Fratboy McFlightsuit amused himself today pretty well, but San Diegans trying to return to determine the condition of their homes were not amused:
Rancho Bernardo residents began their journey back home with a surprise today.
They were stuck in traffic for two to three hours sitting in their cars at a standstill because of President Bush’s visit to their community.
Police and the CHP had blocked off Interstate 15 ramps to West Bernardo Drive, which leads to the recovery center that was opened yesterday. Cars lined up for miles on the freeway.
Spreading comfort wherever he goes:
Fed up with waiting, Barbara Gandre said she needed to drive her 87-year-old mother home to pick up medication for her 89-year-old husband.
Her mother just recovered from pneumonia in September and the family did not have masks to wear over their faces. They sat in their car with the windows rolled down because they only had a quarter tank of gas left.
“I cannot run the air conditioning or I’ll run out of gas,” Gandre said. “I am sick of this,” she said.
Fool me once, shame on you…. well, you know the rest.
(h/t peanutbutter)
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Hi Teddy
Dont’ get me started on Commander Codpiece and those damned C-130s that just sat there on the ground.
I could just spit.
Hey Suzanne,
What the heck?
Hi everyone!
“For his amusement”
Spread the word….
darn.
Hi Teddy!
Evening all. Our self-absorbed and self indulgent little emperor at his finest today.
TeddySanFran @ 7
It’s got legs.
howdy, TSF!
Bush and the Bushies insensitive to regular folk? No way!
Is it true that they had to ground the water bombers so he could visit the disaster area ?
If you want to look at some pictures that show the air quality this week, I posted some here:
http://www.flickr.com/
I live in Anaheim. I am beyond furious, and my husband is worried that I’m about to have an apoplectic fit.
“I write signing statements … For my amusement.”
;>)
TexBetsy @ 13
Well, he wouldn’t want to trouble his “beautiful mind” with them, now would he?
darkblack @ 16
Heh ;-)
Hi Teddy
I wonder how many homes burned down because of the air restrictions due to Chimpsters visit?
Petrocelli @ 14
Not quite. We had no C-130s with water tanks until Tuesday, when they sent us 6 from as far away as North Carolina. And those sat on the ground until yesterday. Supposedly they were flying yesterday afternoon but the only things flying on the hours of news coverage that I’ve seen were tiny airplanes and small helicopters. It’s a scandal.
Details here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21478621/
epu’d, but let’s keep it in mind
Full moon will be at it’s peak within half an hour (12:51 am EDT, 9:51 pm PDT), involving two very stubborn signs. Some folks say full moon is a time of potent spiritual energies flooding the planet, if they’re too much for us, we act nutso. So, as Petro suggests, Breathe. Use the energy wisely and lovingly.
TeddySanFran @ 7
You’re being awful Stark there TSF, aren’t you?
;-)
Nice Post, Teddy! Shrub has no compassion, otherwise he would’ve stayed away…
legitimate comments are being censored here, just so you all know.
laurence @ 24
What do you mean?
Throwing hat up in air for PB. (Happy real birthday!)
Hi Teddy.
“I blow up amphibians . . . For my amusement.”
“I execute the disabled . . . For my amusement.”
“I don’t torture . . . For my amusement.”
“I pretend I have a Texan accent . . . For my amusement.”
“I am presidenting. . . For my amusement.”
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 21
Scorpios?
I should know better than to revisit this:
punaise @ 101
sometimes our automated filters might be overactive.
“censored”?
i don’t think so.
“I milk male horses … For my amusement.“
;>)
opie_jeanne @ 20
And these guys are sitting right up here in western Montana eager to help and with plenty of experience. We also had hotshot crews waiting to be called up, but no calls.
Mad Dogs @ 22
i like! The Stark truth discomfits hypocrits such as ol’ sniggering fratboy-in-chief.
darkblack @ 31
“Eeek! Wuss…”
darkblack @ 31
OH God! OH God! Help me.
CTuttle @ 23
He is a sociopathic sadist. He has no empathy for others and actually likes watching their suffering.
opie_jeanne @ 25
I am (closely) related to a commenter on the last thread who has become somewhat controversial. Her last three comments have been obliterated, even though they contained nothing objectionable according to the published standards.
Hooray for FDL, champion of the First Amendment.
marymccurnin @ 34
Couldn’t we just have had the other end of the horse?
marymccurnin @ 34
Wait a darn minute here. Ain’t he afeared of horses?
President shit for brains was in town apparently–cause arnie told him to come.
now he’s gone- good riddance.
marymccurnin @ 28
And Taurus. (I have both in my family, love ‘em, but flexibility is not a trait that comes to mind … )
darkblack @ 31
LOL! That one is going in my scrapbook.
Happy Birthday PB!
(My son wanted to know why you have a cookie as your FB pic…I told him it was a Peanutbutter cookie…am I right?)
Birthday Dance for You!!!
Thanks petro. Just posted the story at Head On.
“Sometimes I like to combine my amusements… After all, I’m very busy. And important.”
;>)
marymccurnin @ 38
Just ridin’ themnever mind !newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 40
Me scorpio. Me no stubborn. Much. Well maybe little bit. Let me go ask the Virgo in the other room.
Yep. I’m stubborn.
OT..And Re-Post..but it looks like Bush want to go “eyeball to eyeball” with the Rooskie’s. Maybe will get Tv re-runs of “Duck and Cover Turtle”.
Asia Times
Totally EPU’d the day I get a front page h/t!!! WOO HOO! Thank you for the birthday prezzie, Teddy!!
Dark Black, you are bad. Love it.
Petrocelli @ 14
Been trying to confirm that or not. Don’t know, though.
What day marymccurnin… I’m a Scorpio too
“Certain things that I do, for my amusement…Let’s just say my spouse wouldn’t understand. Small-town librarian, you see.”
;>)
TexBetsy @ 43
Hiya Betsy … any comfort food for us tense pups ?
katymine @ 52
11-15-1949
noonish
Virgo moon
left handed and southern also.
DrDick @ 32
I can’t figure this fuckery out. I can tell you Prather would have seized on y’all and not let you go had he any say in this…
Twain @ 38
i’ve posted this before, but since you asked ;-)
Three Texas surgeons were playing golf together and discussing surgeries they had performed. One of them said, “I’m the best surgeon in Texas. A concert pianist lost 7 fingers in an accident, I reattached them, and 8 months later she performed a private concert for the Queen of England.”
The second surgeon said. “That’s nothing. A young man lost both arms and legs in an accident, I reattached them, and 2 years later he won a gold medal in field events in the Olympics.”
The third surgeon said, “You guys are amateurs. Several years ago a cowboy who was high on cocaine and alcohol rode a horse head-on into a train traveling 80 miles an hour. All I had left to work with was the horse’s ass and a cowboy hat. Now he’s president of the United States.”
darkblack @ 44
Is that Craig ? Gannon ? Rove ?
laurence @ 36
I’m Not one of the mods, obviously. But, please pass this on to your closely related other…
I’m so sorry that things got a little crazy here tonight. It’s been building. And, as Laura said, we’ve lost some people due to undue stress and hurtful words.
I believe this is a good place.
I’s not always fun.
But, we are a family.
Heal and come back.
okay?
Well Texteen never gave me his lunchbox when I was making lunches around here, so he’s on his own tomorrow and y’all can have the sandwiches and pickles.
peanutbutter @ 55
It has, as you can see, been a subject of discussion up here as well. We know from wild fires and how you deal with them. It makes no sense at all not to call up seasoned and available fire crews who are available and this close.
marymccurnin @ 54
Wow… Day after my sisters…
Mine is 11/2
right handed and West by Southwest person
darkblack @ 16
Is that Gannon?
DrDick @ 60
*headdesk*
With the right equipment, Santiago could have been contained Monday night, and then we’d be off helping San Diego…
TexBetsy @ 59
Yum, but I was in the mood for onion rings and carrot sticks… ;-)
demi @ 59
well, that’s not possible if one is being “banned”, is it?
Big Mitch, RIP.
Kathleen, RIP.
Oddmommy, RIP.
Happy free speech, ladies and gentlemen.
katymine @ 62
Does fire ever crackle in your head?
marymccurnin @ 47
(covers mouth so giggle doesn’t erupt) I’m a Virgo who was married to a Scorpio, one daughter is a Scorpio, and the other has her Moon in Scorpio. Some people look at me in awe, like, “and she’s still alive?” Scorpios are very tolerant towards Virgo nagging, thank goodness.
Who stole the rest of the cake??? Oh Mr PREZZident!
peanutbutter @ 49
Thanks for bringing this to our attention, and happy birfday!
marymccurnin … fire?
Not sure what you mean….
why am I thinking of the enumclaw horse?
Anyone heard from OldCoastie since this morning?
Trabuco (including plano as far as I can tell) is under mandatory evac, though no homes are directly threatened at the moment.
TexBetsy @ 68
Laughing hard!
katymine @ 70
Scorpio fire. And then back up from the embers.
TexBetsy @ 68
Him? He’s scared of horses, doncha know? ;-)
RonD and VG
Saw it!
And, thanks.
(gee whiz).
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 66
So are Sagittarius, thankfully! ;-)
TexBetsy @ 60
yum! thanks, Betsy.
Kirk… can I pick your brain regarding sources for medical information?
DrDick @ 32
I really wonder who screwed that up.
We had all of those Marines with their helicopters and planes, and there was a red tape misunderstanding that got cleared up, but then they said, Oh, it was too dangerous to fly by then. But those little planes and helicopters were still flying in the places where it wasn’t too dangerous.
demi and pb- I left you some love downstairs
CTuttle @ 64
That’s quite an …um… combo!
marymccurnin @ 73
So that is why I warm my butt on the woodstove when I am cold…
VG
Saw it. Gotta Love that Love!
You bet.
PB, I didn’t know it was your birthday-Happy happy! BTW, I left something for you, and demi, at the end of the last thread.
Thanx for the snack, Betsy. That was great.
And goodnight, all. Breathe the free air and know a better day will be here soon.
And anyone who can, please give my regards and best wishes to Loo Hoo.
Goodnight.
(bows, tucks umbrella under arm, and exits screen left).
demi @ 76
k. my pleasure.
peanutbutter @ 81
Trust me, it is! Just ask MalKKKin!
katymine @ 78
Absolutely – both cells on line.
You may also email me: kmurphy riseup net
katymine @ 84
Desert nights. How are you today, katymine?
peanutbutter @ 81
the most notorious late night snack i ever cooked up. don’t even remember what the post was. the hillary ad maybe?
gnite RonD
and gnite moon and fdl
katymine @ 83
Yep. Be care. Scorpios tend to go up in smoke rather easily.
sleep well ronD
RonD @ 86
Good night! And thanks. And I think RBG and I are cool.
If you’re here RonD, I’m good. See my #58 on this thread.
:)
good night Laura :-)
goodnight spoon
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 87
I will email you…
peanutbutter @ 83
I thought Ann Outhouse owned these items…maybe you should check with her?
(((Laura Doty)))
Valley Girl @ 82
Saw it too! I am undeniably cranky. Ah well. That’s why I did send my followup (true) about hitting the wrong button :-P Everyone’s got their preview and submit button in different places, pbbbbbbt!
katymine @ 62
Ooohhh, I’m 11/2 too. Right handed and North by North Central. Never quite liked the fact it was All Souls Day…*g*
TexBetsy @ 89
It was, where TRex tore in to MalKKKin’s err… short-comings…!
Shadowstalker @ 100
Copious glasses of red w(h)ine and a webcame, I thought!
LoudounLib @ 97
((((( L L )))))
awwww, hi (((( Petro )))) !
Hey LL, how you doing? Haven’t seen you around for a bit.
Cass is Novem 1. A week from today.
Mad Dogs @ 103
I always thought All Souls Day was pretty cool – better than Day of the Dead ;-) But in any event, Samhain – the new year.
Shadowstalker @ 98
Ooh, it might’ve been Outhouse, not, Malkkkin, TRex simply adores the lot of ‘em…! 8-)
Hey DrD! Doing fine here, how about you? It’s teh baseball that’s been taking up most of my time lately ;-)
Any updates on TRex’s health ?
Hope you heal quickly, big guy …
Nov 1 is All Souls days…. My mothers joke…she missed Halloween by two and All Souls by one…so what is she?
TexBetsy @ 107
Sweet(?) 16 if I recall correctly and ready to terrorize the streets and highways of central Texas.
LoudounLib @ 107
Tried any new Brews lately ?
TexBetsy @ 109
Hope she’ll drop by here that evening so we can celebrate with her :-)
Petrocelli @ 111
According to his brother, TRex is doing a bit better, well enough to send Patrick off to run errands for him.
DrDick @ 115
Oh shush. I’m sure she’s an excellent driver… DUUUUUUCCCCKKKK!!!
;-)
Petro, alas no — have any recommendations?
TexB – Right! Her Sweet Sixteen. Wow. A special day for her.
Well, I’m dragging my tired A** to bed.
Good night friends.
(and ignore that big old bad moon…if ya can.)
TexBetsy @ 118
Excellent !
sweet dreams demi
DrDick @ 113
Yes sweet 16.
our yellowpup was born november 28th,
1998.
among the last of the twentieth century.
sleep well demi.
LoudounLib @ 110
Doin’ good. Sliding through the end of the week with tests in my classes (which are scantron tests and graded by my TA). Weather has been a bit cold and damp here, but this weekend looks gorgeous, if a bit nippy (50s). May go for a hike.
Nite TexB and LL.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :)
Night Demi.
LoudounLib @ 110
Heh, Go BoSox! What a nail-biter tonite…!
Good nite everyone who is going to bed. Sleep well.
We’ve been cold and damp around here too, DrD, the past couple of days. After about 40 days without rain here we are really enjoying it and not complaining one bit! Believe we’ve had 2 inches of rain so far, with more on Friday.
And….you know I always come back for one more.
I’m gonna pray for all of the sad and hurting souls tonight.
I can just hear the Chimpster in the limo now.. You see all that traffic looking at ME.. Mother always told me they were so happy to just get a chance to look at us. heh heh.
CTuttle @ 130
I’m tellin’ ya!
LoudounLib @ 120
Well, I’d hate to diss my buddy, newtonusr, but Negro Modelo was disappointing … Leffe and Chimay are far better …
No worries though, it did not go to waste … I gave it to my neighbor … who I have not seen since … *g*
Niters, sleepers…!
demi @ 133
I can get behind that.
((( demi )))
Petro, I will make it a point to pick up some Chimay this weekend, and I’ll let you know how I like it :-)
Okay…PPS,
LL I thought about you during the fires down here. You and your CA peers.
Prayers for them too!
Petrocelli @ 136
Dude, never had the pleasure of Leffe or Chimay. But Modelo and Mexican food is heaven.
Eureka Springs @ 134
He’d be more like … why does everyone complain about gridlock? Heck we’re moving along just fine …
Well, I think I should head off to bed as well. Still have to put in an appearance tomorrow. Take care and enjoy the snark. Best wishes to all the SoCal Fire Pups.
demi, thanks so much — our SoCal compadres are in the forefront of our thoughts!
I just ran out to look at the moon — it is high in night sky and beautiful! All clouds and rain tomorrow in Cleveland, for days to come this weekend.
katymine @ 113
Soulqween
g’night DrD, sleep well and have a great day tomorrow.
newtonusr @ 141
Yum! Yes!
night Dr D
Eureka Springs @ 146
aaaaghhhh! :-)
LoudounLib @ 139
Do check out their site … they have 3 distinct Beers. I had the White cap, which was a really amazing experience.
If you like dark Beer, you might want to try the Blue Cap.
I need to move along as well; working some overtime on Friday from 11 to 7. Good night all!
Petrocelli @ 151
Making a list, checking it twice *g* thanks Petro!
TexBetsy @ 118
1 x 6ft 2″ handsome massage expert
1 x 6ft 3″ very handsome chiropractor
1 x 6ft 1″ Tai Chi instructor(nice smile)
1 x 6ft 0″ Riaki practitioner(nice eyes)
1 x 6ft 4″ (wow)organic chef
1 x tender hearted soul to soothe his fevered brow (any size)
“Poor people don’t understand the things that we rich folk do for our amusement.”
;>)
…And yes, TSF, that was a certain former White House reporter.
peanutbutter @ 148
Portobello mushroom fajitas, black beans and Negro Modelo.
newtonusr @ 141
Describing it as “Vienna style lager” is a bit of a stretch. I know what you mean though,
Indian Beer is not so good, but when paired with Indian Food … mmm mmmm good !
as i go to bed, i’m saying my prayers for every fire fighter everywhere.
May the Bodhisattvas protect them.
Time to break out the joke collection:
may @ 154
That’s probably how he hurt his back in the first place … *g*
So the judge says to Mickey Mouse-
I understand Mr. Mouse that you want to divorce your wife, Minnie, because she is crazy. Is that right?
No! She not crazy. She’s fucking Goofy.
Petrocelli @ 155
A good jagerschnitzel pairs up beautifully with the Haus Brew…! ;-)
LoudounLib @ 153
G’ nite LL !
I’d better get back to work on this book, so I can visit these So Cal pups soon and break bread … G’ nite all !
nite petro
CTuttle @ 162
Stop, don’t make me hungry … it’s 1 a.m. in Toronto.
…waving goodnight to CT …
why did the girl mushroom like the boy mushroom?
because he was a fungi!
Petrocelli @ 160
shh!
what doesn’t kill me,makes me stronger.
mind you nitchee ended up mad as
g’nite petro!
Nite, Petro!
newtonusr @ 156
*swoon*
Rice Admits US Erred in Deportation, But Offers No Apology For Rendition
from CommonDreams.org by CommonDreams.org
WASHINGTON – Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice admitted Wednesday that the United States had mishandled the case of a Canadian who was deported to Syria and who has said he was tortured there, but she stopped short of an apology. Ms. Rice spoke in response to a lawmaker’s question about the man, Maher Arar, who […]
Nite, LL and YDJ!
TexBetsy @ 171
Isn’t he suing the US?
Wars Could Cost $2.4 Trillion Over Decade, Analysis Says
from CommonDreams.org by CommonDreams.org
WASHINGTON – The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost as much as $2.4 trillion through the next decade, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said yesterday. The White House brushed off the analysis as “speculation.” The estimate was the most comprehensive and far-reaching one to date. It factored in costs previously not counted and assumed that […]
CTuttle @ 162
Just so everybody knows, I’m setting myself up here…
What is a jagerschnitzel?
more First Amendment love:
I’ve put up a few pics on flickr here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16104934@N03/
Nothing much beyond sooty smokey skies, but it gives you an idea of the local atmosphere :-P
marymc, pretty sure he can’t. they classified all the paperwork.
White House Admits Redactions On Testimony: Some Senators Want Answers
from CommonDreams.org by CommonDreams.org
Bush administration officials acknowledged yesterday that they heavily edited testimony on global warming, delivered to Congress on Tuesday by the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, after the president’s top science adviser and other officials questioned its scientific basis.Senate Democrats say they want to investigate the circumstances involved in the editing of […]
As I predicted, boosh showed up in Southern California wearing a long-sleeved shirt with the sleeves rolled up, to show he was doin’ hard work…for his amusement.
newtonusr @ 173
No Prob, Breaded Veal with a Mushroom Gravy!
neurophius @ 179
I thought of you today when I saw that.
Sarkozy calls for a gradual Green Revolution in France, starting with a suspension of GM crops and reduction of pesticide use.
peanutbutter @ 176
Thank everyone from SoCal for sharing all the lovely smoke which is now in our air…. “bit of haze” is what the weather guy said….
punaise @ 183
Hey! I can’t read that.
Learn French Mary!
CTuttle @ 181
Buffalo stew (Tommy’s Joint, Van Ness Avenue, SF) and Dinkel Acker Bock.
newtonusr @ 187
I was never brave enough to go eat there.
Steve-AR @ 48
Recall that Bush, referring to Putin and Russias providing light-water reactors (under Russian and IAEA supervision) to Iran said
“So I’ve told people that, if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon.”
Not just an attack on IRAN…but WWIII…between multiple nations, including major powers, opposite one another.
Bush was essentially telling Putin…”YOU will be responsible”. And recall what he has said about those that “assist” terrorists…”You are either with us or you are against us.”
This wasn’t making a threat to Iran…it was making a threat to Russia.
Let me try
The President Nicolas Sarkoszy has pronounced the suspension of GM cultures and reduction of pesticides and immediate creation of carbon tax
marymccurnin @ 188
It is a dive, to be sure. But after a foggy nite @ Candlestick, no other place. ‘cept the Buena Vista.
cinnamonape @ 189
Maybe boosh wants to have his very own “Cuban missle crisis” moment…make that “Iran nuclear reactor crisis”
katymine @ 187
The President Nicolas Sarkoszy has pronounced the suspension of GM cultures and reduction of pesticides and immediate creation of carbon tax
not quite a carbon tax. Super job. :)
cinnamonape @ 189
if fuckwad and putin were playing p*ker, who would you bet on?
~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~
hi katymine – my email is hinky…but if you pitched I didn’t catch…
why am thinking of craigslist?
punaise @ 181
Yes!
We are everywhere…
even in the love-lorn PM’s heart.
Jeebus, if we’d be rid of GM crops, I hope Piddles would dump George…
newtonusr @ 190
Newt- my limited experience in SF is that there are really not many restaurants that are open past 11 pm. That seems odd.
After a night at the opera, tried to go to the Zuni Cafe (?) for eats. We were on the verge of being turned away, but I went to the bar and said we wanted a “take out”. Iron fist in velvet glove. Ate take away burgers and chips back in the hotel suite.
marymccurnin @ 184
try this
peanutbutter @ 73
Hola pb! Estoy aqui…
We are still not in the evac area – a couple blocks from it, but that is far enough. This evening is the first time I haven’t seen fire in a couple days. The smoke is a bit lighter. They’ve about doubled the fire personnel and I think most of the burn has gone up and over for the moment, but I can’t be sure – heard a couple fire trucks go screamin’ by w/ lights and sirens about a half hour ago, but I couldn’t say where they’ve gone… now if I could just get a bottle of oxygen to go with my bottle of beer, I’d be a happy camper.
kirk … used kmurphy at riseup dot net
will resend it
katymine @ 189
The President Nicolas Sarkoszy has pronounced the suspension of GM cultures and reduction of pesticides and immediate creation of carbon tax
permettez-moi:
President Nicolas Sarkoszy has pronounced the suspension of GM cultures and reduction of pesticides without going so far as calling for the immediate creation of carbon tax
Democrat rolls out tax overhaul plan
from LA Times
Rep. Rangel’s package would boost taxes on some of the nation’s wealthiest people, including super-rich financial executives, and provide relief for 90 million households earning less than $400,000.
The lead tax architect in Congress today unveiled a sweeping package of cuts and increases, which could become the blueprint for the Democrats’ initiative to overhaul the tax code with the majorities they hold in the House and Senate.
good to see you old coastie and to hear you’re ok
punaise @ 199
Well not bad for someone who took HS Spanish and learned Greek by immersion
katymine @ 202
you were thiiiiisssss close….
cinnamonape @ 189
The f*cked up part is we are building two light-water reactors in Yong-Byon, NK, even after they attempted to detonate a Nuke! Why on earth would we tell the Russians they can’t do the same with Iran, under supervision of the IAEA???
punaise @ 203
should of known…. he is a French Repug … NO new taxes…
alors Punaise. Vous etre mon ange.
CTuttle @ 205
Because the official US foreign policy is now to hip-check first and ask questions in ‘09.
my bold
Valley Girl @ 206
I just flew in from heaven (just for the halo of it), and boy do my wings hurt… :~)
marymccurnin @ 171
I think so. He got his apology from Canada and the RCMP but our guys have yet to have any real remorse for what they’ve done to him. It absolutely sickens me.
katymine @ 189
The President Nicolas Sarkoszy has pronounced the suspension of GM cultures and reduction of pesticides and immediate creation of carbon tax
without going quite so far as to the creation of… (sans aller)
aliasofwestgate @ 209
Because the Bushidiots said that Canada gave them the wrong information on the guy. So, it isn’t their fault again.
Mad Dogs @ 159
AHAHA! (snort)…
OldCoastie @ 197
Oh good! It’s hard to tell from those dad blasted maps!
aliasofwestgate @ 210
Both sides already settled, I can’t remember the exact amount, but, it was over $4-5 Mil…
just in time for the next disaster: from the CA Dept. of Insurance, a home inventory guide. (top link on this list)
pb – those maps have been hours “out of date”… I’ve got the creek bed seperating me from the fire and its pretty wide up on this end… the fire started up the mountain last night and not towards me now… somethin’ about a chimney effect… did you step outside tonight? DAMPNESS! Lovely, lovely dampness in the air… and cooler too…
Texas enrollment shift continues
from HoustonChronicle
Texas community colleges grew twice as rapidly as the state’s public universities this fall, continuing an enrollment shift that coincides with rising tuition costs, according to preliminary numbers released Thursday.
S. Texas immigrant detention center accused of mistreatment
from HoustonChronicle
One was diagnosed with schizophrenia. The other had manic depression. But as far as the federal immigration detention system is concerned, the pair said, their illnesses were checked at the door.
katymine @ 184
You say that like we did it to annoy you.
peanutbutter @ 95
I certainly hope we are…and how crass of me to forget your birthday. :)
TexBetsy @ 218
ASU – Arizona State University is the third largest university in the country… over 51,000 students at the Tempe campus. Mesa Community college has over 30,000 students
peanutbutter @ 177
Thanks. You must live near me.
not for the queasy —-
Laura Bush To Troops: No Matter What Papers Say, “People Do Appreciate The Gift Of Freedom”
from Huff Po by The Huffington Post News Editors
First lady Laura Bush told hundreds of U.S. troops Thursday that the American people stand by them in the Iraq war and the security situation in the country was improving due to their efforts.
“We are seeing signs of progress as thousands of Iraqis are stepping up to work with coalition soldiers,” Mrs. Bush told about 700 members of the different services of the U.S. military who were either coming from the war-torn country or heading there.
OldCoastie @ 216
Yes, it’s the weirdest thing! Felt it last night and tonight, too…
Those maps are sooooo irritating. San Diego has got a great system going. I’m going to prod that damned SRRU over at OC to put together somethign more informative, and not so limited to telephones…!!
RBG @ 220
:-)
opie_jeanne @ 222
Northwest of the general perimeter of Santiago fire…
I can’t remember where I read it, but the cheap n’ cheesy OC County Supervisors decided we had plenty of fire fighting aircraft…. a whole 2 teeny, old, decrepit helicopters… as compared to LA County (granted much larger in area and population) has 12 of various sized helicopters and fixed wing… and wouldn’t cough up any extra money for planes…
you don’t suppose the reason we got no planes during the fire is that the State coordinator was flippin’ the bird at us big time?
This doesn’t bode well…
“Turkey warned Thursday that U.S. objections will not stop its troops from crossing into Iraq to pursue Kurdish separatists, while a steady stream of U.S.-made Turkish fighter jets roared across the skies along the border.
High-level Iraqi officials arrived in Turkey as part of frantic efforts to persuade the government not to order an attack on Kurdish guerrilla bases in northern Iraq, and the U.S. ambassador to Iraq sent American diplomats to join the delegation.” (AP)
Katrina was bad. The Southern California fires were bad. The possible earthquake potential in California would dwarf these events. If it ever happens I hope it is after 2008.
peanutbutter @ 227
You’re a lot closer to it, then. I’m in Anaheim, two miles north of Dizzyland. I shot some photos today in Redondo Beach, and two days ago at the Orange Hill restaurant parking lot, and on Monday I shot the wind damage right around my house.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/snowwhite/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/snowwhite/
We’ve got winter! Six inches of snow on the ground. Starting to blow – 35 now, supposed to get up to 85 knots tonight.
I’ve got to drive into Anchorage tomorrow early to continue covering the Vic Kohring GOP Corrupt Bastard Club trial and defend the Course Content Guidelines of one of my courses to the UAA curriculum committee.
Missing my friends at the lake…
California fire smoke makes the best haze for Arizona Sunsets…. spectacular colors and just the right amount of haze to put up a great show.
marymccurnin @ 229
especially the double-whammy from the Sacto area levees that would collapse in a major quake
OldCoastie @ 228
And Prather is being criticized tonight by the ex-volunteer firefighters, all 400 of them who were let go a couple of years ago.
Ed*ard Teller @ 232
whoa, ET! 6″ inches is a pretty good snowfall! and we miss you too…
Hi ET… it was 96 degrees here today…
punaise @ 234
Complicated and scary.
katymine @ 233
Smog and smoke make purty sunsets, don’t they?
Salon.com
punaise @ 234
well, cheesus, punaise! ain’t you just a little ray of sunshine!
;-)
(I could live for another 48 hours without dreaming up any new disasters, thank you very much…. my little teeny brain is very weary!)
Hey ET,
Winter here too. 45 at night and 70 daytime.
katymine @ 237
I think I’ll pass on that. 85 would be GREAT!
anybody hear from burns today?
punaise @ 234
Oh lord….Flooding up north and loss of water down south. *shudder*
Gee, I’ve always thought about relocating to Vancouver…
opie_jeanne @ 239
Looking at your pics…I’ve got family up in Redondo. Nice to see yours :-)
OldCoastie @ 244
***
Burns posted briefly sometime today…he is OK, been away working in NYC, I think he said…
peanutbutter @ 245
Heehee! The sky is falling!
We’re moving to Seattle or therabouts in about 2 years, when my husband retires. I’ll really miss SoCal, probably because I’m a native.
I was thinkin’ it might be nice to retire to Oregon… I think they skip these big fires up there for the most part…
OldCoastie @ 249
You’re kidding, aren’t you?
They won’t like you much until you get your new license plates, just like no one liked them until they got Oregon plates. Snerk.
oh and thank you for your support, good friends….I’ll be sure to have your backs in the unlikely event you ever exceed the bounds of acceptable moderated discourse.
OldCoastie @ 249
Wet. And my allergies kick in big time. But the time I went to Seattle and then to Victoria by ferry *swoon*
Plus, hey. Canada’s got that single payer thing going.
just to complete the cheery outlook, check this out:
If you have cats you will love this!
OldCoastie @ 241
yep – a couple threads back….
’side from my tiresome bashing of free-market religion *g* , he seemed to be well and happy…
his home 3 mi away form the fires, IIRC…
glad he is OK
CD @ 247
He’s back from NYC and he’s safe and sound!
Come to Texas. We can have pretty much any disaster except typhoon.
On that note … I’m out.
punaise @ 252
I would be 116 by then, if I lasted that long.
punaise @ 252
All you have to do is poke your head outside here in soCal. It’s blindingly obvious.
Sixty years, huh? *shakes head* I need to convince my litte nephew niblets to move somewhere else…
marymccurnin @ 230
marymc -
I understand your 2008 reasoning, living in hurricane country myself. The realllllly scary part is the question of how many years it will take to undo the damage in all the agencies that have been gutted of competency and accountability during the reign of the thugs.
TexBetsy @ 256
Night! Sleep tight!
Mad Dogs @ 159
Here’s one:
Young lady wearing a tight tight short skirt tried to board a Greyhound bus. Seeing that her skirt was too tight, she reached back and unzipped it a little. Tried to get on the bus again but couldn’t= skirt still too tight. So she reached back again and zipped it all the way down. At that point, the man behind her picked her up and put her on the bus. She loudly complained, saying he was a stranger and how dare he! The guy said, “But lady, I thought you liked me. You unzipped my zipper twice”.
TexBetsy @ 256
Sleep well, Ma’am!
wow! they let burns on an airplane?? I’m impressed!
peanutbutter @ 259
Two of my kids have already headed north, just one left down here. He may follow at some point.
Waccamaw @ 259
All the more reason to begin those monthly strikes.
all right – gotta hit the hay… sleep well, pups…
Marilyn In Texas @ 261
707! I’m sure it gave him a rise…
OK,past my bedtime. Night, all! And again thanks for the prezzies and well wishes!
Good night all. I had a long day ranting about the infuriating incompetence and now I’m tired.
Must sleep so that I may rant another day.
P.S. I can’t add. In 60 years I’d be 117, not 116. Something to aim for.
Nite, OC!
‘night pb, night opie_jeanne…
it’s not just about where we’ll be in 60 years, but what happens along the way.
the censors are still working.
no obscenity…..no v*a**a…..no p*k*er…..no threat of violent action…..not EVEN an A*P*AC or an Is*r*ael.
Just, FDL doesn’t like what we have to say.
Remember that next time you’re ordered to call your congresspeople, good puppy dogs.
Nite, PB, and Happy Birthday! Nite, Opie…
CTuttle @ 270
see ya’ tomorrow… hey! how about them ****!
I am going to bed, too. Good night all.
See you tomorrow.
punaise @ 272
True, we need to be pro-active! Where’s Suz?
marymccurnin @ 275
Nite, Mary!
punaise @ 273
Yes the ride will be bumpy for sure…
I’ll be 102 in sixty years. Vancouver here I come ;-)
OldCoastie @ 272
G’night PB.
G’night OC.
G’night John-boy.
Nighty night. Sleep tight. Don’t let the bedbugs bite.
demi @ 43
I totally missed this! Yes, it’s a peanut butter cookie and thanks for the bday wishes!
punaise @ 253
pun, I’m stumped – the link pulls up Ghouliani..
will we all be drinking blood?
PS -
goodnight PB – sleep well
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 281
oops. my bad. clipboard error. try this instead.
thanks! (i think…)
Know this has likely been noted but just in case I highly recommend anyone who hasn’t glimpsed the current New Yorker cover capturing VP Cheney’s essence you are in for a great Halloween treat.
;~)
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 286
you have mail
This is priceless…
More Proof That You Just Can’t Trust the MSM: The AP reports:
Al-Qaida sympathizers have unleashed a torrent of anger against Al-Jazeera television, accusing it of misrepresenting Osama bin Laden’s latest audiotape by airing excerpts in which he criticizes mistakes by insurgents in Iraq.
Users of a leading Islamic militant Web forum posted thousands of insults against the pan-Arab station for focusing on excerpts in which bin Laden criticizes insurgents, including his followers.. . .
“God fight Al-Jazeera,” railed one militant Web poster, calling the station a “collaborator with the Crusaders” for suggesting the tape showed weakness in al-Qaida and featuring discussions of how the tape reflected weaknesses and divisions among insurgents in Iraq.
newspaperbrat @ 284
indeed!
laurence @ 274
the thing is
judging by the level of venom and sheer spiteful nastiness i’ve seen on other sites,with discussions prevented and waylaid,i suspect an awful lot of malicious comment doesn’t make it past the mods.what we see here,with the discourse humming along,is,i surmise,the result of judicious selection.
well done mods.
if the mods get a little twitchy every now and then,there is no real harm done.
allowing ones self to be characterised as a puppy dog and following orders not to make calls to your congress people,is harm done.
Oh damn – my mighty little mini-Mac seems to have melted down at 287 and I’ll scoot off and hope I haven’t created too much chaos for all you fine pups. If I only had a brain. :~(
laurence @ 66
What’s up?? These are all very good people.
There was a bit of tension regarding I/P matters yesterday afternoon. IIRC, Kathleen and Oddmommy were involved but not Mitch. I can’t find any evidence of anything since then. What am I missing?
laurence @ 272
hmm. Obscenity can be allowed if it’s not violent but just plain expletive use. I’ve yet to see my own posts with swearing censored. As for those other words? The gambling and the drugs? Trip off spam issues, the others? Bring on trolls. If you’d stay here long enough and quit bitching about it, or asked politely? Maybe you would have an answer about those. The mods make it abundantly clear about those things.
Nite everyone… see ya all tomorrow
I’ll be 90 in 60 years. *grins* But i’m already working on my move to canada, but that was a goal long before this Maladministration came into power. But while i’m here, i’m working to change it. If only for the other part of my family that remains here in the US.
may @ 291
I want to second that opinion. The mods generally do an excellent job, and it is only their diligence that allows discussion of sensitive matters, e.g., the I/P issue, to remain even slightly cogent.
Sorry, Laurence, I’m on the mods’ side, here. This site is a community, as opposed to the bitchfests found in other places. The mods work real hard to help keep us a community. They, and the folks who pay out cash to keep the site going, have a right to impose limits. Would you let folks come in and trash your house that you paid the bills for? Would you allow them to diss on you for imposing limits on their behavior in your house?
aliasofwestgate @ 293
I’ve been here longer than you have. Get a f****g clue before you engage in incoherent lectures.
[RBG Note; that’s it for the night. Hope cooler heads prevail in the morning.]
newspaperbrat @ 292
Wait np brat!
Nite, Katy! May and Alias, the mods are superb here at the Lake! Some of the venom and hyperbole that is espoused at some of the other ‘Liberal’ sites is seriously disheartening, it reminds me of a circular firing squad!
peanutbutter @ 268
And thanks for the post-tip!
laurence @ 299
FWIW, I’ve found it impossible to have a coherent online discussion of matters involving the I/P issue on unmoderated sites. I’m very grateful to FDL moderators for making such discussions possible.
wigwam @ 298
I/P protocol?
evening pups. A quick question and a comment:
How does one post in script? I’ve figured out bold but can’t figure script.
Anyone interested in the National Guard questions last night might want to check out a fascinating very late post on the Late Late thread by cinnamonape. He describes the history and various uses of the guard through the years. Couldn’t really answer the question re: whether the states could quit maintaining a guard, but pointed in the right direction.
punaise @ 304
That’d be “IP”. “I/P” is filter-thwarting code for “Israel/Palestine.”
punaise @ 302
Israel/Palestine, but, wigwam, we’ve had some doozies here too…!
SunnyNobility @ 300
if you mean italics, highlight the text and click the little slanty ‘I’ button atop the editing box.
SunnyNobility @ 305
The little box with the I in it, next to the B for Bold box, stands for italic.
punaise @ 308
But…do you adjust track lighting?
punaise @ 306
Hmmm… Learn something new everyday, if you’re not careful! Mahalo!
RBG @ 305
LOL, an oldie but a goody…
(only low voltage, by the way)
CTuttle @ 307
Yes, but we’ve had some excellent ones on very heated topics, especially stuff involving the middle east. There are other sites where such discussions inevitably and immediately degenerate into a food fight.
CTuttle @ 306
lean something new…
punaise @ 307
I did indeed mean italics. Thanks for both figuring out what I meant to say and answering it. merci
come to think of it, “I/P protocol” inadvertently skates a little to closely to the infamous Protocols of Zi*n.
wigwam @ 311
True, at DU on the World Series thread it got ugly… and it wasn’t even about the game…!
SunnyNobility @ 310
de rien!
back online for a few minutes, here’s my artsy input *g*
italics slant, script is actually connected cursive. Believe me, you don’t want that in comments. Due to the nature of our little pixel friends (too tired to give long art lecture, pups breathe sigh of releif) in short, non-serif fonts like we use in comments are much more readable than serif fonts, slanting the non-serifs is ok, but going to a true cursive at small size – it would be unreadable. Looks great in print tho if you don’t have to read too much at a time (i.e., cards, invitations).
if ya want the long tech explaination, ask tomorrow *g*
when you purport to host a “community,” it is quite appropriate to have rules about what behavior will and will not be tolerated, if they are clearly articulated and consistently applied. However, when no rules have been violated, and participation is prohibited nonetheless, it is no longer a “community.” It is a place where certain opinions are acceptable and some are not.
This is your place, FDL owner(s), and it is your prerogative to make it one where certain opinions are not tolerated even if they don’t violate your rules. However, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t pretend to be a place where disagreement can be freely maintained as long as it is civil……and then say that disagreement won’t be tolerated if an Honored Guest is visiting, no matter how civilly it is expressed. And you can’t have front page dignitaries engaging in direct attacks on third party public figures — which goes on here ALL the fucking time — and then get all huffy when some lowly commenter dares to challenge some other front page public figure who happens to have curried your favor at the moment. Or you theirs — whatever.
The point is, don’t be fucking hypocrites. To quote a popular commenter, “this is not a difficult concept.”
shorter ndf: “I shot the serif”
Wow, what a response! Y’all are the best.
merci, merci, merci!
punaise @ 318
*groan*
punaise @ 320
bwahaha! (snorts tea onto keyboard) Mind if i steal that? I can imagine the response when i sing that at appropriate moment in some future art dept mtg
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 318
all yours, my only regret is not having the trade lingo to come up with something to finish it off:
but I did not shoot the deputy
or
but I swear it was in self-defense
run with it!
bedcats are giving me that look, g’night pups!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 323
Nite, NDFG!
I’m out too – good night all
tell em it was in self de-fonts
g’nite all
Suzanne @ 323
but of course….
(hanging head in shame at missing that one)
punaise @ 325
Nite, Pun! I shall also bid a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!
punaise @ 324
hmmm, cats have to wait when i have highly tech questions. I can give you some lingo, lessee, the main part of any text is the body copy, the imaginary line that the type rests on is the baseline, things below like the tail on a y is a descender, anything above midline such as bar in b or d is ascender, probably can remember some more tomorrow. Go fer it!
Dear RBG -
I don’t mean to prolong whatever discord seems to have sprung up in recent threads (or this one) so please forgive my asking a question…and understand if your bold means absolutely no further discussion.
I lurk a lot but fail to catch up on some threads as they have become more frequent and longer over the years. Tonight is the first time the name “laurence” has hit my radar screen. The last comment at 11:38 has all the earsmarks of a troll and not an FDL regular or newcomer.
Just asking. ;-)
Ha! good ‘un, suze! you rule! (bad typographer pun there … )
punaise @ 304
snort alert!
(ouch)
boo. my underline under rule disappeared, ruining my visual pun. Phoeey, bedcats, here i come. Nite owl pups!
punaise @ 330
Point to Suzanne.
And with that, I bid you all adieu on this cranky full-moon nite. Hoping for better moods all around tomorrow!
(( mods ))
g’nite pun, ndfg and kitty, ct, suz, tsf…
sleep well, pups
Have to share a watertiger before I toddle off….
punaise @ 204
Tough school. Using waterboarding to make you learn Greek sounds awful.
Waccamaw @ 333
I don’t think it was trolling. He (and others) seem to be pissed off about something concrete that happened in the past 36 hours. I did a bit of hunting but couldn’t find it.
Yesterday sometime around mid-day there was a somewhat tense interchange involving Kathleen and a few others, but it seemed to end quite congenially.
oddmommy @ 320
oddmommy – I am one of the commenters who may have angered you this evening. If that is so, let me just say that I intended no slam on your opinion about the Supremes and the law.
Last night, i listened again to Senator Specter questioning Gonzales about his willingness to allow the Executive branch order a federal judge not to consider whether the Presidents use of executive privilege was lawful. Gonzales declined to answer, and as we know, the judge did just that. This was the substance of my reply.
As to the moderation practices here:
tonight, I’ve been called a starfucker, presumably because I admire and responded to Ms. Wolf. I’m no gentle flower, but one of the things I like about FDL is that we don’t call each other names here. If that isn’t within the purview of the mods, I don’t know what is.
I wouldn’t come here and direct fire on another pup, as I would hope no one else would. These folks take this seriously I think, and it is their house we’re visiting.
Please come back with this in mind – I would object if someone referred to you this way, and I’m sure FDL would also.
Waccamaw @ 333
All of the mods try, very very hard, to let the conversation go where it may. Usually, a gentle nudge will keep things from getting too far afield. Sometimes, that is just not sufficient to keep the thread from completely devolving…as happened this evening.
I will not speak to Laurence’s previous commenting history but the decision was made tonight to let his words in this thread speak for themselves.
Jeez. I wasn’t even mad, i was just making a point that the Mods have a job here to do to keep this place from falling into flame wars and whatnot. It was the other one that was flying off the handle.
I like and respect the job the Mods do. It’s what makes this place worth returning to, besides the entire community dynamic. The other was acting like they’d never heard the basic rules of conduct here. I’m still not mad. *shrugs* Just puzzled at the sheer venom from that poster in general. Something i can never really understand.
RBG @ 12:50 -
his words in this thread speak for themselves
They do indeed….and not well. *g*
And because it can’t be said often enough, I value greatly everything {{{you and the other mods}}} do to keep this place on a comparatively even keel. It’s one of the major factors that keeps me coming back.
wigwam @ 341
Wigwam-
This is of interest. The one and only pow wow weighs in.
Whats an i/p matter come to think of it I want an fdl dictionary
American author visiting Chile has a few comments on bush; you will appreciate the poem used in closing:
http://www.tcgnews.com/santiag…..opic_id=15
Assume he was already on the “watch list”; the question being now whether he will find his passport invalid upon attempted in-country return.
Newtonsur@346 is Kathleen really gone? I Iiked her sure she harped on Israel alot I thought she should have said right wing Israelis much like I hope my foreign relatives don’t call Republicans and Americans by the same name.
Still am I next? I mean I’m always attacking Pakistan and Saudia Arabia
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Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I jest stopped in and reviewed the earlier subnuclear perimeter attacks from “oddmommy” and “laurence”…both of these folks have been around recently and represent a more sophisticated generation of fascist troll. Both these folks are A*P*C-neocon plants who I’m sure are plugged inta Horrorwitz’s network of agent provacateurs. I think the mods should keep an eye on these folks and don’t be afraid ta summarily nuke ‘em when they drop their shit too close ta human habitation.
KEEP THE FAITH AND GET THAT SHIT OUTTA OUR YARD HERE!!
punaise @ 325
Oh another Raster with justification.
*pours gasoline on fire*
Re: whether the AG is the “law of the land” –Two AGs have permitted torture on their watch and the USSC has not ruled on the issue. That means that the AG is functionally indeed the “law of the land” unless and until the USSC overrules the AG because, unless one has had his and/or her head up the ass, torture happens and the Supreme Court hasn’t said “stop”.
We all had civics classes about the USSC’s decisions being the final ones, except if one really thinks about it, Congress could overturn ANY supreme court decision by either writing legislation (which could be vetoed by the president) or initiating the process to amend the constitution. So who really is the “law of the land?” That is why Bush v. Gore was such a legal mess because it had no constitutional remedy.
IOW, relentlessly demanding that commenters on a blog agree the the AG is not the “law of the land” is pedantically argumentative.
Secondly, free speech is not unlimited speech. An employee is not free to say anything he or she wishes to in the workplace.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 350
After scanning some of the prior threads, especially the one where Naomi Wolf was guest, I have to agree that with you.
Maggie @ 352
I’ve seen this tactic before, i.e., that of derailing discourse that threatens to be constructive by picking nits.
oddmommy @ 320
And just for the record…you weren’t banned.
Tucker Carlson was complaining today about the Blogs being intolerant and McCarthyesque where you have to agree to one opinion and there no legitamete debate.
You don’t suppose he’s trolling here?
Things Come Undone @ 356
Check under some of the big rocks on the far side of the Lake; one of them should be large enough of accomodate the “bowtie”.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 350
Agent Provocatuers generally act like family, and then go one step beyond. Their goal is to expose a group to trouble or foment disarray by trying to establish ever tighter “ideological badges” of membership.
Trolls drop “bombs”…they don’t try to calm waters.
Things Come Undone @ 349
I hope that Kathleen returns. BTW, is this the Kathleen of whom we’re speaking?
I have given up on ‘Crooks and Liars’ because of the deleting of posts there (and I don’t think I am the only one as the number of comments there has really dropped off). Am I the only one who has experienced this? Is this going on over there by the people in charge or is it just a rogue element over there? I ask here as this blog gets linked to quite often from there.
I don’t like getting edited or deleted, especially without cause, and if I am edited or deleted (as is their right as it’s their blog), I will not go there at all as is my right.
Anyway, there is a really good documentary on the Sundance channel called ‘Energy Wars’ which really does a good job of explaining how the world’s current energy crisis is affecting the world.
Waccamaw @ 357
Great Tucker is probably trying to cause trouble here.
When the Mclaughlin Group mentioned Amy Winehouse when they talked about celeberity rehab I knew they were reading Trex at late night.
I’m not 100% sure about Tucker and really don’t want to watch his show tommarow for tells.
But I don’t believe in coincidence or that Tucker has any loyal viewers unlike Rush who on his say so would bother to hassle us.
Smack_dab @ 360
I’ve never had mine deleted anywhere, but mine get held for moderation from time to time. And it’s fun to try to guess why, since most of mine are not so very controversial.
Exactly! *laughs* That’s how i take it too. If it ends up held for a bit i figure it’s for some odd reason that i have no clue on. Otherwise the basic guidelines are pretty easy to follow and for good reason. Unmoderated debate can turn into nothing but a free for all and feeding frenzy for trolls. Not a good experience.
jeebus – almost a year’s worth of comments?
( a comment today keeps the ….)
kirk murphy @ 364
Thanks for the excellent article on the SoCal fires, etc.
thanks, wigwam…thanks for looking at it!
I drank so much tea writing it I can’t sleep… :)
kirk murphy @ 364
Dude, that was quite a post earlier. Nice work.
kirk murphy @ 366
Few things are less pleasant than a caffeine high. ;-)
Time to get some sleep. G’nite all.
nite wigwam
wigwam @ 368
Or less necessary, sometimes.
Good morning (lookit the MOON!) in a windy and partly cloudy (but still Fabulous)Blue Ridge GA.
thanks, newton – too much xanthine :)
OK – if y’all were young adults in the 70’s…
I never got the whole recreational (illegal) stimulant drug thing.
Everyone standing around, kinda twitchy, talking over each other, never going to eat.
People pay so they can feel like that?
I’d rather make a lunch and go hiking….
g’nite wigwam. sleep well
(
bastard) *g*Yo Teddy when does the late late night thread start I know that I up early for me at least but I thought you started earlier?
Good morning, Mr. Bill!
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Citizen Cinnamonape and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Good point…I agree with the distinction between troll and agent provacateur and those two are definately trolls. We seem ta attract a higher class of “intellectual brownshirt” lately…more from the William Buckly new school of fascist psuedo intellectual.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LOSE YER SHIT DETECTORS!!
kirk -
Did you see this article describing the situation in the burned out Cal community that’s trying to keep bw from setting up their new complex?
http://www.calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4175
snippet:
Brian Bonfiglio, vice president of Blackwater West, said Blackwater remains determined to build its planned facility despite the wildfire’s devastation. Those plans include 11 firing ranges for small and large caliber weapons, an emergency vehicular training track, bunkhouses for 200 trainees, additional training facilities and a large armory to stockpile ammunition.
“I see a tactical operation center for East County fires,” said Bonfiglio, noting that Blackwater’s proposal includes water tanks capable of holding 35,000 gallons. “Can you imagine how much of a benefit it would be if we were operational now?”
Depends on one’s definition of “benefit”, doesn’t it?
Personally, I don’t consider some huge stockpile of ammo a bennie; but then what can I say as I sit some 30 miles from probably one of the larger stockpiles of military boom-booms anywhere. :-(
NorskeFlamethrower @ 376
Higher class troll hmm Tucker!
Morning Kirk M., Waccamaw, et al.
WaPo sez Mukasey’s Nomination has run into trouble, but after the Senate put that bastard Southwick on the Federal Bench, I don’t have too much hope…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02003.html
Hi, MR. Bill -
Can’t remember if I got around to asking you yesterday or if you had headed off to work before I had a chance. Apologies if a repeat.
Anyway, looking at the map…you’re further from Aville than I realized but do you have any interest in a firepup meet-up there sometime early winter?
jeepers, Waccamaw – what great neighbors :{
I can’t see why the locals are being so difficult.
And sorry abou your local arms dump – yikes
Mr Bill – you sure seem familiair….
it may be deja vu, but I have a feeling someone in Manhattan named Lorne is not your friend…
Sure, it’s some 2.5 hrs and i actually have friends who’d like to see me…
kirk murphy @ 382
heh, I’ve been called Mr. Bill since Saturday nite live had the hapless clay dude on…
oooooh nooooo
And yes, they are being mean to me…
goood night pups,,,,
going off to test the xanthine level…..
wigwam @ 341
It was the last post with Naomi Wolf, I believe. Somewhat is summarized in the last EPU’d posts. I think that laurence has just forgotten that the are some terms of “agreement” for posting on this site…and that it’s pretty clear there are moderators.
So it’s not an “everything goes” site. The purpose, as stated by Jane, is to develop a “community” of activists aware about a variety of issues of import and to communicate and build lines of activity and support for one another. That’s HER VISION.
If anyone, including myself, gets over enthusiastic and starts to disrupt that vision, they can be upbraided (as I HAVE been, and will likely have occur in the future) and asked to revise a statement that is in moderation. Believe me, THAT has saved me from looking like an idiot or jerk on more than one occasion. Sometimes they have resulted in me clarifying what I actually meant so that it was much clearer and less offensive. I likely won over more people to my position than if my original aggro post remained.
Jane isn’t a government. Just as a record label like Jello Biafra’s Alternative Tentacles Records can make judgements as to what bands and political perspectives and genres they want to put on their label…Jane has the right (YES…the RIGHT) to do the same on her site. Jello would never offer up his label and resources to right-wing skin-head Neo-Nazis.
Any progressive blog wouldn’t allow Neo-Cons to take over the site through the assertion of their “free speech”. They’d be suckers to allow it. Certainly there are some public venues where they, and anyone, have freedom of expression, largely without constraint. But this is, and shouldn’t be IMHO, one of those sites which devolves into mutual name-calling and personal or collective insults of those that use it. Jane has the right to keep her vision. And people that can’t work within that vision can temporarily restrain their remarks or seek other places to scream about being “censored”.
“flights of angels sing thee to thy rest” Kirk m
Waccamaw, the only downside to A’ville in the winter is that it will actually snow there.
Some how it was always bad traveling when I had a meeting there in winter.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 376
Well I wasn’t referring to any particular individual. Sometimes people become set in their positions and won’t let go (which is their right) despite someones countervailing arguments. Then they launch a personal attack, sometimes without even realizing it.
There was a word used that was likely to trigger problems when used against another because if one didn’t know the definition (which was offensive itself IMO) it would be considered a obscene attack on one character. Most folks wouldn’t know the slang definition of the word.
Thus language has to be judged by the speaker in that regard as to context. The mods are there to help point this stuff out.
Certainly putting something into moderation at the very end of a threads life wouldn’t allow some people to see that comment. But the same process would happen earlier. It’s not as if the mod and the next contributor are conspiring, or something!
NorskeFlamethrower @ 376
bulldust detection yairs
there definitely is,in my opinion,
what i call the “conservative cadre”
whose aim is to stop cold any and all communication between people who would not normally have anything to do with one another.
they have an extensive array of techniques.from outright personal abuse to sophisticated doublespeak and
everything in between,their aim is to make each and every one of us feel isolated,weak and helpless.in your country the more people they can pursuade to cease voting the better,the more they can induce to walk away from political and social interaction the better.they are ,as far as i can see,a very small international group whose influence depends not so much on money as on secrecy.(tin foil hat here)they are losing influence because the communication revolution has taken away their greatest asset,
which is the rapid dissemination of information.they are fighting for what they see as their rightful place in the scheme of things.they are not capitalist or communists or of any ideological bent but will use any ideology where and whenever they serve their purpose.the greatest hope they have for survival is to remain unknown.it is too late for that.
end of rant.
MR. Bill -
Wizard! Snowbird and I have been battin’ the idea around for months now; I know how to get hold of the two of you because you are underlined but other pups on my informal list are gonna require more work for easy contact.
Let me state upfront: I. do. not. do. facebook! Will have to ask if Jane and Christy have any problems with highjacking threads from time to time for that purpose.
P.S. – Re. the snow….was thinking early January. After all the hols but before much likelihood of the white stuff. And the way the weather is going, who knows if we’ll get any at all. Plus set up a snow date from the get-go.
waccamaw, alexander AT ellijay DOT com
email me and I’ll send you a pic of my artwork.
(that may in fact be a disincentive..)
[Mod note: email addy edited by mod]
MR. Bill -
Liked the things from the site you mentioned the other day…..got some other pix?
cinnamonape @ 388
Nicely put, cinnamonape.
This is sometimes difficult, but always rewarding work. It is the community in the end who bring a larger perspective and make sense of an evening that simply fell victim to strains of the day.
Bravo, brava community.
Waccamaw @ 394
Hell yeah. My late wife, in one of her periodic fits of madness, destroyed a lot of images, but i’ve got a selection, mostly the large scale commission stuff, on disk.
MR. Bill -
Let me know what format they’re in and I’ll check with my ‘puter guru next week to find out whether I will be able to access them. Ran into this problem with some images a relative sent me a while back so have learned that’s a question that needs to be raised.
The Lurking Mod @ 395
I’ve only had a few comments held or deleted on other sites, and that is usually because I had included a link or something. And once Amada Marcotte called me a troll: the link I had tried to embed had caused the comment post to go to moderation. When I emailed to see if this was a problem, she said “You are whining about censorship, troll”. I apologized, and said “Its yer blog, run it as you will, and give the abuse you’ve taken” (this during the height of the Donohue/Edwards firestorm)”you have the right and duty to be suspicious and vigilant”, and she relented.
There is an interesting discussion up at Crookedtimber.org on censorship of ‘hate speech’. One commentor said it revealed more about the obsessions of the posters than about free speech.
Waccamaw @ 397
They appear to be bitmap images.
although now I see a couple of GIFs.
hate speech in and of itself does seem to act as a form of censorship, in that it results in truncated discussion.reasonable people just leave in disgust.
Good Morning, Firepups!
It’s drizzly and cool here in central Jersey this morning. We’ve got a bit more rain coming today, tonight, and tomorrow, then we finally get to have some normal-for-the-season temperatures [we’ve been having an extended summer this fall]. I might be able to wear some long-sleeved shirts for a change!
Haven’t been able to do much more than occasional lurking here at the ‘Lake lately—busy at work, busy at life right now.
Be kind to one another.
Work for peace, every day.
[Here’s the place to go for more information about Fall Out for Peace demonstrations in 11 cities nationwide tomorrow. Mr. NJP and I have lots of friends and neighbors who will be going, but we have some house chores to catch up on.]
Ok Good morning may and NJprog and cape and all.
Give my regards to MarioninSavannah, and work for peace.
I gotta got start replacing the floor in a cabin…
1,637 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I jest looked downstream and caught some a “oddmommy” and “laurence” firin’ tracers at the Firepups…I’m am SOOOO sorry I missed it! I had a bit a fun with the progenitor of these two, “Big Mitch”, and had a bundle a fun runnin’ his gobblin ass thru the grease. Both “oddmommy” and “laurence” have been runnin’[ probs on the FDL perimeter for awhile, and they always try and go after the Moderators ‘cuz they know none a the regular Firpups’ll put up with their shit.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER!!
And look at the moon, and autumn leaves if you got ‘em. Dispite the drought, they are great here…
later pups.
nite… morning Mr. Bill
MR. Bill -
Making myself a note of the ones you mention.
may -
reasonable people just leave in disgust.
True, that.
When it happens (infrequently, thank Dog) at the Lake, I just go away and hope for “calmer water” on some later thread. Don’t know that I would label myself “reasonable” *g*; it’s just a form of self-preservation in the world as we know it.
damn, chatty this morning
Waccamaw @ 408
well by reasonable i mean not dishing out more than i,m prepared to put up with myself.
lot of latitude there.
a while ago i let out an almighty screech on the subject of religion and had Suzanne call time.
oh well.
Good morning all. may @ 402
This is an excellent point. Thanks MODS, you do a great job.
JPL @ 411
Thank you. And you are welcome. It is a great job.
may @ 402
It censors the Cerebral Cortex…and the Reptilian Limbic System Wins!
Good morning, pups. Today it’s Bobo and Krugman in the Times. Bobo’s solved his midlife memory crisis by getting a car with a GPS system, or something like that. Who cares? Mr. Krugman says that the subprime disaster should serve to remind us what Federal regulations are for.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits just came out of the oven. It’s Friday, and it’s raining outside. Life is good!
Good morning!
cinnamonape, I heard you wrote something really good about the history of the Guard. Do you have a link or remember what thread that was in? Thanks.
morning!
Speaking about hate.
Those Christian Conservatives just don’t know what to do with Mitch Romney. Does he belong to a CULT? A Fourth Abramamic Religion like ISLAM? Or is he in a deceived heretical sect of polytheists? Do Mormons believe they become Gods when the attain Heaven?
Here is what big poobah of Southern Baptists, Richard Land, has to say on the subject.
“A cult is a form of faith which does not comply with the essential teachings of the Christian faith but claims to be within the Christian faith or to be the true expression of the Christian faith, as opposed to being another religion like Judaism.”
Hmm. Given that Land doesn’t think that Mormonism follows the essential teachings and asserts it IS within the Christian Faith…one would think it is a CULT.
But, in typical muddle-headedness he doesn’t think that at all.
Land explained that he would look at Mormonism
“as another faith in the same sense that I would look upon Islam as another faith.”
Hmmmm. But the Muslims don’t assert that they ARE Christian, nor would they disagree with anyone saying that they don’t agree with the fundamental tenets of Christianity (at least not in it’s modern form).
I think the fairest and most charitable way to define Mormonism would be to call it the fourth Abrahamic religion – Judaism being the first, Christianity being the second, Islam being the third, and Mormonism being the fourth. And Joseph Smith would play the same character in Mormonism that Muhammad plays in Islam.”
But fundamental Christians don’t believe that any of these other faiths are reasonable either. And Judaism? Recall what Ann Coulter recently said about them. It’s almost as if she believes that Jews are “immature Christians” that need to accept their error and convert. As to Muslims, most fundamentalists are utterly antogonistic to the idea that Mohammed received any sort of revelation. Some regard him as hearing “devils”.
So don’t think that by asserting that Mormonism is one of the four Abrahamic faiths makes Romney any more attractive as a Presidential Candidate to fundamentalists. At least anymore than they would vote for a Muslim.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2…..Zo3dXAF4l4
Good Morning!
After reading the late nite posts, it’s not disagreement of an idea or offering an alternate view that I object to. It’s the fixation on one view, without taking other views into consideration, and then acting like a victim. Reasonable people can disagree but reasonable people seldom blame and use hate words to end the discussion. When it gets to that level, I appreciate the mods stepping in and taking control. Last night I didn’t lurk for long because of the World Series and my love of the Red Sox might not be reasonable. not
any one ever categorised the types?
trollspeak 1…personal attack
trollspeak 2…political attack
trollspeak 3…racial attack
trollspeak 4…distorted fact
trollspeak 5…backhanded compliment
there could be sub categories
and named plays
ie: the reverse malkin(first identified by the estimable Trex)
very handy for satirists and comedians
and beginning moderators
(moderation 101-elementary level)
Good morning firepups.
Are the cooler heads prevailing yet?
Morning, folks. Looking forward to everyone taking a nice deep breath and making the decision to enjoy the day.
Upstate New York weather: chilly, winds calm, no frost on the windshield.
FDL weather: chilly at the moment, but warming (we hope)*g*
Toby Wollin @ 423
Marion, made biscuits this morning so just the thought of biscuits coming out of the oven warms the spirit. Did you glance at late night comments?
may @ 421
Love it! With all her named dives, sounds like something Suz could tune to a fine art.