Christy!

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Top of the morning, Christy…

Now to read the post! Christy has already advised readers downstairs.

Ann in AZ:

As I said: You’re getting good…*g*

Good morning Christy.

Thanks for the excellent reminders about the constitution.

We the people: Yeah!

I still think Pelosi and Reid were among the first “surveilled” and that’s why they are folding so easily. I can’t think of any other explanation of why they would be so willing to sacrifice America as we knew it.

Geraldo at 10 — “Sacrifice America as we know it.” Slightly melodramatic and placing the emphasis on the wrong culprit, considering the GOP controlled Congress for 6 years allowing all of this to build up, isn’t it?

Please, act today. Stand up for the Constitution and the rule of law.

The rule of law is still-born in the Bush administration, which was inaugurated in 2000 by SCOTUS when it ruled in Gore v Bush.

Thanks for featuring this Christy.

I just talked to a staffer at Cardin’s (SJC) office and thanked him for opposing immunity. Staffer acknowledged Cardin’s position on immunity. Asked that they “hold the line” on this issue.

Geraldo @ 10

I still think Pelosi and Reid were among the first “surveilled” and that’s why they are folding so easily. I can’t think of any other explanation of why they would be so willing to sacrifice America as we knew it.

Yep.

Sure I’ll call like I do all the time. However, the joke is on us. The members of the Senate have either been compromised or are functioning under the control of personal fear. They will not stand up for anything that theatens their well being- REELECTION.
Until the reporters and the columnists start to act in within the constitutional frame work that is their responsibility to uphold, this country will continue to be givem the pablum of fear that is driving this country into the ground.

The Constitution REQUIRES, doesn’t suggest – requires, that warrants be issued only upon probable cause. Countless Supreme and lower court decisions have repeated the logically obvious notion that each warrant application is fact specific to its particular case.

Ergo, you cannot possibly have blanket or so called “basket” warrants issued without a case by case determination of the existance of probable cause…

General Warrants and Writs of Assistance. Two core reasons for the American Revolution and subsequent exact language of the 4th Amendment. King George Bu’ush wants those odious and despised pre- revolution Crown practices for himself.

Not sure you saw this at the end of the last thread, but Donald Rumsfeld has been charged with torture on a visit to France.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/26/102932/57

today msgop is focused on the Clinton marriage and theft of panties from Victoria Secrets — not one word about Dodd or anything else for that matter. Tonight Tweety is focusing on the Clinton marriage.

msgop panty sniffing is the order of the day

Tross @ 17

Not sure you saw this at the end of the last thread, but Donald Rumsfeld has been charged with torture on a visit to France.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/26/102932/57

Didn’t Germany try that too?

TexBetsy @ 8

Good morning Christy.

Thanks for the excellent reminders about the constitution.

The Constitution: Great way to start the day.

New terra alert – hollowed out shoes! (How interesting MSNBC is just getting the “news” out after it’s been on-line for a day or more now.)

You can set your watch by these things….just in time for fisa re-up.

katherine at 18 — I hear Dodd will be a guest on Meet the Press on Sunday. Just FYI…I think RevDeb said so in the last thread.

Christy is breathing Constitution fire today :)

Christy Hardin Smith @ 22

katherine at 18 — I hear Dodd will be a guest on Meet the Press on Sunday. Just FYI…I think RevDeb said so in the last thread.

He’s supposed to have the whole hour based on what I read somewhere else recently.

Tross @ 17

Not sure you saw this at the end of the last thread, but Donald Rumsfeld has been charged with torture on a visit to France.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/26/102932/57

w00t!
So much for them european vacations for BushCo. Nancy? Harry?

tw3k @ 23

Christy is breathing Constitution fire today :)

On a personal note, I think it’s sooo much easier fighting FOR something than AGAINST something…
And I think there is no one in the US who would say that the Constitution is NOT worth fighting for.

Toby Wollin @ 20

TexBetsy @ 8

Good morning Christy.

Thanks for the excellent reminders about the constitution.

The Constitution: Great way to start the day.

Didn’t Germany charge CIA agents? I don’t remember, but according to the article France got cooperation from someone in the military.

This made my day!

Thanks, Tross. I just posted it as well and am spreading the word.

Waccamaw @ 21

New terra alert – hollowed out shoes! (How interesting MSNBC is just getting the “news” out after it’s been on-line for a day or more now.)

You can set your watch by these things….just in time for fisa re-up.

eggsactly !

Christy Hardin Smith @ 22

katherine at 18 — I hear Dodd will be a guest on Meet the Press on Sunday. Just FYI…I think RevDeb said so in the last thread.

Thanks. I enjoyed his appearance here. The other day Richard Wolfe said Democrats need to be better at marketing.

tw3k @ 25

Tross @ 17

Not sure you saw this at the end of the last thread, but Donald Rumsfeld has been charged with torture on a visit to France.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/26/102932/57

w00t!
So much for them european vacations for BushCo. Nancy? Harry?

Yep, I think Germany is off the “Places I Want to Go Before I Die” list as well.
Tough sledding, that.

They can’t make individual warrants because they are vacuuming up information about everyone from every possible source. Phone calls from matching voice prints. Faxes. Emails. Text messages. Internet searches. They’ve already admitted to opening first class mail and doing black bag warrantless searches of physical property. Am I leaving anything out?

Use for political gain, or sell to the highest bidder. It’s power, either way.

From MTP page on msnbc.com:

Our “Meet the Candidate” series continues with an exclusive interview with 2008 hopeful Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT). Plus, a roundtable with columnist William Safire & reporter Tom DeFrank on Decision 2008 & DeFrank’s new book, “Write It When I’m Gone: Remarkable Off-the-Record Conversations with Gerald R. Ford.”

Toby Wollin @ 26

tw3k @ 23

Christy is breathing Constitution fire today :)

On a personal note, I think it’s sooo much easier fighting FOR something than AGAINST something…
And I think there is no one in the US who would say that the Constitution is NOT worth fighting for.

Absolutely.

And just look how well Paul is doing with rpugs and independents. Americans value the constitution!

Dodd/Lee would be a powerhouse of constitutional and civil liberties.

twolf1 @ 19

Tross @ 17

Not sure you saw this at the end of the last thread, but Donald Rumsfeld has been charged with torture on a visit to France.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/26/102932/57

Didn’t Germany try that too?

Covered on democracynow this morning. Difference is that Rummy is present on French soil at time of filing. Was still uncertain as to whether French court would act, though.

egregious @ 32

They can’t make individual warrants because they are vacuuming up information about everyone from every possible source. Phone calls from matching voice prints. Faxes. Emails. Text messages. Internet searches. They’ve already admitted to opening first class mail and doing black bag warrantless searches of physical property. Am I leaving anything out?

Use for political gain, or sell to the highest bidder. It’s power, either way.

And what’s the backlog on reading through all that just in case there’s an actual would-be terrorist in the sweep?

tw3k @ 34

Toby Wollin @ 26

On a personal note, I think it’s sooo much easier fighting FOR something than AGAINST something…
And I think there is no one in the US who would say that the Constitution is NOT worth fighting for.

Absolutely.

And just look how well Paul is doing with rpugs and independents. Americans value the constitution!

Dodd/Lee would be a powerhouse of constitutional and civil liberties.

I have to tell you that our area usually is pretty repug in its voting habits – we have our own version of the “freeway blogger” who is putting Ron Paul signs up on the overpass fences. No other signs of any other GOP contenders anywhere that I can see in my county. At. All.
Just Ron Paul. I think that says something.

CNN’s Cafferty calls on viewers to overthrow Bush
from Raw Story Breaking News
CNN’s Cafferty calls on viewers to overthrow Bush

Tross @ 27

Toby Wollin @ 20

The Constitution: Great way to start the day.

Didn’t Germany charge CIA agents? I don’t remember, but according to the article France got cooperation from someone in the military.

This made my day!

Italy

Europe is stepping where the Dims won’t.

I wrote these words 10 years ago in my grad thesis. Change “drugs” to “terrah” and it’s the same shit:

clamorem et uthesium

We have all heard the phrase “hue and cry,” which most simply take to mean social clamor or indignant uproar over some public controversy. And, if ever there were a widespread, sustained, and vociferous modern “hue and cry,” the concern over and campaign against drug abuse ranks at the top, with many polls reporting sentiment ranking “drug abuse” as our number one social problem and “domestic threat.” A core question examined by this thesis is whether the “threats” posed by recreational intoxication and “addiction” are sufficiently grave as to overwhelm our law enforcement infrastructure and consequently justify abrogation of the privacy provisions of the Constitution through suspicionless drug testing programs. What of this contemporary “hue and cry” from a historico-jurisprudential perspective?

According to William J. Cuddihy’s exhaustive 1990 Claremont College Ph.D. Dissertation Origins and Original Meaning of the Fourth Amendment (cited by Justice O’Conner in Vernonia v. Acton et ux) “hue and cry,” was much more than a mere colloquial expression in the European middle ages from which we trace our American jurisprudential heritage—it was a legal term of art, one we today would equate with vigilante mob “justice” and/or deputization of the private sector for the suppression and/or punishment of wrongdoing. The 1950’s “b-movie” image of angry villagers—pitchforks, clubs, axes, and torches held high—marching en masse on Baron Frankenstein’s castle to mete out a bit of harsh summary justice comes readily to mind. Such is indeed historically accurate; formally announcing a “Hue and Cry” obligated one’s fellow citizens to participate in the ensuing unbridled pursuit and searches of suspects. Cuddihy finds the earliest official references to Hue and Cry—clamorem et uthesium—in 13th century European legal documents.

Cuddihy’s work traces the development of social norms and codified legal restraints against excessive search and seizure doctrines from ancient times through the period of the American Revolution. He recounts in minute detail the evolution of practices involving civilian-led or assisted Hue and Cry episodes into general warrantless searches conducted by formal authority, codifications of unencumbered “general warrants,” and, finally, the English and colonial applications of “General Writs of Assistance”—which were in effect Hue and Cry gussied up in Parliamentary statute, the intent of which was the augmentation of the relatively meager resources of officialdom with the enforced assistance of the private sector…

Linky.

This whole Bu’ush thing is so FOS.

twolf1 @ 19

Tross @ 17

Not sure you saw this at the end of the last thread, but Donald Rumsfeld has been charged with torture on a visit to France.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/26/102932/57

Didn’t Germany try that too?

Yes, several countries have done so.

Democracy NOW! has an excellent interview with CCR’s Michael Ratner and a French activist/lawyer who is involved in attempting the prosecution in Paris.

It appears that Rumsfeld has gotten wise, and is now acting like a fugitive, according to the Paris lawyer.

(Christy: I’m just kidding…):

I did all these things yesterday: made calls; signed the petition to Harry Reid (in a Jane post); and so on. Does that allow me to go OT?…*g*

(As I said: Just kidding. I’ll wait till comments approach 100 to do that.)

Ray Duray @ 41

twolf1 @ 19

Didn’t Germany try that too?

Yes, several countries have done so.

Democracy NOW! has an excellent interview with CCR’s Michael Ratner and a French activist/lawyer who is involved in attempting the prosecution in Paris.

It appears that Rumsfeld has gotten wise, and is now acting like a fugitive, according to the Paris lawyer.

Sorry, but the image of Rumsfeld having to hide out with the shades drawn is just too delicious for words.

Toby Wollin @ 37

tw3k @ 34

Absolutely.

And just look how well Paul is doing with rpugs and independents. Americans value the constitution!

Dodd/Lee would be a powerhouse of constitutional and civil liberties.

I have to tell you that our area usually is pretty repug in its voting habits – we have our own version of the “freeway blogger” who is putting Ron Paul signs up on the overpass fences. No other signs of any other GOP contenders anywhere that I can see in my county. At. All.
Just Ron Paul. I think that says something.

Yeah, I’m in a deep red area.

My little bros band manager is Paul supporter and my bros band has been playing some Paul functions.

TexBetsy @ 36

egregious @ 32

They can’t make individual warrants because they are vacuuming up information about everyone from every possible source. Phone calls from matching voice prints. Faxes. Emails. Text messages. Internet searches. They’ve already admitted to opening first class mail and doing black bag warrantless searches of physical property. Am I leaving anything out?

Use for political gain, or sell to the highest bidder. It’s power, either way.

And what’s the backlog on reading through all that just in case there’s an actual would-be terrorist in the sweep?

About a year ago I read a small item in the local paper that companies around Washington were looking for 100,000 new hires with security clearances [which I seriously doubt they could locate and process in the short run]. Business is good I guess.

tw3k @ 39

Tross @ 27

Didn’t Germany charge CIA agents? I don’t remember, but according to the article France got cooperation from someone in the military.

This made my day!

Italy

Europe is stepping where the Dims won’t.

Shame on them. Shame on us.

The thing that I would want to know, is that of all of the people surveilled to date, are any of them journalists or other media representatives, bloggers, elected representatives from opposition parties or their employees, political volunteers, PR and media firms working for opposition groups, political activists, etc.

That might be one reason for all the secrecy.

TexBetsy @ 36

egregious @ 32

They can’t make individual warrants because they are vacuuming up information about everyone from every possible source. Phone calls from matching voice prints. Faxes. Emails. Text messages. Internet searches. They’ve already admitted to opening first class mail and doing black bag warrantless searches of physical property. Am I leaving anything out?

Use for political gain, or sell to the highest bidder. It’s power, either way.

And what’s the backlog on reading through all that just in case there’s an actual would-be terrorist in the sweep?

Why, if we just had ALL of the hay, we’d know exactly where the needles are! They’re right there in the hay!!!

What exactly is the Bush Administration hiding with this desperate need not to spell things out individually?

Oh, how about using — as Deepthroat said in a parking garage to the non-evil version of Bob Woodward — the entire national security apparatus of the United States to play dirty tricks and spy on the opposition?

And when you think about dismissing this little theory, ask yourself what Watergate was really all about.

It would certainly explain a lot.

I did leave something out: all your bank and credit card records. My bad.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

Geraldo at 10 — “Sacrifice America as we know it.” Slightly melodramatic and placing the emphasis on the wrong culprit, considering the GOP controlled Congress for 6 years allowing all of this to build up, isn’t it?

christy, an excellent application of hamsher’s law: when offered an opportunity to cudgel your own side, you pivot and attack.

i find i’m obliged to refer to this law nearly every damn day.

“I believe in God and Senator Dodd”

~Phil Ochs “Draft Dodger Rag”

Person of Interest….I have long held (but never seen discussed) the fact that we now have a designation “Person of Interest” – a lowering of the bar for “probable cause” and “suspect”.

So I’m not surprised to see the same lowering of the bar requiring a warrant.

If you’re a person of interest, your goose is cooked these days. So why not wiretap everyone if we just THINK they might be suspicious (thought police)!

Toby Wollin @ 26

Respectfully, I’d say that I can identify many people who say exactly that behind closed doors, in signing statements and in multiple propaganda attacks on the body politic.

As the wags say, “the U.S. Constitution is absolutely no impediment to the way we do things now.”

Christy’s en fuego!

Great work.

Tross @ 27

Didn’t Germany charge CIA agents?

The most significant attempt to prosecute CIA agents involved a kidnapping in Italy.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2…..-j27.shtml

To remind ourselves again:

Amendment 4 – Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

kirk murphy @ 55

Christy’s en fuego!

Great work.

Dr. Kirk — don’t you ever sleep?

Biodun @ 57

To remind ourselves again:

Amendment 4 – Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Who was it that “forgot” the probable cause part while testifying to Congress?

As I said on Huffingtonpost earlier today (Sorry for the blogwhoring, but I’m shameless):

killedbynonaction (See profile | I’m a fan of killedbynonaction)
Bush fiddles as America burns.
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And the Democratic party supports this lawless administration at every turn, seeking to “win big” in the 2008 election.

NOT ANOTHER DIME FOR DEMOCRATS!

NOT ANOTHER PHONE CALL FOR DEMOCRATS!

NOT ANOTHER CANVASS FOR DEMOCRATS!

NOT ANOTHER VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS!

ONLY FOR PATRIOTS _ LIKE CHRIS DODD _ WHO STAND UP TO OBEY THEIR SWORN OATH TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION!

How are we going to pull together this November 6th Constitution Day general action that Naomi Wolf mentioned in her diary?

Make fliers to circulate at the Demos tomorrow.

Considering changing my signature to, “The Constitution Keeps Us Safe!”

Thanks for the link to the Dodd speech.

Toby Wollin @ 37

I have to tell you that our area usually is pretty repug in its voting habits – we have our own version of the “freeway blogger” who is putting Ron Paul signs up on the overpass fences. No other signs of any other GOP contenders anywhere that I can see in my county. At. All.
Just Ron Paul. I think that says something.

I forget where you are, but I’m seeing this in Orange County, too. Lots of signs up for Paul, nothing on the other R. candidates.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 22

katherine at 18 — I hear Dodd will be a guest on Meet the Press on Sunday. Just FYI…I think RevDeb said so in the last thread.

He mentions the appearance with Timmeh at the end of his email.

BobbyG -

Why, if we just had ALL of the hay, we’d know exactly where the needles are! They’re right there in the hay!!!

Cola up my nose – thank you very much! ;-)

peanutbutter @ 62

Toby Wollin @ 37

I have to tell you that our area usually is pretty repug in its voting habits – we have our own version of the “freeway blogger” who is putting Ron Paul signs up on the overpass fences. No other signs of any other GOP contenders anywhere that I can see in my county. At. All.
Just Ron Paul. I think that says something.

I forget where you are, but I’m seeing this in Orange County, too. Lots of signs up for Paul, nothing on the other R. candidates.

Broome County – Southern Tier.

And let’s not forget this either:

Article Six establishes the Constitution, and the laws and treaties of the United States made in accordance with it, to be the supreme law of the land, and that “the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the laws or constitutions of any state notwithstanding.”

katherine Graham Cracker @ 30

The other day Richard Wolfe said Democrats need to be better at marketing.

LOL! Marketing? How about the Democrats need to be better at honesty, or patriotism… that might be more useful for our future than marketing.

The problem that we face in this nation is that we have two parties representing the interests of Wall Street and the war machine. And the People are represented by no one any longer. IMO, marketing isn’t going to improve this situation.

Fresh thread for you guys. I got a written copy of the text of Dodd’s remarks on the floor of the Senate. I had gotten a few e-mails asking for it, and it took me a little while to track down a copy. (The Peanut is home today and transcribing it quickly just isn’t an option this morning as a result. Parents of 4-year-olds will understand why that is…)

Stand up for the Constitution? for crying out loud, All anyone has to do is read Kamen in the Washington Post today to see just how horrific the situation is!
The son of a bitches are doing it all over again. FEMA fucked up and now they are covering it up. Three days before the NG Tankers showed up!

Senator Reid:

If you don’t take a stand on FISA, Osama bin Laden wins.
Not George Bush. Not Dick Cheney. Islamic terrorism wins.

OT This from the NYT: “President’s Ties to Governor Stronger After Help on Fires”
by Sheryl Gay Stolberg.

Not a single specific fact about what Bush will do for California.

Can you say simpleminded puff piece? I thought you could.

If W wanted to wiretap without warrants before 911, it sure seems like they were up to no good.

At that time they were not even worried about terra.

So it seems like it be something like a means to collect political and blackmail BS.

What were they up to?

OT – I think CNN international just said that Turkish air strikes are currently underway in Iraq.

Just a reminder: if you are quoting someone else’s comment, scroll all the way down the the very end of the comment, after the /blockquote designation…and THEN type your response. Otherwise, your comment ends up buried in the middle of someone else’s words and people have to scroll up and down to figuer out whether it’s your comment or someone else’s. Thanks.

twolf1 @ 73

OT – I think CNN international just said that Turkish air strikes are currently underway in Iraq.

Yup, heard that too.

Why are you getting kitty cat by FedEx? Sounds like a good story.

TexBetsy @ 59

Biodun @ 57

To remind ourselves again:

Who was it that “forgot” the probable cause part while testifying to Congress?

Why our beloved Radar o’reilly, General Michael Hayden USAF, Director CIA

“We don’t need no stinking probable cause. We got da 9/11. You don’t tink wegotta da probable cause?” (in answer to Sen. Spector)

TexBetsy @ 59

Biodun @ 57

To remind ourselves again:

Who was it that “forgot” the probable cause part while testifying to Congress?

Hayden did when he first came out to talk about teh program.

It’s true that the laws that are about to be legislated that affect our privacy rights invite abuse by overzealous Presidential appointees. Many of this President’s appointees have shown a proclivity for bending or breaking laws that are already extant.

I see no reason to cut any slack to any legislator that votes to enable the Federal government to invade our most confidential communications, while not trusting us to know that they’re doing it, or even acknowledge that our Congressional representatives, with the proper security clearances, have a right to know what they’re doing and who they’re doing it to.

I would consider any legislator with ties to the communications industry, either as a campaign donor, or prior relationship as an employee, or major investor, that votes for retroactive and blind immunity has violated a responsibility to avoid any conflict of interest. Someone who is demonstrably beholden to an industry should be held accountable for their vote. There will most certainly be an appearance of impropriety in voting either for or against the party to whom you are beholden.

I believe that our Congressional Representatives have a fiduciary relationship with us, their constituents, and that should be first and foremost in their minds. I think they should easily see that they should not touch the whole idea of retroactive immunity to telecoms with a ten foot pole!

Rawstory also reporting that Russia (Putin) may well have thrown a big, wet blanket on Bush/Cheney fantasies of attacking Iran. Raw Story, by way of Asia Times reports that Putin and the Supreme Leader (NOT Ahmadenijad, the REAL power in Iran) have gotten together and may be coming to agreement such that an attack on Iran is an attack on Russia.

I have long hoped that Putin (or China) would step in and totally queer any ability by BushCo to start yet another war. Either country is fully capable of doing it and now it looks like Putin may be doing it.

What exactly is the Bush Administration hiding with this desperate need not to spell things out individually?

they are stealing, that’s what they’re hiding, the are gathering information no judge would agree is for national security

they want information to hold over their oponents heads, they want to know what their political adversaries are doing

they want to get bussiness secrets, they want contacts, they want every edge

they are stealing intelectual property plain and simple

a warrant makes sure stealing is not taking place

the main reason we need privacy protection is not to hide what we are ashamed of

we need privacy protection to hide what we are proud of

Waccamaw @ 75

twolf1 @ 73

OT – I think CNN international just said that Turkish air strikes are currently underway in Iraq.

Yup, heard that too.

Why are you getting kitty cat by FedEx? Sounds like a good story.

“kitty cat by FedEx” = New Mac OS Leopard (10.5) released today

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

Geraldo at 10 — “Sacrifice America as we know it.” Slightly melodramatic and placing the emphasis on the wrong culprit, considering the GOP controlled Congress for 6 years allowing all of this to build up, isn’t it?

They are ALL culprits. But really, the Dem leaders Need to stand and rep their constituents, even if they “don’t have the numbers”. The system will correct at the next cycle. If they are waiting for better numbers, their people will see them not doing what they were elected to do and they will not GET better numbers. They need to get the numbers needed to reverse all this stuff before it becomes a part of New America (and I used the word “knew” because the America of Now is not the America of 1999).

BobbyG @ 40;

Thanks for sharing this. It is reasonable to suggest that the’problems’ we are facing today
regarding the systematic trashing of the Constitution had their genesis in the ‘war on drugs’.

SanderO @ 72

If W wanted to wiretap without warrants before 911, it sure seems like they were up to no good.

At that time they were not even worried about terra.

So it seems like it be something like a means to collect political and blackmail BS.

What were they up to?

Good question. Maybe this is why Bush is resisting so hard..But that doesn’t explain why congress is also resisting.

Geraldo @ 82

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

Geraldo at 10 — “Sacrifice America as we know it.” Slightly melodramatic and placing the emphasis on the wrong culprit, considering the GOP controlled Congress for 6 years allowing all of this to build up, isn’t it?

They are ALL culprits. But really, the Dem leaders Need to stand and rep their constituents, even if they “don’t have the numbers”. The system will correct at the next cycle. If they are waiting for better numbers, their people will see them not doing what they were elected to do and they will not GET better numbers. They need to get the numbers needed to reverse all this stuff before it becomes a part of New America (and I used the word “knew” because the America of Now is not the America of 1999).

OK, not “ALL” I was being hyperbolic.

kirk murphy;

Your post last night was exceptional and deserves much wider appreciation. I hope all at the lake will seek it out. Truly well done.

dakine01 @ 81

“kitty cat by FedEx” = New Mac OS Leopard (10.5) released today

Ahhhhh. Thanks for clearing this up for all us Windoze laggards in the audience, dak.

The Asia Times story referenced by Praedor @ 79 is definitely worth reading in full.

Bilbo @ 87

dakine01 @ 81

“kitty cat by FedEx” = New Mac OS Leopard (10.5) released today

Ahhhhh. Thanks for clearing this up for all us Windoze laggards in the audience, dak.

The Asia Times story referenced by Praedor @ 79 is definitely worth reading in full.

I second this suggestion. ‘Outside’ news and opinion is always worth examining.

dakine -

Oh, lor’! That one’s gonna take some housebreaking. *g*

I love dodds’s speach I just wish he’d acknowledge the everyday ramifications of allowing blanket searche and warrantless search

these ramifications would include allowing local officials to vacarisoulsy spy on ur daughters, on our sons, it would allow them to listen to the intimate conversations we have with our mates.

it would give rise to people takeing jobs of authority because the would be able to satisfy their tendancies of voueristic behavior

and I would love to hear our leaders start pointing out that the main reason we need privacy protection is not to keep information that is most embarrasing to us, it is to hide that which is most dear to us

even though I yearn to hear things like that, I know I am a lttle aggresicve in my expectations and compared to everyone else, dodd was great

David W. Bartoo @ 86

kirk murphy;

Your post last night was exceptional and deserves much wider appreciation. I hope all at the lake will seek it out. Truly well done.

David, are you talking about # 80 in ” Taking It To the Streets” (Naomi Klein)?

i hope you don’t mind me pointing out the rest of the Fourth Amendment:

…supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

So Senator Dodd now stands with Ron Paul and the Constitution, we welcome him into the fold

SanderO @ 72

If W wanted to wiretap without warrants before 911, it sure seems like they were up to no good.

At that time they were not even worried about terra.

So it seems like it be something like a means to collect political and blackmail BS.

What were they up to?

Wouldn’t it be amazing if it came out that they were actually eavesdropping to follow and listen to the prospective terrorists and that even with their eyes and ears glued to them 9/11 still happened?

Can you imagine the embarrassment that would cause Bushies and Republicans for everyone to know they knew it was coming, they watched it unfold and still it happened?

If the government cannot be held to account on enforcing the rule of law, so be it. America is in anarchy people. WHen Judges can take Bribes at Social Security and the Inspector General says o well, do not ever try to arrest me for anything. Do not taze me. Do not, do not , don’t even try it. I am a victim and since the government refuses to prosecute the criminal , do not ever tell me I am breaking any law ever. ANARCHY is where America lives now.