hiya Jane!

singles?

Aaah. I missed the point about him being on HRC’s team. I was _wondering_ why he seemed to be selling HRC.

SanFran photos

Do you suppose that 84% of Iraqis have a favorable opinion of U.S. troops? Heck, do you suppose that 84% of U.S. troops have a favorable opinion of Iraqis? Or do they patronize them, dehumanize them, detest them: there is very, very little obvious sympathy for the people of that ancient land.

That last link (to Glenn Greenwald’s exchanges with Gen Petraeus’ spokesman) is stunning.

For a Public Affairs Officer, he’s got a helluva problem in how he deals with the public. Of course, he learned it from the BushCo White House . . .

I heard for the first time of protests in towns and neighborhoods all across Arkansas yesterday. All of this in a Southern state which Mark Penn says the DLC presidential candidate has 80 percent approval ratings.

General Strike Nov. 6th!

Yep. I went (Boston). Like other folks there, I doubt it will do any good, but since the phone calls, letters, and emails haven’t gotten me anywhere either, I figured there was no harm in another pointless gesture. Sigh.

This morning kittykitty posted this

i want to commend everyone who was in the streets of america’s cities yesterday protesting the war and calling for withdrawal and some (like me and my daughter) for impeachment. I was in Boston, 7,500 folks of every possible stripe. Howard Zinn gave a rousing speech,he’s 85 now and it was a privilege to see him again. The spirit of the thing was intense and wonderful. It was GOOD to be out there owning our streets again (which are in fact part of the commonwealth we alll own, along with rivers, streams, etc). Here’s to anyone who was out there yesterday from Boston to Seattle! One hundred thousand people were making their voices heard yesterday throughout the US and I say, here, here! Next time let get everyone out there! xo

1,641 DAYZ AND THE KILLN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

I don’t care who is elected president as long as it ain’t Mrs. Clinton if Democrats extend their margins in the House and Senate. I feel that not only is Mrs. Clinton a reactionary corporatist but she has her own “math” workin’ and it includes takin’ the women’s’ vote for granted. Well…she doesn’t represent my 83 year old mother, my 50 year old wife, or my 22 year old and 19 year old daughters.

I think that Mrs. Clinton is more of a threat to the future of democracy in this country than any of the Keystone Cops runnin’ in the other party. The onliest thing that can marginalize expanded Democratic majorities in Congress is another Clinton in the White House.

How would ya like Rupert Murdock writin’ telecom legislation?

KEEP THE FAITH, NOT ALL FASCISTS CALL THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS!!

i was sad not to be able to go to a peace protest yesterday…. but very glad that so many firepups went. blessings to all that did.

revdeb called me from the middle of it and i could hear, almost continuously, the cars honking in support. what a change from 2002!

Jane, I must say that yesterday was the first book salon I’ve ever found disappointing.

From what I’ve been able to figure out, we didn’t even have one in Anchorage. I don’t think there’s ever been an anti-war rally up in the Mat-Su Valley, where I live.

TexBetsy @ 12

Jane, I must say that yesterday was the first book salon I’ve ever found disappointing.

But you don’t exist. /s

phred @ 8

Yep. I went (Boston). Like other folks there, I doubt it will do any good, but since the phone calls, letters, and emails haven’t gotten me anywhere either, I figured there was no harm in another pointless gesture. Sigh.

it’s not a pointless gesture! if nothing else, it is a message to the rest of the world that there are many americans so strongly against this endless war that they are willing to spend a saturday protesting it.

many, many thanks for going. it would be hard to comprehend how truely grateful i am that you went. all i can say is “thank you” and i only wish i could have been there with you in more than spirit.

Eureka Springs @ 14

TexBetsy @ 12

Jane, I must say that yesterday was the first book salon I’ve ever found disappointing.

But you don’t exist. /s

Seems like maybe I do today :)

and this afternoon Rich2506 posted this:

I got me some pictures at PhillyIMC

Yes! We went down to the steps of the capitol here in Denver. We had about 1000 folks. Nomedia tho, until our fearless leader mentioned it and asked the crowd to call the news stations, whereupon everyone did, and lo! Media!

TexBetsy @ 12

Jane, I must say that yesterday was the first book salon I’ve ever found disappointing.

it was frustrating… but ultimately, i think, informative.

Ed*ard Teller @ 13

From what I’ve been able to figure out, we didn’t even have one in Anchorage. I don’t think there’s ever been an anti-war rally up in the Mat-Su Valley, where I live.

A fellow Alaskan stopped by the lake with photos of a demonstration last night.

and this morning Marie Roget posted this:

Good morning, CHS. OT- You asked for photos from the peace marches on the last thread- I didn’t bring my camera, but @ bravenewfilms.org there’s a good write up & photo of the march in downtown L.A.:

Thousands March Against the War

I did post when I got home verrry early this morning- here it is from EPUville:

“The peace march downtown was incredibly moving. Six friends & I went- we were drizzled on, but who cares in that company- Ron Kovic spoke & many others, & wonderful camaraderie among all who were there. Also great local music. I’m lousy @ estimating #s, but several thousand were undoubtedly there. A nurturing sense of community pervaded the long line of jostling people going down Broadway.

We all need to participate in these marches during the time of BushCo, if for no other reason than to feel a renewed sense of purpose & @ one w/others who feel the same. From the early press here, very little notice paid by the local media- it’s fire wrap up that rules the headlines & on local tv channels. Nary a whisper of our peace march…”

Ed*ard Teller @ 13

From what I’ve been able to figure out, we didn’t even have one in Anchorage. I don’t think there’s ever been an anti-war rally up in the Mat-Su Valley, where I live.

Check this out!

Also firedog nolo has a lot of great demonstration photos with promises of more to come.

http://indictdickcheney.blogspot.com/

Peterr @ 6

That last link (to Glenn Greenwald’s exchanges with Gen Petraeus’ spokesman) is stunning.

For a Public Affairs Officer, he’s got a helluva problem in how he deals with the public. Of course, he learned it from the BushCo White House . . .

Col. Boyland sounded a lot like Jack “You Can’t Handle the Truth” Nicholson, to me.

Gotta keep on keepin’ on, guys!

phred @ 8

Yep. I went (Boston). Like other folks there, I doubt it will do any good, but since the phone calls, letters, and emails haven’t gotten me anywhere either, I figured there was no harm in another pointless gesture. Sigh.

Phred.don’t kid yourself.
your actions are more than just gestures and they are not pointless!

almost every part of your media is engaged in a campaign to trivialise and negate the actions of people such as you.by the sound and feel i get from here,of events in your country,you are legion.you are encouraged to believe that your individual actions are puny and meaningless.they are not.go for it.

don’t let the bastards grind you down.

selise @ 19

TexBetsy @ 12

Jane, I must say that yesterday was the first book salon I’ve ever found disappointing.

it was frustrating… but ultimately, i think, informative.

However, prol’ly not in the fashion Mr Penn was hoping to “inform” (read: bullsh*t) us.

It would have been a pleasure to have been with thousands of others in Seattle.

TeddySanFran @ 4

SanFran photos

Great pics. Too bad they couldn’t march right over to Pelosi’s house.

TSF and ESAR – thanks for the links. Hard to believe I didn’t even know it was happening – and Diane Beson was there. I must have fallen out of some loops while covering the Vic Kohring trial this past week!

dakine01 @ 27

selise @ 19

it was frustrating… but ultimately, i think, informative.

However, prol’ly not in the fashion Mr Penn was hoping to “inform” (read: bullsh*t) us.

that is my conclusion also.

and jane, if you were wondering about my sorta strange question during saturday’s book salon, it was prompted by this dkos diary.

I was suppose to join RevDeb but I was burnt out and feeling run down. Protests in Philly around Independence Hall really drive the point home of what the Constitution grants us as citizens.

There was a group that met in Camden, NJ just over Ben Franklin Bridge from Philly and marched across the bridge to join the protest in Philly.

So sorry I missed it.

Drop tuition not bombs

Eureka Springs @ 33

Drop tuition not bombs

707!

Eureka Springs @ 33

Drop tuition not bombs

As we get closer and closer to that ….. AMEN!!!

Was in Boston. Low energy.

Send you photo of jimmie olson leaving stage. Can you believe it?

It seems that some are taking advantage of this good will to act like political hacks and threatening, bullying assholes, safe in the knowledge that if anyone criticizes them for it Barbara Boxer will no doubt craft some McCarthy-esque resolution condemning them.

Go team.

As was noted on the last thread (Book Salon with Alex Steffen), “changing the world is a team sport.”

All in all, I prefer Jane’s team to Col. Boyland’s.

all new “nightly nolo“: video from
the chicago october 27, 2007 celebration
for peace on earth – in just over
three minutes of musical, edited video,
you’ll get a good vibe on what all
the m.s.m. did not cover — at all!

we sang, marched, danced, meditated,
prayed and spoke peace — over 30,000
people-strong, in chicago alone!

[btw, last night, i posted a few of
my better still-shots here. . .]

increase the

p e a c e

OT tivo alert
but I know it’s of interest to fdlers

tonight PBS NATURE is featuring the
Silence of the Bees

and this is from that link:

Watch an exclusive online podcast. In this podcast, scientists and bee experts featured in the program discuss the crucial role that honeybees, a “keystone species,” play in our economy and ecosystems, as well as bees’ fascinating social organization and what we can do to reverse the decline of nature’s pollinators.

Elliott @ 39

OT tivo alert
but I know it’s of interest to fdlers

tonight PBS NATURE is featuring the
Silence of the Bees

and this is from that link:

Watch an exclusive online podcast. In this podcast, scientists and bee experts featured in the program discuss the crucial role that honeybees, a “keystone species,” play in our economy and ecosystems, as well as bees’ fascinating social organization and what we can do to reverse the decline of nature’s pollinators.

Beginning early next year I am going to start learning how to keep bees. Many are doing it in their backyards in the Sac area.

Peterr @ 37

It seems that some are taking advantage of this good will to act like political hacks and threatening, bullying assholes, safe in the knowledge that if anyone criticizes them for it Barbara Boxer will no doubt craft some McCarthy-esque resolution condemning them.

Go team.

As was noted on the last thread (Book Salon with Alex Steffen), “changing the world is a team sport.”

All in all, I prefer Jane’s team to Col. Boyland’s.

Amen!

Jane, have you seen what a real firedog looks like?

Drive by …

Live blogging the APAPA voters edu. and candidate conference

Hi MaryM, Bill Durston is here

L8r

PS I missed the SF march :-(

john in sacramento @ 43

Drive by …

Live blogging the APAPA voters edu. and candidate conference

Hi MaryM, Bill Durston is here

L8r

PS I missed the SF march :-(

I wish I have known. Must keep a breast of these things. Tell Diane and him hello.

Aptly worded, Jane, about my Senator Barbara Boxer. You have been taking the gloves off more and more, recently. Keep it up! As well as your guard.

marymccurnin @ 40

Elliott @ 39

OT tivo alert
but I know it’s of interest to fdlers

tonight PBS NATURE is featuring the
Silence of the Bees

and this is from that link:

Beginning early next year I am going to start learning how to keep bees. Many are doing it in their backyards in the Sac area.

you’ll love it.
it’s fun, fascinating and humbling.(in a good way)
one of my best memories is standing gloves off,and little fuzzies walking straight across my hands as i slowly lifted the frames.they had been smoked of course and they were from and Italian queen.
i wouldn’t have dared to try that with the ferals.they don’t mess around!(oh,my gloves and net hat,i love you.)

Bill Durston would make a great guest on FDL. He is challenging Lungren and has a real chance for an upset.

I said in the thread donw below that he is a jerk. I stand by that assessment.

SanderO @ 48

I said in the thread donw below that he is a jerk. I stand by that assessment.

Evidence to back up the opinion?

TexBetsy @ 42

Jane, have you seen what a real firedog looks like?

Given that the second one is wearing a lei, I have to ask: is that CTuttle?

nolo. So beautiful.

Peterr @ 50

TexBetsy @ 42

Jane, have you seen what a real firedog looks like?

Given that the second one is wearing a lei, I have to ask: is that CTuttle?

I think that’s his dog.

I went in San Francisco. Disappointing turn out I thought but I think most people figure these things don’t do any good anymore anyway. Lot’s of local Labor people on stage and in the crowd though, so that was good. Talked to one guy from VFW, which is also good although he said he’s closeted about it (not his words) back home in Oroville. Ron Paul signs everywhere (ugh) and lots 9/11 conspiracy stuff. Doesn’t seem to have been well publicized here. One friend I phoned before hand who usually goes wasn’t even aware of it. Decent coverage in the Chronicle but the BBC had better.

Hi Jane,

As was linked back upthread, I went to a protest in downtown Fairbanks yesterday afternoon.

I remembered to bring my camera (or more truthfully, remembered to turn around and go back to get it) to the protest and got a few pictures, as you can see.

Sixty people may seem small, but in this town and given what we have to deal with, that is an excellent turnout for an antiwar protest here.

Eureka Springs @ 23

Also firedog nolo has a lot of great demonstration photos with promises of more to come.

http://indictdickcheney.blogspot.com/

thanks so much for noticing,
eureka springs! — some of the
“more to come” is here NOW, as
a new nightly nolo youtube video. . .

i may open a flickr to house all
75 photos of the joyous, raucous
(but respectful of police efforts
to stay in control but not dominate)
crowd of 30,000 in the city of big shoulders. . .

we’ll see — i mark it if i do. . .

selise @ 15

phred @ 8

Yep. I went (Boston). Like other folks there, I doubt it will do any good, but since the phone calls, letters, and emails haven’t gotten me anywhere either, I figured there was no harm in another pointless gesture. Sigh.

it’s not a pointless gesture! if nothing else, it is a message to the rest of the world that there are many americans so strongly against this endless war that they are willing to spend a saturday protesting it.

many, many thanks for going. it would be hard to comprehend how truely grateful i am that you went. all i can say is “thank you” and i only wish i could have been there with you in more than spirit.

Sorry selise, I shouldn’t have sounded so dispirited, but it was interesting to me that after my friends and I discussed the seeming futility of the exercise, that a fellow from Boston who was interviewed for the Reuters story on the event said the same thing. I don’t think it is entirely pointless. And it was certainly heartening to see people flashing us the peace sign, clapping and cheering as we marched by. The futility I feel comes from the sense that our elected officials in D.C. are unswayed by marches, calls, letters, etc. As long as they get their campaign contributions. Personally I wish there had been greater emphasis on the rule of law and abuse of power addressed in the speeches, but as kittykitty said, Howard Zinn was great!

I went to the rally in Chicago. The weather was beautiful and the crowd was enthusiastic and diverse.

The Chicago cops were very chill, and chatted with the crowd. By contrast, the Illinois State Police were holding their batons in both hands (at attention pose) and had on riot helmets with visors.

I have the overwhelming feeling that such marches and protests will not stop the Criminals from expanding their war. However, it was personally therapeutic to do something other than blogging and complaining to my friends.

Dood next up on BOOK-TV (C-SPAN2) on his father’s relationship with Nuremburg trials.

LetterMan @ 54

Hi Jane,

As was linked back upthread, I went to a protest in downtown Fairbanks yesterday afternoon.

I remembered to bring my camera (or more truthfully, remembered to turn around and go back to get it) to the protest and got a few pictures, as you can see.

Sixty people may seem small, but in this town and given what we have to deal with, that is an excellent turnout for an antiwar protest here.

Now, that makes more sense. I think somebody upthread thought it was in Anchorage. I like your blog, LetterMan…

Did anybody record Diane’s speech, and do you mind if I send your picture of her talking to her campaign?

BTW if you haven’t seen it John Cole is on fire today

John Cole Says:

I am now to the point where all I am going to do is throw shit in people’s faces until a Democrat is in charge of the White House.

No day will be complete until I make one of these idiots mutter: “John Cole is such a fucking asshole.”

I have a mission.
October 28th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8939

Good piece on Glenn Greenwald’s pen pal in Bagdad too.

Peterr @ 6

That last link (to Glenn Greenwald’s exchanges with Gen Petraeus’ spokesman) is stunning.

For a Public Affairs Officer, he’s got a helluva problem in how he deals with the public. Of course, he learned it from the BushCo White House . . .

It’s very striking how much he reminds me of a fellow in an online news/debate group. That person also denigrates others, uses the royal “We,” doesn’t seem very smart and is generally a grandiose pain in the a$$.
Also posts a lot of Opinion Journal articles and stuff from NewsMax.

I went to the fourth protest this year,yesterday.Cost $150 for wooden stakes to post 750 signs brought for by Bucks County Coalition for Peace ACTION.Every Tuesday we demonstrate at a peace vigil with about with about ten to twelve people.
Woke up yesterday to pouring rain (4″ in eight hours).Left for march at 9:30 got back at 6.Put in twenty some hours in prep ,spreading signs ,ect leading up to the event. Not to boast but to point out to that this won’t be free in terms of time or money.Yesterday was the best showing so far families.the elderly, college kids and people missing lost friends.We had over twenty five people show up to ride the peace train to Philly,in the pouring rain.
This was a good idea as a germ of an idea goes and we must find a comman time for every one in every town and city to take a stand againest this fool’s errand.Once a month or every other week for one hour.The tide has turned from my observation between the start of this war and now, judging from the lack of vocal opposition at our vigils now.
The press reported a couple hundred people showed up in Philly for the march and it looks like the Rev Deb was able to catch us all in one photo.Let’s go for the final push and hope

Ooops–wrong Dodd. Grandson of Nuremburg Dodd, and nephew of Sentaor Dodd.

I was in Jonesborough TN. We had a small rally, a few hundred. The Eagles motorcycle group tried to drown out the speakers and there were police everywhere.
Still it was inspirational and David Swanson spoke. I didnt realize that was who it was until I read his text today.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/28066

Depleted Uranium is made near the town and the rally focused on this
I loved every minute.Being with like minded people is so inspiring.

Ed*ard,

I don’t think anyone recorded her speech, but feel free to send that picture on to her campaign.

phred @ 56

Sorry selise, I shouldn’t have sounded so dispirited, but it was interesting to me that after my friends and I discussed the seeming futility of the exercise, that a fellow from Boston who was interviewed for the Reuters story on the event said the same thing. I don’t think it is entirely pointless. And it was certainly heartening to see people flashing us the peace sign, clapping and cheering as we marched by. The futility I feel comes from the sense that our elected officials in D.C. are unswayed by marches, calls, letters, etc. As long as they get their campaign contributions. Personally I wish there had been greater emphasis on the rule of law and abuse of power addressed in the speeches, but as kittykitty said, Howard Zinn was great!

no need to apologize! indeed, i agree with you about our representatives in deecee… at least in the short run (but i’m not giving up on the long run). i just wanted to point out one of the many reasons that public actions in favor of peace are useful. thanks again!

selise @ 66

phred @ 56

Sorry selise, I shouldn’t have sounded so dispirited, but it was interesting to me that after my friends and I discussed the seeming futility of the exercise, that a fellow from Boston who was interviewed for the Reuters story on the event said the same thing. I don’t think it is entirely pointless. And it was certainly heartening to see people flashing us the peace sign, clapping and cheering as we marched by. The futility I feel comes from the sense that our elected officials in D.C. are unswayed by marches, calls, letters, etc. As long as they get their campaign contributions. Personally I wish there had been greater emphasis on the rule of law and abuse of power addressed in the speeches, but as kittykitty said, Howard Zinn was great!

no need to apologize! indeed, i agree with you about our representatives in deecee… at least in the short run (but i’m not giving up on the long run). i just wanted to point out one of the many reasons that public actions in favor of peace are useful. thanks again!

Yep, I agree. And I’ll keep going as long as they keep having ‘em. It may not matter to our elected officials, but it matters to me. And it feels good to stand up and be counted. Speaking of which, the Boston Globe said there were 10,000 people there — not bad for a rainy day, eh? :)

phred @ 67

And I’ll keep going as long as they keep having ‘em. It may not matter to our elected officials, but it matters to me. And it feels good to stand up and be counted. Speaking of which, the Boston Globe said there were 10,000 people there — not bad for a rainy day, eh? :)

beautiful!

tjb @ 62 -

you rock!

phred @ 67

selise @ 66

no need to apologize! indeed, i agree with you about our representatives in deecee… at least in the short run (but i’m not giving up on the long run). i just wanted to point out one of the many reasons that public actions in favor of peace are useful. thanks again!

Yep, I agree. And I’ll keep going as long as they keep having ‘em. It may not matter to our elected officials, but it matters to me. And it feels good to stand up and be counted. Speaking of which, the Boston Globe said there were 10,000 people there — not bad for a rainy day, eh? :)

Dissent or disgrace.

selise @ 68

phred @ 67

And I’ll keep going as long as they keep having ‘em. It may not matter to our elected officials, but it matters to me. And it feels good to stand up and be counted. Speaking of which, the Boston Globe said there were 10,000 people there — not bad for a rainy day, eh? :)

beautiful!

Someone at one of the rainy day rallies had a sign that read if you wear an umbrella, the terrorists won.

CNN reporting Dodd to vote against Mukasey. Seems the AG nominee holds a few positions that are antithetical to this Constitution thingie…

Optimism is a political act. -Alex Steffen

Looks like HoJob Liberman has caught the attention of federal investigators, and it wasn’t for his lip service.

Contributions from associates and friends of now-indicted garbage executive James Galante to the 2004 presidential campaign of U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman have sparked the interest of federal investigators.

Galante Donors Gave To Senator

TexBet,

I was referring to Mark Penn’s jerkiness. It shows in his face as well as in his thinking. Thank one book you can read by its author’s cover. hahaha

I think we need larger demos and a real brief work action…. even for 1 hr. nationwide.

I went to the rally in Orlando. The crowd was smaller than I expected, but very enthusiastic. Seemed like less than 1000 people to me, but the paper this morning said 2000. Hmmm. Well, I’m not a crowd count expert, so let’s say 2000. Mike Gravel was there and gave a short speech stressing a point that I have increasingly been convinced of in the last few weeks: the system is broken. In fact I would not have been at the rally at all if I felt that our elected representatives were doing their jobs. I am not what anyone would describe as a dirty fucking hippie, which is another reason I wanted to go – to represent the invisible “normal” middle class women approaching middle age who have never rebelled against anything in our lives but are realizing we have to take this into our own hands.

Unfortunately it did pour rain near the end of the speeches and the start of the march, which may have accounted for the low turn-out.

Does this do any good? I wish I thought so. The paper gave almost as much, and more complimentary, ink to the 100 people strong “Gathering of Eagles” counter-demonstration a couple of blocks away. I do feel good that I stood up to be counted, because I could not look my activist niece in the eye again if I had not done something to support my big talk, but my practical side feels very helpless about things right now.

Kinda OT – Charles Ferguson is Brian Lamb’s guest on CSpan 1 – the filmmaker (Magnolia Pictures) who produced and directed “No End In Sight”.

Hey, a h/t from JH. Just got back from a friend’s house after a long day playing w/her new son. What a joy in this present world to play all day w/a newborn & other wonderful kids; no net there, just a great new one to love.

Glad you picked up on my way earlier post, Jane., & may I sa @ this moment- GO SOX.

Yeah, I’m somewhat tired- that would be “say” in the above post…

I don’t think that the marches are the most effective action.

I think we need a nationwide mini (short duration) strike. Something which everyone would notice.

Dawn @ 76

I went to the rally in Orlando. The crowd was smaller than I expected, but very enthusiastic. Seemed like less than 1000 people to me, but the paper this morning said 2000. Hmmm. Well, I’m not a crowd count expert, so let’s say 2000. Mike Gravel was there and gave a short speech stressing a point that I have increasingly been convinced of in the last few weeks: the system is broken. In fact I would not have been at the rally at all if I felt that our elected representatives were doing their jobs. I am not what anyone would describe as a dirty fucking hippie, which is another reason I wanted to go – to represent the invisible “normal” middle class women approaching middle age who have never rebelled against anything in our lives but are realizing we have to take this into our own hands.

Unfortunately it did pour rain near the end of the speeches and the start of the march, which may have accounted for the low turn-out.

Does this do any good? I wish I thought so. The paper gave almost as much, and more complimentary, ink to the 100 people strong “Gathering of Eagles” counter-demonstration a couple of blocks away. I do feel good that I stood up to be counted, because I could not look my activist niece in the eye again if I had not done something to support my big talk, but my practical side feels very helpless about things right now.

Good for you Dawn! I’m glad you went. I’m still reluctant to get my hopes up, but I am nonetheless cheered by Dodd’s promised filibuster of any telecomm immunity and now by his opposition to Mukasey. I have been carrying on for quite some time now that no one is representing my interests, by which I mean the RULE OF LAW. Perhaps with Dodd standing up for the Constitution we may yet see a change of heart in Congress.

How many mentions about Healthcare in Penn’s book? How many mentions of Government administered payed for by taxes lower costs for drugs a system like France’s.
In other words what the majority of people in America want, not the comprimise Hilary is attempting.
What about Macro Trends? Iraq war, Healthcare etc. Microtrends like heated car seats don’t matter if you got serious concerns!

SanderO @ 80

I don’t think that the marches are the most effective action.

I think we need a nationwide mini (short duration) strike. Something which everyone would notice.

I agree a strike or series of strikes would have more impact, but, a lot of people are new to this idea and need practice, lots and lots of practice.. Guess I am trying to say any action is a damn good thing right now.

RBG @ 28

It would have been a pleasure to have been with thousands of others in Seattle.

I live in Seattle how do I find out about the next protest is their an email newsletter or something?

marymccurnin @ 40

Elliott @ 39

OT tivo alert
but I know it’s of interest to fdlers

tonight PBS NATURE is featuring the
Silence of the Bees

and this is from that link:

Beginning early next year I am going to start learning how to keep bees. Many are doing it in their backyards in the Sac area.

The continental US had a sufficiency of native pollinators before BigAg and BigChem conspired to eliminate them. Massive single-crop fields without buffers, plus take-no-prisoners “pest” control has all but obliterated any effective populations of the native bees. Many are solitary, or burrowing, or cavity-nesting (or all of the above). Their habitats have been destroyed. GenMod may have wreaked even more havoc.

There is something funky about the link I tried, so I suggest Google Gary Paul Nabhan or “The Forgotten Pollinators.

Hyaptia

Sure — I attended the march in San Francisco, along with about 10,000 other people. I was responsible for getting out UFPJ broadsides and signs to the interreligious contingent that met up at the AFSC office. The experience reminded me of what is good about such gatherings. Folks from all over the area , often folks working for peace in somewhat inhospitable suburbs or affluent exurbia, got to meet up with each other and compare notes. It is really great for folks to be reminded that they are not alone.

The best signs/costumes I saw were these women who are very mad at the Dems about telecom immunity. That’s another thing these big marches are good for: letting people show their opinions in theatrical media when they are sick to death of calling their congresscritters.

nolo, your photos are so wonderful. Ditto TSF, & all who posted their pix/news on the marches Sat.

All FDL posters are invited to the dinner bf & I are cooking right now while watching the World Series- broiled red snapper w/yellow peppers, big salad w/fresh heirlooms from the farmers’ market, basmati & a touch of cumin, & cheesecake my daughter made w/peach topping.

Wish you all were here…

Hypatia @ 85

The continental US had a sufficiency of native pollinators before BigAg and BigChem conspired to eliminate them. Massive single-crop fields without buffers, plus take-no-prisoners “pest” control has all but obliterated any effective populations of the native bees. Many are solitary, or burrowing, or cavity-nesting (or all of the above). Their habitats have been destroyed. GenMod may have wreaked even more havoc.

There is something funky about the link I tried, so I suggest Google Gary Paul Nabhan or “The Forgotten Pollinators.

Hyaptia

One of things I find so damn disconcerting is how BigAg and all of their buddies put greed over their own well being. They are short term suckers.

Things Come Undone @ 84

RBG @ 28

It would have been a pleasure to have been with thousands of others in Seattle.

I live in Seattle how do I find out about the next protest is their an email newsletter or something?

From what I found on the Google, here are some of the the local organizations who are part of the umbrella organizing group.

Things Come Undone @ 84

RBG @ 28

It would have been a pleasure to have been with thousands of others in Seattle.

I live in Seattle how do I find out about the next protest is their an email newsletter or something?

info@bravenewfoundation dot org

This is Robert Greenwald of Brave New Films.

Switching Labels Hilary says she is antiwar but wants to keep a residual force in Iraq. Hilary says she is for healthcare but if you look at the details well her plan disappoints.
She’s labeled a Lefty by Penn, the MSM and the GOP. Us real Lefties think she is to Center.
We need to inform the American people about her true stand on the issues shes a can of beets with a Ravolli label.

I am not fond of beets.

RBG @ 89

Things Come Undone @ 84

I live in Seattle how do I find out about the next protest is their an email newsletter or something?

From what I found on the Google, here are some of the the local organizations who are part of the umbrella organizing group.

rbg beat me to it… and you can sign up for ufjp’s action alert by email (upper right corner). they will ask for money occasionally, but not nearly as often as many pols do *g*.

Eat to the beat.

TexBetsy @ 92

I am not fond of beets.

Gets to the root of the matter, doesn’t it?

FYI, new post

SanderO @ 75

TexBet,

I was referring to Mark Penn’s jerkiness. It shows in his face as well as in his thinking. Thank one book you can read by its author’s cover. hahaha

I think we need larger demos and a real brief work action…. even for 1 hr. nationwide.

I realize I’m stereotyping here, but Mark Penn sure resembles a former Young Republican, in looks, in communication skills, and in client lists.

http://www.commondreams.org/ar…..6/05/1682/

TexBetsy @ 92

I am not fond of beets.

i don’t necessarily object to beets.

but, i do object when beets pretend to be ravioli.

Thank you RBG, Loo Hoo Tex Betsy neither is the rest of America we must inform the masses about Beets masqurading as Lefties! Heck Hilary is running almost to the Right of G.W this makes her left to him.
But inperspective shes to the right of a 70% majority. A majority who doesn’t now her true postions.

TexBetsy @ 92

I am not fond of beets.

No beets in evidence here. Love yr. late night snacks BTW. Wish I could meet you, Tex Betsy. Some day, perhaps the next YK, yeah?

TexBetsy @ 92

I am not fond of beets.

Hey, I love beets. Don’t insult beets by comparing Hillary to them.

selise @ 98

TexBetsy @ 92

I am not fond of beets.

i don’t necessarily object to beets.

but, i do object when beets pretend to be ravioli.

We’re even. You beat me to that one. :)

Marie Roget @ 100

TexBetsy @ 92

I am not fond of beets.

No beets in evidence here. Love yr. late night snacks BTW. Wish I could meet you, Tex Betsy. Some day, perhaps the next YK, yeah?

Where do you live?

eCAHNomics and RBG –

in defense of beets….

i don’t know about canned beets, but the fresh ones i’ve been getting this year in my csa share from a local small organic farm have been delish.

although, not quite as delightful as the idea of a fair trial for rummy *g*

Delurking here to say my mother and I went to the demo in Kennewick, Washington, yesterday. A good-sized one for this conservative area–25 people or so. The local peace group demonstrates every week in Richland and Kennewick and the response gets more and more positive as time goes by. We always get flipped off, but we haven’t been mooned in a great while, so I’ll call that progress. ;)

You know, I think a lot of the benefit from doing these things has to do with just keeping our spirits up. Living in a place where Republicans outnumber Democrats by 2 to 1, it makes us all feel good just to spend an hour chatting with other like-minded folks. I always hem and haw before I go–what’s the point, anyway?–but then I feel energized afterward.

selise @ 104

eCAHNomics and RBG –

in defense of beets….

i don’t know about canned beets, but the fresh ones i’ve been getting this year in my csa share from a local small organic farm have been delish.

although, not quite as delightful as the idea of a fair trial for rummy *g*

Rumor has it that’s exactly what they’re talking about upstairs.

A huge crowd participated in the rally in Boston yesterday. I had not seen anything like it since the anti-war rallies in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. A personal testimonial by the mother of a soldier on his second deployment in Iraq brought tears to the eyes of the many thousands who gathered on the Boston Common. I was particularly pleased to see the strong labor union participation.

TexBetsy @ 103

Marie Roget @ 100

No beets in evidence here. Love yr. late night snacks BTW. Wish I could meet you, Tex Betsy. Some day, perhaps the next YK, yeah?

Where do you live?

Santa Monica CA. I promised myself that I’d be @ the next YK come what may :-)

selise @ 104

eCAHNomics and RBG –

in defense of beets….

i don’t know about canned beets, but the fresh ones i’ve been getting this year in my csa share from a local small organic farm have been delish.

although, not quite as delightful as the idea of a fair trial for rummy *g*

Use canned beets for making pickled eggs (harb boiled eggs, beets, red wine vinegar, red wine, peppercorns, bay leaf, garlic, salt). Combine ingredients & let sit until eggs get good & soaked. Ingredients to taste. Family tradition.

Had a salad with shavings of fresh raw beets last week. Great color, texture, taste.

Maybe I’ll can some beets next year. Just started with tomatoes this year & have to see if it worked before branching out.

selise @ 104

eCAHNomics and RBG –

in defense of beets….

i don’t know about canned beets, but the fresh ones i’ve been getting this year in my csa share from a local small organic farm have been delish.

although, not quite as delightful as the idea of a fair trial for rummy *g*

selise you’re a beetnik!

Welcome STH

A few other things I noticed about the SF march.

– There was a real diversity of organizations. There were several religious groups, there were several labor groups (including longshoremen, comm workers, and teachers), there were political campaigns (Ron Paul had a big contingent), there were antiwar groups (Code Pink had the best costumes), and on and on. This issue definitely has traction.

– A LOT of the signs were homemade. There were very many preprinted ones (but again, a wide diversity of those), but I think there were just as many individual ones. People are motivated!

– It was a very determined group. The energy level was high, people paid attention to requests and to marshalling, there was a lot of spontaneous chanting, and a lot of participation in other groups’ demonstrations. It wasn’t ragtag or lackadaisical.

I thought it was a very good march — better than many I’ve seen.

Hi all.

Dreadful cold descending on me. Yesterday’s waiting in the deluge before the march didn’t help.

The estimate for Philly was 5K. This having been my first here, I don’t know how to gage it.

The real action was last weekend when we had 150 peacenicks in our little borough to counter the Gathering of Iggles thugs—about 50 of them. Funny, I only saw 6 of them downtown yesterday.

At some time I need to get back to writing my own stuff on line. New job, new house, new part of the country and all, life has just been too crazy.

STH @ 105

Delurking here to say my mother and I went to the demo in Kennewick, Washington, yesterday. A good-sized one for this conservative area–25 people or so. The local peace group demonstrates every week in Richland and Kennewick and the response gets more and more positive as time goes by. We always get flipped off, but we haven’t been mooned in a great while, so I’ll call that progress. ;)

You know, I think a lot of the benefit from doing these things has to do with just keeping our spirits up. Living in a place where Republicans outnumber Democrats by 2 to 1, it makes us all feel good just to spend an hour chatting with other like-minded folks. I always hem and haw before I go–what’s the point, anyway?–but then I feel energized afterward.

As a mossback, I applaud your efforts in the face of those numbers. On this side of the Cascades it is easy to become blase about what a challenge it can be to stand up in other parts of the state.

Thanks.

RBG @ 114

STH @ 105

Delurking here to say my mother and I went to the demo in Kennewick, Washington, yesterday. A good-sized one for this conservative area–25 people or so. The local peace group demonstrates every week in Richland and Kennewick and the response gets more and more positive as time goes by. We always get flipped off, but we haven’t been mooned in a great while, so I’ll call that progress. ;)

You know, I think a lot of the benefit from doing these things has to do with just keeping our spirits up. Living in a place where Republicans outnumber Democrats by 2 to 1, it makes us all feel good just to spend an hour chatting with other like-minded folks. I always hem and haw before I go–what’s the point, anyway?–but then I feel energized afterward.

As a mossback, I applaud your efforts in the face of those numbers. On this side of the Cascades it is easy to become blase about what a challenge it can be to stand up in other parts of the state.

Thanks.

Ditto what RBG said. I lived in Seattle for a couple of years and know how hostile the tri cities can be to anything liberal. Even the liberals are conservative.

Thank you for your kind words, RBG and TexBetsy. We’re doing what we can here in eastern Washington and I think we’re making progress. My knee-jerk conservative boss announced to me last week that he’s decided we should get out of Iraq immediately (3 months ago he was saying it was a mess, but “we have to finish what we started”). And Ron Paul seems to have some significant support here, I think because people see him as the only anti-war Republican (I doubt people really know just how wacky he is).

And I hope I haven’t just called down all the howler monkeys on us with my last comment . . . .

STH @ 116

Thank you for your kind words, RBG and TexBetsy. We’re doing what we can here in eastern Washington and I think we’re making progress. My knee-jerk conservative boss announced to me last week that he’s decided we should get out of Iraq immediately (3 months ago he was saying it was a mess, but “we have to finish what we started”). And Ron Paul seems to have some significant support here, I think because people see him as the only anti-war Republican (I doubt people really know just how wacky he is).

And I hope I haven’t just called down all the howler monkeys on us with my last comment . . . .

The mods are well versed in their tactics and are quite capable of dealing with them.

Mods…stop that….quit playing with your food.

Welcome to the Lake.

We had a small street-corner rally in Dallas. Two people brought HONK for PEACE signs, and, did they work! It was deafening at times. 18 wheelers blew their air horns, bus drivers were with us, the police waved, a young guy from a camera shop came and took out pictures, then brought us prints before it was over. We had WWII vets and Koera vets. Only one guy wanted to beat us up – an improvement, for sure, and a plain clothes detective quietly saved the day. Judging from the joyous reactions from the crowd, Dallas has turned the corner…and we could alsmost see the site of his liberry from where we were.

Jane, re Mark Penn,

I didn’t participate in that thread because I wouldn’t want to disrespect you or the site by going against the ground rules for book discussions. But I felt deeply disappointed because there was finally a chance to talk directly to one of the most influential people in Hillary Clinton’s campaign, basically her Karl Rove, but instead we were supposed to talk about a book that he wrote that I have no interest in reading, especially if buying it I contribute to the personal wealth of a union-busting, Blackwater-promoting corporate lobbyist who moonlights as an official in Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Perhaps the next time you have a controversial guest, there should be two threads: one to discuss whatever book, film, product or cause the guest wants to plug, and another open-ended thread to address any concerns that the FDL community has about that person’s role. In the open-ended thread, people would be encouraged to ask tough questions, but not to be abusive or overly personal.

Another alternative if they won’t do that is for the site proprietors to do an interview. Talk about their book, sure, but bring up the other issues. If they won’t address the other issues, don’t publish the part about the book, because they haven’t earned the publicity.

Or you could do what you’re doing, after all it’s your site. But I feel I can count on you to speak truth to power.

Marie Roget @ 87

nolo, your photos are so wonderful. Ditto TSF, & all who posted their pix/news on the marches Sat.

All FDL posters are invited to the dinner bf & I are cooking right now while watching the World Series- broiled red snapper w/yellow peppers, big salad w/fresh heirlooms from the farmers’ market, basmati & a touch of cumin, & cheesecake my daughter made w/peach topping.

Wish you all were here…

thank you so much!

i’d be there, except that
i am weeping over the rockies’
relative collapse. . . crud.

we actually did an inuit-
plank-grilled salmon, with
rock-salt and brown sugar
alternating rubs — and
the weather held — tremendous!

g’night, one and all. . .

p e a c e

When are we going to learn to hold these rallies around TV stations and radio stations? It seems too much to ask these days for the media to drive their production van to cover the rally, so it seems we have to bring it to them. What TV station wouldn’t cover the thousands of protesters congregating near their station?

Loo Hoo. @ 51

nolo. So beautiful.

thank you so much, loo hoo!

p e a c e

I was at the SF rally and talked to a woman who had marched near a large contingent of Iranians who were marching for the first time. Considering many of them have supported the Republicans in the past, it was a remarkable.

Fox news camaras were in Philly but they must not have had film in them.Thanks for the coverage Fox, an Americal lion in news.

selise @ 11

i was sad not to be able to go to a peace protest yesterday…. but very glad that so many firepups went. blessings to all that did.

revdeb called me from the middle of it and i could hear, almost continuously, the cars honking in support. what a change from 2002!

Hundreds of thousands at the march in Oct 2002 in D.C. Media did a very poor job covering the marches in Washington and New York and across the nation before the invasion. So wonderful that more people are going, although know lots of folks who went before the invasion and for the year after and are no longer going. Glad to hear others are.

Since before the invasion United for Peace and Justice and International Answer have done most of the organizing for these marches.

Anybody go….? Better to have asked– did anybody advertise the march? How much coverage did you folks do?
Screw the msm- their behavior is a given. What was missing was NET COVERAGE!

I saw this late, but I was in Chicago on Saturday. We had about 30,000 people and fabulous weather!

I went on the Peace Train from Detroit — we had two full cars from the Detroit area.