’re looking at being consigned to the political shithouse for a decade or two.
jayackroyd @ 85
Absolutely. This is one of the defining moments when we’ve got a lot on our side. Letting Mukasey Bush off the hook on this one will seriously damage the Democrats, and although Schumer undoubtedly knows this, it doesn’t hurt to pound it in. And Bush did himself no favors yesterday by trying to play the “soft on terror” card as a way to influence Schumer.
The Bush Admin hates the fact that the public is being told, night after night, that this is about torture and whether Bush’s AG will hold Bush accountable for ordering torture. Keep the pressure on.
jayackroyd @ 62
when i called yesterday i was assured that senator schumer did not know of mukasey’s position on torture when he recommended him for the job.
seems like a good “out” for saving face.
looseheaprop @ 77
Good morning lhp. I appreciated your clarification on the State Department “immunity” for Blackwater confusion. We still haven’t seen a credible explanation from Condi’s Crew.
Well, I just called Sen. Schumer’s office. I got to speak to a staffer and told him that I lived in Park Slope, where Schumer has a residence. I asked him if I could be the first to tell OUR neighbors that the senator would be withdrawing his support from the Mukasey nomination.
Predictably, the staffer said he would forward my message, and added that the senator had not yet made up his mind.
Did ask for my zip code, ‘tho; thought that was interesting.
-MS
We’ve got both the monetary and fiscal policy pedals to the metal and the economy is clicking off threes (percent increases).
Fed tried to ease up just a bit on monetary stimulus but the engine started to cough- so we’re back to full throttle.
Eventually that means inflation- and correction- but perhaps not until after his MBAness is out of office.
eCAHNomics @ 94
IMO Shumer 1) was played masterfully by BushCo, or 2) was a willing participant in the Mukasey plant.
Either scenario plays into his recent withdrawl from in front of the cameras.
Called Schumer again & told nice man who answered phone that Schumer was hallucinating if he thought that Mukasey would depoliticize DOJ-that he was under same pressure not to do that as he was to abandon war crimes & civil rights.
eCAHNomics @ 91
this was a throwaway joke that has gotten out of hand. atrios always takes the under–it’s a way of remarking on the reliability of these pre-release forecasts. The GDP figures are never really settled until at least 2 quarters out. But, as an economist I used to work for liked to say: “Forecast often.”
jayackroyd @ 68
my preference would be for them to join code pink for a sit in at speaker pelosi’s office.
Bush has the resident fascist who he named acting AG and he’s willing to ride out the string with him- so the choices are to let him do that or approve another fascist.
Vegas odds on impeachement are one in fifty one trillion.
selise @ 98
Thanks selise!! I’ll use that when I call today.
Are you on the netroots NY google mailing list? That’s still active. If you aren’t instate or otherwise not on the list, do you mind if I pass that on?
Scarecrow @ 88
if it’s to be deeply democratic, then we have to have nation-wide free wifi and a laptop in every pot. or something. *g*
It would be nice to see senate dems pick just one fight and WIN it-
Kurt @ 96
No child left behind…
selise @ 105
lol!
Bush will just send a cute Moron Macro in response to the senators’ latest letter of admonition:
O HAI. IM IN YR WHT HOUZ SHREDDIN YR CONSTITUTION. FKU. KBAI.
Of course, if we have Clinton and Giuliani running neck-and-neck, there won’t be any incentive for the republicans to do ANYTHING.
They will just sit there and giggle with childish joy at their good fortune, in this election, of all elections, from our handing them the scintillating chance to hang onto power by our nominating Clinton, when we should have run them so far back into the political wilderness that they have to be fed with a slingshot.
I was thinking of this image last night: It’s as if this administration, through its crimes, pretzel logic, and bungling has created a strange-shaped pigeon hole, into which any AG nominee must be crammed. It is a hole that does not match the Constitution. Thus, the administration has so botched the whole process here, that no self-respecting, law-upholding man of conscience can possibly “fit” that unnatural pigeon hole AND be confirmed, UNLESS the Senators themselves betray their own oaths of office.
As for the temper tantrum, click my name for a “short story” posted yesterday at tpm cafe.
twolf1 @ 110
lol, missed that comment! gamer slang.
The Clusterfuck presidency is- to steal a phrase- in it’s death throes. It’s messy and loud—He will not go quietly into that good night.
jayackroyd @ 107
Thanks selise!! I’ll use that when I call today.
Are you on the netroots NY google mailing list? That’s still active. If you aren’t instate or otherwise not on the list, do you mind if I pass that on?
i’m in MA and not on your list. please use anything that you think could be useful.
We’ve got a fuckin two year old in the White House screamin for more candy or he’s gonna hold his breath an turn blue—-I can’t imagine a more embarrassing spectacle than this spoiled piece of shit giving his whiney speech to the fascist society.
NZ Expat, now in KS @ 2
I think I got this link from a comment here yesterday, but it is an incredible statement on this subject. Warning: graphic. Written by someone with experience related to your husband’s. I wish I could force every member of congress to read it, especially before voting on Mukasey.
selise @ 111
Blogger stew? FDL soup? Hash with Links & Threads?
Many commentaters were good enough to reproduce Clusterfuck’s argument piece by piece and point out that it makes NO FUCKIN SENSE.
If this clown says that waterboarding is torture- then he’s sayin that the president of the United States is a criminal. He ain’t a gonna do that- and neither will ANY nominee.
rwcole @ 107
I would rather an ag we didn’t approve then one we did who we know condones the practices of torture
we have to show we dissaprove, once we allow the ag we are almost allowing his opinion to be accepted
Bloodless blogger revolutionaries—rise up- you have nothing to lose but your mice!
Brings terror to the hearts of the wicked.
Perris
I agree
I would like everyone to make note of exactly what the president is saying here;
he’s saying “nobody could pass the test this congress is setting”
in other words, he’s saying if the applicant doesn’t approve water torture the president isn’t submitting him
I think we missed that but that’s exactly what he’s saying
perris @ 129
Which is an admission of guilt.
Glenn Greenwald this morning:
Cheney says:
“We don’t torture –and we get a lot of valuable information by doing it”.
perris @ 126
Think that’s been apparent for some time, and the only ones who missed it is MSM.
Wow, some speech writer. All they have left in their word coffer is to pull a Godwin’s Law? Sad, considering the audience…Repeating Dems equal fear, fear, fear is an old line. Have the speech writers not looked at the polls – the fear talk is not moving the %’s… Doubt it really even worked at the HF…
perris @ 129
perris @ 129
He is perfectly capable of ordering Mukasey to lie about it. And I think Mukasey would do it. After all, there will be no consequences. Pelosi has already told him that.
rwcole @ 125
Mukasey, sleaze-bag, corrupt, stooge, supplicant, coward.
Bush, asshole, 12 year old, degenerate.
-GSD
Chuck leaning toward confirmation:
Is it just me or does anyone else think of the Salem Witch Trials when the subject of waterboarding comes up?
Weird, I blogged months ago about possible military intervention to remove a president gone bonkers. My neighbour the Frenchman had made a reference to “Seven Days in May” that got me thinking. So I imagined one unconstitutional order too many, and a coup. Of sorts.
Really, what rational military leader would want to take over and rule. So my conclusion was to remove the problem and turn the country back to We the People.
Maybe the Minot Incident was a hint.
tw3k @ 128
he’s saying “I broke the law and I am not going to submit a candidate unlesss he says that I didn’t break the law, take him or leave hime”
Eh. He’ll just recess appoint the guy. Yeah, I’m that jaded.
Toby Wollin @ 37
She grabbed her Treo the minute she got back to her room from surgery and started emailing. She’s been peppering some of us with email ever since. She’s doing great.
When congress recesses for the year, this period will be ended. They will wake up in January in the heat of an intense political battle- and the Lame Duck will be ignored- he’ll no longer be a part of the story line.
The question for him is whether to go out with dignity or kickin an screaming. I think we know his answer.
He charged that anyone who disagrees with his policies is the same as those who sought to appease Hitler.
Would have been easy to have prevented Dubya from getting within 40 percent of the vote in 2000, if teevee commercials explained the significance of Prescott Bush, Harriman Bank and Hitler. For that matter, Dubya’s father could have been prevented from becoming Raygun’s VP.
Patriarch Prescott Bush got his hand slapped by Congress (for refusing to stop dealing with the Nazi’s) – its a matter of public record.
That Dubya can get away with any references to Hitler is a sad affair.
DeafByPills @ 138
I would rather a recess appointment then approving someone who will approve of the lawlessness that has taken place
rwcole @ 131
IOW, I didn’t do it and you can’t prove it.
RevDeb @ 29
Jaysus! Shrub “branded” fraternity pledges with a hot coat hanger? Click that link folks. It’s a doozy.
And it explains a lot.
Call Schumer (202) 224-6542 or (212) 486-4430.
dakine01 @ 145
I did it and you can prove it and so what? Bring it on.
WaPo story on Schumer wrt to Mukasey.
The argument I assume Schumer is weighing is the hope that Mukasey has enough integrity and independence that, once he’s on the inside, he can at least stop the worst things from happening — but we won’t know that. It’s pig in a poke time. If this is true, then Schumer would put the Dems in the position of saying “trust him” and trust he won’t be overwhelmed by Cheney/Addington — see the Sid Blumenthal link. But the media (and we) will play this as Dems caving to Bush again. It could be another hit on the Dem image.
I can’t see that the Dems or the country has a single thing to gain from this strategy. The chances of this “good” Mukasey succeeding against Addington, Cheney and Bush are likely close to zero.
It’s only torture if at least ten pounds of body tissue is dislodged from it’s normal position..
And here’s the real central front of the War on Terror:
“once he’s on the inside, he can at least stop the worst things from happening —” Hell, once he’s on the inside, even more horrible things will happen, with no recourse.
perris @ 41
I got news for you. I have heard more than one former Dem cabinet official chortle about how great it is going to be when the shoe is on the other foot and a Dem president has all this new power.
FOOLS!
Schumer may be right that having the justice fascist in place may be an improvement for the last year of office—but that’s insufficient reason to allow this farce to continue in my opinion.
rwcole @ 150
A new Jenny Craig weight loss program?
looseheaprop @ 144
and they have a new ad campaign that they are there to provide security and to rebuild
why the HELL would they have that kind of ad camaign going on now?
something big is comming down the pike, that’s why
I’m afraid that the impeachment issue is dead as a doornail. It’s a waste of energy.
looseheaprop @ 150
that has been my worst nightmare. the dems aren’t stopping bush because they’re cowards – they like the power he’s accruing to the presidency…. the contest is who get’s to have it and not whether anyone should.
it’s like the ring of mordor.
Biodun @ 137
You realize of course that those two sentences are contradictory. They represent the core of the problem here. And the answer is, again, first Kagro X’s “no AG” and second, impeachment. If the president cannot appont someone who will put the rule of law first, because the president is committed to the use of torture, then the only recourse is to remove the president. There’s no wiggle room left.
Scarecrow @ 149
Like someone commented above, he CANNOT say that WB is torture. A statement of such implicates Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Addington and a host of others in obvious criminal acts that warrant charges. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but this torture declaration or lack there of, is just the vehicle carrying much larger and looming consequences. As if torture is minimalized somehow…*sigh*
twolf1 @ 18
No President Bush, Judge Mukasey has been asked whether he believes waterboarding constitutes torture. He hasn’t been asked whether it is YOUR PROGRAM or NOT. In fact, this is an appropriate question precisely because neither Congress or Mukasey know what is in your program. He can thus give, fairly, an opinion on “potential acts” without dealing with any particular case under litigation.
And the petulant “take it or ELSE” snottiness essentially is telling the Senate that they actually do NOT have any Constitutional role in approving your nominees. Bush really needs to start reading the Constitution which states that Congress gives “advice and consent” to his nominees.
In addition Bush cannot refuse to appoint an Attorney General simply to avoid the “advice and consent” clause of Congress
U.S. Code, 28 USC Sec 503 (or Title 28, Part 2, Chapter 31, section 503 for us mortals). Specifically:
“The President shall appoint, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, an Attorney General of the United States. The Attorney General is the head of the Department of Justice.”
Not may appoint…and from this law its even doubtful that a RECESS appointment may be made for that position. The position is one that REQUIRES “advise and consent”.
Call Schumer (202) 224-6542 or (212) 486-4430.
Johnny one-note today.
If there was a confirmation hearing and the candidate said waterboarding was illegal during the hearing, would the ramnifications be immediate for Bush?
Adolf Hitler: “The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.”
I can’t imagine anyone’s loved one being waterboarded and coming away thinking it was not torture. Maybe to Republicans it really isn’t torture, but some kind of sex game. My question is do they wear scuba gear during waterboarding?
ccmask @ 163
Interesting question. If Mukasey had simply said, “of course, I think most would regard waterboarding as torture,” no one would have said much. Not even a one day story. The WH could have said, “we don’t mention techniques, but we don’t torture, and we support the nominee.” Story over. But that assumes whatever they were doing before, they stopped doing, so it’s old news. If they’re still waterboarding and/or want to keep it available for the future, they’d be more concerned about the nominee’s statement. So by making a big deal out of this, and trying to duck a simple question, they’ve exposed themselves. I don’t know how else to think about this.
looseheaprop @ 153
missing the point! wtf :/
Via; :o)
I know a world-class texter when I see one.
The former employer on his resume may be be a liability by next year.
George W. Bush personifies the most malevolent, irredeemable and diabolic aspects of mankind. Not only is he wantonly destructive, purposefully dishonest and shamelessly unremorseful, he disgracefully defends his catastrophic decisions by hiding and perpetuating the devastating impact they have on the lives of defenseless human beings. Hundreds of thousands of innocent children, women and men, who have not harbored a harmful thought toward another human being, have been murdered, eviscerated and maimed as a direct result of George W. Bush being the president of the United States of America. And yet, his overriding priority is to prolong the inhuman carnage he has instigated, not to end it. George W. Bush is an indelibly chilling example of what man is capable of doing to his fellow man……the worst example imaginable.
IMPEACHMENT is the only means we have of stopping the devastating consequences of the unrelenting IGNORANCE, ARROGANCE, INCOMPETENCE, DISHONESTIES, INSECURITIES, HOSTILE TEMPERAMENT, VINDICTIVENESS and PRONOUNCED PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS of George W. Bush. He is an intellectually and emotionally mean-spirited immature child who is destroying America’s honor and integrity single-handedly. And politically correct Democrats are standing by watching as he dismantles our Constitution and rules of law creating an all powerful and self-ruling/policing ONE branch oppressive/fascist American government. No individual in our history is more deserving of CONDEMNATION and IMPEACHMENT than George W. Bush!
jayackroyd @ 98
Then I could not agree with you more.
As you know, I am a big proponent of putting Impeachment back on the table. Well, actualy of putting into the House Judiciary Committee. Talked with Jerry Nadler about it (again) less than 2 weeks ago. He says we should be leaning on Conyers and Pelosi.
Conyers does not want to withdraw support from Pelosi by being insubordinate to her.
It’s Pelosi, Pelosi, Pelosi–and she is convicned she does not have the votes.
it becomes a chicken or the egg thing
New thread from Christy:
More and Better (Women!) Democrats
Biodun @ 137
That is the most despicable, defeatist language I have ever heard. I thought New Yorker’s were supposed to be tough?
Tanbark @ 168
Yes, and it ain’t me! :)
It is fun though, isn’t it?
Christy’s upstairs… And I’m all by my lonesome over there, having grabbed the zed…*g*
Christy has a new thread ready. We need more and better (women) Democrats.
Scarecrow @ 166
I think this nomination was a test of the success of the unitary executive philosophy that they so wholeheartedly believe in. (I know I’m not supposed to end a sentence in a preposition, but it’s Friday.)
Scarecrow @ 102
Thanks. Bmaz found a preamble to the written statemtns given by the Blackwater employees which says outright that they are giving the statements on the understanding that the statements cannot be used in court.
That is very different from whether the employees are themselves immune from prosecution.
Apparently they are not, or why would the FBI still be working on the investigation? And why would DOJ have gone to the trouble of creating a Chinese wall between lawyers who have read these statements, and lawyers who have not?
I think there is merely a fruit of the poisonous tree issue, rather than immunity from prosecution
Lhp @171;
But if they could at least expose what he is doing they have a chance to get the votes. I think the public would rise up and demand it. If the MSM doesn’t refuse to cover the proceedings and findings.
looseheaprop @ 178
Okay, that’s closer to my original assumption about what was going on. Although State investigators never had the legal authority to grant limited use immunity, they acted as though they did, and now FBI/DoJ are forced to pretend it was legal to avoid tainting their investigations and chances for successful prosecution. There must be cases dealing with the due process fairness of using such statements when provided under “color of law” — or something like that.
I guess the Legislative and Executive branches of the government are reduced to the Limbo.
If we are at war, then, instead of hammering on congress for being in denial, let this president patriotically call for re-instating the draft so that (in this election year) his own party can rally to both he and the flag, and support him in that call.
(I grins a most evil grin…:o) )
Scarecrow @ 180
If that’s the case, then the administration gets away with it, and this “technique” could be used successfully all the time, right?
scarecrow – one small nit to leave in epu land:
i just don’t think this is so. congress – at least from what i’ve seen that goes on in committee and the house and senate floors… they don’t seem very focused on our war(s) and i think they spend far more time talking about other stuff.
caveats: ‘course since i only started paying attention last year, so i don’t have a baseline to compare it to…. and since i can’t pay attention to all of it maybe i’m missing a bunch of important stuff.
Elliot at 183: “If that’s the case, then the administration gets away with it, and this “technique” could be used successfully all the time, right?”
Maybe it is time for another Constitutional Convention. I’m beginning to think that even the Framers, in their wisdom, couldn’t conceive of an administration this bent on wrecking their document.
I’m sorry, Scarecrow. I screwed something up in the post above. That was my comment, not yours!
[no problem; I think it’s fixed. No one else here ever has that problem. :) ]
RevDeb @ 29
“they have something going on, they either know they will be able to pull off ballot flipping or they know a “catastrophu” will give them a reason to suspend congress, to suspend elections.”
i have speculated on the possibility that bushco could declare martial law and suspend the elections . . .
can you say, ‘revolution’?
pelosi can’t.
Well, I called Shumer (my Sen) and also had my zip code taken down. Could be they’re getting lots of calls and indeed doing a tally. No comment, just “thank you.”
This is really ominous. Besides being terrible history. There was actually no Congressional debate about actions to take against Lenin when he first talked about launching a communist revolution. Similarly no debate existed about measures to take against Hitler when he was “first” rising to power. Those debates came later…after the “revolutions” or invasions.
And what precisely was done in 1917-1920? Well there were massive “enemies lists” compiled (760,000 people were considered potential terrorists), the “Red Scares’ with thousands of people hauled off in the “Palmer Raids” led by the ambitious young DOJ AUSA named J. Edgar Hoover. The raids targeted minorities, legal immigrants, labor unionists, peace advocates, womens rights advocates…any group that had been involved in the progressive changes in the period just before WWI. THAT is what Congress wrought in it’s effort to stem the tide of “Bolshevism”.
And Hitler…we are well aware that Prescott Bush, Dubya’s grandpapa was a Hitler afficionado. The Republicans were entirely opposed to the efforts of FDR to bolster the defenses of France, Britain, Poland, and the Low Countrys. They opposed “Lend Lease”. They especially hated groups like the “Abraham Lincoln Brigades” that supported the legally elected Republican government of Spain.
The founder of the “right wing talk radio movement” Father Charles Coughlin vilified these anti-Nazis as “Commies” and “anarchists”. I can’t but think that many modern conservatives like Ann Coulter draw direct lineal ancestry from Father Coughlin (via Senator McCarthy). One difference…Coughlin was a rabid isolationist…albeit at a time when moral issues were driving progressives to support those who were opposed to Naziism. He called these people traitors and worse. Coughlin claimed that the Depression was a cash famine (Milton Friedman agrees), and proposed the elimination of the Federal Reserve Board and a return to the Gold Standard. In 1934 Coughlin denounced Roosevelt as a tool of Wall Street. He compared Huey Long (until Long was killed in 1935) “favorably” with Hitler, Franco and Mussolini,. As the New Deal actually began to succeed his radio speeches increased in virulence against FDR and Jewish capitalists. He accused Roosevelt of “leaning toward international socialism or sovietism on the Spanish question.”
Coughlin founded the National Union for Social Justice, made up of anti-immigrant nativists, conservative Christians and opponents of the Federal Reserve. Coughlinites regarded Wall Street and Communism as twin faces of a “secular Satan”. Like Joseph Goebbels, Coughlin claimed that Marxist atheism in Europe was a Jewish plot.
After Kristallnacht Coughlin blamed the Jewish victims. Coughlin was a hero in Nazi Germany, where newspapers ran headlines like: “America is Not Allowed to Hear the Truth.” Coughlin supported the Christian Front, a group which was “planning to murder Jews, communists, and ‘a dozen Congressmen’”. In 1938 two thousand of Coughlin’s followers marched in New York protesting potential asylum law changes that would allow more Jews (including refugees from Hitler’s persecution) into the US, chanting, “Send Jews back where they came from in leaky boats!” and “Wait until Hitler comes over here!”
Coughlin was also involved in the America First movement of millionaire publisher William Regnery. Of course, Regnery Publishing is the right-wing publishing house that released William F. Buckley’s first book in 1951. E. Howard Hunt asserted that Regnery was subsidized by the CIA for both domestic and foreign ops. The company today publishes Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, David Horowitz, Michelle Malkin, Oliver North, and the “Swift Boat Veterans” book smearing John Kerry.
So when Bush raises the issue of Nazis and who supports their ideology he should turn inward and look at his own supporters. He should ask why he is willing to subvert the very Constitution that he swore to “protect and preserve”.
Scarecrow @ 20
Yes, the problem with Obama’s playing political tennis with Hillary with such a bill is this: What if Obama cannot get the 50% of the Senate necessary to pass it? What if all the Democratic Presidential Candidates vote for it…but one or two Blue Dogs…plus Leiberman don’t. The bill stating “that the Leiberman-Kyl Resolution did not confer the authority for the President to attack Iran” goes down to defeat.
That would mean that, at least in Bush’s thinking and arguments, that the Senate HAD, in fact, intended to authorize him to use force against Iran. After all, the Resolution saying it did not FAILED!
Obama has created precisely the worst sort of situation. If the Bill fails Bush has exactly what was specifically excluded in the Lieber-Kyl Resolution!
I called and asked the Senator to vote no. I wonder if anyone in this corrupt congress does as their constituents ask any longer?
It’s clear that the guy some call, “Mr President” has put himself in a situation where, without a national security state of emergency, he has no legal basis for remaining out of jail, let alone in office.
That’s why they told Mukasey to say the President is acting within his inherent powers when he breaks the law and claims it’s because of national security.
Obviously, in that case, the Crime Family will keep il duce in power. He’ll do anything for his loyalist supporters to stay in power and out of jail, and they can do anything because he’s providing the so-called, “State of National Security Emergency.”
That’s the kind of teamwork we need a lot less of in government.
You can’t say that. That’s not allowed. No one is ever allowed to say that georgie lied. Never. Ever.
No one else has ever put into print such a vile and repugnant statement. To say that little georgie lied is to go beyond taboo.
You’re right, of course.
Excellent analysis of Bush’s speech. I watched the video and the Heritage Foundation ate it up. Especially when Bush accussed Democrats in Congress of being responsive *only* to MoveOn.org and CodePink.
Bush is hugely unpopular and the number of friends who support him gets smaller and smaller every day. Everywhere he looks, people hate him, and for good reasons. He’s an abysmal President and a jerk as a human being.
But, the friends who do support him are ready and willing to go down with the ship, and the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, FOX News, and the Malkin/Coulter/Limbaugh crowd are all ready and willing to take cyanide in the bunker with him.
My point? When 74% of the people hate you, you talk only to the 26% who viciously still believe in you, regardless of reason and evidence. That’s the Heritage Foundation. If Bush has said anything *less* offensive, petulant, stupid, and dishonest to them, his approval numbers would fall even farther.
Outside of the Heritage Foundation and the usual Far Right hate-spewers, Bush has no other friends. Bush has no choice but to throw them red meat. Bushius Ceasar has nothing else left…..
Just chiming in without reading post but in response to title of post– (on way out the door) from my experience tantrums are ignored and not given any attention (such a breach of manners, tantrums!) If tantrum gets really ugly tantee must: “Go.To.Your.Room until you can bring yourself under control– such bad manners! my my, you must be feeling embarrassed for losing control of your little self!”
perris @ 41
Article II Section 3 of the Constitution may be ominous as it appears to contradict the adjournment clause in Article I.
Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of DISAGREEMENT between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
Of course, he would also have to ignore that next to last line.
STTP in Ohio @ 47
But wouldn’t that have been the case in a situation where both the President and Veep were convicted…yet that is precisely what is allowed for in the Constitution in the order of succession. The Founders certainly knew that this was a possibility. In fact, in the early days of the Republic, the Vice President was the member of the opposition party. So clearly the Framers of the Constitution were aware that impeachment convictionwould lead to the shift of the Executive to the other party.
The “check” on this is the fact that the House can only initiate the process. It does not DECIDE the factuality of the charges, and it requires a supermajority of those present to convict.
eCAHNomics @ 53
Wait until Obama’s Resolution goes down in flames. Bush will then assert that if this Resolution stating that Lieberman-Kyl was not an authorization for military action failed , then it actually DOES grant him such authorization. Much more convincing than a letter.
eCAHNomics @ 155
I think some troll named Liberty Boy said last night that it was only torture if you decapitated them…so how much does a head weigh???
Scarecrow @ 102
One problem is that judges and juries also look at the issue of the “state of mind” of the individual who made the statement…did the really believe the individual gave them “immunity”. As far as I know, that issue has only been raised when the individuals were actually law enforcement officers.
Another point, even in immunity, only the individual involved is protected from prosecution based on THEIR OWN EVIDENCE. It does not protect them from prosecution based ON INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE given by another individual.
This is a standard weapon used by prosecutors. They get one person to turn against his colleague offering immunity from prosecution based on his statement, and then use the “fingered” colleague to turn against the initial confessor (also telling them…anything you say we won’t use against YOU). But they use what the other said.
It’s only when one or more of those clam up when this gets to be a disappointing strategy to convict all of those involved.
All of this relates to the famous “Prisoner’s Dilemma”.
Usually lawyers will not allow their clients to “confess” unless they are also offered some protection against the testimony of others…not merely immunity from self-admission (unless they were the sole actor).
How about asking Mukasey if he considers the German Chair used in America’s gulags abroad to be torture? Or is the use of a device not torture when it doesn’t break your spine?
Wow, check out those dead, cold eyes on that man! He hates the world with a cold fury. He could be a character ( along with his sidekick dead dick) in Marvel Comics with little actual artistic change to his face. He’s just become grayer, colder, deader, and more evil looking by the day. The only unfortunate thing is there’s no super hero to take him on, either in real life or the comics.
Boosh acts like a fifth grader? He’s unable to admit failure or stupidity?
The answer must be to mainline Imitrex straight into the skull. Let the gibble jabble mix with the willy nilly, then you’ll find him going down the drain. Through the twists and turns, then you’ll come out doing the back stroke down the great, green, greasy Limbpopo River, if you know what I mean. Well, then everything will make sense. Especially as you give Laura a well-oiled and bemused grin. Her arms will wave and her gums will flap non-sensically as if they were tied by strings, just like Boosh, and being pulled by an unseen puppet master some where in the dankest recesses of some clandestine diabolical bunker, three miles below the low-tide mark, where scum sucking zygotes and lower forms of humanity hide their worthless asses from the light of reason and reality. But you will not be afraid of her or his madcapped gesticulations and giggling genuflections, for you are the annointed one. The one which has been annointing hiz sef’ all afternoon with the bubbly carbonated incantations of the Mead of the Druids. Some call it Breesky, some calls it Suds, you may even call for the Bud. Newts, salamanders, and mud puppies alike will all march past not only in astonishing formations (the judges liked what they saw!), but in impressive numbers, despite being dispirited over the lingering Korean black dog meat boycott still in effect. And that nasty, nasty stick of butter never materialized until it was time to retire for the evening.
Can everyone spell ‘psychopath’? Why isn’t this man in a mental hospital?
Well, why shouldn’t George W. bush not have a tantrum?
He is used to a rubber stamp Republican Congress and, while he can still control virtually all the actions of his Loyal Bushies in The Party, they cannot deliver unconditional, unquestioned results any more. So the President is going to take his ball and go home.
IMPEACHMENT was an option a year ago. Pelosi should have been smacked down when she first said “Impeachment is not on the table.” But the Dems wanted an opportunity to try bipartisanship – HAH! FOOLS! The Democrats have wittingly or otherwise allowed things to deteriorate to this point. If the Congress couldn’t bring impeachment proceedings before now, with everything that Bush/Cheney have done, then Mukasey’s nomination isn’t anything beyond the pale of what Congress have already implicitly accepted/approved. I personally think you’re wasting your time pressuring Schumer, but I’m not an insider. If this might lead to impeachment, then I’d support it. But I suspect it won’t so I don’t. You won’t get a better nominee from Bush for AG than Mukasey in my opinion.