Zed?

Jane!

Ahhh…freedom…so dangerous that it beckons!!!

Not a single foul-mouthed fem blog on the list? Disgraceful!

Universities and colleges?

Jane!!!

Why isn’t FDL on the list? You need to try harder.

“The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.”

JFK

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical Resources/Archives/Reference Desk/Speeches/JFK/003POF03NewspaperPublishers04271961.htm

Tithonia @ 5

Universities and colleges?

Does that include Regent University, Liberty University and Oral Roberts University?

*snort*

O/t -

Fabulous Bill Moyers tonight; Charles Fried and Fritz Schwarz on presidential powers (including use of torture).

neurophius @ 8

Tithonia @ 5

Universities and colleges?

Does that include Regent University, Liberty University and Oral Roberts University?

These are the “George Bush should be President For Life” people. As soon as you can say “Would you like fries with that?” you’re on your own.

From the link:

~~~2) Universities and Colleges

Anyone familiar with my column at Family Security Matters knows my thoughts on the Left’s stranglehold on American colleges and universities. Unfortunately, many professors use the various organizations on this list as a part of their curriculum, often selectively ignoring facts that don’t support their far-Left agenda.~~~

?????

well, I agree that #6 is a threat: Dobson’s Family Research Conucil.

how’d that get on this list?

Does No. 7 mean that local ACLU chapters are OK?

I like how they throw a few token ringer righty outfits on the list to fool people into thinking they’re not biased against The Left.

But wait! Could it be that Laura Ingraham’s pet conservative front group, “Family Security Matters”, has TIES to some of groups on their list? For instance, America’s colleges?

Why yes, yes it could.

Betcha Nancy Keegan is really sad, too.

punaise @ 13

well, I agree that #6 is a threat: Dobson’s Family Research Conucil.

how’d that get on this list?

The official response from Family Security Matters: “Would you like fries with that?”

Sorry, OT from EPU land…

“When the United States military command accused the Iranian Quds Force in January of providing the armor-piercing EFPs (explosively formed penetrators) that were killing US troops, it knew that Iraqi machine shops had been producing their own EFPs for years, a review of the historical record of evidence on EFPs in Iraq shows.”

-snip-

“In a report on February 23, NBC Baghdad correspondent Jane Arraf quoted “senior military officials” as saying that US forces had “been finding an increasing number of the advanced roadside bombs being not just assembled but manufactured in machine shops here”.

Nevertheless, the Bush administration decided to put the blame for the EFPs squarely on the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, after Bush agreed in autumn 2006 to target the Quds Force within Iran to make Iranian leaders feel vulnerable to US power. The allegedly exclusive Iranian manufacture of EFPs was the administration’s only argument for holding the Quds Force responsible for their use against US forces.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..7Ak05.html

Our MSM just doesn’t get it… 8-(

This is so deluded it makes me laugh and laugh and gurgle and laugh again.

Valley Girl @ 12

From the link:

~~~2) Universities and Colleges

Anyone familiar with my column at Family Security Matters knows my thoughts on the Left’s stranglehold on American colleges and universities. Unfortunately, many professors use the various organizations on this list as a part of their curriculum, often selectively ignoring facts that don’t support their far-Left agenda.~~~

?????

lmao and c-pink is surrier than muslims!

CTuttle @ 18

Sorry, OT from EPU land…

“When the United States military command accused the Iranian Quds Force in January of providing the armor-piercing EFPs (explosively formed penetrators) that were killing US troops, it knew that Iraqi machine shops had been producing their own EFPs for years, a review of the historical record of evidence on EFPs in Iraq shows.”

-snip-

“In a report on February 23, NBC Baghdad correspondent Jane Arraf quoted “senior military officials” as saying that US forces had “been finding an increasing number of the advanced roadside bombs being not just assembled but manufactured in machine shops here”.

Nevertheless, the Bush administration decided to put the blame for the EFPs squarely on the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, after Bush agreed in autumn 2006 to target the Quds Force within Iran to make Iranian leaders feel vulnerable to US power. The allegedly exclusive Iranian manufacture of EFPs was the administration’s only argument for holding the Quds Force responsible for their use against US forces.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..7Ak05.html

Our MSM just doesn’t get it… 8-(

I replied to you downstairs, CT.

Hey, I made it all the way to #2! Life is good.

“Universities and Colleges” fit if they’re referring to Liberty University, Regent University, Bob Jones University, and maybe those guys who peddle diplomas via email.

But of course, having a nation of dumb hicks works better for their fundraising. Heaven forbid we get educated and have functioning brain cells.

Andy

I thought this post from the kool-aid kooler was pretty funny: Prosecuting Our Friends

Imagine that you are a human rights lawyer who would like to establish the legal principle of “universal jurisdiction” — the notion that former leaders should be vulnerable to suit anywhere on earth. You gaze around the globe and notice Buddhist monks being mowed down in Myanmar; women stoned to death for supposed adultery in Iran; rape victims murdered by their families in Pakistan for the sake of “honor”; torture, rape and killing of hundreds of thousands in Darfur. Any of those get your juices flowing?

Not if you are a standard issue, liberal human rights type at the Human Rights Program at Harvard Law School or the Center for Constitutional Rights in Manhattan. No, they’ve teamed up to sue 77-year-old Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, former president of Bolivia, who now lives in the United States. Lozada, a free market reformer and staunch ally of the U.S., is accused of complicity in the death of 67 people in La Paz in 2003.

Phoenix Woman @ 15

I like how they throw a few token ringer righty outfits on the list to fool people into thinking they’re not biased against The Left.

But wait! Could it be that Laura Ingraham’s pet conservative front group, “Family Security Matters”, has TIES to some of groups on their list? For instance, America’s colleges?

Why yes, yes it could.

thanks for that great link. as it’s Fri eve, and people may be too tired to click through, I just HAVE to quote/ copy a fairly huge chunk of it:

~~~For instance, in August 2007, FSM Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson published an essay, titled “Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy,” in which he counseled that President Bush should follow the example of Julius and Augustus Ceasar and become “the first permanent president of America”:

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Ceasar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nucelear weapons.

Atkinson also suggested that Bush should have used “his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead.” In the minds of Family Security Matters, supreme dictator Bush nuking the Middle East is less dangerous than this website.~~~

Petro, the article goes on to say that Araf’s reporting was squashed here in the states, I swear it’s ‘deja vu, all over again…!’ 8-(

Tithonia @ 5

Universities and colleges?

It’s because they promote literacy and occasionally thinking.

Wow, Family Research Council? Tokenism, much? I guess that’s how they can claim to be “Fair and Balanced”.

Tony Perkins is writin’ letters now, let me tell ya!

smapdi @ 19

This [list] is so deluded it makes me laugh and laugh and gurgle and laugh again.

fight dangerous .org-anisms: gurgle with List-erine

Valley Girl @ 12

From the link:

~~~2) Universities and Colleges

Anyone familiar with my column at Family Security Matters knows my thoughts on the Left’s stranglehold on American colleges and universities. Unfortunately, many professors use the various organizations on this list as a part of their curriculum, often selectively ignoring facts that don’t support their far-Left agenda.~~~

?????

Yeah, like all those facts that refute evolution or that the world is round or that it circles the sun. You betcha, we selectively ignore every one of those “facts”. Also any of the other bizarro world “facts” the conservatives cite to support their fantasies.

Tithonia @ 5

Universities and colleges?

Absolutely. In the immortal words of Tom Tomorrow:

Nobody commands the respect of young people like middle-aged academics,
so the damage they can do is incalculable.

Hugh @ 27

Tithonia @ 5

Universities and colleges?

It’s because they promote literacy and occasionally thinking.

And lead to better educated, more affluent citizens! It’s shocking, shocking I tell you!

DrDick @ 30

Valley Girl @ 12

From the link:

~~~2) Universities and Colleges

Anyone familiar with my column at Family Security Matters knows my thoughts on the Left’s stranglehold on American colleges and universities. Unfortunately, many professors use the various organizations on this list as a part of their curriculum, often selectively ignoring facts that don’t support their far-Left agenda.~~~

?????

Yeah, like all those facts that refute evolution or that the world is round or that it circles the sun. You betcha, we selectively ignore every one of those “facts”. Also any of the other bizarro world “facts” the conservatives cite to support their fantasies.

funny you should mention evolution… I almost added something about that at the end of my comment. And, of course, there’s “global warming”- which of course does not exist.

punaise @ 29

smapdi @ 19

This [list] is so deluded it makes me laugh and laugh and gurgle and laugh again.

fight dangerous .org-anisms: gurgle with List-erine

*gurgle*

Valley Girl @ 25

Atkinson also suggested that Bush should have used “his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead.” In the minds of Family Security Matters, supreme dictator Bush nuking the Middle East is less dangerous than this website.~~~

lmao, that is prize nutter!

allan_in_upstate @ 31

Tithonia @ 5

Universities and colleges?

Absolutely. In the immortal words of Tom Tomorrow:

Nobody commands the respect of young people like middle-aged academics,
so the damage they can do is incalculable.

Hot beds of Liberal Tyranny, I tells ya…!

allan_in_upstate @ 31

Tithonia @ 5

Universities and colleges?

Absolutely. In the immortal words of Tom Tomorrow:

Nobody commands the respect of young people like middle-aged academics,
so the damage they can do is incalculable.

I try my best!

When I first saw mention of “FSM” I thought people were talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But now I realize it’s this made-up fantasy thing called Family Security Matters.

(By the way, how uncreative to basically copy the evil Media Matters name.)

Valley Girl @ 12

From the link:

~~~2) Universities and Colleges

Anyone familiar with my column at Family Security Matters knows my thoughts on the Left’s stranglehold on American colleges and universities. Unfortunately, many professors use the various organizations on this list as a part of their curriculum, often selectively ignoring facts that don’t support their far-Left agenda.~~~

?????

All them commie pinko radical librul perfessors doncha know. David Horowitzer told me all about ‘em.

puppethead @ 38

When I first saw mention of “FSM” I thought people were talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But now I realize it’s this made-up fantasy thing called Family Security Matters.

(By the way, how uncreative to basically copy the evil Media Matters name.)

707!

OT
Yeah, I know it’s only San Francisco, but…
Science Education Dead?

Valley Girl @ 33

funny you should mention evolution… I almost added something about that at the end of my comment. And, of course, there’s “global warming”- which of course does not exist.

Nope, we both deal in evolution which is central to our disciplines and so constantly face rightard BS about “This is hard ’cause I don’t believe in evolution”. As Philip K. Dick observed, “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

puppethead @ 38

When I first saw mention of “FSM” I thought people were talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But now I realize it’s this made-up fantasy thing called Family Security Matters.

(By the way, how uncreative to basically copy the evil Media Matters name.)

Touched by his security appendage?

CTuttle @ 36

Nobody commands the respect of young people like middle-aged academics,
so the damage they can do is incalculable.

Hot beds of Liberal Tyranny, I tells ya…!
You betcha! I exercise a Svengali-like mind control over my students who wait breathlessly for my next word. That is, when they aren’t sleeping in class.

TPM: McConnell stops Release of Intelligence Estimates.

A few Flomax should cure the problem.

Who are these people, anyway?

(FSM)

allan_in_upstate @ 45

TPM: McConnell stops Release of Intelligence Estimates.

A few Flomax should cure the problem.

Or Metamucil.

DrDick @ 42

Valley Girl @ 33

funny you should mention evolution… I almost added something about that at the end of my comment. And, of course, there’s “global warming”- which of course does not exist.

Nope, we both deal in evolution which is central to our disciplines and so constantly face rightard BS about “This is hard ’cause I don’t believe in evolution”. As Philip K. Dick observed, “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

Heh, aren’t you one of those Commie Pinkos they so love to revile, particularly, as a cultural anthropologist? Or should I say Apologist… ;-)

Has McConnell also stopped the Release of Attacks on SCHIP child spokespeople?

“Reality Bush is that which, when you Republicans stop believing in it, doesn’t go away but you keep voting for it anyway.”

My edits

neurophius @ 46

Who are these people, anyway?

(FSM)

SourceWatch.

Hugh @ 50

“Reality Bush is that which, when you Republicans stop believing in it, doesn’t go away but you keep voting for it anyway.”

My edits

…For its amusement.

One of the biggest threats to National Security is borrowing to fund the Iraq occupation.

What happens when the Chinese decide not to continue funding the Federal government (buying its paper)? We close down the Pentagon?

DrDick @ 47

allan_in_upstate @ 45

TPM: McConnell stops Release of Intelligence Estimates.

A few Flomax should cure the problem.

Or Metamucil exlax.

dakine01 @ 39

Valley Girl @ 12

From the link:

~~~2) Universities and Colleges

Anyone familiar with my column at Family Security Matters knows my thoughts on the Left’s stranglehold on American colleges and universities. Unfortunately, many professors use the various organizations on this list as a part of their curriculum, often selectively ignoring facts that don’t support their far-Left agenda.~~~

?????

All them commie pinko radical librul perfessors doncha know. David Horowitzer told me all about ‘em.

And, of course, we never mention the war. We wouldn’t want to ruin their beautiful minds.

“don’t mention the war” (Fawlty Towers)

that is a YouTube link, btw.

newtonusr @ 41

OT
Yeah, I know it’s only San Francisco, but…
Science Education Dead?

My kid was the only child in Grade One (Toronto) to not know the Barney song
and the Montessori teacher looked displeased, as if she was an alien.

So I went back to the car, returning with a book of Butterflies and my kid recited
the Latin names of 20 Butterflies … I asked the teacher if Fairy tales should be given
more importance over science and removed my kid from the school.

CTuttle @ 48

DrDick @ 42

Nope, we both deal in evolution which is central to our disciplines and so constantly face rightard BS about “This is hard ’cause I don’t believe in evolution”. As Philip K. Dick observed, “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”

Heh, aren’t you one of those Commie Pinkos they so love to revile, particularly, as a cultural anthropologist? Or should I say Apologist… ;-)

Yep! And I am a real live Commie pinko, a self-proclaimed Marxist Anthropologist.

Synoia @ 53

One of the biggest threats to National Security is borrowing to fund the Iraq occupation.

What happens when the Chinese decide not to continue funding the Federal government (buying its paper)? We close down the Pentagon?

We can’t close it – the Chinese own it and will soon own everything else, too.

how come all I hear is peals of laughter coming from this corner of the peanut gallery?

;-)

GordonM @ 51

neurophius @ 46

Who are these people, anyway?

(FSM)

SourceWatch.

Thanks, Gordon.

Why do I so often forget to check Wikipedia before asking uninformed questions?

Petrocelli @ 56

newtonusr @ 41

OT
Yeah, I know it’s only San Francisco, but…
Science Education Dead?

My kid was the only child in Grade One (Toronto) to not know the Barney song
and the Montessori teacher looked displeased, as if she was an alien.

So I went back to the car, returning with a book of Butterflies and my kid recited
the Latin names of 20 Butterflies … I asked the teacher if Fairy tales should be given
more importance over science and removed my kid from the school.

That’s a great story, Petro

Think Progress is the website for the Center for American Progress so they must be doubly BAD..

AND the board of FSM
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..y-matters/

– Executive Vice President Linda Cohen is also a trustee on the Santa Fe Community College Foundation Board, which seeks to “provide the college with ever-increasing funds.”
– Dr. Arthur Waldron, who sits on the board of advisers, is a professor of international relations at the University of Pennsylvania and has previously worked at Princeton, Brown, Harvard and the U.S. Naval War College.
– Dr. Cheryl L. Willman, who sits on the board of advisers, is a professor in the Health Sciences Center at the University of New Mexico.
– Dr. Latanya Sweeney, who sits on the board of advisers, is an associate professor of computer science, technology and policy at Carnegie Mellon University.

Work for universities

Synoia @ 53

One of the biggest threats to National Security is borrowing to fund the Iraq occupation.

What happens when the Chinese decide not to continue funding the Federal government (buying its paper)? We close down the Pentagon?

Ah but the Chinese will keep funding the all of these wars because with each passing month,
the U.S. Army becomes weaker and less threatening to the Chinese …

TeddySanFran @ 61

Petrocelli @ 56

My kid was the only child in Grade One (Toronto) to not know the Barney song
and the Montessori teacher looked displeased, as if she was an alien.

So I went back to the car, returning with a book of Butterflies and my kid recited
the Latin names of 20 Butterflies … I asked the teacher if Fairy tales should be given
more importance over science and removed my kid from the school.

That’s a great story, Petro

And an entirely appropriate response.

Petrocelli @ 56

newtonusr @ 41

OT
Yeah, I know it’s only San Francisco, but…
Science Education Dead?

My kid was the only child in Grade One (Toronto) to not know the Barney song
and the Montessori teacher looked displeased, as if she was an alien.

So I went back to the car, returning with a book of Butterflies and my kid recited
the Latin names of 20 Butterflies … I asked the teacher if Fairy tales should be given
more importance over science and removed my kid from the school.

Good for you, Petrocelli. (Even though Barney is not a fairy tale!!!)

I think you don’t appreciate McConnell’s perspective. If NIEs are made public, it is harder to lie about them.

Valley Girl @ 55

dakine01 @ 39

All them commie pinko radical librul perfessors doncha know. David Horowitzer told me all about ‘em.

And, of course, we never mention the war. We wouldn’t want to ruin their beautiful minds.

“don’t mention the war” (Fawlty Towers)

that is a YouTube link, btw.

Nice, Valley Girl!
What war?

well, benedryl works GREAT on fire-related dog itchies but it seems to have the same effect as Red Bull – my puppy has developed “wings” and is flying around the house.

You guys will be pleased to hear the fake fema presser hit the Beeb tonight. *G*

DrDick @ 57

CTuttle @ 48

Heh, aren’t you one of those Commie Pinkos they so love to revile, particularly, as a cultural anthropologist? Or should I say Apologist… ;-)

Yep! And I am a real live Commie pinko, a self-proclaimed Marxist Anthropologist.

I made it a point to visit his birth place in Trier, when I was stationed there, it’s a shame his Manifesto was implemented in the wrong places and by the wrong people…

OldCoastie @ 68

well, benedryl works GREAT on fire-related dog itchies but it seems to have the same effect as Red Bull – my puppy has developed “wings” and is flying around the house.

Oh, dear. Saved from the fire to be destroyed by a puppy on speed. Trust all is ok and you are no longer threatened by the fires. Saw today where they finally sent some of our fire crews down to help you. Today.

Well, if you think it was hard on Planned Parenthood, you should stop by Sadly No!

Jillian is beside herself that she and the rest of the crew just can’t get noticed for their seething, deep-seated hatred of America. It’s quite sad actually.

Hugh @ 66

I think you don’t appreciate McConnell’s perspective.

As in “Well, actually, I have a law degree, but this is my lunch hour”?

OldCoastie @ 68

well, benedryl works GREAT on fire-related dog itchies but it seems to have the same effect as Red Bull – my puppy has developed “wings” and is flying around the house.

Oh my! The only thing I can suggest is to cut back the dosage see if you can find a happy medium. Dunno if you can find benadryl in anything other than 5mg dosages, though.

Waccamaw @ 69

You guys will be pleased to hear the fake fema presser hit the Beeb tonight. *G*

I thought a banana republic would be warmer.

Waccamaw @ 69

You guys will be pleased to hear the fake fema presser hit the Beeb tonight. *G*

Beeb, Waccamaw?

CTuttle @ 70

I made it a point to visit his birth place in Trier, when I was stationed there, it’s a shame his Manifesto was implemented in the wrong places and by the wrong people…

Never really was implemented. Most of want actually got set up was from Lenin (not to mention Stalin and Mao), not Marx.

Loo Hoo. @ 76

Waccamaw @ 69

You guys will be pleased to hear the fake fema presser hit the Beeb tonight. *G*

Beeb, Waccamaw?

BBC!

I was surprised that several candidates didn’t make the list. I thought the top 4 would look like this:

4. Anyone not like us
3. Anyone who doesn’t agree with us
2. 20th century
1. 21st century

And for you educational types out there, I’m sure there’s a lesson plan in here somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycgegp0KdE4

Connecticut Attorney General Subpoenas Debt-Rating Agencies

Blumenthal said Friday his investigation is reviewing allegations that some companies rated an issuer’s debt against its wishes, then ordered the issuer to pay for the service or face a possible poor rating.

Is that like an “offer you can’t refuse”?

His office also is reviewing whether some credit-rating agencies pressured issuers into exclusive contracts under threat of a downgrade, and whether contracts that offer a discount in return for exclusivity violate Connecticut’s antitrust laws by locking out other debt raters.

…we’re a hap-py fam-il-ee…

DrDick @ 77

CTuttle @ 70

I made it a point to visit his birth place in Trier, when I was stationed there, it’s a shame his Manifesto was implemented in the wrong places and by the wrong people…

Never really was implemented. Most of want actually got set up was from Lenin (not to mention Stalin and Mao), not Marx.

Exactly, wrong people, wrong places…

Petrocelli @ 63

Synoia @ 53

One of the biggest threats to National Security is borrowing to fund the Iraq occupation.

What happens when the Chinese decide not to continue funding the Federal government (buying its paper)? We close down the Pentagon?

Ah but the Chinese will keep funding the all of these wars because with each passing month,
the U.S. Army becomes weaker and less threatening to the Chinese …

China is procuring its oil in a new way. Its buying it from nations in our back yard (with the money they get from us).

DrDick – we are finally getting LOTS of firefighters and PLANES (lots and lots of planes). Silverado Canyon (a couple ridges over from me) is in serious trouble this evening and the fire is threatening to climb to the top of Santiago Peak (where all the radio/tv/cell towers live). No wind, humidity is up… conditions are ripe for improvement, but we aren’t out of it yet – fire is still growing.

Little Bit is flying about 2″ from the ceiling the length of the house over and over again… doesn’t help that the dogs have been locked inside for 5 days… I’m trying not to fuss at her.

TeddySanFran @ 61

Petrocelli @ 56

My kid was the only child in Grade One (Toronto) to not know the Barney song
and the Montessori teacher looked displeased, as if she was an alien.

So I went back to the car, returning with a book of Butterflies and my kid recited
the Latin names of 20 Butterflies … I asked the teacher if Fairy tales should be given
more importance over science and removed my kid from the school.

That’s a great story, Petro

((( TSF )))

I’ve got many more stories like this, which will be included in my third book …
provided I get the first two published … *g*

CTuttle @ 78

Loo Hoo. @ 76

Beeb, Waccamaw?

BBC!

Ha! Indeed it is!

Universities and Colleges were on the most dangerous list??? No adjectives to limit the scope? Well, if any proof were needed, I guess here we have a pretty good indication of where Family Security Matters stands on the issue of anti-intellectual know-nothing-ism.

Bob in HI

pb – I use benedryl with my big guy when he catches bees and wasps (horribly allergic to ‘em), so I’m not unfamiliar with its use in dogs… I think the pup is just an unusual girl… may take a run in to the vet tomorrow for a steroid shot and be done with it.

Tithonia @ 5

Universities and colleges?

They’re not kidding about restoring the days of serfdom. Those who’ve read Krugman’s book, remembor how one difference between the Long Gilded Age before the New Deal, and the world many of us grew up in between the forties and seventies is that LGA rich could afford not only enormous estates, but the huge staffs to maintain them?

Well, how’re you going to restore those days if you keep letting the servant class get overedumacated?

In keeping with the spirit of that awesome photo at the top, has everyone seen Water Tiger’s latest candidate for Muppetdom? Makes me laugh every time I look back at it.

bobschacht @ 87

Universities and Colleges were on the most dangerous list??? No adjectives to limit the scope? Well, if any proof were needed, I guess here we have a pretty good indication of where Family Security Matters stands on the issue of anti-intellectual know-nothing-ism.

Bob in HI

That is what Universities and Colleges would have us believe…

Valley Girl @ 55

dakine01 @ 39

All them commie pinko radical librul perfessors doncha know. David Horowitzer told me all about ‘em.

And, of course, we never mention the war. We wouldn’t want to ruin their beautiful minds.

“don’t mention the war” (Fawlty Towers)

that is a YouTube link, btw.

Hands down, my fav. episode ever … Cleese doing the Goose step was side splitting …

hackworth @ 83

Petrocelli @ 63

Ah but the Chinese will keep funding the all of these wars because with each passing month,
the U.S. Army becomes weaker and less threatening to the Chinese …

China is procuring its oil in a new way. Its buying it from nations in our back yard (with the money they get from us).

Canada’s Athabascan Tar Sands is one place they’re investing heavily in…

Loo Hoo. @ 86

CTuttle @ 78

BBC!

Ha! Indeed it is!

Loo Hoo! Glad you are well! And, thanks for the linky.

~~~The US Federal Emergency Management Administration has apologised for having its employees pose as reporters at a hastily arranged news conference.~~~

neokneme @ 81

Connecticut Attorney General Subpoenas Debt-Rating Agencies

Blumenthal said Friday his investigation is reviewing allegations that some companies rated an issuer’s debt against its wishes, then ordered the issuer to pay for the service or face a possible poor rating.

Is that like an “offer you can’t refuse”?

Yes, the companies assured the issuer that either its signature or its red ink would be on the release.

OldCoastie @ 88

pb – I use benedryl with my big guy when he catches bees and wasps (horribly allergic to ‘em), so I’m not unfamiliar with its use in dogs… I think the pup is just an unusual girl… may take a run in to the vet tomorrow for a steroid shot and be done with it.

That stuff affects me the same way. Took it just one time and didn’t land for days. Was afraid to drive.

OldCoastie @ 84

DrDick – we are finally getting LOTS of firefighters and PLANES (lots and lots of planes). Silverado Canyon (a couple ridges over from me) is in serious trouble this evening and the fire is threatening to climb to the top of Santiago Peak (where all the radio/tv/cell towers live). No wind, humidity is up… conditions are ripe for improvement, but we aren’t out of it yet – fire is still growing.

Glad to hear you are finally getting the resources you need to fight the fire. They should have been there within 24-48 hours (I have seen it happen here) and the crews and equipment were available from various points in the northwest. While not as bad as NO, this was also royally screwed up, poorly managed and planned and is only now starting to look like it should.

Petrocelli @ 91

Valley Girl @ 55

And, of course, we never mention the war. We wouldn’t want to ruin their beautiful minds.

“don’t mention the war” (Fawlty Towers)

that is a YouTube link, btw.

Hands down, my fav. episode ever … Cleese doing the Goose step was side splitting …

Petro! I agree. Cleese is subversive.

Now I am trying to remember the theme of the episode where Basil was beating the car bonnet with the frozen turkey. Iconic!

Hi Valleygirl! Will you be able to make the Nov. 3rd get-together?

Loo Hoo. @ 98

Hi Valleygirl! Will you be able to make the Nov. 3rd get-together?

Only in my dreams! I now live 3000 miles away from The Valley. I will be there in spirit.

(edit p.s.- I do know that the meet up will not be in The Valley, but w/in driving distance of that)

Valley Girl @ 93

Loo Hoo. @ 86

Ha! Indeed it is!

Loo Hoo! Glad you are well! And, thanks for the linky.

~~~The US Federal Emergency Management Administration has apologised for having its employees pose as reporters at a hastily arranged news conference.~~~

WaPoo is on it too…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews

Al Qaeda? Internet pedophiles? Columbian drug cartels? Japanese Yakuza? Russian mobsters?

Nope, Media Matters is the real menace.

-GSD

Valley Girl @ 97

Petrocelli @ 91

Hands down, my fav. episode ever … Cleese doing the Goose step was side splitting …

Petro! I agree. Cleese is subversive.

Speaking of ex-Monty Pythoneers, anyone else think that KO’s new graphics have a distinctly Terry Gilliam flavor (think Brazil in particular)?

Speaking of evil incarnateThe Ann Coulter song YouTube

CTuttle @ 92

hackworth @ 83

China is procuring its oil in a new way. Its buying it from nations in our back yard (with the money they get from us).

Canada’s Athabascan Tar Sands is one place they’re investing heavily in…

They are planning ahead. If you look at a country’s total petroleum reserves, including tar sands, Venezuela is #1 and Canada #2 with ~1.1 trillion bbls.

Valley Girl @ 99

Loo Hoo. @ 98

Hi Valleygirl! Will you be able to make the Nov. 3rd get-together?

Only in my dreams! I now live 3000 miles away from The Valley. I will be there in spirit.

(edit p.s.- I do know that the meet up will not be in The Valley, but w/in driving distance of that)

We’ll give you a high five!

GSD @ 101

Al Qaeda? Internet pedophiles? Columbian drug cartels? Japanese Yakuza? Russian mobsters?

Nope, Media Matters is the real menace.

-GSD

The bar has certainly been lowered, eh? Evening, GSD!

Valley Girl @ 93

Loo Hoo. @ 86

Ha! Indeed it is!

Loo Hoo! Glad you are well! And, thanks for the linky.

~~~The US Federal Emergency Management Administration has apologised for having its employees pose as reporters at a hastily arranged news conference.~~~

Apologized? Someone needs to be fired!

And why do we have a vice-admiral as the deputy director of FEMA, anyway? This administration finds yes-generals and yes-admirals, then disperses them throughout the federal government. There outta be a law.

GordonM @ 102

Valley Girl @ 97

Petro! I agree. Cleese is subversive.

Speaking of ex-Monty Pythoneers, anyone else think that KO’s new graphics have a distinctly Terry Gilliam flavor (think Brazil in particular)?

no tv. so, can’t help. but, they were pioneers!

well, I don’t edit oops

GordonM @ 102

Valley Girl @ 97

Petro! I agree. Cleese is subversive.

Speaking of ex-Monty Pythoneers, anyone else think that KO’s new graphics have a distinctly Terry Gilliam flavor (think Brazil in particular)?

YES! Thank you, I’ve been trying to figure out what it was.

Valley Girl @ 97

Petrocelli @ 91

Hands down, my fav. episode ever … Cleese doing the Goose step was side splitting …

Petro! I agree. Cleese is subversive.

Now I am trying to remember the theme of the episode where Basil was beating the car bonnet with the frozen turkey. Iconic!

Despite teaching/studying yoga for 20 plus years, I still have a streak like Cleese in me,
eager to overtake the “Ghandi” in me … once in a while, I let him out … tee hee hee … good fun …

GordonM @ 102

Valley Girl @ 97

Petro! I agree. Cleese is subversive.

Speaking of ex-Monty Pythoneers, anyone else think that KO’s new graphics have a distinctly Terry Gilliam flavor (think Brazil in particular)?

Yes. Thank you!
We’re here about your ducts, sir.

GSD @ 101

Al Qaeda? Internet pedophiles? Columbian drug cartels? Japanese Yakuza? Russian mobsters?

Nope, Media Matters is the real menace.

-GSD

see how smart you are?

CTuttle @ 92

hackworth @ 83

China is procuring its oil in a new way. Its buying it from nations in our back yard (with the money they get from us).

Canada’s Athabascan Tar Sands is one place they’re investing heavily in…

Really. I’m familiar with the Tar Sands of Alberta and the Athabasca River and Ft. McMurray. I’ve not heard them called the Athabasca Tar Sands. Surely they are the same. Anyway, that’s verrry interesting that China is investing there. Of course they would invest there.

Taiwan built a bridge in Costa Rica so they could kill sharks for their fins.

Steve-AR @ 104

CTuttle @ 92

Canada’s Athabascan Tar Sands is one place they’re investing heavily in…

They are planning ahead. If you look at a country’s total petroleum reserves, including tar sands, Venezuela is #1 and Canada #2 with ~1.1 trillion bbls.

I don’t want to get into a discussion of Peak Oil, but according to National Geographic,
Alberta’s Oil Sands have more oil than all other reserves combined !

DrDick @ 77

CTuttle @ 70

I made it a point to visit his birth place in Trier, when I was stationed there, it’s a shame his Manifesto was implemented in the wrong places and by the wrong people…

Never really was implemented. Most of want actually got set up was from Lenin (not to mention Stalin and Mao), not Marx.

Marx was quite explicit in stating that for Communism to work in a given place, the people in that place had to have a few centuries of capitalism and democracy under their belts first. He would have been horrified to see it being imposed on feudal states like China and Russia.

newtonusr @ 111

GordonM @ 102

Speaking of ex-Monty Pythoneers, anyone else think that KO’s new graphics have a distinctly Terry Gilliam flavor (think Brazil in particular)?

Yes. Thank you!
We’re here about your ducts, sir.

Wondering why CButtle hasn’t weighed in…

newtonusr @ 111

GordonM @ 102

Speaking of ex-Monty Pythoneers, anyone else think that KO’s new graphics have a distinctly Terry Gilliam flavor (think Brazil in particular)?

Yes. Thank you!
We’re here about your ducts, sir.

newt- linky? I need a whole bunch of laughs this eve.

I remember (less than a decade ago) reading about the tar sands, and the article said of course, it’s entirely unprofitable to remove oil from the sand.

At $100/bbl oil, everything is profitable.

hackworth @ 113

CTuttle @ 92

Canada’s Athabascan Tar Sands is one place they’re investing heavily in…

Really. I’m familiar with the Tar Sands of Alberta and the Athabasca River and Ft. McMurray. I’ve not heard them called the Athabasca Tar Sands. Surely they are the same. Anyway, that’s verrry interesting that China is investing there. Of course they would invest there.

Taiwan built a bridge in Costa Rica so they could kill sharks for their fins.

So am I, my dad worked for Sunoco, and my sister was born in Ft. McMurray, I was born in Edmonton…

CTuttle,

The bar was lowered enough for the knuckledraggers to grab it and beat America over the head with it.

-GSD

P.S. I am on redshirt status tonight. I tripped and went arm first into a window today.

Luckily only two stitches to the wrist…..My left arm kept my body from going through the window after my right arm.

GordonM @ 116

newtonusr @ 111

Yes. Thank you!
We’re here about your ducts, sir.

Wondering why CButtle hasn’t weighed in…

Buttle? ;-)

Valley Girl @ 117

newtonusr @ 111

Yes. Thank you!
We’re here about your ducts, sir.

newt- linky? I need a whole bunch of laughs this eve.

Not what you had in mind, Valley Girl.

I just spent about 60 seconds on the FSM website; felt like I was gonna drown in the Kool-Aid.

GSD @ 120

CTuttle,

The bar was lowered enough for the knuckledraggers to grab it and beat America over the head with it.

-GSD

P.S. I am on redshirt status tonight. I tripped and went arm first into a window today.

Luckily only two stitches to the wrist…..My left arm kept my body from going through the window after my right arm.

Ouch! That sucks, fortunately the rest of you didn’t! *g*

TeddySanFran @ 118

I remember (less than a decade ago) reading about the tar sands, and the article said of course, it’s entirely unprofitable to remove oil from the sand.

At $100/bbl oil, everything is profitable.

Yup. In fact, anything above $50 a barrel makes it profitable to extract from tar sands or from Venezuela’s Orinoco Belt. (In the case of the latter, we’re talking about a goo that really is just barely liquid, more like peanut butter than Arabian Light Crude in terms of viscosity.)

Phoenix Woman @ 115

DrDick @ 77

Never really was implemented. Most of want actually got set up was from Lenin (not to mention Stalin and Mao), not Marx.

Marx was quite explicit in stating that for Communism to work in a given place, the people in that place had to have a few centuries of capitalism and democracy under their belts first. He would have been horrified to see it being imposed on feudal states like China and Russia.

I’ve never read Marx. Does he distinguish between a dictatorship and democratic form of communism?

Valley Girl @ 117

newtonusr @ 111

Yes. Thank you!
We’re here about your ducts, sir.

newt- linky? I need a whole bunch of laughs this eve.

Alas, VG, the humor in Brazil is extremely dark. An absolute classic, but not to be undertaken when what you need is a laugh.

Loo Hoo. @ 86

CTuttle @ 78

BBC!

Ha! Indeed it is!

Loo Hoo -

Sorry I didn’t get back to you. Was off funning with the funnies; here’s one for the fundies:

http://news.yahoo.com/comics/u…..bs20071025

TeddySanFran @ 118

I remember (less than a decade ago) reading about the tar sands, and the article said of course, it’s entirely unprofitable to remove oil from the sand.

At $100/bbl oil, everything is profitable.

That actually is the only upside of our current mess. With the price of oil at such outrageously high levels, it now makes short term economic sense (the only kind corporations seem capable of) to develop many of the alternatives which were always off the the shelf as impractical or too expensive. Biofuels, solar, wind power, fuel cell technology, etc. all become realistic in the short term. Frankly, I think at this point we would be better served by switching to other fuel sources and leave petroleum for petrochemical production (you try living without plastic). Full disclosure: my father was a chemical engineer for a major oil company (I really loathe them).

ooo. sounds scary! GSD! glad you are more or less ok!

GSD @ 120

CTuttle,

The bar was lowered enough for the knuckledraggers to grab it and beat America over the head with it.

-GSD

P.S. I am on redshirt status tonight. I tripped and went arm first into a window today.

Luckily only two stitches to the wrist…..My left arm kept my body from going through the window after my right arm.

Ouch!

Terry Gilliam

We are the Federal Emergency Management Somethingerother, (FEMA). You (who are our bosses and pay our salaries) have just experienced catastrophic conditions in your lives, so we have decided to create an “artificial” “phoney” press conference to tell you (our bosses) what we are going to do to help you. Trust us. If you don’t trust us, you are unpatriotic by the way.

Valley Girl @ 93

~~~The US Federal Emergency Management Administration has apologised for having its employees get caught pose as reporters at a hastily arranged news conference.~~~

Editing for clarity.

newtonusr @ 122

Valley Girl @ 117

newt- linky? I need a whole bunch of laughs this eve.

Not what you had in mind, Valley Girl.

I’ve only bits and pieces of that a few times. I gotta catch the whole movie sometime.

tw3k @ 126

Phoenix Woman @ 115

Marx was quite explicit in stating that for Communism to work in a given place, the people in that place had to have a few centuries of capitalism and democracy under their belts first. He would have been horrified to see it being imposed on feudal states like China and Russia.

I’ve never read Marx. Does he distinguish between a dictatorship and democratic form of communism?

For Marx dictatorships and communism are antithetical to each other. Communism is about political and economic democracy. The authoritarian structures developed from the writings of Lenin, as well as the personalities of Stalin and Mao.

TeddySanFran @ 118

I remember (less than a decade ago) reading about the tar sands, and the article said of course, it’s entirely unprofitable to remove oil from the sand.

At $100/bbl oil, everything is profitable.

Interesting story about extracting Oil from the Sands … more than 20 years ago, a Japanese firm submitted tender to use their technology, which was far cheaper but Trudeau chose American technology, which was far costlier and less efficient.

With technology advancing as quickly as it has, it’s possible to turn a profit in the Oilsands with Oil at less than $40 BBL.

CTuttle @ 121

GordonM @ 116

Wondering why CButtle hasn’t weighed in…

Buttle? ;-)

The whole story of Brazil is how (due to a fly landing on a printer), the innocent Mr. Buttle is confused with the guerilla mechanic Tuttle (played, you’ll be gratified to know, by de Niro) with disastrous results.

tw3k @ 134

newtonusr @ 122

Not what you had in mind, Valley Girl.

I’ve only bits and pieces of that a few times. I gotta catch the whole movie sometime.

Really great movie. Revisit it periodically. Does seem rather apropos for our current situation.

Funny that Brazil should come up tonight. I was thinking about it the other night as a practically perfect encapsulation of our situation. Panopicon-like info-bureaucracy sends its truck-o-thugs to bag a guy for a minor offense… but they get the wrong guy, and then can’t admit it or back down… and it’s off to the torture gulag for him, Game Over.

I never thought that movie was about the US.

It transpires that I was wrong.

Hmmm.

Phoenix Woman @ 125

TeddySanFran @ 118

I remember (less than a decade ago) reading about the tar sands, and the article said of course, it’s entirely unprofitable to remove oil from the sand.

At $100/bbl oil, everything is profitable.

Yup. In fact, anything above $50 a barrel makes it profitable to extract from tar sands or from Venezuela’s Orinoco Belt. (In the case of the latter, we’re talking about a goo that really is just barely liquid, more like peanut butter than Arabian Light Crude in terms of viscosity.)

True, to both, the oil is a heavier viscosity and needs to be sweetened, what is not mentioned is the serious degradation of the Athabasca River region and the serious slag piles resulting from the process! It is on a par with the coal production in WV…

its completely fitting that the entity dedicated to putting a spotlight on wingnut lies and dissembling USING WINGNUTS OWN WORDS, Media Matters is enemy number 1 in wingnuttia.

At least you can give them credit for recognizing lies and dissembling when they hear it and see it. Unfortunately for them, the words are theirs.
.

DrDick @ 135

tw3k @ 126

I’ve never read Marx. Does he distinguish between a dictatorship and democratic form of communism?

For Marx dictatorships and communism are antithetical to each other. Communism is about political and economic democracy. The authoritarian structures developed from the writings of Lenin, as well as the personalities of Stalin and Mao.

Cool, thanks.

GSD @ 120

CTuttle,

The bar was lowered enough for the knuckledraggers to grab it and beat America over the head with it.

-GSD

P.S. I am on redshirt status tonight. I tripped and went arm first into a window today.

Luckily only two stitches to the wrist…..My left arm kept my body from going through the window after my right arm.

{{{{GSD}}}} Glad the damage was relatively minor!

Have to agree that universities and colleges are dangerous…

Particularly Texas A&M, Clemson, and Michigan State University — they permit the invitation of hate group speakers like white supremacist and president of British National Party Nick Griffin to speak on their campuses. Just this week, just this evening, in fact.

Griffin said tonight at MSU that he’d “shove homosexuals back in the closet and kill them.”

Yeah. Dangerous places, these universities and colleges, using public tax dollars to provide a forum for hate speech.

CTuttle @ 140

Phoenix Woman @ 125

Yup. In fact, anything above $50 a barrel makes it profitable to extract from tar sands or from Venezuela’s Orinoco Belt. (In the case of the latter, we’re talking about a goo that really is just barely liquid, more like peanut butter than Arabian Light Crude in terms of viscosity.)

True, to both, the oil is a heavier viscosity and needs to be sweetened, what is not mentioned is the serious degradation of the Athabasca River region and the serious slag piles resulting from the process! It is on a par with the coal production in WV…

Oilsands development has been an environmental disaster … but money is/buys power …

CTuttle @ 140

Phoenix Woman @ 125

Yup. In fact, anything above $50 a barrel makes it profitable to extract from tar sands or from Venezuela’s Orinoco Belt. (In the case of the latter, we’re talking about a goo that really is just barely liquid, more like peanut butter than Arabian Light Crude in terms of viscosity.)

True, to both, the oil is a heavier viscosity and needs to be sweetened, what is not mentioned is the serious degradation of the Athabasca River region and the serious slag piles resulting from the process! It is on a par with the coal production in WV…

At current prices (even without the most recent spike), coal liquification and gasification become practical and very profitable. (This is what my father was working on when he retired in the early 80s).

newtonusr @ 122

Valley Girl @ 117

newt- linky? I need a whole bunch of laughs this eve.

Not what you had in mind, Valley Girl.

Newt- thanks so much for the link. I saw Brazil when it first came out, but obviously didn’t remember much of it, in detail. Watching the trailer brought back a few memories. Prescient, maybe?

DrDick @ 138

tw3k @ 134

I’ve only bits and pieces of that a few times. I gotta catch the whole movie sometime.

Really great movie. Revisit it periodically. Does seem rather apropos for our current situation.

The few short segments I saw made me think it was kinda surrealistically comical 1984.

The FEMA fake press conference has given significant warning to the citizens of Southern California that this administration is going to continue to be both uncaring and incompetent.

tw3k @ 148

DrDick @ 138

Really great movie. Revisit it periodically. Does seem rather apropos for our current situation.

The few short segments I saw made me think it was kinda surrealistically comical 1984.

Yep, that is about right.

DrDick @ 135

For Marx dictatorships and communism are antithetical to each other. Communism is about political and economic democracy. The authoritarian structures developed from the writings of Lenin, as well as the personalities of Stalin and Mao.

Exactly. In a way, he didn’t see capitalism and feudalism as systems, so much as he saw them as stages through which societies passed as they developed and grew. Capitalism and democracy together supplanted feudalism and paved the way for Communism, in Marx’s view. Bringing Communism to societies with no democratic or capitalist tradition — places like the Russia and China of the early 20th century — would be horrifying to him; it would be like giving howitzers to toddlers.

DrDick @ 129

TeddySanFran @ 118

I remember (less than a decade ago) reading about the tar sands, and the article said of course, it’s entirely unprofitable to remove oil from the sand.

At $100/bbl oil, everything is profitable.

That actually is the only upside of our current mess. With the price of oil at such outrageously high levels, it now makes short term economic sense (the only kind corporations seem capable of) to develop many of the alternatives which were always off the the shelf as impractical or too expensive. Biofuels, solar, wind power, fuel cell technology, etc. all become realistic in the short term. Frankly, I think at this point we would be better served by switching to other fuel sources and leave petroleum for petrochemical production (you try living without plastic). Full disclosure: my father was a chemical engineer for a major oil company (I really loathe them).

Wasn’t it just a very short time ago the talking heads were saying $100./bbl would be the turning point to “force” many to change their auto buying habits?

Wonder how people are gonna change their heating habits this winter. ;-(

Correction: “Panopticon-like,” not “Panopicon-like.” Please excuse.

Valley Girl @ 97

Petrocelli @ 91

Hands down, my fav. episode ever … Cleese doing the Goose step was side splitting …

Petro! I agree. Cleese is subversive.

Now I am trying to remember the theme of the episode where Basil was beating the car bonnet with the frozen turkey. Iconic!

I’m gonna scour Youtube to find and watch all the Fawlty Towers episodes … after Maher …

GordonM @ 127

Valley Girl @ 117

newt- linky? I need a whole bunch of laughs this eve.

Alas, VG, the humor in Brazil is extremely dark. An absolute classic, but not to be undertaken when what you need is a laugh.

Yes. See my comment to newt, above. And, dark humor is exactly correct.

Thanks for the concern all.

Luckily I kept my head. It must be why I have been planning on putting together an emergency kit.

Now for the nice ER bill that comes without insurance.

Thanks George W. Bush.

-GSD

Oil sands exploitation also uses and pollutes a lot of water resources. It, coal liquefication and gasification worsen global warming by increasing the atmospheric carbon load.

GordonM @ 137

CTuttle @ 121

Buttle? ;-)

The whole story of Brazil is how (due to a fly landing on a printer), the innocent Mr. Buttle is confused with the guerilla mechanic Tuttle (played, you’ll be gratified to know, by de Niro) with disastrous results.

That’s kewl! A few M*A*S*H fanatics have pointed out a Psychologist who had a few cameos…

Waccamaw @ 152

DrDick @ 129

That actually is the only upside of our current mess. With the price of oil at such outrageously high levels, it now makes short term economic sense (the only kind corporations seem capable of) to develop many of the alternatives which were always off the the shelf as impractical or too expensive. Biofuels, solar, wind power, fuel cell technology, etc. all become realistic in the short term. Frankly, I think at this point we would be better served by switching to other fuel sources and leave petroleum for petrochemical production (you try living without plastic). Full disclosure: my father was a chemical engineer for a major oil company (I really loathe them).

Wasn’t it just a very short time ago the talking heads were saying $100./bbl would be the turning point to “force” many to change their auto buying habits?

Wonder how people are gonna change their heating habits this winter. ;-(

A whole bunch, since the feds have failed to adequately fund the emergency heating program.

Rayne @ 144

Have to agree that universities and colleges are dangerous…

Particularly Texas A&M, Clemson, and Michigan State University — they permit the invitation of hate group speakers like white supremacist and president of British National Party Nick Griffin to speak on their campuses. Just this week, just this evening, in fact.

Griffin said tonight at MSU that he’d “shove homosexuals back in the closet and kill them.”

Yeah. Dangerous places, these universities and colleges, using public tax dollars to provide a forum for hate speech.

Evil bastard.

Valley Girl;
Basil / Cleese gives the bonnet a “Damn good thrashing” with a tree branch in “Gourmet Night”; couldn’t find a video…Our local pbs affiliate uses that clip to encourage people to donate their clunkers to the station.

OT, but look at this cool vid of firefighters who are heros.

Petrocelli @ 154

Valley Girl @ 97

Petro! I agree. Cleese is subversive.

Now I am trying to remember the theme of the episode where Basil was beating the car bonnet with the frozen turkey. Iconic!

I’m gonna scour Youtube to find and watch all the Fawlty Towers episodes … after Maher …

Kay Bailey Hutchison is on Maher right now. I will watch when she is gone.

I liked the PK Dick quote and the new muppet. On that you have to consider how money and political power can stave off reality. I see two choices, The Axis of Weasels can acknowledge our common reality or keep pushing the envelope as long as they are able. I think anybody here could make a 100% accurate prediction as to the choice they make on a daily basis.
Danger #1 has some newly named trolls, otherwise life continues as weirdly as ever over there.

DrDick @ 159

Waccamaw @ 152

Wasn’t it just a very short time ago the talking heads were saying $100./bbl would be the turning point to “force” many to change their auto buying habits?

Wonder how people are gonna change their heating habits this winter. ;-(

A whole bunch, since the feds have failed to adequately fund the emergency heating program.

Fortunately, the House Budget committee restored many of the cuts in the Domestic Bills that Shrub sought, LIHEAP, being one of them, but, will he veto ‘em? F*cker…!!!

Phoenix Woman @ 150

DrDick @ 135

For Marx dictatorships and communism are antithetical to each other. Communism is about political and economic democracy. The authoritarian structures developed from the writings of Lenin, as well as the personalities of Stalin and Mao.

Exactly. In a way, he didn’t see capitalism and feudalism as systems, so much as he saw them as stages through which societies passed as they developed and grew. Capitalism and democracy together supplanted feudalism and paved the way for Communism, in Marx’s view. Bringing Communism to societies with no democratic or capitalist tradition — places like the Russia and China of the early 20th century — would be horrifying to him; it would be like giving howitzers to toddlers.

Do you have any idea about multinational unions? Could there ever be something like multinational citizenship? Not like having citizenship in more than one country but something more like a citizen of a multinational union.

British National Party Nick Griffin is just another Larry Craig.

I saw that list earlier and thought it was made in jest. Onion, meet the remnants of the new right.

Loo Hoo. @ 162

OT, but look at this cool vid of firefighters who are heros.

This kind of thing is frighteningly routine for wild fire crews. That and then they live for weeks or months on fairly primitive conditions, working really long hours (often 12-18 hour days). I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for them.

Poor Idaho, they’ve gone from Frank Church to Larry Craig.

-GSD

Ed*ard Teller @ 168

I saw that list earlier nd thought it was made in jest. Onion, meet the remnants of the new right.

ET!
You’re home early!
How goes the trial?

Ed*ard Teller @ 168

I saw that list earlier nd thought it was made in jest. Onion, meet the remnants of the new right.

Hey, ET, ya made it safe and sound through the snow, I see…

GSD @ 156

Thanks for the concern all.

Luckily I kept my head. It must be why I have been planning on putting together an emergency kit.

$Now for the nice ER bill that comes without insurance.

Thanks George W. Bush.

-GSD

I had a nice ER visit almost two years ago on a Saturday morning after losing an argument with a can of cat food. No insurance and the total of ER visit, Doctor’s charges et al came to about $1,500.00 as I remember. This was at a hospital owned by the company the Frist family controls (HCA?) in Florida.

Dru @ 160

Valley Girl;
Basil / Cleese gives the bonnet a “Damn good thrashing” with a tree branch in “Gourmet Night”; couldn’t find a video…Our local pbs affiliate uses that clip to encourage people to donate their clunkers to the station.

Thanks for the info. I can’t imagine why I thought it was a frozen turkey! I mean, turkey is not high on the list of poultry awareness in the UK! ;) No wonder I couldn’t find a YouTube!

tw3k @ 166

Phoenix Woman @ 150

Exactly. In a way, he didn’t see capitalism and feudalism as systems, so much as he saw them as stages through which societies passed as they developed and grew. Capitalism and democracy together supplanted feudalism and paved the way for Communism, in Marx’s view. Bringing Communism to societies with no democratic or capitalist tradition — places like the Russia and China of the early 20th century — would be horrifying to him; it would be like giving howitzers to toddlers.

Do you have any idea about multinational unions? Could there ever be something like multinational citizenship? Not like having citizenship in more than one country but something more like a citizen of a multinational union.

Marx also saw nationalism as a stage which would ultimately pass away and be replaced by a universal workers paradise. No need for unions, since the workers would be the ones making the decisions. I am not as utopian as Marx, do not really believe in the perfectibility of humanity.

Reuters has picked up the fake fema story:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenew…..619054.htm

Mentioned it in an earlier thread but hope everyone gets to see the Moyers program on presidential powers including torture.

Next week is looking good also: “Big Media”.

GSD @ 170

Poor Idaho, they’ve gone from Frank Church to Larry Craig.

-GSD

Hell, Montana went from Mike Mansfield to Conrad Burns. Fortunately we are now moving past that embarrassment.

TRex upstairs on super villains

TRex is back!

GSD @ 156

Thanks for the concern all.

Luckily I kept my head. It must be why I have been planning on putting together an emergency kit.

Now for the nice ER bill that comes without insurance.

Thanks George W. Bush.

-GSD

I’m glad you are okay. Make sure you go over the itemized charges and can verify them; if you can’t, make them remove the fake stuff; then ask for an appointment with a financial counselor and try to get a discount; negotiate a rate (such as what they would accept from insurance if you did have it- which is much less than charges) and a payment plan. They can only say no, but do sometimes say yes! (End of unsolicited advice.) I have a lovely wrist scar from putting my arm throught a glass door when I was 6; I still get questions and worried concern!

Ed*ard Teller @ 168

I saw that list earlier and thought it was made in jest. Onion, meet the remnants of the new right.

It’s where the “new right” started. I recall, in about 66, the son of a John Bircher showing me an article about how “Soviets breeding apes with human women to create a race better suited to life under socialism”. Straight line from there to Libby’s bear in a cage episode.

Valley Girl @ 174

Dru @ 160

Valley Girl;
Basil / Cleese gives the bonnet a “Damn good thrashing” with a tree branch in “Gourmet Night”; couldn’t find a video…Our local pbs affiliate uses that clip to encourage people to donate their clunkers to the station.

Thanks for the info. I can’t imagine why I thought it was a frozen turkey! I mean, turkey is not high on the list of poultry awareness in the UK! ;) No wonder I couldn’t find a YouTube!

Mr. Bean put a turkey on his head in one episode…maybe the two episodes mashed up in your memory bank of silly Englishmen antics? Happens to me all the time!

marymccurnin @ 149

The FEMA fake press conference has given significant warning to the citizens of Southern California that this administration is going to continue to be both uncaring and incompetent.

I don’t think they needed the fires to tell them that. It’s pretty telling when you put a federal judge in charge of the Homeland Security Department(that name gives me the creeps).

DrDick @ 175

tw3k @ 166

Do you have any idea about multinational unions? Could there ever be something like multinational citizenship? Not like having citizenship in more than one country but something more like a citizen of a multinational union.

Marx also saw nationalism as a stage which would ultimately pass away and be replaced by a universal workers paradise. No need for unions, since the workers would be the ones making the decisions. I am not as utopian as Marx, do not really believe in the perfectibility of humanity.

Realistically I’m not a believer of utopia either. Ideally, in so far as I understand Marx, I can see his vision.

I was thinking more in terms on combating or creating a check against multinational corps for when individual nations fail to proper regulate.

Dakine,

F*** Bill Frist and his greedy family.

Dru, thanks for the advice!

-GSD

Holy SHIT!

Media Matters beat all every goddamned college and university in the COUNTRY!!

Now THAT is quite the FEAT.

They truly are antieducation, anti-intelligentsia. True fucking fascists.

Be back for late night. I’m gearing up.

Could there ever be something like multinational citizenship?

globalization has caused the very rich to pretty much lose identity with national origin. They care only of their profits, which generally are generated all over the world, not just in one country or area. This is a major impact in the US where bush, the neocons, oil barons, the plutocracy don’t care about screwing the US as long as they get what they want. Bush’s buddy making deals with the kurds that undermine US policy is a case in point.
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pluege @ 187

Could there ever be something like multinational citizenship?

globalization has caused the very rich to pretty much lose identity with national origin. They care only of their profits, which generally are generated all over the world, not just in one country or area. This is a major impact in the US where bush, the neocons, oil barons, the plutocracy don’t care about screwing the US as long as they get what they want. Bush’s buddy making deals with the kurds that undermine US policy is a case in point.
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yeah, so what would be a good counterbalance?

A multinational workers union, a multinational humanitarian group, what else?

What’s the counter list?
AEI? Defense Policy Advisory Board?

Not to play tit for tat but where exactly is the right-wing institutional heart of darkness?

Maybe they’ll forgive the ACLU:
Craig: Sex Sting Arrest Was Unconstitutional

“This is the first time Craig’s attorneys have raised that issue. However, an earlier friend-of-the-court filing by the American Civil Liberties Union argued that Craig’s foot-tapping and hand gesture under a stall divider at the Minneapolis airport are protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees freedom of speech.”

Isn’t David Brock the guy who repented his role in the Republican slime machine, wrote a book about it, and changed sides? That’s what I think of when I think of David Brock.

That was “Blinded by the Right”, a pretty good read. “The Republican Noise Machine” followed.
My own call on him, and I’ve never met him. Is of someone looking for a civil discourse on important matters. I’m all for that.