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	<title>Comments on: Late Late Nite FDL: God Hates Phelps</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/31/late-late-nite-fdl-god-hates-phelps/#comment-1070687</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for coming to the Westboro Baptist Church.  Please turn to page 381 in your hymnal and sing with me:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Sooooooooooy un perdidor&lt;br /&gt;
I am a loser baby,&lt;br /&gt;
so why don’t you kill me?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for coming to the Westboro Baptist Church.  Please turn to page 381 in your hymnal and sing with me:</p>
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<em>Sooooooooooy un perdidor<br />
I am a loser baby,<br />
so why don’t you kill me?</em></p>
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		<title>By: t4toby</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/31/late-late-nite-fdl-god-hates-phelps/#comment-1070483</link>
		<dc:creator>t4toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m with Joe.  I grew up with this church.  I was in the same grade, same class with Charles Hockenbarger, one of the favorite sons of the church.  I actually got to watch his brain be washed and rung out.  Sad stuff.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These people are sick and reprehensible.  But their speech needs to be covered.  That is what freedom is all about. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Free speech is one place where the Overton Window is a good thing.  When we see that Window narrowing, we should be concerned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW- They are totally inbred.  You can’t tell the ladies apart.  Super Creepy.  I know, I was taught Spanish by one of them in 4th grade.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m with Joe.  I grew up with this church.  I was in the same grade, same class with Charles Hockenbarger, one of the favorite sons of the church.  I actually got to watch his brain be washed and rung out.  Sad stuff.  </p>
<p>These people are sick and reprehensible.  But their speech needs to be covered.  That is what freedom is all about. </p>
<p>Free speech is one place where the Overton Window is a good thing.  When we see that Window narrowing, we should be concerned.</p>
<p>BTW- They are totally inbred.  You can’t tell the ladies apart.  Super Creepy.  I know, I was taught Spanish by one of them in 4th grade.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Buck</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/31/late-late-nite-fdl-god-hates-phelps/#comment-1070199</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Much as I hate “Rev.” Phelps and his wacko cult, as an ACLU-Glenn Greenwald style civil libertarian I’m troubled by the verdict.  Some people are being ordered to pay $11 million for engaging in speech: hateful speech, but speech just the same.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If this precedent holds, wouldn’t it also be possible to fine someone $11 million for protesting at the funeral of an officer who engaged in war crimes, with graphic evidence of what he did?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a mistake to cheer this kind of verdict, because if it stands it will eventually be used against us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I hate “Rev.” Phelps and his wacko cult, as an ACLU-Glenn Greenwald style civil libertarian I’m troubled by the verdict.  Some people are being ordered to pay $11 million for engaging in speech: hateful speech, but speech just the same.</p>
<p>If this precedent holds, wouldn’t it also be possible to fine someone $11 million for protesting at the funeral of an officer who engaged in war crimes, with graphic evidence of what he did?</p>
<p>It’s a mistake to cheer this kind of verdict, because if it stands it will eventually be used against us.</p>
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		<title>By: E in MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>E in MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wish I would have found out about this particular protest before it happened since it was in my old stomping grounds in Westminster.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This guy and his band of hateful societial garbage have a right to be heard however repugnant their message is. But their right to speak does not trump the right of another person to express themselves through grieving. The can just as easily apply for a permit and do their protest well out of sight of the funeral. Their protests as they stand are blatantly abusing another person’s rights and sorry Freddy but in this country everyone’s rights are supposed to be treated equally. I know you hate the United States and all but if you don’t like it you can always move to Saudi Arabia or something.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the ruling is a good thing. I do worry about the stifling of free speech. People should be able to speak their minds. But I should also be able to ignore their message if I should choose. I can’t do that if I’m at a funeral for my son and they’re protesting it. My choices would be to leave the funeral and give up the right to mourn my son or put up with their garbage. Either way I am giving up my own rights to the illusory primacy of someone else’s. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Essentially I’m trapped and being held hostage as an unwilling audience for this person and I simply cannot support that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I would have found out about this particular protest before it happened since it was in my old stomping grounds in Westminster.</p>
<p>This guy and his band of hateful societial garbage have a right to be heard however repugnant their message is. But their right to speak does not trump the right of another person to express themselves through grieving. The can just as easily apply for a permit and do their protest well out of sight of the funeral. Their protests as they stand are blatantly abusing another person’s rights and sorry Freddy but in this country everyone’s rights are supposed to be treated equally. I know you hate the United States and all but if you don’t like it you can always move to Saudi Arabia or something.</p>
<p>I think the ruling is a good thing. I do worry about the stifling of free speech. People should be able to speak their minds. But I should also be able to ignore their message if I should choose. I can’t do that if I’m at a funeral for my son and they’re protesting it. My choices would be to leave the funeral and give up the right to mourn my son or put up with their garbage. Either way I am giving up my own rights to the illusory primacy of someone else’s. </p>
<p>Essentially I’m trapped and being held hostage as an unwilling audience for this person and I simply cannot support that.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1069729&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 191&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nah, you don’t really.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well, i do confess that my sense of karmic justice is pleased.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just not my sense of legal justice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1069729"><em>raven @ 191</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Nah, you don’t really.</p>
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<p>well, i do confess that my sense of karmic justice is pleased.</p>
<p>just not my sense of legal justice.</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1069722&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 190&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1069711&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 189&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, instead of going over and kicking the living dog shit out of these motherfuckers the family took it to court, through the proper channels.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i don’t object to the family’s action. no way should they have to endure that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; i object to the court’s decision.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nah, you don’t really.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1069722"><em>selise @ 190</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1069711"><em>raven @ 189</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>So, instead of going over and kicking the living dog shit out of these motherfuckers the family took it to court, through the proper channels.</p>
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<p>i don’t object to the family’s action. no way should they have to endure that.</p>
<p>i <em>think</em> i object to the court’s decision.</p>
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<p>Nah, you don’t really.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1069711&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven @ 189&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, instead of going over and kicking the living dog shit out of these motherfuckers the family took it to court, through the proper channels.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i don’t object to the family’s action. no way should they have to endure that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; i object to the court’s decision.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1069711"><em>raven @ 189</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>So, instead of going over and kicking the living dog shit out of these motherfuckers the family took it to court, through the proper channels.</p>
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<p>i don’t object to the family’s action. no way should they have to endure that.</p>
<p>i <em>think</em> i object to the court’s decision.</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1069701&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 188&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1069693&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SunnyNobility @ 184&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Selise,&lt;br /&gt;
I think it was a citizen’s civil suit for personal damages, not a state action.  Invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of mental distress..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;were they not protesting on public land? if so, how is that an invasion of privacy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what is the legal standard of “intentional infliction of mental distress”? what actions am i prohibited from while protesting inorder not to cross the legal line where i could be held liable?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m really just trying to understand - because at first blush this seems all wrong to me. hoping to find another way to understand so it can make sense.  but right now it just doesn’t.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, instead of going over and kicking the living dog shit out of these motherfuckers the family took it to court, through the proper channels.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1069701"><em>selise @ 188</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1069693"><em>SunnyNobility @ 184</em></a></p>
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Selise,<br />
I think it was a citizen’s civil suit for personal damages, not a state action.  Invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of mental distress..</p>
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<p>were they not protesting on public land? if so, how is that an invasion of privacy?</p>
<p>what is the legal standard of “intentional infliction of mental distress”? what actions am i prohibited from while protesting inorder not to cross the legal line where i could be held liable?</p>
<p>i’m really just trying to understand &#8211; because at first blush this seems all wrong to me. hoping to find another way to understand so it can make sense.  but right now it just doesn’t.</p>
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<p>So, instead of going over and kicking the living dog shit out of these motherfuckers the family took it to court, through the proper channels.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1069693&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SunnyNobility @ 184&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1069652&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 163&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;dear friends who are glad about the court verdict against phelps and his gang of crazies….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;aren’t the courts supposed to punish &lt;em&gt;illegal&lt;/em&gt; acts (as opposed to unethical or immoral acts)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what &lt;em&gt;illegal&lt;/em&gt; actions are they being punished for?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thank you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Selise,&lt;br /&gt;
I think it was a citizen’s civil suit for personal damages, not a state action.  Invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of mental distress..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;were they not protesting on public land? if so, how is that an invasion of privacy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what is the legal standard of “intentional infliction of mental distress”? what actions am i prohibited from while protesting inorder not to cross the legal line where i could be held liable?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m really just trying to understand - because at first blush this seems all wrong to me. hoping to find another way to understand so it can make sense.  but right now it just doesn’t.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1069693"><em>SunnyNobility @ 184</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1069652"><em>selise @ 163</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>dear friends who are glad about the court verdict against phelps and his gang of crazies….</p>
<p>aren’t the courts supposed to punish <em>illegal</em> acts (as opposed to unethical or immoral acts)?</p>
<p>what <em>illegal</em> actions are they being punished for?</p>
<p>thank you.</p>
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<p>Selise,<br />
I think it was a citizen’s civil suit for personal damages, not a state action.  Invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of mental distress..</p>
</blockquote>
<p>were they not protesting on public land? if so, how is that an invasion of privacy?</p>
<p>what is the legal standard of “intentional infliction of mental distress”? what actions am i prohibited from while protesting inorder not to cross the legal line where i could be held liable?</p>
<p>i’m really just trying to understand &#8211; because at first blush this seems all wrong to me. hoping to find another way to understand so it can make sense.  but right now it just doesn’t.</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also, remember that the Phelps scumbags have made money when they get &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; fucking rights violated, it’s part of their scam.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, remember that the Phelps scumbags have made money when they get <em>their</em> fucking rights violated, it’s part of their scam.</p>
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