One of the signs that a nomination is in big trouble is when the planted quote stories start cropping up, and the RedState and other lockstep messaging minions are dispatched to rev up the troops for one last attempt at a surge (no links…you can find the idiocy yourself). And then…the surge doesn’t come.
I’m hearing that the Hans von Spakovsky nomination may be in bigger trouble than is publicly known, that the Bush Administration is scrambling to avoid some “I told you so” egg on their faces…and that they may be willing to throw another DOJ civil rights division employee under the bus to try and save von Spakovsky. And that if action on the nomination doesn’t come before the break for the Thanksgiving holidays, there may be a pulled nomination under consideration. But not before they try their Tanner “hail Mary.” (Strictly Beltway cocktail party gossip passed on to me from someone who attended a recent soiree with some Federalist Society and/or former DOJ pals of von Spakovsky. But a juicy little tidbit if true, isn’t it?)
But first, let’s look at the planted quotes article, shall we? Via the WaPo:
With no resolution in sight to a partisan stalemate over one of President Bush’s nominees to the Federal Election Commission, campaign finance experts said yesterday that there is a real prospect the commission could start the 2008 election year without enough members to take any official action.
“Right now, what we’re watching is a game of chicken,” said Bradley Smith, a former FEC chairman who has been monitoring a simmering Senate battle over Bush nominee Hans A. von Spakovsky. “If nobody blinks before the Senate recess, the commission will be immobilized.”
The standoff over von Spakovsky’s nomination has frozen action on four of Bush’s FEC appointees — two Democrats and two Republicans — to the commission’s six-member board. The votes of four members are needed to take any action. If the Senate does not confirm the nominees before adjourning in December, the FEC will be left with two members….
“This is the first nomination that the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights has ever opposed,” said Wade Henderson, the group’s president. He said he thinks that von Spakovsky would “use his role at the FEC to make it more difficult for voters to exercise their franchise.”…
Smith said he thinks advocacy groups that oppose von Spakovsky’s philosophy on campaign finance matters have ginned up the civil rights issues to ignite the passions of senators who might otherwise not object to his appointment. “The result is that an otherwise routine FEC appointment has turned into a civil rights battle,” he said.
What the WaPo fails to note in this piece are two very important connective pieces. First, that Bradley Smith, who now works as a professor at Capital University Law School (the school people go to when they can’t get into Ohio State), is a former FEC Commissioner, self-proclaimed “libertarian,” and frequent speaker on the Federalist Society election fraud circuit…as is von Spakovsky. The second is that the reporter fails to mention that von Spakovsky worked hand in hand with a McConnell political pal in voter suppression efforts to benefit the GOP after the 2000 election — so those convenient quotes from McConnell’s office poo-poohing von Spakovsky’s involvement in any GOP disenfranchisement schemes are laughable, at best, and hollow…and deserved both a mention and some actual digging.
Something I like to call “investigative journalism” and “honest reporting of the spin.” Oh, and never mind that there is ample evidence of wrongdoing by von Spakovsky. “Ginned up civil rights issue,” my ass.
Try von Spakovsky sockpuppeting an article about voter suppression in violation of DOJ rules while he was still an employee there ostensibly working on civil rights issues. Or how about participating in an effort to disenfranchise elderly Native American voters in Arizona on a technicality rather than working to find a way to support their right to vote. Or the entire gaming the system for The Math scheme at the DOJ. Or that a number of his subordinates at the DOJ wrote in to the Senate to say that von Spakovsky has neither the ethical underpinnings nor the commitment to voting integrity that should not be gamed for political purposes to be anywhere near the FEC. And there is so much more: see Digby and Adam at ePluribusMedia, for starters.
And now to the employee. The Detroit Free Press reports that John Tanner, current head of the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division, will be testifying before the HJC on Tuesday. TheMuck has some background on prior Tanner statements that is not to be missed. And ePluribusMedia reports that Tanner may testify that he, and not former Georgia GOP stalwart von Spakovsky, was responsible for the odious Georgia Voter ID Law — compared by a federal judge to the days of Jim Crow and poll taxes — which the Bush civil rights division tried to replicate nationwide. More from ElectionLawBlog.
I’d like to be able to report that we know all the facts on the Georgia ID law mess…but currently the internal investigation at the DOJ is still languishing in inactivity. And thus, the von Spakovsky nomination languishes in the Senate based on a hold from Sens. Obama and Feingold. Contrary to the assertion from the WaPo that this is a “game of chicken,” it sounds to me exactly like what the Senate is supposed to do: you cannot give adequate advice and consent if the Bush Administration persistently withholds the truth about the nominees.
And given the odor of political gaming of voter’s rights that eminates from von Spakovsky’s long record of partisan action, I’d say that some truth is exactly what the public deserves before he gets any vote at all. It’s called accountability. And I say that Mr. von Spakovsky deserves a vote of no confidence based on his long history of trying to game The Math.



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Christy!
What nasty, elitist snobbery.
Next thing we know, Christy will be making fun of Regent
MadrassaUniversity Law School.We are better off without a functioning FEC than having Hans get approval. At the best of times, the FEC is not very effective but in the wrong hands it could do a lot of damage. The Dems are in a no lose situation.
A single digit! And, I read the entire post! Good work, Christy. I’ll never forgive Feinstein for letting this get this far.
Dump Pelosi
Christy,
Did I hear/read correctly that Tanner is a career DoJ?
I think we’re to the point where just about anyone who has held a position of authority in the Civil Rights division of the BushCo DoJ is tainted and needs to retire. Bring back those who were pushed out by the von Spakovsky’s and AL-VINNN’s.
Steve-AR @ 3
I second that.
I’m hearing that the Hans von Spakovsky nomination may be in bigger trouble than is publicly known…
If we had a proper Judicial Branch, Hans would be facing a judge and a jury.
I don’t understand why they’re so hard-assed about von Spakovsky. Can’t they find someone just as bad, but who’s left no fingerprints?
eCAHNomics @ 8
Der Chimpenführer’s ego won’t allow strategic retreat.
I don’t understand why the dems agreed to bundle the four nominees. Split them up and them each have their damn “up or down vote” and deal with the results.
The Dems moving the Iowa caucus to January 3 is a big advantage for Hillary.
The Iowa caucus is under the best of circumstances an insane system, but this year the insanity is on steroids.
Hi Christy.
Good stuff! Thank you much for all the background. I’ve been wayyy too out-of-touch lately. I feel as if I’m cheating, being spoon-fed all the details. Absolutely spoiled rotten! ;->
Allan at 2 — Actually, it’s an inside joke with a couple of folks I know who went to Capital because they couldn’t get into Ohio State. *g*
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 9
Great crimes demand even greater criminality – they have no choice but to steal any elections they can.
But let’s not kid ourselves – der chimpenführer is not really calling theses shots and it is not cheney and was not rove either.
The interests behind this criminality know that you have to be very quiet when you steal and commit treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.
chimpy is just stupid enough to stand in front of the cameras.
Eventually, we will need to acknowledge that to see meaningful change – there are any number of ignorant tools waiting to take the smirking chimp’s place.
At the risk of asking a Q for which I don’t want to hear the A, who do you have in mind?
Just how does the Arizona voter ID law plays into all this? Does anyone know?
It was a typical Repug fear ballot measure to prevent those
illegalsundocumented persons from flooding over the border and ruining AZ elections by requiring PROOF of citizenship….. which now has prevented the elderly from voting.Due to Prop 200….. we have thousands of newly registered voters being rejected every month…
eCAHNomics @ 8
Maybe Hans is especially maleable because he’s got some weakness they will exploit if he doesn’t do their bidding.
Over at Brad Friedman’s place, they have, among other things, video of John Tanner attempting to excuse the unconscionable behavior of the Civil Rights division at DOJ wrt the Georgia voter ID law. Depraved would be a nice beginning to describe this twisted guy.
Scroll down to the first vid on the page, and there are more equally disturbing videos below.
Christy,
I have a dream that one day we won’t need to fear for our civil rights whenever there’s a political appointment to be made; when all the children are looked after properly, and given an even chance of success, and are welcomed into this world instead of being forced into it against the will of their mothers; when those kept nearer the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder aren’t preyed upon by snake-oil merchants in the guise of politicians, ready to price-gouge, exploit their labor, and their hearts and minds. I have this dream.
Apologies to MLK
eCAHNomics @ 8
Mebbe he knows things & threatens to do extra-curricular mathworking in other realms within the shark tank, a la rover. It’s heQQ lying & havin’ ta’ keep yer stories straight all-the-dam-time, poor kids.
What with the
warpre-emptive invasions, Katrinadregs, wildfires, no-child-behinded, healthNONcare, economess …Sorry. I got no tears to spare for the bubbleboy bums.
eCAHNomics @ 8
Because he’s experienced at election fraud. Just not the kind of experience that is on the side of the angels.
littlebear @ 14
The Republican 2008 Presidential Primary race proves that. But don’t make the mistake of thinking Ghouliani is ignorant. He’s dishonest, cruel, and megamaniacal…but not stupid. He’s dangerous.
Good morning, CHS. OT- You asked for photos from the peace marches on the last thread- I didn’t bring my camera, but @ bravenewfilms.org there’s a good write up & photo of the march in downtown L.A.:
Thousands March Against the War
I did post when I got home verrry early this morning- here it is from EPUville:
“The peace march downtown was incredibly moving. Six friends & I went- we were drizzled on, but who cares in that company- Ron Kovic spoke & many others, & wonderful camaraderie among all who were there. Also great local music. I’m lousy @ estimating #s, but several thousand were undoubtedly there. A nurturing sense of community pervaded the long line of jostling people going down Broadway.
We all need to participate in these marches during the time of BushCo, if for no other reason than to feel a renewed sense of purpose & @ one w/others who feel the same. From the early press here, very little notice paid by the local media- it’s fire wrap up that rules the headlines & on local tv channels. Nary a whisper of our peace march…”
eCAHNomics @ 15
Follow the money trail, a republican icon warned us about the military-industrial complex (of which oil is a major component) – but check it out yourself and come to your own conclusions.
This notion that chimpy is an incompetent idiot and happens to PERFECTLY ACCOMPLISH the neocon agenda has to be squashed. As Greg Palast says,
“Toward the end of the Clinton Administration the Price of a Barrel of Oil was Below $20, Now It Has Reached an All-Time Record of More than $90 a Barrel.”
It’s “Mission Accomplished” and they are laughing all the way to the bank.
Wow. Ask a Q here & gets lotsa good As. Thanks to all.
old gold @ 11
You have a point. But consider this: Iowa is the only state where Hillary is not way ahead in polling. What have we seen/not seen that can account for that? I am no pollster, but I wonder if surveying people who say they are very likely to go to caucuses gives you respondents who are especially politically active and informed.
You have no idea how complicated the caucuses are. I will have a calculator among my tools when I lead the caucus in my precinct. To be a participant, you have to stand up in front of your neighbors and support a candidate. No secret ballot here. People who go to caucuses care about the result enough to go do this in (often) horrid weather at an inconvenient time.
As for the date. The other choice was the 5th. I think a few more days gives the winner or strong second more time to campaign in New Hampshire. The less time, the better for Clinton, who has enough money for saturation bombing on the airwaves.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 22
He is fully capable of taking his “marching orders” if that is what you mean. Yes, dangerous, but the folks that are using him as their front are even more so.
eCAHNomics @ 25
You’re far too modest. The real trick is to ask a really good question! ;->
Susan in Iowa @ 26
littlebear @ 24
Got it & agree for the most part. The way your prior comment was worded, it sounded like you might be referring to some sort of conspiracy theory.
Forget what the first book I read on W was, all the way back in 00, but one point I remember from it is that he was always supported in his failing enterprises because everyone knew he had a good shot at the oval office.
The personalities & actions of W & Vice are still important in the outcome, though, even with the money interests behind them. They’ve done far more damage than other front men might have.
TheOtherWA @ 10
That was Feinstein’s excellent work.
Adie @ 28
Good As & flattery too! Whata great place.
Susan in Iowa
How many times have you met each D candidate?
eCAHNomics @ 30
You want meaningful change – drop the “conspiracy theory” crap – just marginalizing ideas prior to investigation.
If you think stolen elections, destruction of the fiscal integrity of the Federal government, and global agendas like the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and perhaps soon-to-be Iran are spearheaded by a single smirking chimp (or darth vader), respectfully you are a fool.
Governments are inherently run by groups of people – when they work towards illegal ends, it is by definition a “conspiracy”.
littlebear @34
I did drop the conspiracy theory in my second sentence. Then I agreed with you. Your response to me sounds unwarrantedly petulant.
dakine01 @ 5
Tanner is career, and in 1994, as acting chief, he nixed a Louisiana voter ID law that was less pernicious than the Georgia law that he approved. (He was subsequently passed over for the Section Chief position, left the Voting Section, and didn’t come back until the Bush administration.) This shows one of two things and probably both: first, there are other fingerprints on the Georgia preclearance, and second, Tanner is, as Tom Lehrer once said of Werner von Braun, “a man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience.”
And, Christy, one correction: Tanner is not head of the Civil Rights Division. He’s the Chief of the Voting Section, which is one section in the Civil Rights Division. The head of the Civil Rights Division is the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, a political appointee position, held until this summer by Wan Kim, previous to that by Brad Schlozman as acting, and previous to that by Alex Acosta. Kim resigned and hasn’t been replaced (the acting AAG is a woman named Rena Comisac). Tanner was appointed while Acosta was AAG for Civil Rights; at the time, Schlozman and von Spakovsky were de facto running the show.
eCAHNomics @ 33
“Met” or seen in person? I have seen each of them speak live at least once. I have been called on for a question by Richardson, Obama, and Biden. I have shaken hands with Richardson, and Biden, and posed for a photo with Elizabath Edwards, as well as asking her the question I didn’t get called on to ask. I am a CSPAN junkie, and addicted to the Road to the White House series.
Oh, and Obama called me once.
eCAHNomics @ 35
Littlebear tends to be a bit strident.
Von Spakovsky’s dad came to the U.S. after the war and was settled right in the middle of the Nazi rocket scientists down in Alabama. His father was a White Russian to migrated to Germany, married a German woman, then came here in the early fifties. He fits the profile of many Nazi residua who were imported into the U.S. by Allen Dulles and others. In some cases it was for their scientific ability (Werner von Braun, “I shot a rocket in the air, where it lands I know not where”) and in other cases for the reactionary influence that they could bring to different ethnic communities.
So my question to von Spakovsky is, “What did your daddy do in the war?”
eCAHNomics @ 35
reasonable people can disagree…. that’s how MSM and wingnuts marginalize people that want to talk about more than the personalities that serve as distractions
The Orange Bowl is being played on the 3rd. Like it or not, this will skew attendance in favor of women. Like it or not, women on average are trending for Hillary.
The 3rd being so close to the holidays [12-21 or so thru 01-02] will freeze the race at the surface level. But, at the organizational level, where Hillary’s money, connections with the Vilsack machine and experience are significant advantages over the rest of the field, the work will go on at a feverish rate.
I am not writing this as a Hillary supporter or detractor.
Wowsers. Ten Sheiks kidnapped in Baghdad.
How does it go? “One man’s conspiracy theory is another man’s business plan.”
Susan in Iowa @ 38
Here in Manhattan we get no contact with anyone whatsoever. I was curious as to how close & personal the Iowa & NH campaigns get. I once read that no one in NH would consider voting for a candidate if he hadn’t met him/her at least 3 times. Now I knew that was exaggeration, which is why I wanted some real feedback.
Good on you.
old gold @ 42
I wonder if I can get away with setting up a TV in the caucus room. What time is the game played? We caucus at 7.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 39
Can’t speak any other way to those that use the language of MSM to marginalize easy-to-document facts.
Oh – and on 9/11(linky) – most of America no longer believes the “official story”, so those that want to marginalize people that want to know the truth are in the minority and are becoming irrelevant.
Remember – you can poke holes in alternative ideas and make fun of anyone that disagrees with the 9/11 official story all you want, but if any one part of the “official story” can be proved as false, then the entire story unravels…
That will happen, actually already has, and the minority of American’s that believe the lies can’t stop the truth.
Bob In Pacifica @ 40
Funny that von Braun has come into this discussion twice…
Thank you littlebear. I think we have the import of your message.
Susan in Iowa @ 37
Must be nice. Never happens around here.
No, littlebear @ 47. You don’t have the facts on your side re: 9/11.
‘Want to know the facts’ versus ‘9/11 was an inside job’ is not the same thing.
You marginalize yourself. The facts show that the Bush-Cheney Administration performance regarding 9/11 was quite similiar to their performance with regards to Katrina.
They failed to act on the information they received, and lied about it. They failed to respond to the ongoing disaster, and lied about it. And they used the chaos of both disasters for their own nefarious ends.
But to go on to claim they planned 9/11 has no more credence than claiming they planned Katrina.
OT – but speaking of lying liars:
Fox Panel: Dems Are ‘Terribly Weak’ If They Don’t Threaten ‘Devasting Military Strike’ Against Iran
Earlier this week, the Bush administration ratcheted up its rhetoric towards Iran, imposing unilateral sanctions that are considered the “broadest set of punitive measures imposed on Tehran since 1979.” The White House also requested $88 million to equip B-2 “stealth” bombers with a new 30,000-pound bunker buster, which is being seen by members of Congress as a “sign of plans for an attack on Iran.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..stol-iran/
Looks like they are “catapulting the propaganda again” – does anyone really believe that chimpy or darth vader is directing the mighty wurlitzer by themselves?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 51
Your in the minority in terms of what the rest of America things – right, incompetence, sure…
But that’s fine – this is not the forum to discuss this. Think what you want – it won’t matter.
IceJustIce @ 48
Braun’s biographer was on BOOK-TV yesterday at 2:15.
http://www.booktv.org/schedule.aspx
Am reading The Wimp Factor, which sheds an interesting angle on the whole war rhetoric, why the whole macho aggressive posture is used to “sell” it.
Bah.
littlebear — Actually, he’s not in the minority here in terms of demanding actual proof for assertions instead of just taking them as they are stated. And, frankly, I have yet to see real, scientific proof that stands up to scrutiny for any of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. So no, not in the minority on questioning that as far as I’m concerned. Not in the least…
And a general reminder to everyone that civil discussion is encouraged. Being insulting? Not so much. There has been a rash of angry, invective-filled, taking it out on each other bitterness lately. And I’m asking everyone to think before you hit submit. Thanks.
Braun was also the topic of part of Talk of the Nation yesterday.
TOTN
peanutbutter @ 55
Well, the macho aspect is really the WATB/bully/spoiled brat.
It takes a tremendous strength of will to NOT go batsh*t crazy when provoked. Unfortunately, since Carter, there have been few in positions of power who have exhibited that strength of will.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
Proclamations don’t make it so – nationally people have questions, that’s all I am saying.
Oh, and I am not in the mood for this thread to devolve into a big he said, she said conspiracy theory extravaganza. So anyone who wants to talk about how 9/11 was a big governmental inside job can take it to the prior thread. Or not at all. We’ve been down that road ad nauseum about a billion times in the past…and it always devolves into “nuh uh” “uh huh” and, frankly, I’m just not in the mood for it.
smapdi @ 57
Must be the biographer’s book tour.
What I found interesting, knowing nothing about WVB, except for the Tom Lehrer song, is that the Nazi connection was swept under the rug until after he died. Not that I’m surpised.
If pointing out the irrationality of the “incompetent” meme is discourse…
Can’t have it both ways – if they are consistently imposing their will, fully-enabling the neocon agenda, making money hands-over-fist (BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars totally unaccounted for), and setting the fiscal agenda for generations to come; then they aren’t really so “incompetent,” are they.
littlebear — People do have questions, but very little substantive proof. Which is to say they have theories, but no ability to prosecute them with real evidence. And for me, a working theory isn’t proof — it’s just a set of questions waiting for something more. I’m just saying…
dakine01 @ 58
Yeah. It’s just depressing how many people are so easily manipulated with this rhetoric. It’s school yard junk…
…which just brings us back to Orcinus’ point that most of these people are stuck in an emotional age of 5-7 years old.
Agh. How do we get these people to grow up and/or ensure kids today actually grow up. Agh.
OTOH watching my nephews grow up is a real treat. My sister & bil have their heads screwed on straight…
peanutbutter @ 50
If you watch CSPAN you can get close to the campaign the way it is now. In late spring or early summer, you can usually get close to them in small groups. By now, the frontrunner is drawing big crowds and it’s harder to get to ask anything, never mind follow-up.
The Not-Frontrunners are still approachable. We have invited Biden and Dodd to do events here in my little burg. It looks like Biden will do it, in a couple of weeks.
Wholly OT
but I know it’s of interest to fdlers
tonight PBS NATURE is featuring the
Silence of the Bees
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
Good!! How do I access the FDL archives..I was thinking last night that over the past year FDL comments have evolved to have more line opinions and fewer “facts” and data refs. I would like to go back and see if my impression is true or if I am pulling an opinion out of thin air.
Elliott at 66 — oooh — that looks intriguing!
Steve at 67 — There’s this little thing that I like to call “google”… *g*
Elliott @ 66
Just the trailers are alarming. Can’t wait for it.
Oh, and I’d like to point out that saying the comments are one thing, and not participating in the comments the way you’d like to see them be is another thing entirely — passive versus active, so to speak. Two completely different things. Be the change you want to see.
Susan in Iowa @ 65
You’re too nice :-) I was indirectly expressing my extreme annoyance with the primary process which shuts out most of the other states in the process of candidate selection… Barring radical change in how the primaries are done (I’d favor random assignment of primary dates across the states for each presidential election but that will never happen), California will *never* be a real participant in the primaries, as won’t most other states.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
Thanks..I thought FDL used to have an archive section?
Steve-AR at 73 — We do. You can search with the search box via WordPress any time. It’s right here on the page. But Google proves to be a more accurate search, in my experience. Their software does a better job than the WordPress module. Which is why I suggested it.
Here’s a speech:
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
That was in 1961. We are seeing the result of this disastrous rise today. Let’s focus on the facts, the alternative is despair and madness.
Steve-AR @ 73
apropos of which, I prefer to use google’s site: option to restrict my searches to a particular site. Always works better than that own site’s search function, if provided…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 71
I agree..and I am trying to do better and include data to support a position.
Steve-AR @ 73
you can easily go back to any date you choose through the calendar — in the far right column.
When did CNN start releasing marital status and number of kids information when they do the “faces of the fallen” tributes? I don’t remember seeing that before — anyone know? (Just happened to flip the channel on while they were doing this…)
Elliott @ 78
I may not be using it correctly, the earliest date that I can access is Feb ‘07..I will try the “Google”. I just want to read through some treads from ~’05-’06 when 50 comments were a lot.
Thanks, Elliott -
As the granddaughter and niece of professional beekeepers, I’ll probably spend the entire hour crying but it’s good to know this problem will get a wider audience.
So many people think, “So what, they’re just bugs; who cares if they disappear.” The stupid……it stings.
Steve-AR @ 80
sorry! I didn’t realize the limitations of it.
peanutbutter @ 72
I am ancient enough to remember the 1976 campaign, when the primaries stretched all the way to June 9th and were contested everywhere. I was working for Mo Udall, who came in second in a bunch of them. I believe that was the last time we had a stretched-out process. I am less concerned about the Iowa/New Hampshire lock on first than about the effective national primary that follows. It only helps candidates like Clinton, who can raise obscene amounts of money well in advance.
I have commented before that I am not a true believer in Iowa because I live here. Any small state that could force the retail campaigning that happens here would do. Until the primaries are separated by weeks, not days, it is the only chance we have to get something other than media appearances out of the candidates. There are no killer media markets here, as in California, and there is a strong tradition of holding their feet to the fire, as that guy in New Hampton demonstrated for all to see, which makes for cheaper and more entertaining campaigns.
Iowans take a backseat to no one in demanding that candidates fess up to where they stand. It may be one reason that the Clinton margin is smaller here.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 74
I was using an obscure word in a discussion last night and I googled it about 10 minutes later and that post popped up!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 79
Don’t know, sorry. Do you think that’s a good or bad thing to do? Brings to mind something I was reading recently about thugs publicizing private info, children’s pix, etc. of their opponents. Come to think on it, seems it was Davis’ wifie-poo in VA.
Elliot at 66, thanks for the link. I just sent it to our local beekeeper.
Fresh thread, up and running for everyone…trying (unsuccessfully thus far) to get The Peanut down for a nap. So I may be in and out for a little bit…
The prognosticators are predicting Va.Tech will play W.Va. inthe Orange Bowl on Jan 3rd.
Waccamaw — They weren’t publishing names or other information beyond “married, one child” presumably to give some context to the loss of that soldier. I don’t know how I feel, actually — the loss is bad enough, but knowing there were two children left behind makes it more personal even though you don’t know that person, somehow.
But I’m not sure how I feel about that, frankly. Just wondered if they’d always been doing it and I just hadn’t seen it or if this was new. And why they started doing it.
I still love this site, but rarely comment anymore. Since all of the publicity during the Libby trial, it just isn’t the same
old gold @ 88
Hard to see how the Hokies are going to get to a BCS bowl?
New Christy upstairs.
Mercy, mercy me…
Wil at 90 — I’m curious as to why you think that. Care to elaborate? Threads do move a bit faster…and the comments are much more copious these days. But just wondering what it is that makes you feel that way?
old gold @ 88
Well, at least it’s not an Iowa team. I would ask the football fan in the household about it, but he’s watching sports on TV…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 89
FWIW, Christy, I’m thinking it may be a very good thing to be showing that information. It may help to bring home to some of the kool-aid drinkers just exactly what the sacrifice is they are asking of the troops. Letting them know that there’s more to it than just “well, they did volunteer to serve after all” and that there are innocent victims of the games playing.
Wil @ 90
nothing is, Wil. Mais, plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose (just imagine the appropriate accents, pls.)
Elliott @ 82
Wow, that’s something that we weren’t aware of and will see if we can find out what’s happening there.
In the mean time, if you are looking to just see some random front pages and comment history, you can type the url for a specific date and see the threads for that day.
For example:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/05
http://www.firedoglake.com/2005/09/05
Remember to type the date format as above, with the zeros in for the appropriate month and days.
Happy surfing.
And Wil, not to put you on the spot, but feel free to e-mail that to me if you don’t want to talk about it in the comments. But I’m genuinely interested in why you feel that way. Thanks…
old gold @ 42
Would bad weather deter Hillary’s female supporters in particular or are there enough fanatical supporters for every candidate that weather is more likely a non-issue?
doesn’t this work for us? this means we can do whatever with no repercussions. We have the money, we have the time, we have the issues.
Susan in Iowa @ 83
Sen. Clinton, can you promise to have every soldier out of Iraq, except those required to defend the embassy, by the end of your first term?
Clinton: (garbled response lasting 15 minutes)
Sen. Clinton, can you promise to submit legislation during your first term to achieve the health care reform you’ve advocated during this campaign?
Clinton: (garbled response lasting 15 minutes, ending in cackling laughter)
ad infinitum
Want to guess whether there would be massive buyer’s remorse within the first year if she’s elected?
thanks christy!
the evil neo-con extremist Republican game plan is to bomb Iran and using the distraction for stealing another Presidential election.
Brad Friedman has tons of info and factual reporting on his blog…
“Will the GOP Election Theft Machine Do It Again in 2008?”
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5185#more-5185