zed.

Hiya Mr Teddy SF!

PLUMBER FUCKERY!

Hiya Halloween Cassie and congrats RonD!

TRex @ 3

PLUMBER FUCKERY!

I know. Who do ya think?

TRex!!!! Did you dress like a therapod? Or something else?

Aah, Teddy, No party in SF tonite, as well, eh?

The obvious question is. Motive?

Hillary’s the only one who would care. But I highly doubt that he staff would do anything like that-too much risk, too little reward. So is it a put-up job to frame Hillary?

Ah yeah! seems like repukes are not the only people who knows how to break in offices afterall.
Triangulating anyone ?

CTuttle @ 7

Aah, Teddy, No party in SF tonite, as well, eh?

Time zones, dood. He can stick around ’till Late, Late Night and be fashionably late.

And naturally one would want to know which party (assuming this is a political break in) would benefit. Then you would want to narrow it from there.

GordonM @ 11

CTuttle @ 7

Aah, Teddy, No party in SF tonite, as well, eh?

Time zones, dood. He can stick around ’till Late, Late Night and be fashionably late.

Actually, I was referring to SF’s determined efforts to shut down their annual Halloween Party…

CTuttle @ 7

Aah, Teddy, No party in SF tonite, as well, eh?

Our big Castro party has been “cancelled” by the city. Big ads in the paper and signs on the subway, NO CASTRO PARTY. They aren’t closing the streets or letting people disembark at the Muni station. We’ll see how it all turns out. Hope the thuggish folks from outta town got the message. But it’s a shame the locals’ party is pretty much not happening.

Next year, though, Halloween is on a Friday. No such luck cancelling that!

Haven’t there been a couple of other Democratic candidates’ offices burgled over the past six months or so – for some reason, I recall at least one break in at Dodd’s offices.

Apropos to two threads back – I was wishing some candidate would comment that when 2 bit hack journalists who don’t even make phone calls can afford summer houses on Nantucket, it’s clearly time to raise marginal rates. Back to, say, Eisenhower rates – 91%.

Toby Wollin @ 15

Haven’t there been a couple of other Democratic candidates’ offices burgled over the past six months or so – for some reason, I recall at least one break in at Dodd’s offices.

Also a Romney burglary, but all the laptops, computers, and plasma screens were taken in that one. They caught a homeless dude for the Dodd burglary.

I cannot belive that HRC would be involved in something like this. Nor her staff.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 18

I cannot belive that HRC would be involved in something like this. Nor her staff.

She doesn’t need to do this. Why would she? I don’t think this was political.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 18

I cannot belive that HRC would be involved in something like this. Nor her staff.

Hillary has staph? Oh shit.

This is different from the Watergate break, if indeed particular computers were targeted. If so, then there is a mole in his campaign. Maybe just someone with a personal grudge?

These candidates need to provde themselves with better security. So we don’t have to involve ourselves in these types of discussions.

Michelle Malkin through the window above the garbage cans with a Hillary mask on… She was hired by Ollie North and James Carville.

TeddySanFran @ 14

CTuttle @ 7

Aah, Teddy, No party in SF tonite, as well, eh?

Our big Castro party has been “cancelled” by the city. Big ads in the paper and signs on the subway, NO CASTRO PARTY. They aren’t closing the streets or letting people disembark at the Muni station. We’ll see how it all turns out. Hope the thuggish folks from outta town got the message. But it’s a shame the locals’ party is pretty much not happening.

Next year, though, Halloween is on a Friday. No such luck cancelling that!

Apparently they’re closing the 16th Street BART station, lest undesireables invade SF tonight. Too bad for the working folks trying to get home tonight. Oh, wait, they’re undesireable, too.

Valley Girl @ 21

This is different from the Watergate break, if indeed particular computers were targeted. If so, then there is a mole in his campaign. Maybe just someone with a personal grudge?

Could also be a “false flag,” although making a police report would be risky if that’s the case.

TSF, was a foul smell detected in these offices?

Have there been any Turdblossom odors sightings in Los Angeles? Davenport?

Valley Girl @ 21

This is different from the Watergate break, if indeed particular computers were targeted. If so, then there is a mole in his campaign. Maybe just someone with a personal grudge?

Or maybe someone’s just trying to find out who all those donors are?

Valley Girl @ 21

This is different from the Watergate break, if indeed particular computers were targeted. If so, then there is a mole in his campaign. Maybe just someone with a personal grudge?

I agree – this is through someone who actually KNOWS something – if particular computers were taken and nothing else was.

TeddySanFran @ 14

CTuttle @ 7

Aah, Teddy, No party in SF tonite, as well, eh?

Our big Castro party has been “cancelled” by the city. Big ads in the paper and signs on the subway, NO CASTRO PARTY. They aren’t closing the streets or letting people disembark at the Muni station. We’ll see how it all turns out. Hope the thuggish folks from outta town got the message. But it’s a shame the locals’ party is pretty much not happening.

Next year, though, Halloween is on a Friday. No such luck cancelling that!

I was there in 2000, it was the best street party I had ever been to. So many people just having a good time.

RickinSF @ 24

TeddySanFran @ 14

Our big Castro party has been “cancelled” by the city. Big ads in the paper and signs on the subway, NO CASTRO PARTY. They aren’t closing the streets or letting people disembark at the Muni station. We’ll see how it all turns out. Hope the thuggish folks from outta town got the message. But it’s a shame the locals’ party is pretty much not happening.

Next year, though, Halloween is on a Friday. No such luck cancelling that!

Apparently they’re closing the 16th Street BART station, lest undesireables invade SF tonight. Too bad for the working folks trying to get home tonight. Oh, wait, they’re undesireable, too.

Tell ‘em to write F*ck Bush on their shirts and camp out in Pelosi’s flowerbeds…! ;-)

Rove..Rove…Rove

GordonM @ 27

Valley Girl @ 21

This is different from the Watergate break, if indeed particular computers were targeted. If so, then there is a mole in his campaign. Maybe just someone with a personal grudge?

Or maybe someone’s just trying to find out who all those donors are?

Could be – I recall a report that AG Gonzalez was involved in unleashing Justice Dept. and FBI against Edwards’ contributors in Michigan, yes?

Toby Wollin @ 32

GordonM @ 27

Could be – I recall a report that AG Gonzalez was involved in unleashing Justice Dept. and FBI against Edwards’ contributors in Michigan, yes?

Or maybe someone’s just trying to find out who all those donors are?

No wonder they want immunity…TSP…

Same people…D’oh…..

Anyone leaving a laptop unsecured anywhere is an idiot.
Sorry, but it’s true.

What information have the police released?

Toby Wollin @ 32

GordonM @ 27

Or maybe someone’s just trying to find out who all those donors are?

Could be – I recall a report that AG Gonzalez was involved in unleashing Justice Dept. and FBI against Edwards’ contributors in Michigan, yes?

It was all part of Rove’s “Math”, I’m sure.

How’d Tanner’s testimony go today (haven’t had time to read transcripts)?

Ummm…gee..ummm…well…

Can’t say you weren’t warned.

D’uh.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 35

What information have the police released?

That they’ve dusted the office, and, that’s about it…

RickinSF @ 34

Anyone leaving a laptop unsecured anywhere is an idiot.
Sorry, but it’s true.

Where I used to work, we had special lockdown stations for our laptops – at the end of the day, when we shut them down, the stations could be locked. Not that everyone was efficient and remembered to do it, mind you, but the intent and the means to do it was there.

Hey, campaign managers, talk to your local nerds about encrypting your hard drives! Get with the 21st century!

And what’s with stealing the laptops, when it’s perfectly legal for the government to tap all the phone and computerized communications of the presidential campaigns, anyway?

CTuttle @ 38

Oklahoma kiddo @ 35

What information have the police released?

That they’ve dusted the office, and, that’s about it…

Cool! Do they do under beds as well? I mean, if you’re campaign donor, of course.

GordonM @ 36

Toby Wollin @ 32

Could be – I recall a report that AG Gonzalez was involved in unleashing Justice Dept. and FBI against Edwards’ contributors in Michigan, yes?

It was all part of Rove’s “Math”, I’m sure.

How’d Tanner’s testimony go today (haven’t had time to read transcripts)?

Milbank on Tanner

Valley Girl says:
October 31st, 2007 at 6:26 pm

I did not watch most of the debate last night- took me ages to figure out how to get the msnbc link to work- so I only caught the tail end live.

I am not a Hillary fan- and I’ve said that here before.

But, I must have been listening or watching Hillary’s response to the driver’s license question- which she had very little time to respond to- with different ears and eyes than most others.

I actually thought she did a very good job with her reply, given the complexity of the issue. I have to say, I was impressed. And, imo, Dodd’s answer was AWFUL.

Drivers w/o drivers licenses and no tracking for automobile insurance is one of the reasons CA has such high insurance rates. Maybe that perspective helped me get the point of what Clinton was saying.

As someone said on Hardball tonight she needs to take this on frontally. This issue of having unknowns throughout America is a serious national security issue. She has a winner on her hands, as much as Tweety would like to see it destroy her, if she plays her cards right. Which, of course, she will.

Albatross @ 40

Hey, campaign managers, talk to your local nerds about encrypting your hard drives! Get with the 21st century!

And what’s with stealing the laptops, when it’s perfectly legal for the government to tap all the phone and computerized communications of the presidential campaigns, anyway?

The Romney campaign says nothing was compromised in their burglary, because everything was encrypted.

OT..The Latest Edwards attack on Hillary:

Edwards: Hillary Is Unelectable, And You Should Be Very, Very Afraid

TPM

IMO, this is just stupid..has the Edwards’ campaign decided to follow Obama over the cliff?

Well, if only particular laptops were stolen, then someone had to have inside information. So, maybe it was not just stupidity that accounts for the laptops not being locked down.

From Harpers.org

Gonzales personally authorized a small army of nearly 100 federal agents to raid a law office and simultaneously raid the homes of its employees and their families. Indeed, one agent commented about how he had been flown in from Iraq to help find out why American citizens had made contributions to the John Edwards campaign.

We have some political conspiracies and crimes against Democrats. Who could do such a thing? Pat Buchanan? Maybe. But who gets immunity for mass murder? BLACKWATER!!!

(Donning full tinfoil suit)-
Let’s game this out. First, I don’t believe any of the Dems are f’ing stupid enough to have pulled off something like that. So who? Well, someone with no respect for the law, and no fear of getting caught. Someone had to be on the inside, to know which computers, and probably to learn the works on the security system. Do we know who was on the security detail, or what company it was? And don’t forget-somewhere in one of the Enabling Acts that have been passed the last few years, there’s something about warrantless physical searches being permitted, in National Security cases. Maybe a compromised Obama employee?

Conclusion? Not yet enough data, but I would bet my shorts it was none of the Democrats. Uh-uh. No way.

(removing tinfoil suit but keeping it handy).

“Can this be coincidence?”

No.

This shit is happening a lot during the primaries. Ain’t this, like, at least the third or fourth break-in at candidates head quarters?

And also, a total reminder on how important sensitive data is! I hope the I.T. of Obama’s staff is competent enough to rig those laptops with lojack software. Find the perps and oust them as thieves and vandals of democratic process.

The issue of “electability” is a non-starter for Lahoma and I.

Grrrrrr…tearing up pillows… tearing up carpets…..eating the remote….

F*ck….they are coming up the driveway…

Oh, wait….they are tearing up a pillows too, and carpets, and eating the remote…

OH..MY…we agree…..

This ain’t right!!! They are happy to see us….in fact, they are bearing “cookies”!!!

WTF???

TeddySanFran @ 42

GordonM @ 36

It was all part of Rove’s “Math”, I’m sure.

How’d Tanner’s testimony go today (haven’t had time to read transcripts)?

Milbank on Tanner

Thanks, TSF. Any chance his kid was Graeme Frost’s age?

TeddySanFran @ 44

Albatross @ 40

Hey, campaign managers, talk to your local nerds about encrypting your hard drives! Get with the 21st century!

And what’s with stealing the laptops, when it’s perfectly legal for the government to tap all the phone and computerized communications of the presidential campaigns, anyway?

The Romney campaign says nothing was compromised in their burglary, because everything was encrypted.

But the NSA can still crack it.

OT..

Polls Contradict Rudy’s Blue-State Claim
(snip)
s it turns out, a poll released Monday showed Giuliani losing California to Hillary Clinton by a 55%-39% margin. And as for his home state of New York — it’s even worse, with Hillary beating Rudy by an astonishing 64%-30% margin in a poll released on Tuesday.

TPM

RonD @ 49

(Donning full tinfoil suit)-
Let’s game this out. First, I don’t believe any of the Dems are f’ing stupid enough to have pulled off something like that. So who? Well, someone with no respect for the law, and no fear of getting caught. Someone had to be on the inside, to know which computers, and probably to learn the works on the security system. Do we know who was on the security detail, or what company it was? And don’t forget-somewhere in one of the Enabling Acts that have been passed the last few years, there’s something about warrantless physical searches being permitted, in National Security cases. Maybe a compromised Obama employee?

Conclusion? Not yet enough data, but I would bet my shorts it was none of the Democrats. Uh-uh. No way.

(removing tinfoil suit but keeping it handy).

I don’t see that as tinfoil. Has to have been someone with insider info/ mole.

And, I agree that it seems very unlikely to me that it was a Dem candidate.

Eureka Springs @ 47

From Harpers.org

Gonzales personally authorized a small army of nearly 100 federal agents to raid a law office and simultaneously raid the homes of its employees and their families. Indeed, one agent commented about how he had been flown in from Iraq to help find out why American citizens had made contributions to the John Edwards campaign.

Right – that’s the one I remembered..I just could not recall where it was from.

If the Democratic candidate for president in 2008 can’t beat the Republican nominee after eight years of Bush, then we deserve to get beat.

Steve-AR @ 56

OT..

Polls Contradict Rudy’s Blue-State Claim
(snip)
s it turns out, a poll released Monday showed Giuliani losing California to Hillary Clinton by a 55%-39% margin. And as for his home state of New York — it’s even worse, with Hillary beating Rudy by an astonishing 64%-30% margin in a poll released on Tuesday.

TPM

Which party won Cali and NY in 2000 and ‘04?

Who benefits???????????

Pectopah @ 55

TeddySanFran @ 44

The Romney campaign says nothing was compromised in their burglary, because everything was encrypted.

But the NSA can still crack it.

Then I’ll do it. Password “dogshit”. Easy enough.

Loo Hoo- well, I saw it as a safety on the roads and insured drivers issue. A more narrow view than yours. You seem to be edging towards the “there are terrorists among us meme”. I would much rather keep the discussion more narrow- bad drivers and uninsured drivers, which iirc, is still a huge problem in CA.

From the KC Star . . . it’s a happy night for the GLBT community, and their friends:

BALTIMORE — A federal jury on Wednesday delivered a $2.9 million verdict against the Phelps family of Topeka and their homophobe Westboro Baptist Church, a Kansas church that picketed the funeral of a Maryland Marine killed in an auto accident in Iraq last year.

It is believed to be the first individual lawsuit against the Phelps, who are infamous for picketing military and other funerals around the country. They do not contend that the dead soldiers are gay, but that their deaths are punishment by an angry God against the United States for its tolerance of homosexuality.

A grieving father, Albert Snyder, sued for unspecified damages after members staged a demonstration at the March 2006 funeral of his son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder.

Family and church members, under the leadership of Fred Phelps, Sr., routinely picket funerals of military personnel killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, carrying signs such as “Thank God for dead soldiers” and “God hates fags.”

Their actions have prompted several states to pass laws regarding funeral protests and Congress has passed a law prohibiting such protests at federal cemeteries.

Folks have been trying to nail Phelps through the legal system for years, but he’s sharp and knows what he can and cannot do while protected by the first amendment. This may get overturned on appeal, but even if it does, *tonight* is a good night!

Disclosure: Years ago, at one of my former parishes, Phelps sent me an abusive letter, informing me that he had added my church to his “to be picketed” list. When I told the parish council about it, they were quite proud of the honor.

Loo Hoo. @ 43

Valley Girl says:
October 31st, 2007 at 6:26 pm

to figure out how to get the msnbc link to

Oh, did anyone else get MSNBC bumped from their Comcast cable lineup? No KO? Nokay, I say.

LS @ 61

Who benefits???????????

Depends on the info inside and how it’s used.

RonD @ 49

(Donning full tinfoil suit)-
Let’s game this out. First, I don’t believe any of the Dems are f’ing stupid enough to have pulled off something like that. So who? Well, someone with no respect for the law, and no fear of getting caught. Someone had to be on the inside, to know which computers, and probably to learn the works on the security system. Do we know who was on the security detail, or what company it was? And don’t forget-somewhere in one of the Enabling Acts that have been passed the last few years, there’s something about warrantless physical searches being permitted, in National Security cases. Maybe a compromised Obama employee?

Conclusion? Not yet enough data, but I would bet my shorts it was none of the Democrats. Uh-uh. No way.

(removing tinfoil suit but keeping it handy).

In light of the Harpers article (see comment above), I don’t think you need a tinfoil hat.

This may be the smoking gun to indict Gonzalez and perhaps implicate higher up the food chain.

As to the Obama hdqtrs break in, we need to be very careful not to imply that it was one of the Democratic campaigns. Anyway, isn’t the publication (or reporting) of all donors mandated?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 59

If the Democratic candidate for president in 2008 can’t beat the Republican nominee after eight years of Bush, then we they deserve to get beat.

Typo fixed, Oklahoma Kiddo ;)

TeddySanFran @ 5

TRex @ 3

PLUMBER FUCKERY!

I know. Who do ya think?

Feels like a Matt Drudge/Limpdick/O’Really dumb caper to this ole brat.

jc inOR @ 65

Loo Hoo. @ 43

Valley Girl says:
October 31st, 2007 at 6:26 pm

to figure out how to get the msnbc link to

Oh, did anyone else get MSNBC bumped from their Comcast cable lineup? No KO? Nokay, I say.

I don’t have TV- this was not my problem. Took me a while to figure out that msnbc does not like Firefox.

However, someone else mentioned a comcast problem. Atlanta area, irrc?

OT..

A Republican state legislator who repeatedly voted against gay rights measures resigned his seat Wednesday amid revelations he had sex with a man he met at an erotic video store while in Spokane on a GOP retreat.

link

Good riddance to another GOOper

Steve-AR @ 71

OT..

A Republican state legislator who repeatedly voted against gay rights measures resigned his seat Wednesday amid revelations he had sex with a man he met at an erotic video store while in Spokane on a GOP retreat.

link

Good riddance to another GOOper

Aw, come on…this is getting ridiculous.

Valley Girl @ 63

Loo Hoo- well, I saw it as a safety on the roads and insured drivers issue. A more narrow view than yours. You seem to be edging towards the “there are terrorists among us meme”. I would much rather keep the discussion more narrow- bad drivers and uninsured drivers, which iirc, is still a huge problem in CA.

On VG’s side. As I know from experience, you don’t dual purpose systems. It just ends up undermining both of them. Driver’s licenses are for driving. Period. Immigration violations are a misdemeanor, and treated as civil (not criminal). If immigration is a problem, fix that.

Someone should ask Mr Cole if all GOPers are closet gays.

Why…

Why are we asking the same questions over and over??????

Toby Wollin @ 15

Haven’t there been a couple of other Democratic candidates’ offices burgled over the past six months or so – for some reason, I recall at least one break in at Dodd’s offices.

Didn’t they catch the guy that broke into Dodd’s office. Just some homeless guy and former Con named Gilbert Soto that wanted to sell the computers for drugs I recall. Long history of petty burglaries.

Of course I was thinkin’ that the NSA was huntin smack on Chris.

BTW Lots of theives see a move-in and use this as an opportunity to do a grab and snatch. During moves the doors are often open, people focussed on other things, and if there are movers , volunteers and residents one may not recognize the other. It’s easy to stroll in find an empty room, open a window, and place the items outside for pick up later. Or just walk out with them.

SnarkaPUMPKIN Cassie @ 74

Someone should ask Mr Cole if all GOPers are closet gays.

OT..Did the Austin Bats stay for Halloween?

jc inOR @ 65

Loo Hoo. @ 43

Valley Girl says:
October 31st, 2007 at 6:26 pm

to figure out how to get the msnbc link to

Oh, did anyone else get MSNBC bumped from their Comcast cable lineup? No KO? Nokay, I say.

Wouldn’t know since I dropped Cable in June, after a rate increase which went mainly to subsidize FOX.

But when I did have cable, there were several times that MSNBC — and only MSNBC — would dissappear for a few nights. I would call and complain and get a service interruption credit.

Steve-AR @ 77

SnarkaPUMPKIN Cassie @ 74

Someone should ask Mr Cole if all GOPers are closet gays.

OT..Did the Austin Bats stay for Halloween?

I dunno. Usually they are in Mexico by now.

RonD @ 49

(Donning full tinfoil suit)-
Let’s game this out. First, I don’t believe any of the Dems are f’ing stupid enough to have pulled off something like that. So who? Well, someone with no respect for the law, and no fear of getting caught. Someone had to be on the inside, to know which computers, and probably to learn the works on the security system. Do we know who was on the security detail, or what company it was? And don’t forget-somewhere in one of the Enabling Acts that have been passed the last few years, there’s something about warrantless physical searches being permitted, in National Security cases. Maybe a compromised Obama employee?

Conclusion? Not yet enough data, but I would bet my shorts it was none of the Democrats. Uh-uh. No way.

(removing tinfoil suit but keeping it handy).

Hi RonD. I’m right with ya. I think it’s someone with some new fangled legal power who just wants to mess with the election. Someone who likes their new powers of surveillance…etc. Perhaps it’s some NSA type. Hey, it’s Halloween. The tinfoil is my costume….

Valley Girl @ 70

jc inOR @ 65

Oh, did anyone else get MSNBC bumped from their Comcast cable lineup? No KO? Nokay, I say.

I don’t have TV- this was not my problem. Took me a while to figure out that msnbc does not like Firefox.

However, someone else mentioned a comcast problem. Atlanta area, irrc?

Yep, Comcast seems to have dumped MSNBC even on their premium and digital lineups (I have ’standard cable’). I guess I’ll be looking for the stream, and firing up Explorer, ’cause I usually run Firefox, too. By the way, Comcast apparently did not fire Fox. But did remove Fox News from standard cable, also. Something about smut, I think.

RonD, didn’t you wear tinfoil yesterday?

Howie had a post about that. Said the details were x rated.

Howies banner at the top of DWT is:

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” – Sinclair Lewis

I just had to revise that:

“When gay republicans come the Hollywood Erotic Boutique they will be wrapped in red lingerie and whipping their skippies”

(I hope the last part is not terribly rude. At least not a lot ruder than I think it is.)

OT, but both Arianna Huffington and Valerie Plame Wilson are scheduled to be on Charlie Rose’s show tonite (in about 45 minutes in my timezone).

Toby Wollin @ 72

Steve-AR @ 71

OT..

link

Good riddance to another GOOper

Aw, come on…this is getting ridiculous.

You’d think they’d gotten briefed or debriefed by their staffs by now and be satisfied.

Steve-AR @ 71

OT..

A Republican state legislator who repeatedly voted against gay rights measures resigned his seat Wednesday amid revelations he had sex with a man he met at an erotic video store while in Spokane on a GOP retreat.

link

Good riddance to another GOOper

Um, is there another definition for “gay” that we don’t know about? Like “I did not have ’sex’ with that woman!” What I consider “gay” and what GOP Senators consider “gay” are two different things?

I heard recently that some teens don’t consider oral s.e.x. to be s.e.x….so if their parents check up on them they can say iwth a straight face they are not having any. They don’t count the rest…

Sorry, Snarks, for the PG/R nature of the news right now!

jc inOR @ 85

Toby Wollin @ 72

Aw, come on…this is getting ridiculous.

You’d think they’d gotten briefed or debriefed by their staffs by now and be satisfied.

Debriefings at 9, 11, 1 and 3. Then come the fishnet stockings.

“When gay republicans come the Hollywood Erotic Boutique they will be wrapped in red lingerie and whipping their skippies”

Does that mean masturbate? Ore something weirder? Or are skippies underpants?

OT: Oy. I’m 20 pages in to a 40 page transcript of last night’s debate.

I have notes all over, but one big thing standing out is how Pills Limbaugh fan Brian Williams and Libby Trial exposed GOP tool Russert went totally nuts setting up Clinton to be attacked.

I’m keeping track of how the other jumped in, and how they framed their points, using either right wing memes or other approaches, and I’m still getting through it. But as I keep reading this, I’m getting pissed at the way she’s being targeted by the whole vent.

I think in the end it may work to her advantage, in spite of the fact there are very many legitimate ways to criticize her or hold her positions up to accountability.

do-si-do @ 86

I heard recently that some teens don’t consider oral s.e.x. to be s.e.x….so if their parents check up on them they can say iwth a straight face they are not having any. They don’t count the rest…

Sorry, Snarks, for the PG/R nature of the news right now!

That’s why Newt didn’t pile on when Clinton said “I did not…”. He was doing the same thing himself.

GordonM @ 87

jc inOR @ 85

You’d think they’d gotten briefed or debriefed by their staffs by now and be satisfied.

Debriefings at 9, 11, 1 and 3. Then come the fishnet stockings.

Stockings? These geeks still write their name on their tidy whities…

Pectopah @ 78

jc inOR @ 65

But when I did have cable, there were several times that MSNBC — and only MSNBC — would dissappear for a few nights. I would call and complain and get a service interruption credit.

Nope. There was a card announcing changes, and this wan’t one of them, but starting today, MSNBC is gone & I confirmed that from the lineup Comcast has online. Oh, well. No need to go on, and on as I have been. Thanks.

The I am not GAY proof

1. I am a Republican
2. I am a law abiding citizen — Definition of a republican
3. I am married
4. Gay marriage is ILLEGAL — Cuz I made it so.
5. Since I am Married, and law abiding, and it is illegal to be married if you are gay, I must not be gay.

Q.E.D.

Mad Dogs @ 84

OT, but both Arianna Huffington and Valerie Plame Wilson are scheduled to be on Charlie Rose’s show tonite (in about 45 minutes in my timezone).

Thanks for the heads up. I had forgotten.

Tinfoil…it’s not just for hats anymore!

SnarkP, It’is a sad commentary on these times that one feels compelled to defend one’s rationality while trying to analyze the news of the day.

Snarkie- I don’t know for sure. But, of the 3 choices you gave, I was assuming door #1.

RonD @ 95

Tinfoil…it’s not just for hats anymore!

SnarkP, It’is a sad commentary on these times that one feels compelled to defend one’s rationality while trying to analyze the news of the day.

Halloween garb.

No snark..I hope his wife gets an HIV test..he offered the guy $1k for unprotected sex.

Steve-AR @ 45

OT..The Latest Edwards attack on Hillary:

Edwards: Hillary Is Unelectable, And You Should Be Very, Very Afraid

TPM

IMO, this is just stupid..has the Edwards’ campaign decided to follow Obama over the cliff?

Oh great. Fear tactics. Like there hasn`t been enough of that yet.

Good night y’all.

Only two more shopping hours and 11 minutes until Cassie’s birthday!

Loo Hoo. @ 43

Valley Girl says:
October 31st, 2007 at 6:26 pm

I did not watch most of the debate last night- took me ages to figure out how to get the msnbc link to work- so I only caught the tail end live.

I am not a Hillary fan- and I’ve said that here before.

But, I must have been listening or watching Hillary’s response to the driver’s license question- which she had very little time to respond to- with different ears and eyes than most others.

I actually thought she did a very good job with her reply, given the complexity of the issue. I have to say, I was impressed. And, imo, Dodd’s answer was AWFUL.

Drivers w/o drivers licenses and no tracking for automobile insurance is one of the reasons CA has such high insurance rates. Maybe that perspective helped me get the point of what Clinton was saying.

As someone said on Hardball tonight she needs to take this on frontally. This issue of having unknowns throughout America is a serious national security issue. She has a winner on her hands, as much as Tweety would like to see it destroy her, if she plays her cards right. Which, of course, she will.

Another possible way that one could resolve this problem is to use the AAA’s system of issuing International Drivers Licenses. That way you wouldn’t have to be a US citizen to obtain one, it wouldn’t indicate either that status or legal residency. You could pick one up in Mexico or in the US once competancy in driving was demonstrated (either by the license of the nationals country or by a driving test).

Since foreigners with one of these can rent cars and obtain insurance I can’t think of any najor reason this progam could be expanded to more peopl. Safer streets, less state liability, fewer

SnarkaPUMPKIN Cassie @ 100

Good night y’all.

Only two more shopping hours and 11 minutes until Cassie’s birthday!

G’night Cassie and it’s already your b’day here so happy birthday.

Chicago Politics didn’t Mike Ryoko write about an alderman who might have burgalized his own office or was it a fire bombing? I need to buy more Ryoko books.
The thing is the alderman use the story against his opponet because everyone assumed his opponet did it.
Thing is Hilary and the other folks are not from Chicago they might have but none will assume with a certainty that she did it.
Hilary is the only sucspect nobody will believe Dennis or Dodd did it.

Pachacutec @ 89

OT: Oy. I’m 20 pages in to a 40 page transcript of last night’s debate.

I have notes all over, but one big thing standing out is how Pills Limbaugh fan Brian Williams and Libby Trial exposed GOP tool Russert went totally nuts setting up Clinton to be attacked.

I’m keeping track of how the other jumped in, and how they framed their points, using either right wing memes or other approaches, and I’m still getting through it. But as I keep reading this, I’m getting pissed at the way she’s being targeted by the whole vent.

I think in the end it may work to her advantage, in spite of the fact there are very many legitimate ways to criticize her or hold her positions up to accountability.

Yup. Watched it. As I recall, the only other one brave, hard-hitting Timmeh went after was Kucinich, for seeing UFOs.

Obama, after all the build-up, didn’t even go after her until a number of hits had been scored.

Both Dodd and Edwards damaged themselves (in my view) for other stances they took. The first real debate, and no one scored. Sigh.

thanks pete!

Pectopah @ 93

The I am not GAY proof

1. I am a Republican
2. I am a law abiding citizen — Definition of a republican
3. I am married
4. Gay marriage is ILLEGAL — Cuz I made it so.
5. Since I am Married, and law abiding, and it is illegal to be married if you are gay, I must not be gay.

Q.E.D.

Dabbling in Thorstein Veblen today. Why the rich are conservative, and must shun those that think. But it’s all a show and everything must be rationalized. But the id will out, I guess.

Things Come Undone @ 103

Chicago Politics didn’t Mike Ryoko write about an alderman who might have burgalized his own office or was it a fire bombing? I need to buy more Ryoko books.
The thing is the alderman use the story against his opponet because everyone assumed his opponet did it.
Thing is Hilary and the other folks are not from Chicago they might have but none will assume with a certainty that she did it.
Hilary is the only sucspect nobody will believe Dennis or Dodd did it.

Don’t forget, Rove bugged his own office.

The happiest of ALL possible birthdays to you, Cassie!

SnarkaPUMPKIN Cassie @ 105

thanks pete!

Happy birthday tomorrow from one who has his on Friday!

Things Come Undone @ 103

Chicago Politics didn’t Mike Ryoko write about an alderman who might have burgalized his own office or was it a fire bombing? I need to buy more Ryoko books.
The thing is the alderman use the story against his opponet because everyone assumed his opponet did it.
Thing is Hilary and the other folks are not from Chicago they might have but none will assume with a certainty that she did it.
Hilary is the only sucspect nobody will believe Dennis or Dodd did it.

Didn’t Rove bug his own candidate’s office and blame it on the competition?

GordonM @ 104

Pachacutec @ 89

OT: Oy. I’m 20 pages in to a 40 page transcript of last night’s debate.

I have notes all over, but one big thing standing out is how Pills Limbaugh fan Brian Williams and Libby Trial exposed GOP tool Russert went totally nuts setting up Clinton to be attacked.

I’m keeping track of how the other jumped in, and how they framed their points, using either right wing memes or other approaches, and I’m still getting through it. But as I keep reading this, I’m getting pissed at the way she’s being targeted by the whole vent.

I think in the end it may work to her advantage, in spite of the fact there are very many legitimate ways to criticize her or hold her positions up to accountability.

Yup. Watched it. As I recall, the only other one brave, hard-hitting Timmeh went after was Kucinich, for seeing UFOs.

Obama, after all the build-up, didn’t even go after her until a number of hits had been scored.

Both Dodd and Edwards damaged themselves (in my view) for other stances they took. The first real debate, and no one scored. Sigh.

Actually, I read the transcript as Obama making an immediate character attack on Clinton’s “honesty” in his first statement of the debate. Even Ricjhradson, after defending her, suggested only a governor could be elected, making the electability argument very directly after eschewing Clinton attacks a breath before.

Fern @ 99

Steve-AR @ 45

OT..The Latest Edwards attack on Hillary:

TPM

IMO, this is just stupid..has the Edwards’ campaign decided to follow Obama over the cliff?

Oh great. Fear tactics. Like there hasn`t been enough of that yet.

if these guys keep acting like idiots, the only candidate we will be left with will be Hillary… geez, John! what kind of fuckery is this?

Jinx, Pec. Owe you a coke.

jc inOR @ 92

Pectopah @ 78

jc inOR @ 65

But when I did have cable, there were several times that MSNBC — and only MSNBC — would dissappear for a few nights. I would call and complain and get a service interruption credit.

Nope. There was a card announcing changes, and this wan’t one of them, but starting today, MSNBC is gone & I confirmed that from the lineup Comcast has online. Oh, well. No need to go on, and on as I have been. Thanks.

Go on and on, please. Do you have the option of choosing a different cable company or is it now impossible for you to get MSNBC?

TeddySanFran @ 113

Jinx, Pec. Owe you a coke.

I owe you the coke, since you said jinx first!

cinnamonape @ 101

…Another possible way that one could resolve this problem is to use the AAA’s system of issuing International Drivers Licenses. …

The usual crowd will denounce this as the first step towards One World Government, of course.

Things Come Undone @ 103

Chicago Politics didn’t Mike Ryoko write about an alderman who might have burgalized his own office or was it a fire bombing? I need to buy more Ryoko books.
The thing is the alderman use the story against his opponet because everyone assumed his opponet did it.
Thing is Hilary and the other folks are not from Chicago they might have but none will assume with a certainty that she did it.
Hilary is the only sucspect nobody will believe Dennis or Dodd did it.

If a Chicago alderman did it, Royko wrote about it. And the list of things that Chicago aldermen didn’t do during Royko’s lifetime was quite short.

SnarkaPUMPKIN Cassie @ 100

Good night y’all.

Only two more shopping hours and 11 minutes until Cassie’s birthday!

Good night & happy birthday.

I’m really confused about “personal attacks.” Electability isn’t a personal attack, and neither is “I’m a governor and have run a state, unlike everyone else on this stage.”

The issues of “honesty” and “trust” come closer to personal attacks, but I still didn’t hear them that way from the male candidates last nite.

This is a primary. We are supposed to talk openly about the relative weaknesses and strengths of all the candidates. And every candidate will talk the most about the front-runner’s weaknesses or perceived weaknesses. That’s not a “personal attack.” It’s because she’s the front-runner and all the others want to compare themselves to her.

imho
ymmv

IRT Comcast and MSNBC: No wonder Bill O’Reilly beats Olberman. I ran into this in S.Carolina a few yrs back. No MSNBC in the hotel. Fortunately, it was available on my last visit.

Sorry, late to the party and to EPU but WOO! Yeah for John Cole!

solai @ 114

jc inOR @ 92

Do you have the option of choosing a different cable company or is it now impossible for you to get MSNBC?

Comcast was by far the best here, the options being satellite and dsl. I’ve starte complaining to Comcast, and will Google the issue. Some crap called digital TV is involved in the fuckery, and I am losing interest. Maybe we will go to basic cable: weather, local news and c-span and save 35 bucks a month. We’ve got a couple hundred classic movie videos and a library lc inOR has amassed. There are many notable books there that I haven’t even cracked. I leared more about the end of the Iraq war in Thucydides than I ever learned on TV.

We need a liscense system or other id for Hispanics right now all Al Quieda has to do is learn Spanish.
Wallmart, McDonalds etc have to stop going for cheap labour and risk hiring workers who can complain, unionize, demand higher wages because they have a right to be here.
Otherwise we will have to ban all illegals after the next terror attack given the likly public mood after an attack.
Legal immgrants getting lets say getting 10% better wages is better for farmers and meat packers than a 100% American workforce expecting a living wage.
I’m just ussing an argument the business wing of the GOP can understand personaly I think everyone should get a living wage.
But if the GOP gets the terror attack they need to win (and Rudy prays for) then illegals will be forced out and employers will have to offer a living wage. Does the GOP not understand side effects or bank shots in pool?

TRex, is upstairs…

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Pachacutec @ 111

GordonM @ 104

Yup. Watched it. As I recall, the only other one brave, hard-hitting Timmeh went after was Kucinich, for seeing UFOs.

Obama, after all the build-up, didn’t even go after her until a number of hits had been scored.

Both Dodd and Edwards damaged themselves (in my view) for other stances they took. The first real debate, and no one scored. Sigh.

Actually, I read the transcript as Obama making an immediate character attack on Clinton’s “honesty” in his first statement of the debate. Even Ricjhradson, after defending her, suggested only a governor could be elected, making the electability argument very directly after eschewing Clinton attacks a breath before.

Obama’s opening statement was delivered very weakly, almost apologetically. He said nothing with any vigor until well into the debate. He did himself no favors – he can’t come on strong until they’re already on the ropes.

As far as how they looked (not reflected in the transcript), they each had moments of looking strong, outweighed by times when they were fumbling for a response. Edwards was stronger than most, but it was somewhat out of character.

For me, at least, it was the first real debate, but no one advanced. They all f*cked up at some point.

Teddy: I like attacks, disputes, argument. They help clarify. What I’m doing is my own refereeing of what I think is okay to do as a lefty and what is not.

I think it’s okay to make an argument that I, Pach, am the best candidate, and the most likely to be successful in a general. I don’t think it’s okay to say that some other member of the party is a sure loser. Between those lines are many possible constructions, and I’m attending to them.

Things Come Undone @ 103

Chicago Politics didn’t Mike Ryoko write about an alderman who might have burgalized his own office or was it a fire bombing? I need to buy more Ryoko books.
The thing is the alderman use the story against his opponet because everyone assumed his opponet did it.
Thing is Hilary and the other folks are not from Chicago they might have but none will assume with a certainty that she did it.
Hilary is the only sucspect nobody will believe Dennis or Dodd did it.

I’m pretty sure that alderman’s name was Hubbard, and he rep’d the Douglas area on the South side.

Wow, I’d forgot that story. I’ll bet Hillary “Park RIdge” Clinton heard it somewhere along the line, as well as Barack “Hyde Park” Obama. However, they’re both pretty far down my list of suspects.

Had McGovern wrapped up the nomination by June 17, the night of the second, successful but busted break-in?

Pectopah @ 93

The I am not GAY proof

1. I am a Republican
2. I am a law abiding citizen — Definition of a republican
3. I am married
4. Gay marriage is ILLEGAL — Cuz I made it so.
5. Since I am Married, and law abiding, and it is illegal to be married if you are gay, I must not be gay.

Q.E.D.

Or my straight Marriage was never legal in the first place!

Valley Girl @ 83

Howie had a post about that. Said the details were x rated.

Howies banner at the top of DWT is:

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” – Sinclair Lewis

I just had to revise that:

“When gay republicans come the Hollywood Erotic Boutique they will be wrapped in red lingerie and whipping their skippies”

(I hope the last part is not terribly rude. At least not a lot ruder than I think it is.)

I think Sinclair Lewis also said: “When fascism comes to America, it will make landfall in California.”

cindy loo hoo and Kobe dressed for halloween!

Either Fred Hubbard, 1970s vintage, or Tyrone Kenner, 1980s

Mods can you fix my comment @128 sorry if I’m double posting my connection is loose. the “Or my straight marrige was never legal in the first place” is mine not Pectopah’s thank you.

Things Come Undone @ 132

Mods can you fix my comment @128 sorry if I’m double posting my connection is loose. the “Or my straight marrige was never legal in the first place” is mine not Pectopah’s thank you.

refresh the page as it is fixed courtesy of The Lurking Mod

You Rock Lurking Mod!

Fern @ 99

Steve-AR @ 45

OT..The Latest Edwards attack on Hillary:

TPM

IMO, this is just stupid..has the Edwards’ campaign decided to follow Obama over the cliff?

Oh great. Fear tactics. Like there hasn`t been enough of that yet.

When you’ve got nothing else, resort to fear tactics.

I’d like something I’ve been saying off and on for a while now, if all they can criticize Edwards for is his haircut, then he must be doing everything else right!

OldCoastie @ 112

Fern @ 99

Oh great. Fear tactics. Like there hasn`t been enough of that yet.

if these guys keep acting like idiots, the only candidate we will be left with will be Hillary… geez, John! what kind of fuckery is this?

Jeez Louise, it was Halloween humor. Look at it for gosh sakes. It’s like an Onion article, only more real.

Face it, we all think the Dem is going to win because of a backlash against Bush. Simple. The question about electability has more to do with down-ticket coattails. Will Hillary offer any or does she not wear that kind of coat? Do any of the other candidates, such as Edwards, look good in a tux?

Don’t lose your humor.

Republicans have been gearing up since day 1 to make Hillary out to be a criminal lowlife. Note that Hannity started again with Vince Foster months ago…

Surely they will try to make it look like Hillary is behaving like Nixon. Or have you forgotten those unbelieveably lame pseudo-scandals of travelgate, filegate and so on?

The Obama burglaries are a republican tactic to trash Hillary or my name is really Albert J :)

My question is: did Obama REALLY have sensitive documents left in an OFFICE?

If so, it seems HE (or his staff) doesn’t think about history.

Hopefully, he has double-crossed them. If not, Not Ready To Be President, for sure.

Whatever they stole was of very little value . . . I suspect the usual rich candidate campaign suspects. Have Louis round them up.

Does one of the presidential campaigns have a Plumbers Unit? Is there a campaign so awash with money that some of it just ends up in the hands of a wrong-headed person with poor judgment?

Yes. I would put nothing past these Clintonistas.

Power Politics draws these creeps the same way manure draws flies..

Anyone else wonder if Blackwater has a part to play in this? Aren’t they all lawyered up with Hill staffers?

None of this means Hillary has any idea it is going on,though, these creeps never show their real face to the campaign, they kiss butt and grovel to the candidates, smiling all the while like angelic children.

But when the bgoss is gone, they start manipulating for their personal benefit, twisting strategies and breaking rules for their own personal futures, not for the good of democracy or our struggling nation.

Albert J @ 137

Republicans have been gearing up since day 1 to make Hillary out to be a criminal lowlife. Note that Hannity started again with Vince Foster months ago…

Surely they will try to make it look like Hillary is behaving like Nixon. Or have you forgotten those unbelieveably lame pseudo-scandals of travelgate, filegate and so on?

The Obama burglaries are a republican tactic to trash Hillary or my name is really Albert J :)

Hubert J; The Republicans won’t start their crap until Hillary’s “the man”, this comes from closer quarters. And it isn’t the candidates doing this, whether it’s an Obama-ite making up a phony victim scenario, or a Clintonista looking for muck to rake.

The suggestion that too much money in this process leaks over to the dark side (Is there a campaign so awash with money that some of it just ends up in the hands of a wrong-headed person with poor judgment?) is aan arrow in the bullseye, for every dollar that is spent on advertising, “the creeps” (political operatives willing to do anything to win) spend a dime on this kind of subterfuge.

Until the candidates start to figure out who the creeps are and who is a righteous defender of the realm, the creeps will always find a way to commit their mischief.

I think the Edwards campaign is seeing the light, though, Trippi’s hand is growing ever more influential, and he’s one of the good guys.

But unless they are willing to seek out the true nature of their staffers, the candidates will never get over this conundrum. Public financing of political campaigns, caps on total advertising budgets and limits on contributions would all help alleviate the porblem.

But the MSM would have to give up what has become a multi-billion dollar cash cow that wanders back into their pasture every two years. So you won’t see the conversation anywhere in the media, it is relegated to coffee-shops, water-coolers and the Blogs.

Unfortuantely for our democracy, most pols still want to find their own Karl Rove, someone they believe will give them a victory no matter what the cost.

Someone who is willing to handle every “detail.”

And, as we all have learned over our lives, THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS!

And into politics.

Sounds like what happened in October 2004 to the Lucas County Democratic HQ (Toledo Blade link).

Search on something like ‘Democratic laptop stolen’ and see if you don’t start to think that maybe there’s a pattern. Laptops stolen and other easier to fence stuff left behind, including cash.

From The Blade:
Instead, what overnight thieves took from Lucas County Democratic Headquarters were financial data, volunteer rolls, Election Day strategy, and other sensitive information just three weeks before voters head to the polls.

I’ve been compiling a list of political burglaries over the last several years. The strange thing about burglaries is that they are often reported as local crimes — so it takes a little extra effort to collect them all in one place to map the full extend of the problem.

Here’s the link.