yay! trex!

trex, had me sweating there for a bit… (exhaling now)

hows it going, big guy

Late Late Nite!!!

let downstairs know pb please

oh come on…where’s the competition?

*flounces off*

Hey TRex!

already told’m!

nicely done pb, very nice

EPU’d

TexBetsy @ 291

U.S. refugee program for Iraqis falls short

U.S. accepting far fewer Iraqi refugees than pledged.

WASHINGTON — Last fall, with an estimated 2 million Iraqi refugees swamping the small countries of Syria and Jordan, the U.S. State Department pledged to take in at least 7,000 in the coming year.

During the next 12 months, though, just 1,608 Iraqi refugees were admitted to the United States.

This summer, the State Department set a goal of 12,000 for the coming fiscal year. In October, though, just 450 made the cut, less than half the 1,000 needed to start the year on track.

“Four hundred and fifty is not a thousand, but it is 450 people who have been resettled in the United States rightly as refugees,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said this week. “We’re going to do everything we can to meet that target.”

The United States requires Iraqi refugees to be interviewed by a Homeland Security Department agent before being admitted, as a safeguard against the admission of potentially dangerous militants. It’s a time-consuming process.

Before even entering the U.S. vetting process, most Iraqis must first register with the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.

Many refugees are reluctant to register, for fear of being sent back to Iraq or tracked down by those who might do them harm.

OT: thought this was an interesting post: A time of crime

TRex!

How’s the back, TRex? Is Roison a woman?

Nice.

Hey TRex!

peanutbutter @ 10

OT: thought this was an interesting post: A time of crime

Notice how the violent-crime rate dropped by 50% during the Clinton years, but was steady both before and since.

Suzanne @ 2

trex, had me sweating there for a bit… (exhaling now)

hows it going, big guy

Sorry. I fell asleep on the sofa.

Not a good idea for a Theropod with a bad back.

okay, hate to zed and run, but i’ll be back a while later…have fun on the lake! don’t splash too much!

wigwam @ 15

peanutbutter @ 10

OT: thought this was an interesting post: A time of crime

Notice how the violent-crime rate dropped by 50% during the Clinton years, but was steady both before and since.

Oh yes, indeedy. Could be linked also to how well the economy was doing (in real terms, not gov’t double speak)…

TRex @ 16

Suzanne @ 2

trex, had me sweating there for a bit… (exhaling now)

hows it going, big guy

Sorry. I fell asleep on the sofa.

Not a good idea for a Theropod with a bad back.

especially one taking flexeril? is it helping dear? how ya doing? need anything?

Suzanne, can I borrow your quarter-on-a-string? I’d like to feed the jukebox but I don’t have any Merkin money. Why thank you, here’s a pleasant little ditty for your entertainment.

especially one taking flexeril? is it helping dear? how ya doing? need anything?

Nah. Just a few more hours of sleep in my real bed. But I’m here for the next little bit.

TRex @ 21

especially one taking flexeril? is it helping dear? how ya doing? need anything?

Nah. Just a few more hours of sleep in my real bed. But I’m here for the next little bit.

And we’re glad to see you.

TRex @ 16

Suzanne @ 2

trex, had me sweating there for a bit… (exhaling now)

hows it going, big guy

Sorry. I fell asleep on the sofa.

Not a good idea for a Theropod with a bad back.

It must be a sign of progress. I bet you wouldn’t have been able to fall asleep on the sofa last week.

persiflage @ 20

Suzanne, can I borrow your quarter-on-a-string? I’d like to feed the jukebox but I don’t have any Merkin money. Why thank you, here’s a pleasant little ditty for your entertainment.

sure thang, persi… my merkin money shore aint worth what it used to be – even with the loonie (eyes rolling) living on a fixed income, that quarter on a string comes in right handy.

Somewhere on a train platform in Tokyo, a Japanese girl has copied Roisin’s outfit in this video to the letter and is wearing it right now.

trip-hop quarter!

Smithsonian Questions $5 Million In Oil Money
from wa po politics by James V. Grimaldi and Jacqueline Trescott
The Smithsonian Institution has taken the rare step of putting on hold a $5 million donation from the American Petroleum Institute after two members of the museum complex’s Board of Regents, including a U.S. senator, balked at accepting oil-industry money for a major initiative on the world’s…

Suzanne @ 24

persiflage @ 20

Suzanne, can I borrow your quarter-on-a-string? I’d like to feed the jukebox but I don’t have any Merkin money. Why thank you, here’s a pleasant little ditty for your entertainment.

sure thang, persi… my merkin money shore aint worth what it used to be – even with the loonie (eyes rolling) living on a fixed income, that quarter on a string comes in right handy.

Heh, our dollar has been as low as 60 US cents to our dollar. Yesterday it was 94 cents. We plan on overtaking you sometime soon. Now that would be just my luck, just as the US dollar’s fall makes a trip to the US affordable, one of the last places I want to travel to is the US.

Texas Proceeding With Plan to Auction Nature Preserve
from NYT > Home Page by RALPH BLUMENTHAL
Texas is collecting bids from private buyers for a 9,270-acre tract of state wildlife preserve, setting off an uproar among conservationists.

trex, are you still doing ice or are you doing heat now?

peanutbutter @ 18

wigwam @ 15

Notice how the violent-crime rate dropped by 50% during the Clinton years, but was steady both before and since.

Oh yes, indeedy. Could be linked also to how well the economy was doing (in real terms, not gov’t double speak)…

At the time, I read that it have everything to do with demographics: the average of the male population was rising, thus lower levels of testosterone. Seriously!

Pittsburgh Episcopal Diocese Votes to Leave the Church
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..mp;emc=rss

Members of the diocese voted Friday in favor of separating from the national church because of a rift that began with the consecration of an openly gay bishop.

Persiflage, it is so sad that you don’t want to visit the US. Have you been here before? Can’t blame you, though. “Homeland” Security is making it impossible. Can’t remember where I read today that our tourism industry has taken a real blow.

wigwam @ 31

peanutbutter @ 18

Oh yes, indeedy. Could be linked also to how well the economy was doing (in real terms, not gov’t double speak)…

At the time, I read that it have everything to do with demographics: the average of the male population was rising, thus lower levels of testosterone. Seriously!

I read that as well. That the crime rate correlates with the number of adolescent males.

TexBetsy @ 29

Texas Proceeding With Plan to Auction Nature Preserve
from NYT > Home Page by RALPH BLUMENTHAL
Texas is collecting bids from private buyers for a 9,270-acre tract of state wildlife preserve, setting off an uproar among conservationists.

Oh how I miss Molly and Ann and Lady Bird – it would give me hope this latest fuckery could be reversed.

Keep us posted Betsy.

Have a long day so will bid TRex and all you amazing gals and guys pups niters and sweet dreams.

TexBetsy @ 34

wigwam @ 31

At the time, I read that it have everything to do with demographics: the average of the male population was rising, thus lower levels of testosterone. Seriously!

I read that as well. That the crime rate correlates with the number of adolescent males.

I hate to say it but …

night npb

g’nite npb

I wanted to see a Colbert candidacy.

From out in left field..I received my Howie Klein C&L Late Nite music selection in the mail today. Howie says this was a favorite album when he was in college and too stoned to study. It is only available on LP, used.
If you have an interest in the Latin Mass sung my Congolese students; this is for you.
Here is a sample..C&L

Good night, Newspaperbrat. I always wonder if you are a Hearst…

Loo Hoo. @ 33

Persiflage, it is so sad that you don’t want to visit the US. Have you been here before? Can’t blame you, though. “Homeland” Security is making it impossible. Can’t remember where I read today that our tourism industry has taken a real blow.

Loo Hoo, I would love to come to the US to see my friends and explore the country. I’ve never been there before but when I was a teenager all of my friends wanted to go to England and Europe. I wanted to visit the US and always have. I just don’t want to be treated like a criminal for trying to have a holiday. What really bothers me is that it seems people can arbitrarily detain you at the airport, decide that you’re unacceptable and put you on the next plane home. Even with our improving dollar that’s a lot of money to piss up against a wall.

I’ve been interested in a good many things over many long years. But Latin Mass sung by Congolese students, never.

But you peak my interest somewhat. *G*

Biggest reason to support Hillary:

Press conference, April 2009:

“I have today sent to the Senate for its advice and consent, the nominations of Senator Dianne Feinstein as Ambassador to Denmark, and my great friend Chuck Schumer to be Chairman of the Federal Trade Commission.”

Something good about America.

;>)

I’m out. See y’all tomorrow.

Subsidizing the big mac but not the salad

Night burns. Me too.

Bye.

good things about america: rock and roll and the blues..

they had better not try to take my music away from me (spitting)

Loo Hoo. @ 43

I’ve been interested in a good many things over many long years. But Latin Mass sung by Congolese students, never.

But you peak my interest somewhat. *G*

Hit the link, the sample comes with a slide show and is quite haunting.

pain free sleep wishes, tex

Persiflage. Wish I could help, as do many others, I am sure. If all is in order, I’m sure you would just have to suffer an hour or so at the airport customs station. I wonder if there is a blog dedicated to cruel and unusual treatment at Customs in America. Bet the tourism industry would follow it…

If you do brave a trip, please know that you are welcome here in San Diego County. (Plus the bonus of being able to visit Mexico!)

Man, that guy can play! Oh DB, I don’t want to give the impression that I’d avoid coming to America because it’s a terrible place. Some of the biggest-hearted, kindest people I’ve met, in real life and online, are Americans. There’s a huge amount to admire about the US. Tell ya what, elect a decent Govt and I’ll try to be there in 2009 for the inauguration.

WH Silenced DOJ Critic Who Underwent Waterboarding

buck fuschen
shuck fumer
duck fifi

g’nite burns – sleep well

Steve-AR @ 50

Loo Hoo. @ 43

I’ve been interested in a good many things over many long years. But Latin Mass sung by Congolese students, never.

But you peak my interest somewhat. *G*

Hit the link, the sample comes with a slide show and is quite haunting.

OMG, a sneak-em-in picture of George Bush there. Did you see it? I’m going back to check.

cinnamonape @ 54

WH Silenced DOJ Critic Who Underwent Waterboarding

I have been trying to open that link for over an hour. Is anyone else having the same trouble?

From the Latin Mass to Digby and Hillary; as usual Digby gets it right.

(snip)
I’m sorry, but this is truly sexist crap. Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney are out there one upping each other on who will be the most macho sadists among the crowd of warring GOP thugs. Hillary goes to her alma mater and says that her education at the women’s college prepared her to do battle with the political boys club and the gasbags’ eyes roll back in their heads and they start drooling and whining that she’s she’s broken the rules.

Well boo fucking hoo. The rules are changing. Get used to it.
(snip)
I’ve got no problem with attacking Clinton on her voting record or her policies and I even think it’s ok for Obama to make this a line of attack if he wants to take that chance. You know the Republicans will. But the Village blowhards are the ones taking the lead on this and those fools have no standing to play this game. They are a bunch of elitist little pricks whose influence is poisonous to our body politic. It’s hard to see anything more antithetical to our democracy than this little fraternity of nitwits in charge of the political conversation.

link

Jeebus..Digby is so good.

TexBetsy @ 27

Smithsonian Questions $5 Million In Oil Money
from wa po politics by James V. Grimaldi and Jacqueline Trescott
The Smithsonian Institution has taken the rare step of putting on hold a $5 million donation from the American Petroleum Institute after two members of the museum complex’s Board of Regents, including a U.S. senator, balked at accepting oil-industry money for a major initiative on the world’s…

Perhaps they’ve decided to pay attention to their fiduciary responsibilities now, having let the former director rip them (us) off, give away the store and politicize the exhibits.

Is that today’s WaPo?

cinnamonape @ 54

WH Silenced DOJ Critic Who Underwent Waterboarding

Dude: http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..nt-1073805

Steve, that whole vid is great! Amato is a treasure.

Eureka Springs @ 58

cinnamonape @ 54

WH Silenced DOJ Critic Who Underwent Waterboarding

I have been trying to open that link for over an hour. Is anyone else having the same trouble?

Just tried it, came right up…

darkblack @ 45

Something good about America.

;>)

damn, amazing!

opened fine for me, es

did you get a firefox update today? i got a notification and have had no problems with the updated browser.

Loo Hoo. @ 57

Steve-AR @ 50

Hit the link, the sample comes with a slide show and is quite haunting.

OMG, a sneak-em-in picture of George Bush there. Did you see it? I’m going back to check.

Yea..there are some interesting quick flashes. This was an album that I missed in the 60’s..lying on the floor, in the dark, smoking a joint and listening to that music would be amazing.

Eureka Springs @ 58

cinnamonape @ 54

WH Silenced DOJ Critic Who Underwent Waterboarding

I have been trying to open that link for over an hour. Is anyone else having the same trouble?

I, for one, have not been having any trouble, and I just now checked it.

Loo Hoo. @ 52

Persiflage. Wish I could help, as do many others, I am sure. If all is in order, I’m sure you would just have to suffer an hour or so at the airport customs station. I wonder if there is a blog dedicated to cruel and unusual treatment at Customs in America. Bet the tourism industry would follow it…

If you do brave a trip, please know that you are welcome here in San Diego County. (Plus the bonus of being able to visit Mexico!)

I suspect everything would be OK because I’m a middle aged white woman but you just never know. I know of one woman (acquaintance of an acquaintance) who visited her sister in the US maybe 15 years ago. Because there were some kitchen utensils and food in her bag the authorities decided that she planned to stay and therefore put her on the next plane back home. No matter how much she protested that her sister had asked her to bring the kitchen stuff and she had no intention of staying longer than her visa allowed, they wouldn’t listen. And they wouldn’t tell the sister waiting outside.

steve-ar, with a speaker next to each ear – laying between them

Suz, No update yet and everything else is working perfectly. abcnews.go.com wont load for me either… very very strange.

Loo Hoo. @ 62

Steve, that whole vid is great! Amato is a treasure.

Howie and Lucas did the video, I think.

dang, persi, i am so ashamed for what was done in my name to your acquaintance

es, you pc or mac? i’m pc

mac. Now my tin foil is on high. washingtonpost.com isn’t loading.

Suzanne @ 72

dang, persi, i am so ashamed for what was done in my name to your acquaintance

From what she said there was an attitude that America is the most wonderful place on earth so anybody who visits will never want to leave. It was probably just one officious prick but that’s the point. Officious pricks shouldn’t have that much power.

Suzanne @ 69

steve-ar, with a speaker next to each ear – laying between them

LP’s were kind of a bummer; if you had a manual turntable, things would be getting good and then..click……click……click..then fuck me, get up and flip the record. The kids today really don’t understand.

Eureka Springs @ 74

mac. Now my tin foil is on high. washingtonpost.com isn’t loading.

Sounds like you need to empty your cache, clear your private data and try again, Grasshoppah.

es, i’m on a pc so they must not have done a ff mac update.

perhaps you should reboot your browser to see if that fixes it if clearing your cache doesnt.

Suzanne @ 2

trex, had me sweating there for a bit… (exhaling now)

hows it going, big guy

our fav gay-man hero of the eastern seaboard
has got
our immaculate republican lady law enforcement fundie moderatrix Suzanne
breaking a sweat
from across the continent.
(standing to applaud.)

cool.
sic ‘em.

must be transcontinental.

though these days they leave out the trans.
“continental”
sad.

(just kidding ya there, Suzanne!)

Lessee, let me just pop that quarter in the jukebox for the John Butler Trio

Steve-AR @ 76

Suzanne @ 69

steve-ar, with a speaker next to each ear – laying between them

LP’s were kind of a bummer; if you had a manual turntable, things would be getting good and then..click……click……click..then fuck me, get up and flip the record. The kids today really don’t understand.

laughing.. or the penny would fall off the arm…

LP’s were kind of a bummer; if you had a manual turntable, things would be getting good and then..click……click……click..then fuck me, get up and flip the record. The kids today really don’t understand.

I still think of albums as Side One and Side Two. It really helped for me when we were arranging our tracks in order on CD’s to think of them as two groups of five rather than TEN SONGS I have to put in order.

You have no idea how savage the inter-band arguments can get when it comes to something like track order on a CD.

Eureka Springs @ 70

Suz, No update yet and everything else is working perfectly. abcnews.go.com wont load for me either… very very strange.

working ok for me w/out update

ydj, you have me laughing so loud, i woke up token who was sleeping my lap

Eureka Springs @ 74

mac. Now my tin foil is on high. washingtonpost.com isn’t loading.

loaded for me on a mac.

you can try http://www.opendns.com to try a different nameserver

Suzanne @ 81

Steve-AR @ 76

LP’s were kind of a bummer; if you had a manual turntable, things would be getting good and then..click……click……click..then fuck me, get up and flip the record. The kids today really don’t understand.

laughing.. or the penny would fall off the arm…

right!!!!!(Has Cassie gone to bed?) The biggest fuck me would be, the panties are half-way off..the click….click…..click

Suzanne @ 84

ydj, you have me laughing so loud, i woke up token who was sleeping my lap

my apologies to your Token.
and my appreciations for your laughs.
thanks

steve-ar, that’s why they invented underground fm radio stations

Suzanne @ 81

Steve-AR @ 76

LP’s were kind of a bummer; if you had a manual turntable, things would be getting good and then..click……click……click..then fuck me, get up and flip the record. The kids today really don’t understand.

laughing.. or the penny would fall off the arm…

Didn’t you guys have the turntables that would drop one record when one finished? Bad for the albums, though and noisy. Long, lovely nights…

Night all. Thanks for your ability to muster humor amidst the outrage. fdl is a bastion of sanity.

TRex @ 77

Eureka Springs @ 74

mac. Now my tin foil is on high. washingtonpost.com isn’t loading.

Sounds like you need to empty your cache, clear your private data and try again, Grasshoppah.

Thanks for the reminder.. It didn’t work. Anyway, sorry to disrupt the threads state of yo. Just remember me if I can’t get into the lake tomorrow.

loohoo, ya still had to stop and flip the stack of lps.

dang es, have ya done a complete reboot of the entire system?

Updated your browser? I mean, like, gone to the website and uploaded the latest version?

Suzanne @ 93

dang es, have ya done a complete reboot of the entire system?

Just clear cache and browser reboot.. With over twenty open tabs reloading correctly, except wapo and abc. Let me try rebooting the whole computer.

Steve-AR @ 50

Loo Hoo. @ 43

I’ve been interested in a good many things over many long years. But Latin Mass sung by Congolese students, never.

But you peak my interest somewhat. *G*

Hit the link, the sample comes with a slide show and is quite haunting.

Steve, that is officially the weirdest and most wonderful thing I’ve heard in a very long time. Thank you.

Suzanne @ 92

loohoo, ya still had to stop and flip the stack of lps.

True. And then there was always one with a scratch, which would make the repeat, repeat, repeat until you held down the handle. What quality diamond were those needles which constantly needed replacing?

Eureka Springs @ 91

TRex @ 77

Sounds like you need to empty your cache, clear your private data and try again, Grasshoppah.

Thanks for the reminder.. It didn’t work. Anyway, sorry to disrupt the threads state of yo. Just remember me if I can’t get into the lake tomorrow.

I was having increasing problems with FF..locking up, etc..finally dumped everything in trash..better for a while..then problems…upgraded to Leopard so far OK.

steve-ar, wasn’t newton doing some testing on the kitty…

Eureka Springs @ 91

TRex @ 77

Sounds like you need to empty your cache, clear your private data and try again, Grasshoppah.

Thanks for the reminder.. It didn’t work. Anyway, sorry to disrupt the threads state of yo. Just remember me if I can’t get into the lake tomorrow.

We’ll remember ES! How could we ever forget after the pun that could take punaise to task?

loohoo, first time i heard number 9 from the beatles, i thought it was a scratch in the record

After reading Pach’s posting, I’ve got to ask a question: Is the enforcement of borders “de facto” racist?

You know what I used to hate? When the car stereo would eat a cassette. Especially a favorite mix tape. It never seemed to happen when you weren’t in the midst of multiple urgent driving decisions and all you could do was yell at the tape player like it was a bad dog, “NO! NO, NO, NOOOOOOO!!!”

Suzanne @ 101

loohoo, first time i heard number 9 from the beatles, i thought it was a scratch in the record

That’s nothing. I took a new tape deck back to Best Buy twice because I was only getting the guitars on “Tax Man” in the left channel.

Not clear on your question, wigwam.

And those 8 tracks…

TRex @ 103

You know what I used to hate? When the car stereo would eat a cassette. Especially a favorite mix tape. It never seemed to happen when you weren’t in the midst of multiple urgent driving decisions and all you could do was yell at the tape player like it was a bad dog, “NO! NO, NO, NOOOOOOO!!!”

707!!! Been there too, Trex.

I hated the clunking noise as the 8track player switched sides – right in the middle of a great song usually. never knew if it was eating the tape or just switching sides.

TRex @ 103

You know what I used to hate? When the car stereo would eat a cassette. Especially a favorite mix tape. It never seemed to happen when you weren’t in the midst of multiple urgent driving decisions and all you could do was yell at the tape player like it was a bad dog, “NO! NO, NO, NOOOOOOO!!!”

i HATED that.

You know, every now and then you would be walking along the road and find a forlorn abandoned cassette tape that you know someone had thrown out of the window in disgust. Just a rectangle of plastic in a pile of billowing brown spaghetti.

I had a rare and coveted knack for rescuing people’s chewed up cassettes. It involved two ball point pens and a lot of tedious hand-winding of those little wheels. My friends would show up in home room with a mangled cassette and desperate expressions on their faces.

It was a calling. I was the Tape Whisperer.

Suzanne @ 99

steve-ar, wasn’t newton doing some testing on the kitty…

??????? Kitty is with the ex-wife in Jackson Hole WY..about 1/2 mile from Cheney.

Suzanne @ 101

loohoo, first time i heard number 9 from the beatles, i thought it was a scratch in the record

Taking me back, girlscout!

TRex @ 104

Suzanne @ 101

loohoo, first time i heard number 9 from the beatles, i thought it was a scratch in the record

That’s nothing. I took a new tape deck back to Best Buy twice because I was only getting the guitars on “Tax Man” in the left channel.

too funny

Steve-AR @ 110

Suzanne @ 99

steve-ar, wasn’t newton doing some testing on the kitty…

??????? Kitty is with the ex-wife in Jackson Hole WY..about 1/2 mile from Cheney.

kitty is what newton has been calling the leopard OS

i could do it too, trex, but only if i smoked a fatty before hand. some were, unfortunately, beyond my rescue skills.

Ahhh!! I suffer for the condition known as “concrete thinking”.

Suzanne @ 113

Steve-AR @ 110

??????? Kitty is with the ex-wife in Jackson Hole WY..about 1/2 mile from Cheney.

kitty is what newton has been calling the leopard OS

Does Newton like “kitty”? Does kitty like Newton?

As long as the tape itself had not been stretched or snapped, I was all about it. It just took a bit of time.

I never smoked pot or drank until my final semester of college.

I made up for lost time fairly quickly, though.

TRex @ 109

You know, every now and then you would be walking along the road and find a forlorn abandoned cassette tape that you know someone had thrown out of the window in disgust. Just a rectangle of plastic in a pile of billowing brown spaghetti.

I had a rare and coveted knack for rescuing people’s chewed up cassettes. It involved two ball point pens and a lot of tedious hand-winding of those little wheels. My friends would show up in home room with a mangled cassette and desperate expressions on their faces.

It was a calling. I was the Tape Whisperer.

That is too freaking (whispering) funny! Which takes me back to Study Hall and the shit we did there.

trex, i got it all out of my system before i turned 18. helped later on having my juvenile record sealed

wigwam, i don’t know… and i think newton is headed down to la for the socal pup meet up tomorrow. we will have to have loohoo ask him that.

Thanks for the junior high/high school music flashbacks. I’m calling it a night.

And a reminder-

Katymine and I will be meeting up on 11/3 at 3pm at:
Blue Moose
4936 N.E. Fremont St
Portland, Oregon

Anyone in the area can join us…

Sweet dreams, firepups.

have fun tomorrow TOW and bring us back a full report (and pictures)

Now that I am back and able to get into both wapo and abc.. I would rather think of all the music on a thousand or more cassettes, many of them are bootleg masters that I would love to hear right now.

And I will never forget the kindness of a stranger who long ago repaired my melted bootleg of Doc Watson David Grissman and Jack Lawrence playing a little church in Boulder Co. That show is pure bliss.

Suzanne @ 114

i could do it too, trex, but only if i smoked a fatty before hand. some were, unfortunately, beyond my rescue skills.

i was a professional tape whisperer.
i worked as technician at our university’s audio visual library.
but i got to have the tools to do the job too.
and extra shells with little screws with which to re-assemble.
i was the hero to many a prof with some precious audio to be saved.
did a lot of vhs and beta tape too.
reel-to-reel.
reel-to-reel video tape.
film.
zzzzzzzz ….

TheOtherWA @ 121

Thanks for the junior high/high school music flashbacks. I’m calling it a night.

And a reminder-

Katymine and I will be meeting up on 11/3 at 3pm at:
Blue Moose
4936 N.E. Fremont St
Portland, Oregon

Anyone in the area can join us…

Sweet dreams, firepups.

Hope you guys will liveblog it if you have wifi (and take pics)and/ or report back tomorrow night!

Suzanne @ 122

have fun tomorrow TOW and bring us back a full report (and pictures)

You know I will! Actually, this would be a very good time to check if the camera needs to be recharged.

Ok, really going now…

*poof*

wigwam @ 116

Suzanne @ 113

kitty is what newton has been calling the leopard OS

Does Newton like “kitty”? Does kitty like Newton?

Through email he briefly said it’s a completely new system from the ground up with a lot of problems.

wigwam @ 116

Suzanne @ 113

kitty is what newton has been calling the leopard OS

Does Newton like “kitty”? Does kitty like Newton?

Judging from the FB commentary seems a qualified approval, although some features seem to have disappeared that he took exception to…

Suzanne @ 120

wigwam, i don’t know… and i think newton is headed down to la for the socal pup meet up tomorrow. we will have to have loohoo ask him that.

I was thinking of going to Costa Mesa for the Sat. FDL thing and Loo Hoo, the other Hillaryite. Got called for jury duty on Thurs., screwed that road trip.

I learned how to splice tape with Scotch tape, little teeny pieces.

Suzanne @ 120

wigwam, i don’t know… and i think newton is headed down to la for the socal pup meet up tomorrow. we will have to have loohoo ask him that.

Where in CA is he?

Suzanne @ 120

wigwam, i don’t know… and i think newton is headed down to la for the socal pup meet up tomorrow. we will have to have loohoo ask him that.

It’s looking less and less like I can make that meetup. Damn!

In any case, the question of how knowledgeable user like Leopard is of interest.

Suzanne @ 119

trex, i got it all out of my system before i turned 18. helped later on having my juvenile record sealed

You and my brother. He was an ambitious little cuss. He managed to go from part time pothead to teenage speed freak to spaced out junkie to clean and sober all before he turned 18.

Me, I waited until my thirties to go completely off the deep end.

newton is .. oh geez, over the hill from me somewhere in the sfbay area

Jeez, my daughter just realized that she had $600 stolen from her wallet during a Halloween party. She is a mess. This is huge for a full time student, two day a week waitress.

TRex @ 133

Suzanne @ 119

trex, i got it all out of my system before i turned 18. helped later on having my juvenile record sealed

You and my brother. He was an ambitious little cuss. He managed to go from part time pothead to teenage speed freak to spaced out junkie to clean and sober all before he turned 18.

Me, I waited until my thirties to go completely off the deep end.

i transformed from the dfh to da man in less than a decade. joined the dept the day before my 26th birthday.

oh geez, loohoo, that sucks. why was she carrying that much cash at a party?

Oh Loo Hoo, that’s awful.

Steve-AR @ 129

Suzanne @ 120

wigwam, i don’t know… and i think newton is headed down to la for the socal pup meet up tomorrow. we will have to have loohoo ask him that.

I was thinking of going to Costa Mesa for the Sat. FDL thing and Loo Hoo, the other Hillaryite. Got called for jury duty on Thurs., screwed that road trip.

Well, dagnabbit! We’ll just have to do it again. And I cannot wait to hear about this trial that is taking forever when it’s all done. Sounds like fun! Suz and others lamented me having jury duty on my birthday, but I was hoping to get on a Cunningham-type trial!

peanutbutter @ 128

wigwam @ 116

Does Newton like “kitty”? Does kitty like Newton?

Judging from the FB commentary seems a qualified approval, although some features seem to have disappeared that he took exception to…

Truly new operating systems are very scary. There are almost always bugs to be worked out. “Let them be worked out on somebody else.”

Yet, the new features are often beautiful. And most of the future applications will take advantage of them. Sigh! “Resistance is futile!”

Margot @ 130

I learned how to splice tape with Scotch tape, little teeny pieces.

And they would play properly? That’s magic!

peanutbutter @ 131

Suzanne @ 120

wigwam, i don’t know… and i think newton is headed down to la for the socal pup meet up tomorrow. we will have to have loohoo ask him that.

Where in CA is he?

Bay area.

Alrighty, waaaaaay past my bedtime, and I have to get up bright and early!

To dig ditches. Yeah, that’s the ticket :-P

wigwam @ 140

peanutbutter @ 128

Judging from the FB commentary seems a qualified approval, although some features seem to have disappeared that he took exception to…

Truly new operating systems are very scary. There are almost always bugs to be worked out. “Let them be worked out on somebody else.”

Yet, the new features are often beautiful. And most of the future applications will take advantage of them. Sigh! “Resistance is futile!”

osx public beta was fun :D

Loo Hoo. @ 139

Steve-AR @ 129

I was thinking of going to Costa Mesa for the Sat. FDL thing and Loo Hoo, the other Hillaryite. Got called for jury duty on Thurs., screwed that road trip.

Well, dagnabbit! We’ll just have to do it again. And I cannot wait to hear about this trial that is taking forever when it’s all done. Sounds like fun! Suz and others lamented me having jury duty on my birthday, but I was hoping to get on a Cunningham-type trial!

It was just a call up for the “pool”. Child rape case..my name was never drawn for the 12. I have seen enough child abuse that I was very happy not to serve on this trial.

g’nite pb

lolHillary

wigwam @ 102

After reading Pach’s posting, I’ve got to ask a question: Is the enforcement of borders “de facto” racist?

So, okay, this question went over like a turd in a punchbowl. But, keep it in mind. It ain’t going away.

G’nite all.

g’nite wigwam

Suzanne @ 137

oh geez, loohoo, that sucks. why was she carrying that much cash at a party?

Just stupid, actually naive. She didn’t want to drive to the next town and make the deposit because she’d be going by the credit union the next day. Learned a hard lesson, for sure.

Loo Hoo. @ 135

Jeez, my daughter just realized that she had $600 stolen from her wallet during a Halloween party. She is a mess. This is huge for a full time student, two day a week waitress.

Oh, you know, I told my mom that once when I was in college when I had just gotten really stupid and overspent because I was nervous and scared and away from home and all my friends were spending money like crazy. My mom believed it for about a week, then called me and told me about the semester when she had done it in 1962.

I asked her what gave me away and she said, “Why would you be carrying five hundred dollars in cash in your book bag at a party? Were you planing on going into business as an Ecstasy dealer?”

Oh, wait.

Should I be telling you this?

i’m so sorry, loohoo – thats an expensive hard lesson for sure. no idea of who might have been involved? was it reported to the police?

Okay, Loo Hoo, if you don’t say something really soon, I am going to go to bed wondering if I have just kicked off a firestorm in your family life. Are you there?

Oh, TRex, maybe you should be telling me this. You think she’s possibly scamming me and tugging on the old $$$ heartstrings? Possible, I suppose. I’ll have to keep up the ‘ol ain’t got no money guard! But, not my baby!

fer sure???

yoohoo, loohoo

Uh-oh, what have you done Trex?

***cancelling yoohoo for loohoo, she has been located***

***cancelling THE LOOK given to Trex***

Suzanne @ 152

i’m so sorry, loohoo – thats an expensive hard lesson for sure. no idea of who might have been involved? was it reported to the police?

I don’t know. Good idea, though. Isn’t it weird that I never thought of having her report it? As though there’s no possibility of help through the system…

wigwam @ 148

wigwam @ 102

After reading Pach’s posting, I’ve got to ask a question: Is the enforcement of borders “de facto” racist?

So, okay, this question went over like a turd in a punchbowl. But, keep it in mind. It ain’t going away.

G’nite all.

turd in a punchbowl, lol! that kinda sums up my feeling.

My reactionary response is yes, the enforcement of borders is “de facto” racist. I would assume it is an issue on sovereignty and security but considering the people working themselves into a froth mouthed frenzy, it sure looks racist. I see them as sort sighted tools of the security industry.

well, ya won’t know unless she makes a report, loohoo. many times, victims in this situation will not want to because friends are involved. guess it depends on the parties at the party and how she feels about them and it.

but it may be worthwhile to talk to her about it.

School of hard knocks.. budgeting 101.

Loo Hoo. @ 159

Suzanne @ 152

i’m so sorry, loohoo – thats an expensive hard lesson for sure. no idea of who might have been involved? was it reported to the police?

I don’t know. Good idea, though. Isn’t it weird that I never thought of having her report it? As though there’s no possibility of help through the system…

I imagine that the likelihood that she’ll see the money again is pretty low but maybe other people at the party were robbed too.

how was it for you TRex to watch your twin go through all that so young?
how did patrick take it when you did it decade(s) later?

Loo Hoo. @ 154

Oh, TRex, maybe you should be telling me this. You think she’s possibly scamming me and tugging on the old $$$ heartstrings? Possible, I suppose. I’ll have to keep up the ‘ol ain’t got no money guard! But, not my baby!

fer sure???

I’ve seen oxy heads do some amazingly bad things that you’d never expect from someone you loved.

Eureka Springs @ 162

School of hard knocks.. budgeting 101.

Ain’t that the freaking truth. At least she’s living here and doesn’t risk losing life as she knows it. Truth be told, though, she has a $275 speeding ticket to pay, a $200 cell phone bill for going over her minutes, and jack in the bank. Life ain’t easy.

*gasping*

Here I am, here I am.

Firefox froze on me and I ended up having to restart the computer. I had to run around the building and come in the other door.

Loo Hoo. @ 154

Oh, TRex, maybe you should be telling me this. You think she’s possibly scamming me and tugging on the old $$$ heartstrings? Possible, I suppose. I’ll have to keep up the ‘ol ain’t got no money guard! But, not my baby!

fer sure???

Just something to consider. My mom always had that psychic instinct for spotting a lie. I never understood it until I’d been with my husband for about three years and he said something to me and it came out of his mouth flashing, “LIE!! BIG LIE!! LIIIIEE!!” in red all over.

I just know that in college I made some mistakes, mostly with money. One of the hardest things for any person to do is ask someone for money. It’s got all kinds of shame connotations. She’s just a kid. She may have been robbed, too.

Like Gorbachev said, “Trust, but verify.”

Hiya, pups!

Back from another rehearsal – the dress rehearsal for my Sinfonietta, it premieres tomorrow evening.

33 F and snowing very lightly.

happy birthday ET

Funny how Suzanne approaches every situation from the law enforcement perspective, and I’m always looking at it from the, “Oh, *I* remember when I did that!”

TRex @ 170

Funny how Suzanne approaches every situation from the law enforcement perspective, and I’m always looking at it from the, “Oh, *I* remember when I did that!”

we balance each other, trex – is why we get along so well :)

tw3k @ 160

wigwam @ 148

So, okay, this question went over like a turd in a punchbowl. But, keep it in mind. It ain’t going away.

G’nite all.

turd in a punchbowl, lol! that kinda sums up my feeling.

My reactionary response is yes, the enforcement of borders is “de facto” racist. I would assume it is an issue on sovereignty and security but considering the people working themselves into a froth mouthed frenzy, it sure looks racist. I see them as sort sighted tools of the security industry.

border enforcement.
i read it as “boarder” enforcement.

hey, what about all that wide open
Canadian boarders, er, borders. eh?
(and the wild open canadian boarders too!)

i like australia’s borders.
what’s it take to expat to aus?

Suzanne @ 169

happy birthday ET

maybe where you are. I’ve got another 21 minutes of being a 60yo…
Thanks!

Suzanne @ 171

TRex @ 170

Funny how Suzanne approaches every situation from the law enforcement perspective, and I’m always looking at it from the, “Oh, *I* remember when I did that!”

we balance each other, trex – is why we get along so well :)

yin and yang

sorry, et, you are older here than there.

TRex @ 167

*gasping*

Here I am, here I am.

Firefox froze on me and I ended up having to restart the computer. I had to run around the building and come in the other door.

Loo Hoo. @ 154

Oh, TRex, maybe you should be telling me this. You think she’s possibly scamming me and tugging on the old $$$ heartstrings? Possible, I suppose. I’ll have to keep up the ‘ol ain’t got no money guard! But, not my baby!

fer sure???

Just something to consider. My mom always had that psychic instinct for spotting a lie. I never understood it until I’d been with my husband for about three years and he said something to me and it came out of his mouth flashing, “LIE!! BIG LIE!! LIIIIEE!!” in red all over.

I just know that in college I made some mistakes, mostly with money. One of the hardest things for any person to do is ask someone for money. It’s got all kinds of shame connotations. She’s just a kid. She may have been robbed, too.

Like Gorbachev said, “Trust, but verify.”

you are a brave man to be so kind with your intuitive wisdom, sir.

well done.

Suzanne @ 175

sorry, et, you are older here than there.

Einstein is involved.
relatively.

Suzanne @ 175

sorry, et, you are older here than there.

I’ll probably feel A LOT older Sunday, after the post-concert party…

Happy Birthday ET!!!

Ed*ard Teller @ 173

Suzanne @ 169

happy birthday ET

maybe where you are. I’ve got another 21 minutes of being a 60yo…
Thanks!

60 is no big deal..55 was the age were I realized I couldn’t stay awake and work for 72 hours straight..that was a shock.

Good night, have to be up for the party tomorrow! Car wash, drive, best costume jewelry, you know!

i’m feeling so young on this thread with this being my joker year.

Ed*ard Teller @ 173

Suzanne @ 169

happy birthday ET

maybe where you are. I’ve got another 21 minutes of being a 60yo…
Thanks!

Not where I am ET, here you’ve been a birthday boy for almost 17 hours already. So happy, happy birthday. Nervous about the performance tomorrow night?

Suzanne @ 175

sorry, et, you are older here than there.

A real geezer here!

feliz cumpleaños, ET

G’night, Loo Hoo.

And remember, you have a great chance to win super-cool mom points here by saying, “You can tell me the truth and I won’t blow up or freak out or punish you. Just do NOT do this again. You only get so many of these before I cash in my chips and sell your organs on the black market. Now, how much money do you need?”

YDJ: i like australia’s borders.
what’s it take to expat to aus?
————————————-
Right at the moment, a hole in the head. 3 weeks until our election after which it will either be safe to emigrate here or I’ll be looking for somewhere to move to.

you headed to bed trex? sleep well and not on the sofa please.

Thanks, TRex. I’ll be cool and level-headed in this dealio. Thanks for the smack!

Steve-AR @ 180

Ed*ard Teller @ 173

maybe where you are. I’ve got another 21 minutes of being a 60yo…
Thanks!

60 is no big deal..55 was the age were I realized I couldn’t stay awake and work for 72 hours straight..that was a shock.

Geez, thanks Steve. I turn 55 next month. Guess I’ll have to cancel the 3-day orgy I had planned.

persiflage @ 183

Ed*ard Teller @ 173

maybe where you are. I’ve got another 21 minutes of being a 60yo…
Thanks!

Not where I am ET, here you’ve been a birthday boy for almost 17 hours already. So happy, happy birthday. Nervous about the performance tomorrow night?

Yeah. All my other works for orchestra I’ve written as an adult were for professional orchestras, where everyone is there for every rehearsal. This is a “Civic” orchestra, and a lot of the woodwinds and most of the percussion section are involved in rehearsals for Mozart’s “Abduction from the Seraglio,” which premieres next week. So, some of them have missed most of the last rehearsals, including tonight’s. I’m not pissed, just – as you query – nervous. The orchestra seems to love the piece, though, which is challenging them, so – we’ll have fun.

Loo Hoo. @ 189

Thanks, TRex. I’ll be cool and level-headed in this dealio. Thanks for the smack!

And there’s always the chance that she is telling the truth.

I dunno, though, one reason I think my mom could always tell when I was lying was that when she would offer me an opportunity to actually tell the truth, I would always jump at it.

I’m lazy that way. Lies are a LOT of work to maintain.

persiflage @ 187

YDJ: i like australia’s borders.
what’s it take to expat to aus?
————————————-
Right at the moment, a hole in the head. 3 weeks until our election after which it will either be safe to emigrate here or I’ll be looking for somewhere to move to.

i hear that:
i live in texas.
we never know what republican will be governor next and then try to take over the world.
folks want to enforce borders:
to keep the (____) oklahomans out.
look a lot like canadians to me!

/SNARK!

loohoo, i had a deal with my girls they could call me and get picked up no questions asked. never had to do it but it did encourage some other open talks about other stuff.

And with that, I’m off to bed.

I hope that someday soon I can be a parent of some kind, or at least participate in the molding of a future citizen as a responsible elder.

Really, when I grow up, I want to be like Dumbledore. And I’ve felt that way for years, not just because he’s out of the closet now.

I would settle for being Gandalf.

g’nite trex – i’d settle for being able to twitch my nose like bewitched or do the head nod like jeanie.

Suzanne @ 194

loohoo, i had a deal with my girls they could call me and get picked up no questions asked. never had to do it but it did encourage some other open talks about other stuff.

I have an I’ll pay for the taxi deal.

And yes, TRex, she could well be telling the truth. (The younger daughter is more on the question mark status, but she’s with dad now, praise the holy ones.)

OK – I guess it’s my birthday. Thanks, Suzanne!

Suzanne @ 194

loohoo, i had a deal with my girls they could call me and get picked up no questions asked. never had to do it but it did encourage some other open talks about other stuff.

You are a good mom.. My parents didn’t care if a GF and I were getting rug burns down in the living room..the important thing was that the kids were safe.

happy birthday to you
happy birthday to you
happy birthday dear e t
happy birthday to you

… and many more

y’all already know about google Earth 4.2
it will show how the heavens appear above your location and a lot more.

see http://earth.google.com/sky/skyedu.html

ET, I can understand your nervousness. I’m sure it will go well. I’ll send positive thoughts your way. It must be exciting, sending your work out into the world.

persiflage @ 202

ET, I can understand your nervousness. I’m sure it will go well. I’ll send positive thoughts your way. It must be exciting, sending your work out into the world.

Always! Uh, Ms. ET hinted at a birthday present, so I’m outta the lake ’til tomorrow later today. Night, pups.

g’nite et and break a leg

yellowdog jim @ 201

y’all already know about google Earth 4.2
it will show how the heavens appear above your location and a lot more.

see http://earth.google.com/sky/skyedu.html

Wow, that’s nifty. I’ll need to wait until Mr Persi gets back from working because he’s got the laptop. Otherwise I’ll be running from the PC inside out into the yard to check the sky and back in etc etc. Easier to take the laptop out with us.

Happy Birthday, Edward!!!

was way kewl, ydj, thanks

Nighty night ET.

loohoo, do we have to wait for et to eat that? my stars, that is good looking

tw3k @ 160

wigwam @ 148

So, okay, this question went over like a turd in a punchbowl. But, keep it in mind. It ain’t going away.

G’nite all.

turd in a punchbowl, lol! that kinda sums up my feeling.

My reactionary response is yes, the enforcement of borders is “de facto” racist. I would assume it is an issue on sovereignty and security but considering the people working themselves into a froth mouthed frenzy, it sure looks racist. I see them as sort sighted tools of the security industry.

Oops! Couldn’t go to sleep.

When I said “de facto”, I was trying to separate the question of the motivations of this or that protesting group from the underlying issue. To put it succinctly: Can someone oppose unrestricted immigration without being “racist”?

wigwam, i believe so. there can be limits based on ability to absorb total numbers on a yearly basis that can be determined without taking race into account.

For example, if we said we could handle 100,000 new immigrants (pulling number outta hat), then when 100,00 was reached, that would be it for the year.

wigwam, you asked a question of us earlier, and I didn’t understand it. Course I can’t even remember the question…

Wigwam: When I said “de facto”, I was trying to separate the question of the motivations of this or that protesting group from the underlying issue. To put it succinctly: Can someone oppose unrestricted immigration without being “racist”?
—————————————

If you propose restricting migration, then those restrictions will be fair and not racist only if race plays no part in the selection of migrants.

wigwam, yes. We can definitely oppose illegal immigration without being racist. Seems to me, though, that the issue now is to block the borders and find out who is freaking here.

persiflage @ 205

yellowdog jim @ 201

y’all already know about google Earth 4.2
it will show how the heavens appear above your location and a lot more.

see http://earth.google.com/sky/skyedu.html

Wow, that’s nifty. I’ll need to wait until Mr Persi gets back from working because he’s got the laptop. Otherwise I’ll be running from the PC inside out into the yard to check the sky and back in etc etc. Easier to take the laptop out with us.

sounds like good fun.
try the earth part too:
enter your street address and let it zoom in to maybe 50 or 100 feet above your roof?

i am considering putting a sign on my roof with a profound message for the spies.

I’ve seen the Google Earth image, I could actually see into my back yard. Fortunately, it wasn’t on a day when I’d been nude sunbathing.

sweet dreams to all firepups

wigwam @ 210

tw3k @ 160

turd in a punchbowl, lol! that kinda sums up my feeling.

My reactionary response is yes, the enforcement of borders is “de facto” racist. I would assume it is an issue on sovereignty and security but considering the people working themselves into a froth mouthed frenzy, it sure looks racist. I see them as sort sighted tools of the security industry.

Oops! Couldn’t go to sleep.

When I said “de facto”, I was trying to separate the question of the motivations of this or that protesting group from the underlying issue. To put it succinctly: Can someone oppose unrestricted immigration without being “racist”?

I would think so and I would to think that the issue could be address in an inclusive fashion.

what are you thinking about?

g’nite ydj

My concern is that people who oppose unrestricted immigration seem to be de-facto castigated as racist.

It seems to me that there are any number of good reasons to restrict immigration and to do so on “qualifications.” To put it bluntly, are we interested in benefiting from a brain drain or a brawn drain?

Without making judgements on which is preferable and which is represented by which ethnic flow, there remains the question of whether it is racist to restrict:
– total numbers
– numbers based on professional qualifications
– etc.

These are not easy questions. But I’d like to consider them abstractly for a moment. Then we can get to the heated question of whether this or that commentator is being racist. ;-)

wigwam, i have no idea what the backstory is on your request and whether or not it goes to this or that person being racist. but abstractly, yes, i think we can, in a perfect world maybe, be able to have open immigration policies that do include limits, whether total number per year or certain professions encouraged without being racist.

if there is a need, fill it. if there is room, take em. kinda how i look at it.

I’m a bit of a Malthusian. I’m of the opinion that we’ve moved from labor economics to resource economics, and resources (e.g., water) are getting ever scarcer.

IMHO, in the future, the major political divisions are going to be Mathalusians vs. Cornucopians.

I’m convinced that technology can overcome a lot, but the earth’s resources are indeed limited.

But, if we have resources, is it moral for us to preserve our way of life by forcing others to stay away?

wigwam @ 220

My concern is that people who oppose unrestricted immigration seem to be de-facto castigated as racist.

It seems to me that there are any number of good reasons to restrict immigration and to do so on “qualifications.” To put it bluntly, are we interested in benefiting from a brain drain or a brawn drain?

Without making judgements on which is preferable and which is represented by which ethnic flow, there remains the question of whether it is racist to restrict:
– total numbers
– numbers based on professional qualifications
– etc.

These are not easy questions. But I’d like to consider them abstractly for a moment. Then we can get to the heated question of whether this or that commentator is being racist. ;-)

I really haven’t thought much the issue myself. It seems whenever I hear anything about the issue it is media driven narrative that make my eyes roll. You bring up good points of interest. Additionally I’d like to hear more about the companies and lobbies that profit from the security apparatus.

Take for instance the ID the drivers license issue. I oppose the idea on the grounds that the ID is RealID compliant. It helps to lay the groundwork for a National RealID system and frankly our current government isn’t worthy of that responsibility.

i do not know. well, you’ve given me something to think about wigwam while getting ready for bed. i’m sure i’ll still be chewing on it in the morning.

g’nite all

Suzanne @ 224

i do not know. well, you’ve given me something to think about wigwam while getting ready for bed. i’m sure i’ll still be chewing on it in the morning.

g’nite all

G’nite Suzanne and everyone. Pleasant dreams.

wigwam @ 222

I’m a bit of a Malthusian. I’m of the opinion that we’ve moved from labor economics to resource economics, and resources (e.g., water) are getting ever scarcer.

IMHO, in the future, the major political divisions are going to be Mathalusians vs. Cornucopians.

I’m convinced that technology can overcome a lot, but the earth’s resources are indeed limited.

But, if we have resources, is it moral for us to preserve our way of life by forcing others to stay away?

Seems like of the current politics is Mathalusians vs. Cornucopians.

I am an eternal optimist and I too believe that technology paired with humanitarian interests can overcome many of the problems the world will face.

It is an old adage but “think globally” works. I think we’ll eventually reach a point were thinking terms of us and them will no longer be practical.

I’m an optimist, so…

Is it just me, are is there an alarming lack of public fretting over this supposedly imminent Iraqi dam collapse? The American public, if it didn’t care at all about Iraqi casualties, shouldn’t we all be scared stiff for our soldiers? I doubt they’re on any higher ground than the civilians are.

How’s the prospect of losing tens of thousands of them at one stroke grab people? And the survivors, in the chaos that would ensue, with hostiles all around, I wouldn’t be too sanguine about their chances, either, would you?

Seems to me we should be talking about this more.

Apologies for going insomniac on you all, but I just noticed that over at DailyKos, two of the eight recommended diaries are from U.S. Senators, Kerry and Kennedy, in this case. But the significance of U.S. senators going to the blogs to make their cases will blow the minds of the MSM.

hey wigwam – i’m away too.

but my brain isn’t.

away awake

once the clock hit’s 6, i’ll give up on sleep and make some coffee.

ding

wigwam @ 222

I’m a bit of a Malthusian. I’m of the opinion that we’ve moved from labor economics to resource economics, and resources (e.g., water) are getting ever scarcer.

IMHO, in the future, the major political divisions are going to be Mathalusians vs. Cornucopians.

I’m convinced that technology can overcome a lot, but the earth’s resources are indeed limited.

But, if we have resources, is it moral for us to preserve our way of life by forcing others to stay away?

probably everybody is now asleep ……

my answer to “is it moral? is, no. plus: i don’t see how we’re going to “force others to stay away”. we don’t even control our ports, and congress isn’t going to pay for hiring enough people to keep more than 10% of those trying to get in out.

the bigger issue is: population.

there is no way in hell that we can cap the population world wide. for some reason or other people just won’t stop fucking. and so the world as we know it will come to a cataclysm. maybe it will be famine, maybe a nuclear holocaust. and there is no solution because there is no political will to have one.

meanwhile, find joy and be good to each other.

hi folks,

i thought i was ranting to an empty sanctuary ……

the future’s uncertain
and the end is always near

let it roll baby roll

J. Morrision

Road House Blues

Suzanne @ 200

happy birthday to you
happy birthday to you
happy birthday dear e t
happy birthday to you

… and many more

Happy Birthday ET

raven @ 234

the future’s uncertain
and the end is always near

let it roll baby roll

J. Morrision

Road House Blues

a guy who knew how to shake the foundations …….

fahrender @ 232

wigwam @ 222

I’m a bit of a Malthusian. I’m of the opinion that we’ve moved from labor economics to resource economics, and resources (e.g., water) are getting ever scarcer.

IMHO, in the future, the major political divisions are going to be Mathalusians vs. Cornucopians.

I’m convinced that technology can overcome a lot, but the earth’s resources are indeed limited.

But, if we have resources, is it moral for us to preserve our way of life by forcing others to stay away?

Service industry. Wonder what percentage of the American population works at Wal Mart?

probably everybody is now asleep ……

my answer to “is it moral? is, no. plus: i don’t see how we’re going to “force others to stay away”. we don’t even control our ports, and congress isn’t going to pay for hiring enough people to keep more than 10% of those trying to get in out.

the bigger issue is: population.

there is no way in hell that we can cap the population world wide. for some reason or other people just won’t stop fucking. and so the world as we know it will come to a cataclysm. maybe it will be famine, maybe a nuclear holocaust. and there is no solution because there is no political will to have one.

meanwhile, find joy and be good to each other.

I thought the service industry was people who worked in food service and bars?

J @ 237

fahrender @ 232

Service industry. Wonder what percentage of the American population works at Wal Mart?

probably everybody is now asleep ……

my answer to “is it moral? is, no. plus: i don’t see how we’re going to “force others to stay away”. we don’t even control our ports, and congress isn’t going to pay for hiring enough people to keep more than 10% of those trying to get in out.

the bigger issue is: population.

there is no way in hell that we can cap the population world wide. for some reason or other people just won’t stop fucking. and so the world as we know it will come to a cataclysm. maybe it will be famine, maybe a nuclear holocaust. and there is no solution because there is no political will to have one.

meanwhile, find joy and be good to each other.

Wonder what percentage of the American people work at Wal Mart?

raven @ 238

I thought the service industry was people who worked in food service and bars?

Not sure but think ’service industry” includes more than just food and bar service…maids, Wal Mart, service stations, health care providers

Not sure but think ’service industry” includes more than just food and bar service…maids, Wal Mart, service stations, health care providers

You are right:

The tertiary sector of industry involves the provision of services to businesses as well as final consumers. Services may involve the transport, distribution and sale of goods from producer to a consumer as may happen in wholesaling and retailing, or may involve the provision of a service, such as in pest control or entertainment. Goods may be transformed in the process of providing a service, as happens in the restaurant industry or in equipment repair. However, the focus is on people interacting with people and serving the customer rather than transforming physical goods

I was thinking of this Athens band:

Workhorses of the Entertainment/ Recreational Industry

O HAI yawl. I’ve given up on sleep tonight.

I have a friend in the Sierra Club who claims she is Malthusian resource anti-immigration advocate. Strangely she has a roommate who was a recent immigrant from England at the same time as she was arguing this. He was working on the sly. She seemed to approve of THIS! I pointed out that her main beef seemed not to be with Europeans but with Latin Americans and Asians on this issue. It ended our friendship.

I suppose that if we are going to consistent on the resource depletion issue then to be fair we should stop importing other nations resources too. Consider that we set up factories abroad that despoil the water and air…while we say don’t come here and despoil the water and air that we have preserved because we produce goods abroad in your countries.

At the same time most other nations also have similar immigration restrictions, some much, much worse. Many nations will not allow any long-term residents the possibility of naturalized citizenship, property ownership, etc. In some cases, in the case of mixed marriage, the children are not considered citizens, even if born in the country.

I know of no nation that has open borders. that doesn’t regulate admission by assessing whether the individual has either a job offer, in advance…or will contribute substantial amounts of money as a tourist, investor, or high-end retiree. My concern here is that immigrants than can get jobs in a better managed system (with decent pay and benefit protections) are exploited by criminal “snakeheads”, agri-businessmen, and contractors.

We all benefit from this cheap undocumented labor, at the supermarket, in our restaurants, and when we buy a house. But we are not willing to make these folks legitimate participants in our economy.

fourmorewars @ 227

Is it just me, are is there an alarming lack of public fretting over this supposedly imminent Iraqi dam collapse? The American public, if it didn’t care at all about Iraqi casualties, shouldn’t we all be scared stiff for our soldiers? I doubt they’re on any higher ground than the civilians are.

How’s the prospect of losing tens of thousands of them at one stroke grab people? And the survivors, in the chaos that would ensue, with hostiles all around, I wouldn’t be too sanguine about their chances, either, would you?

Seems to me we should be talking about this more.

Well Petraeus seems to think he’s got it under control; and what’s good enough for Ge. P is good enough for me! ;-)

Actually most of our bases (outside of Kurdistan and Western Iraq) are pretty much aligned right in the path of the waters of that dam. It would be catastrophic to the US military as well as the Iraqi people.

OTOH when the tsunami hit Aceh in Indonesia there was a civil war going on there as well. Both the Acehnese population, the independance movement and the Indonesian army lost thousands of people. The war was put on standstill and eventually a peace pact was signed with both the military and the rebels giving up lmajor demands that feuled their long conflict.

Morning pups.

Look at all the good conversation that happens after I fall asleep.

hmmmm, coffee.

morning all! and texbetsy – very nice to see you at this time of day!

I am always EPU’d and left talking to insomniacs as a result of being a half globe away from you guys.

selise @ 247

hmmmm, coffee.

morning all! and texbetsy – very nice to see you at this time of day!

Lova ya Selise, But I’d rather be seeing pleasant dreams along the insides of my eyelids.

cinnamonape @ 248

I am always EPU’d and left talking to insomniacs as a result of being a half globe away from you guys.

Where are you located?

8 new news stories since midnight, 20 since this time yesterday.

Reality Based News Feed

Going to try the sleep thing again. Back at a more reasonable hour (I hope!)

cinnamonape @ 244 –

i don’t know from Malthusian or Cornucopian.

but that doesn’t stop me from having an opinion!

here’s my (tentative) view… as a moral issue, i don’t have any more right to live my life in the usa vs any other other human on the planet – just dumb luck of having been born here. so, i’d like to see open borders.

but one can’t ignore that large migrations can be extraordinarily destabilizing – politically, socially and economically.

so, what to do?

instead of focusing on “controlling” our borders – and wasting a ton of resources on that… why not spend our efforts on addressing the causes of the migration pressure? if there wasn’t such a large number of people trying/needing to come here, there wouldn’t be a “problem”.

i don’t like gated communties and i don’t like what they do to our thinking (us vs. them). and i especially don’t like gate communities when they’re called nations.

Good Morning!

brrr…

(((TexBetsy)))

wishing you sweet and comfortable sleep.

cinnamonape @ 248

I am always EPU’d and left talking to insomniacs as a result of being a half globe away from you guys.

where are you?

Good morning!

TRex @ 195

And with that, I’m off to bed.

I hope that someday soon I can be a parent of some kind, or at least participate in the molding of a future citizen as a responsible elder.

Really, when I grow up, I want to be like Dumbledore. And I’ve felt that way for years, not just because he’s out of the closet now.

I would settle for being Gandalf.

May I humbly suggest becoming a middle school teacher? Teachers are my favorite people. Middle school teachers are my all time favorite people.

Find a school that teaches in teams. You will share the same group of kids and meet each day to discuss them.

The growth in these years – 6th through 8th – rivals the infancy through toddler years for amazing growth. The energy is overwhelming at first, until your nerves of steel develop.

Years ago an elegant white haired art teacher spoke at the funeral of AIDs victim. His coming out at that funeral changed our school, and it became a safe place to be gay and teach.

I stumbled in when my kid was that age and I decided to work outside the house. I started working with kids with special needs (I thought I’d work in a school office but the HR person asked me to interview at the middle school) and I’ve never looked back.

I sat beside that art teacher for many lunches until he retired. We’ve lost our way without him – he was the heart of the teachers – but we’re coming back.

You have his same wicked sense of humor.

egregious @ 257

Good morning!

Good morning from the left coast!

Elliott @ 254

Good Morning!

brrr…

Nice and warm here in California… not really.

newtonusr – wow, you’re up early.

selise @ 261

newtonusr – wow, you’re up early.

Leaving now for the SoCal meetup now. Bit of a drive, don’t you know.
How are you, selise?

newtonusr @ 262

selise @ 261

newtonusr – wow, you’re up early.

Leaving now for the SoCal meetup now. Bit of a drive, don’t you know.
How are you, selise?

Wish I could go too. Say hi to everybody from egr.

newtonusr @ 262

Leaving now for the SoCal meetup now. Bit of a drive, don’t you know.

that’s great! i’m so glad for all of you (and a little bit jealous *g*)… have a safe drive and wonderful time meeting up with other firepups. can’t wait to hear all about it.

Good Morning everyone!

Good morning, pups. Today the Times has Gail Collins and Bob Herbert. Collins writes about something Mike Huckabee and the rest of that primary gang seem to have their knickers in a twist about that I had never really heard of, or paid any attention to. She calls her column “My Favorite Menace.” Mr. Herbert tells us that Lonnie Lynam died at age 45. The cause of death was cancer, aided and abetted by an absurd, unnecessary and utterly unconscionable absence of health insurance.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and because I’m feeling friskier than I expected after yesterday’s bout at the periodontist I’ve got waffles with a yummy gingered peach sauce. Enjoy, and have a great Saturday. (It feels like Sunday to me because I wasn’t in the office yesterday!)

Don’t those waffles smell good!

cinnamonape @ 245

fourmorewars @ 227

Is it just me, are is there an alarming lack of public fretting over this supposedly imminent Iraqi dam collapse? The American public, if it didn’t care at all about Iraqi casualties, shouldn’t we all be scared stiff for our soldiers? I doubt they’re on any higher ground than the civilians are.

How’s the prospect of losing tens of thousands of them at one stroke grab people? And the survivors, in the chaos that would ensue, with hostiles all around, I wouldn’t be too sanguine about their chances, either, would you?

Seems to me we should be talking about this more.

Well Petraeus seems to think he’s got it under control; and what’s good enough for Ge. P is good enough for me! ;-)

Actually most of our bases (outside of Kurdistan and Western Iraq) are pretty much aligned right in the path of the waters of that dam. It would be catastrophic to the US military as well as the Iraqi people.

OTOH when the tsunami hit Aceh in Indonesia there was a civil war going on there as well. Both the Acehnese population, the independance movement and the Indonesian army lost thousands of people. The war was put on standstill and eventually a peace pact was signed with both the military and the rebels giving up lmajor demands that feuled their long conflict.

Isn’t the Greenzone where they built the new American embassy? Maybe the Diplomats who don’t want to go to Iraq should list the reasons why Iraq is differnt than Vietnam and we shouldn’t have an embassy there.
Being downstream from an unstable dam in a country where they like blowing up bridges is stupid/insane/Bushian.
Why have Diplomats in a country which is not secure no matter what Bush and Gen Petraeus says? Diplomats arrange things our government wants to do with the host country.
Which is kind of hard to do if you can’t leave the Greenzone without a convey of troops.
Also despite what Bush says the Iraqi government is a puppet government supported by and getting legitamacy directly from us. Why have diplomats to politely arrange things in a country where we say jump they jump?
Why have diplomats in a country that will fall into civil war the second we leave? No Oil Contracts signed by our puppet government will be valid after that government is gone.
Aren’t the Turks about to invade the Northern Kurds? Thats bound to anger the one group that still likes us in Iraq plus their land is near or controls Mosul and the Dam!
But of course as Condi says nobody could reasonably forsee what will happen. Yeah Right! only in a land where the blind preside over a country of Spineless Representives could nobody forsee that the Mosul Dam is a target.
Us over 70%ers who have both Eyes and Spines have to insist that dam gets fixed.
Bechtel is going to get Arther Andersoned by this administrion if that Mosul dam collapses. I wonder who else will be sacrificed to protect Bush?
Petraeus most certainly, the Army Corp of Engineers well unless their recomandations were ignored and they kept proof of that, then their going down.
Iran in the confusion will be blamed as a reflex without investigation as the MSM obiedently reports WH spin which they damm well know could not have been investigated.
Which could not have been based on intelience because all our inteligence is wrong in the Middle East.
That plus why didn’t we try and stop the Dam from collapsing if we had inteligence?
Funny how our inteligence is always wrong and always says what ever helps Bush out today that and how the MSM still believes this everytime like Charlie Brown when Lucy holds a football our MSM is the most guilable bunch ever!
I dream of selling them and Bush used cars! or playing Poker with these Pigeons when there flush! Oh and I’ve forgotten how to play.

I’d like to take this and flip my middle to Schumer and Difi.

Millineryman @ 269

I’d like to take this and flip my middle to Schumer and Difi.

i’d like to be a constant presence protesting where ever they go – so they never are able to forget what they have done.

Things Come Undone @ 268 –

is it even possible to fix the dam? or does another one have to be built?

The Bush economy is doing great I caught Bobo sayig a week or two ago its just that the administration hasn’t sold the American people on the idea.
Fox’s New’s new business channel wants to do more sweet positive business stories, for those diabetics looking to end it all quick.
Merille Lynch on the other hand just let their CEO O’Neal go because of nearly $8 billion dollars in losses this quarter. Charles Prince CEO of Citigroup was let go after losing a mere $5.9 billion.
Where is the outrage Corporate CEOs at some of the countrie’s biggest finnacial insitutions are losing their jobs!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11…..1194235200

Pull Up A Chair is ready for you.

selise @ 271

Things Come Undone @ 268 –

is it even possible to fix the dam? or does another one have to be built?

We won’t know until we get an honest report on the condition of the dam. That and how far the water soluable Gypsum/Chalk layer extends down stream. Building another dam on Gypsum would be a waste of time.

selise @ 270

Millineryman @ 269

I’d like to take this and flip my middle to Schumer and Difi.

i’d like to be a constant presence protesting where ever they go – so they never are able to forget what they have done.

I am on my third cup of tea and I am still bloody fuming. If it wasn’t for all the lake dogs I would be in total despair with the whole fuc**ng mess. It is going to take stacking a cord of wood to settle me down. What can we do with these repugdems?

nomolos @ 275

selise @ 270

i’d like to be a constant presence protesting where ever they go – so they never are able to forget what they have done.

I am on my third cup of tea and I am still bloody fuming. If it wasn’t for all the lake dogs I would be in total despair with the whole fuc**ng mess. It is going to take stacking a cord of wood to settle me down. What can we do with these repugdems?

i don’t know… and the feeling of despair is pretty bad this morning. just read christy’s morning post and decided not to comment in the new thread for fear of giving folks a downer.

(selise)

thanks sunny.

i really should give myself a kick in the ass.

Mommy, why is the lady in the video dressed like a clown?

Here is some chair-dancing music!