Guess we’ll see whether John Tanner ends up being the fall guy to save the Hans von Spakovsky FEC nomination. Or not. The HJC is holding a hearing today, beginning at 10 am ET which will be broadcast on C-Span3, on the DOJ Civil Rights Division. And just based on the witness list, it looks like it will be a fairly contentious oversight morning, to say the least.
– More on Hans von Spakovsky here, here and from Digby here. And trust me, that’s just for starters.
– More on Tanner from emptywheel here. And from ePluribus media and the Campaign Legal Center.
– The Muck has a great summary of the hoo haw between Toby Moore, Tanner and the DOJ. And it is not pretty.
– Robert Driscoll testified before the SJC back in June regarding the fault lines at the Civil Rights Division, and how detrimental that is to long-term law enforcement.
Will try to liveblog as much as I can of the hearing this morning. As always, please try to keep comments to a minimum to help keep the blogging running smoothly. The more I have to switch threads because of high comment load, the more I may miss in terms of transcribing, and the further I get behind with the stop and start of the TIVO. So keep that in mind on the one liners and the zed race, and then just don’t do it. Thanks.
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10:04 am ET: Hearing room is filling — C-Span3’s coverage has begun. Should be underway shortly.
REP. NADLER OPENING: Good morning. Committee hearing called to order, continuing oversight of the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division. The right to vote is is the bulwark of our other rights. Without an effective franchise, all of our other rights are vulnerable. For that reason, our nation’s history has been one of fulfilling the promise of our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution by progressively extending the right to vote to all citizens. That struggle has taken generations.
But the struggle to be sure that the legal right to vote translates into an actual right cast a ballot and ensure that it is counted accurately continues to be a struggle. Discussion of the hearings on the Voting Rights Act, and the requirements thereunder. Says that he takes the Voting Rights Act very seriously. Today we examine the Civil Rights Division at the DOJ – suggestions that politics has intruded into the voting rights process and other matters in the department, like many other aspects of the DOJ. The work of the voting rights section is too important to allow this to continue without accountability.
Calls into question a number of recent statements made by Mr. Tanner, head of the division, that cal into question not only his commitment to enforcement, but his understanding of minority and other interests. Looks forward to the testimony of witnesses today, and now opening by ranking member.
REP. FRANKS (R-AZ) OPENING: The voting section of the Civil Rights Division protects voting rights of Americans through numerous enforcement activities. Proper functioning of this department is essential to the integrity of our voting process, and oversight of this function is proper. Goes into the recent Gonzales decision on voting integrity issues with illegal immigrants in AZ, and the AZ laws on voter identification and other issues. Goes into the recent commission on identification (voter ID, driver’s license and others) with photo requirements for increasing voter confidence. Argues that requiring photo IDs increases the likelihood that voters who are afraid their votes won’t be counted will be assured that they will be.
REP. CONYERS OPENING: With all of the work we have been doing to rehabilitate the DOJ, there is no section that is more important to me than the Voting Rights Section. Goes into the importance of oversight. Welcomes Tanner to the hearing, and notes he brought his wife and daughter along, which will probably make them be more polite than usual with them in the audience. But we are in a crisis where protecting the right to vote, the continuing integrity of the ballot – what we are trying to determine is what went wrong, to understand what the present situation is, and of course the issue is what are we going to do about it? I am concerned about the time between now at the end of October and the first week of November next year.
There have been more challenges and problems with ballots over the last 7 years…than any time since I have been on this committee. So I am very happy that we have people on the Constitution Committee working with us on this. We have to work beyond and between these public hearings. The decline of Section 2 cases is unprecedented in the history of the DOJ. We are talking about ONE case being prosecuted in SIX years. We are talking about the citizens commission on civil rights criticizing decisions made by the chief of the voting section, well before Mr. Tanner arrived in that position. We are investigating career attorney recommendations being stripped out by someone else on Section 5 enforcement questions. We are talking about the IG raising multiple complaints about the section leader and the staff about the abuse of travel funds and potentially defrauding the government. There are astounding questions about people selecting litigation locations based on preference for vacations, not based on the merits of the litigation. From Ohio, we got a letter to defend the decision to maldistribute voting machines disproportionately in Franklin County, OH, to white areas rather than to predominantly black areas there. I’m going to revise and extend my remarks, but we have had a lot of complaints…a lot…and we have a big job in front of us.
NADLER goes over procedure for today, notes that there is a hearing coming up later in the same room, so they have to keep things moving this morning. Introducing witnesses. Swears in Tanner.
TANNER OPENING: Thank you for the opportunity. First notes that he has apologized to the National Latino (CHS notes: ? – can’t get this word – sounds like Progresso? Congresso?) [UPDATE: It's Congreso. H/T to HotPotatoMash who was there and got video.] on the impact voter identification laws for the elderly and minorities. Explanation of data came across in a hurtful way, and he deeply regrets that. Reports do not reflect his commitment to working on voting rights from the time when he was a teenager in Birmingham, AL, working on voting rights issues back in the 1960s, stuffing envelopes and taking African Americans to the polls to vote. In 1976, he joined the Voting Section. Has helped to obtain voting rights under Section 5, has helped with legislative plans which have brought in many African-American legislators, etc. Goes through credentials and honors from working on civil rights and voting rights cases through the years, including from local NAACP branches and others.
Since 2002, the section has filed twice as many cases as they had prior to that under the act. During that time, they have filed a majority of all cases ever filed under the substantive provision of the Act on behalf of Latinos, a majority of all cases on behalf of Asian Americans, and over 70 percent of all cases brought on behalf of African Americans under the Act of Section 208. Since becoming chief in June 2005, have worked to protect and extend voting rights of all Americans. Discusses work in Euclid, OH; Florida; minority groups and disabled persons. Since I became chief, the pace has nearly doubled. The section has averaged 8 new cases per year. In 2006, the section brought 18 new cases – more than in any other years. These have been important cases. We have seen segregated polling places, ethnic slurs, race based challenges, voters leaving the polls in tears, and ballots actually taken from voters and marked contrary to their wishes. We go into court to stop these practices.
The section is so effective because of the enthusiasm of the hard workers and self-starters in the section. I have to make hard decisions, which are based solely on the precedent and the law. Loves working on these issues, and appreciates the opportunity to respond to questions.
REP. NADLER QUESTIONS: Starts right off with the George Voter ID Law. Georgia submitted its law for Section 5 clearance. We now know that 4 out of 5 attorneys in the section objected to the law, and filed a detailed 51-page memo to you including a factual investigation and detailed analysis on why the DOJ should object to this, and why the plan was likely to discriminate against black voters. But they were overruled by higher level DOJ officials. Von Spakovsky and Schlotzman testified that you played a substantial role in approving the law. Is it your position that you were able to give substantial consideration to this between the 25th when you got the memo and the 26th when you approved it? Tanner says that they were doing review on this for quite a while before the report – the statistical data demonstrated that it did not warrant an object under the very narrow consideration under Section 5. Nadler interjects that the staff memo says that it did demonstrate a problem in their view – and Tanner says that he’s in an awkward situation and can’t discuss the internal deliberations due to their client confidence. Nadler says it’s been testified to in the Senate and is public information. Tanner says he won’t discuss it, there were ongoing, numerous discussions and reviews. Nadler asks if the internal memo was forwarded to the front office? Yes. Tanner says that the review and decision came from him. Nadler says that it was long-standing practice that when the staff and the section chief disagreed, that a separate memo was submitted by the section chief, and then the DAG made a decision based on both arguments. Tanner says he’s not sure, he was outside Section 5 review from 1995 until recently and he’s made some changes to procedure in voting rights section.
Going over the burden of proof issues for this particular matter. Tanner says that statistically, the number of people in GA who had photo ID from the DMV alone was larger statistically than the minimum number they look for. There were also a large number of people who had photo ID that was non-driver’s. Other information showed that non-whites were more likely than whites to have voter ID. All of those factors. Nadler says he’s not going to go into the fact that a number of those figures were quite erroneous and that GA had to correct them, and that federal court in GA had problems with the act. Tanner says they didn’t reject the Act under Section 5 – but did reject it on Constitutional grounds. Tanner says the only thing they could look at was the Section 5 grounds, and not the Constitutional questions/violations or statutory violations – confined to the narrow questions under Section 5.
REP. FRANKS QUESTIONS: Asks Tanner to explain the federal case on the GA ID law. Tanner says that there were poll tax, constitutional questions, discrimination questions, and others addressed – but not Section 5 questions. There was a similar claim on Section 2, but that the court didn’t issue an injunction on that either. Statutory claims were rejected, but constitutional grounds against the GA ID law were upheld for injunction. What are you doing to ensure a fair vote in the upcoming election? Since he became chief, they have taken up more than 20 cases. Active election day monitoring – nearly 2000 people out monitoring the polls, to be certain that they can analyze problems on election day in the field. Every year set a record for people involved. Also try to get information gathered in a way that it can later be used as evidence in federal court. What are your greatest accomplishments since you’ve been chief? Greatest one is to develop a system to enforce the minority language issues – and in bringing lawsuits. Challenge now is to develop similar plans for law enforcement. Trying to do as much for everyone as we possibly can. Carter/Baker report on election reform – questions about people who are registered to vote in other states and also registered in FL. Questions about a large number of those voting in both states. How do we address that – what is your approach? Tanner says that falls within the criminal division of the DOJ. Voting Rights helps provide voter access, but doesn’t enforce fraud issues.
Am going to begin a fresh thread because the post is getting a little long…
Related posts:
- Blue Dog John Tanner (TN): No “Mass Support” for Public Option; “Probably Not” Going to Happen
- John Dean: Is Boies/Olson’s Federal Anti-Prop 8 Filing A Risk?
- Public Option Whip Count: Jerry Nadler Goes “Splunge!”
- John Conyers to Vote “No” on Supplemental
- Von Spakovsky Accuses Obama Civil Rights Team of “Nakedly Political” Acts; NYT Fails to Note HvS’s Own Partisan Work





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zed will notify downstairs
Zed?
Morning, Christy…
“The zed race.” I like that. I’ll simply lurk throughout the thread.
Well the Oversight hearing isn’t on Iran at the moment but on periodical postal rates which actually is an important topic.
Not quite OT but . . .
It seems that DiFi not only didn’t block Southwick, she talked other dems into voting FOR him.
RevDeb @ 5
And that suprises you? Did you read about her trip out to CA with The Decider? She better retire in ‘12 otherwise I hope she gets a very serious primary challenger. She is fast becoming as bad as HoJo.
Oh – Nadler is overseeing the hearing.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 6
What surprises me is seeing it in print in a serious newspaper.
Has anyone done any research on how Hans’ folks got into the U.S. after WWII? What with their settling into a colony of German rocket scientists down in Huntsville, Alabama. Only the elder von Spakovsky and his wife weren’t rocket scientists, which suggests that they were imported via yet another CIA program. The CIA imported a number of European fascists (who’d collaborated with the Nazis) in order to influence and infiltrate immigrant communities in the U.S. I strongly suspect that von Spakovsky’s family history is aligned with the secret history of the American right and the CIA, and as such would be a most fascinating window into the CIA’s work in politically influencing our country. As a primer on this subject I suggest people read BLOWBACK by Christopher Simpson.
So my question is: What did Papa von Spakovsky do in the war?
Lord, Trent Franks, my congresscritter. I have never met him nor do I want to. He has never been to the reservation that I am aware of.
AZ Matt @ 10
He was on Hardball and was notably wingnut!
The wife and kids aren’t going to matter to Conyers. I am glad he is laying out his concerns after Franks trying to steer stuff towards the voter fraud non-issue.
Lack of investigation in voter rights cases and ignoring recommendations of career staff.
Well. At least we have Mukasey to look forward to. This is a giant who will right the DOJ ship of state. Mukasey is no political hack. No siree.
OT, but…Warren Buffet on Today Show talking about the poll he took within his office and his office help, including the receptionist, pay a much higher percentage of their income in taxes than he does. Says he paid apx 17%, whereas his receptionist was at about 32%, and most of the office personnel were in the 30% range. He’s now challenging other billionaires to do the same with their offices for a real eye opener. He thinks a progressive consumption tax would be more fair (although I have no idea how you’d make a consumption tax progressive.) He’s great, isn’t he?!!
[Mod Note; Please, to help Christy out so she doesnt have to break her fast paced live-blogging stride to put up a new post, let’s limit the comments to the topic of the live blogging. Thanks!]
Tanner starts with an apology. Rut Roh!!!
Tanner: I am not a crook.
Hearings are great. So long as they produce tangible results that the American voter can relate to.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
Morning Kiddo! Oh my. What would we do without your surgically precise mini-op-eds. Gotta love em! ;->
Democracy’s missed opportunity. No impeachment hearings.
Oh hear we go again with the “internal deliberations.”
Sounds as if Tanner makes decisions the way a turtle decides how and when to cross a road.
I fear this is apt to get a bit messy.
What is the story with the claims these reThugs of attorney/client privilege? I thought that went out the window for discussions between government employees during the Clinton witch hunt.
And a big Oklahoma *g* and good morning and ;0) to you too! Adie.
“What is your greatest accomplishment?” Gotta luv it.
So imo Tanner’s appears to be saying it was ruled by the courts to be unconstitutional but not ruled discriminatory to minorities so there….what an ass…it’s still effin wrong… what an idjit. Plus notice how he and Nadler just glosses over the statistics he used to say it wasn’t discriminatory were all bogus.
Franks is such a tool.
People retire to Florida, and presumably register to vote. I doubt the average person would bother to unregister at his old place of residence.
Conyers just put Tanner on notice. He’s not having any bs.
Mr. T. would make a terrific govt prof at Librrrteee U. snnggggghghghhzzz
i nebba hoid such tortured, excruciatingly boring delivery in me whole student careeeeer. goodgawd!
Oh, and he has such a cute way of hitching hisself up and bouncing in his chair when he finishes with one questioner & turns to face another. Hmmm. Did some wag put sillyputty on teacher’s chair again? Bad bad Dems.
Oooh. Thanks for the save Rep. Conners. Don’t need that extra caffeine after all! HAH! I think I’m in luv! Go git im yeehaw!
Back at ya OKK. I gotta tape my thumbs together and just lurk, lest i get in trubble yet agin. ;->
yellowdogD @ 26
I never thought to unregister anywhere, never did
1,643 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahomakiddo and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Someday we are all gunna wake up, rub the foggy dew outta our eyes and say “What the fuck??!!” … and then we’ll all meet on the street in the direction of liberty and democracy on the way to thowin’ these criminal goblins and cretins down toward the last circle of Dante’s Hell.
I am sooo sick of havin’ ta explain ta my kids that those folks who show up in front a the TV cameras to explain their actions in response to the demands of our laws and constitution are NOT representative of the great body of public servants who have taken these responsibilities over the last 200 years. I am tired of havin’ to explain to these kids and their friends that all public servants are not larcenous charlatans and corporate con men…and after the last 6 years, the kids don’t believe me. These ass-lickin’ rodents are killin’ our history and there is nuthin we ken do about it because Nancy One Note has taken impeachment offa the table!!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND DUCK IF YA HEAR AN EXPLOSION, IT MIGHT JEST BE THE NORSKE’S LAST BRAIN CELL!!
I wonder how long till Tanner claims Executive Privilege? I say, 4 hours and 10 minutes. Oh wait, he isn’t covered under that yet. But that hasn’t stopped anyone before. 4 hours 20 minutes.
Remove Pelosi, Impeach Cheney
How to Declare the Speaker Seat Vacant.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/ 2007/ 10/ 29/ how-to-declare-the-speaker-seat-vacant/
Elliott @ 27
Right, I don’t believe registering in two places in and of itself is a crime at all. Lying about your official residence at the time you register or voting in both places is, but not simply registering in two places.
realworld @ 31
A possibility? Really outdated records kept by town hall. Makes campaign calls more difficult.
The thing that’s so frustrating is that after seven years we have a commuted Libby. That’s it.
the persona of an aging kindergarten teacher…
that simpering smile…
A Mr. Rogers, gone to the dark side… eew!
Artur Davis calling BS on Tanner’s apology.
Artur Davis eviscerating him on his statement about “minorities don’t become elderly like white people do because they die first.”
Helen @ 35
Tanner squirming. Oh, this is good.
Helen @ 38
exactly the word I would use *squirm*
Whoa — Davis is hitting him hard. Any facts to support that assertion?
i disagree with some of Artur Davis’ politics (too conservative for me)… but boy is he good on the hjc. smart, insightful and informed. just golden.
selise @ 40
ditto.
The gal in the video cover looks like Lana Turner.
Tanner reduced to squirm-and-stammer mode. oh my.
Davis is superb! Right to the point. allowing absolutely NO filibustering. Beeeooootiful!
Tanner picking nose after Davis done with him, then tries respond to the nice R Rep. King, but forgot to readjust tangled vocal cords 1st, so it came out as a brief squeak.
He won’t last 4 hrs. Not w/o a break or several.
Tanner is toast—at least I hope there is some way of getting rid of him, but then again, he knows the party line and toes it well.
OT (since the thread is not filling up really fast) Aravosis has a new line of t-shirts.
anyone notice how many Rs vs how man Ds on the HJC are present for this hearing?
King playing the illegal immigration card.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz up. We love her.
Helen @ 48
We do too. I wish OH could
borrowsteal her but, to be honest, I admit you guys need her just as much, sigh. ;->R. Ralph Regula retiring in OH (gerrymandered crazy-quilt district in Stark Co, pieces-parts of Medina Co. etc. etc. etc). Anyone know any blue-Amer. Dems. to take a shot? The territory has turned from red to blue, so it’s ripe for the picking…
Keith Ellison up—”Exactly what are you apologizing for?”
My critter Ellison…
Another mewling, pathetic, lying stooge.
-GSD
Biodun @ 50
lucky you.
This guy is getting a good schooling. What exactly is he apologizing for? Where did he get his facts?
NorskeFlamethrower says:
October 30th, 2007 at 7:51 am
1,643 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
I got your 6 on that
GSD @ 52
Thus demonstrating qualities prized by Bush-era Republics.
How do they find these wingnuts like Tanner? This is amazing isn’t it?
It would seem that they have run out of elephants to question the witness.
Voter IDs are free in Georgia? And the docs needed to get one? Geez, last I got copies of my son’s birth certificate in NYC (about 15 years ago), they cost $10/pop. Can’t believe GA does it for $0.
RevDeb @ 58
They tend to cut and run quite often.
-GSD
RevDeb @ 58
Well you can only ask “What’s the best thing you’ve ever done?” a limited number of ways.
Thx CHS
I’m starting to feel sorry for the American people, and that’s Tanner, too, by inclusion, over the embarrassing way everybody’s piling on him right now and he just keeps pretending to grovel while trying to uphold the party line. That Wasserman-Schultz voter fraud exchange was right out of the “Oh Really” segment on Saturday Night Live.
Notice that brief, sweet mini-grin on the gal sitting behind Ellison! And quick whispered comment from the guy – just can’t help himself. Taking in and savoring every word from Ellison. every Tannerstammer. This is excruciating, and educational.
“I’m not familiar with Indiana, not familiar with AZ, ….” = new version of I don’t recall?
Oh someone puleeze ask him just what he IS familiar with, besides weasel-language.
Bush and his crowd are despicable. They have no compunction about hiring stooges and fools to shove their vile agenda down our throats and then they have no compunction about tossing the dupes to the wolves once the heat gets turned up.
Bush is a textbook coward.
Public bluster and personal moral softness.
-GSD
15 minute break for voting.
Well, I think the pain he is suffering at the moment is the only punishment he will ever get for his crimes so I don’t feel sorry for him at all. What they ought to do is impeach him. But he’s not on the top of my list for that.
realworld @ 67
Second that.
Looks like Harold Ford is out and about again.
I Caution Some in Our Party’ (and you know who you are you liberals!)
Harold Ford Jr. on the struggle for the Democrats’ soul
By Jeffrey Bartholet
Newsweek Web Exclusive
Updated: 4:12 PM ET Oct 29, 2007
Click for the rest of the article
It makes you wonder if all of these appointees are living in a bubble.
Wow. I thought Tanner was going to just keel over from anxiety…what a doofus. Pathetic and dangerous….bad combination.
1,43 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I been workin’ all night…I can’t stomach one more word from any more a these lyin’ fascists. I’m goin’ ta bed.
Ain’t Keith Ellison impressive??!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET ANY A THESE BASTARDS INTA YER YARD!!
G.W. Dickwad is lecturing the Democrats about spending and about how to get work done.
What a vile sack of shit.
-GSD
Bush castigates the House for not doing the work of the people. What would that “work” be prez? George claims Democrats are responsible for the budget deficit. And that the Dems are the ones that don’t like children. My God I dislike Bush.
realworld @ 67
I’ve been trying to convince myself that one day we’ll all look back and see Pelosi’s stance on impeachment as wise. So far, no luck.
Chimpy on CSPAN3 saying that SCHIP helps adults. He wants to “sit down in good faith” to find a compromise. BWA HA HA HA HA
Talking about “cynical” political strategy on the part of the democrats.
musicsleuth @ 70
I wonder if they even have time to think about it. Seemingly, they’re too busy imposing political correctitude in every nook & cranny to think twice about anything else except their next paycheck.
George W. Bush is a son of a bitch. Can I get into trouble for saying that?
Can Speaker Pelosi just hold a press conference and call Bush a fuc*ing liar? Please.
This man is so beneath contempt it is galling.
-GSD
Badwater @ 75
Any idea who the Speaker checks with before she makes a decision?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
Most female dogs are not familiar with Barbara Bush so you’re probably ok.
LS @ 71
More importantly…a bigot!
OT:
http://www.boston.com/news/wor….._collapse/
“WASHINGTON – The top US military commander in Iraq warned Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in May that the country’s biggest dam, just up the Tigris River from the northern city of Mosul, is at risk of collapse, putting the city’s 1.7 million people in danger of being inundated by a 65-foot flood wave.”
Now, what the hell is this??
Voting rights? Florida 2000?
snowbird42 @ 82
Definitely!!
OT..during the break
NYT
The rational is that “the kids need to keep eating lead paint so when they grow up they will vote Republican”.
Christy’s upstairs…
New thread HJC: DOG and John Tanner, Part II
LS @ 83
Yep. Baghdad is also in danger. Water will flow into the city.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
her campaign treasurer?
Biodun @ 89
The newest Republican surge.