Comments on: Looking for a Candidate with True Grit http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:25:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Rick Taylor http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072544 Rick Taylor Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:13:07 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072544 <p>I find it difficult to vote for Clinton (or for Edwards or for Dodd) after their vote to authorize the President to go to war in Iraq. Voting against a war of aggression to overthrow a government was not a close call, and the disastrous aftermath should not have been a complete surprise. It is hard for me to imagine voting for someone for the highest office who had either the poor judgement or character to support the invasion.</p> <p>That said, the more I see of Clinton, the more I like her. Even incidents like this which are supposed to be her mistakes increase my opinion of her. If it weren’t for that one vote, I’d support her now without hesitation. I still may end up being convinced.</p> I find it difficult to vote for Clinton (or for Edwards or for Dodd) after their vote to authorize the President to go to war in Iraq. Voting against a war of aggression to overthrow a government was not a close call, and the disastrous aftermath should not have been a complete surprise. It is hard for me to imagine voting for someone for the highest office who had either the poor judgement or character to support the invasion.

That said, the more I see of Clinton, the more I like her. Even incidents like this which are supposed to be her mistakes increase my opinion of her. If it weren’t for that one vote, I’d support her now without hesitation. I still may end up being convinced.

]]> By: Stogo http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072467 Stogo Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:20:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072467 <p>One more thing, the darling of Rupert “Faux-News” Murdoch..</p> One more thing, the darling of Rupert “Faux-News” Murdoch..

]]> By: Stogo http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072454 Stogo Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:15:40 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072454 <p>Tanbark where are you at? It’s Hillary again. Pretending she represents us and therefore deserves our support and stuff.<br /> People here is her record;<br /> Hillary supported Joe “F*ck the progressives” Liebermann<br /> Supported Liebermann-Kyl<br /> Vote for the war on Iraq<br /> Supports nuking Iran<br /> Bought and paid for by A*PAC, BigPHARMA and defence contractors<br /> Any one here supports these?</p> Tanbark where are you at? It’s Hillary again. Pretending she represents us and therefore deserves our support and stuff.
People here is her record;
Hillary supported Joe “F*ck the progressives” Liebermann
Supported Liebermann-Kyl
Vote for the war on Iraq
Supports nuking Iran
Bought and paid for by A*PAC, BigPHARMA and defence contractors
Any one here supports these?

]]> By: Al http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072392 Al Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072392 <p>Yeah she’s real tough with her back and forth on drivers licenses. “i’m running on my White House experience, but you can’t review the documents” Real tough Hillary.</p> Yeah she’s real tough with her back and forth on drivers licenses. “i’m running on my White House experience, but you can’t review the documents” Real tough Hillary.

]]> By: Jill http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072341 Jill Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:52:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072341 <p>If Hillary Clinton is so tough, then why is the playing the “Oh, poor me, beating beaten up by those mean boys” card? Hell, if she’s going to feel put upon when genteel men like John Edwards and Barack Obama dare to question her, what the hell is she going to do with Rudy Giuliani?</p> <p>Sorry — she can’t have it both ways.</p> If Hillary Clinton is so tough, then why is the playing the “Oh, poor me, beating beaten up by those mean boys” card? Hell, if she’s going to feel put upon when genteel men like John Edwards and Barack Obama dare to question her, what the hell is she going to do with Rudy Giuliani?

Sorry — she can’t have it both ways.

]]> By: David Ehrenstein http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072247 David Ehrenstein Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:55:50 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072247 <p>That’s right Jane. John Edwards is “The Breck Girl.”</p> <p>REAL men wear women’s panties and offer hustlers a thousand dollars to fuck them without a condom.</p> That’s right Jane. John Edwards is “The Breck Girl.”

REAL men wear women’s panties and offer hustlers a thousand dollars to fuck them without a condom.

]]> By: brendan http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072210 brendan Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:24:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072210 <p>Well said, Swopa. I think I agree with this solely because of her “right wing conspiracy” statement, the only chink in her persona I’ve witnessed. To put it bluntly, I think Clinton is strong and Edwards and Obama are weak, even if relatively more enlightened.</p> <p>It’s a measure of how inoperative democracy is that the best we can do, after casting our votes in the primaries against the ultimate winner, Clinton, is to hope that she has a “secret plan” to end the war and the strength to do it. But she’s probably just the ultimate Lucy.</p> Well said, Swopa. I think I agree with this solely because of her “right wing conspiracy” statement, the only chink in her persona I’ve witnessed. To put it bluntly, I think Clinton is strong and Edwards and Obama are weak, even if relatively more enlightened.

It’s a measure of how inoperative democracy is that the best we can do, after casting our votes in the primaries against the ultimate winner, Clinton, is to hope that she has a “secret plan” to end the war and the strength to do it. But she’s probably just the ultimate Lucy.

]]> By: jane hamsher http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072100 jane hamsher Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:13:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1072100 <p>I personally try to avoid all right-wing frames of Democratic candidates whever possible, though it’s not always. But the hyper-masculinization of commnder codpiece and Shooter is made easier when we feminize ours and call the ‘pretty boyz.’</p> <p>I probably would personally try to find another way to put it.</p> I personally try to avoid all right-wing frames of Democratic candidates whever possible, though it’s not always. But the hyper-masculinization of commnder codpiece and Shooter is made easier when we feminize ours and call the ‘pretty boyz.’

I probably would personally try to find another way to put it.

]]> By: Maia http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1071995 Maia Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:04:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1071995 <p>Her “experience”? She’s been in the senate for like 7 years. She was First Lady for 8 years — does that actually count?? I don’t get it. Biden and Dodd have been in the Senate my whole life. She’s one of the greenest candidates up there.</p> <p>And even if she was as experienced as the media pretends her to be, that can’t be the only reason to seek the presidency.</p> Her “experience”? She’s been in the senate for like 7 years. She was First Lady for 8 years — does that actually count?? I don’t get it. Biden and Dodd have been in the Senate my whole life. She’s one of the greenest candidates up there.

And even if she was as experienced as the media pretends her to be, that can’t be the only reason to seek the presidency.

]]> By: larue http://firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1071910 larue Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:16:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/01/looking-for-a-candidate-with-true-grit/#comment-1071910 <p><a href="#comment-1071187"><em>No Blood for Hubris @ 141</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Really, the best thing about Senator Clinton is that she’s been pre-SwiftBoated, the recipient of all the mud the right can sling at her right from the get-go in 1992.</p> <p>So really, there’s nothing else they can throw at her that hasn’t already been thrown.</p> <p>Looks like Karl Rove’s once full-quiver’s running on empty.</p></blockquote> <p>Those are not considerations of any substantive value when it comes to governing, changing a hopelessly corrupted system and restoring the constitution and restoring the balance between the presidency, the judiciary and Congress . . . . for a street fight, well, yeah, fine.</p> <p>I’m looking for a change agent, I believe HRC has consistently proven she is looking for her status quo. And her backers, financiers, and her campaign platforms pretty much are proof of it.</p> <p>The debate, which in a primary IS supposed to be knock down and drag out, was also evidence of her lacking any real proclivities for change. Especially with regards to Iraq, Iran, and foreign interventionism. Her healthcare COVERAGE package is for the insurance companies, and NOT for GUARENTEED HEALTHCARE for the masses and uninsured.</p> <p>If you support HRC for the primary DEM candidate, you support the existing corporatist and war making machine and you are against free healthcare, free education and basic civil rights for the masses . . . . it’s pretty simple.</p> <p>I do love all the posturing, though. It’s fun to read.</p> No Blood for Hubris @ 141

Really, the best thing about Senator Clinton is that she’s been pre-SwiftBoated, the recipient of all the mud the right can sling at her right from the get-go in 1992.

So really, there’s nothing else they can throw at her that hasn’t already been thrown.

Looks like Karl Rove’s once full-quiver’s running on empty.

Those are not considerations of any substantive value when it comes to governing, changing a hopelessly corrupted system and restoring the constitution and restoring the balance between the presidency, the judiciary and Congress . . . . for a street fight, well, yeah, fine.

I’m looking for a change agent, I believe HRC has consistently proven she is looking for her status quo. And her backers, financiers, and her campaign platforms pretty much are proof of it.

The debate, which in a primary IS supposed to be knock down and drag out, was also evidence of her lacking any real proclivities for change. Especially with regards to Iraq, Iran, and foreign interventionism. Her healthcare COVERAGE package is for the insurance companies, and NOT for GUARENTEED HEALTHCARE for the masses and uninsured.

If you support HRC for the primary DEM candidate, you support the existing corporatist and war making machine and you are against free healthcare, free education and basic civil rights for the masses . . . . it’s pretty simple.

I do love all the posturing, though. It’s fun to read.

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