All right: Blackwater and other contractors have four BILLION dollars in US funds and, the New York Times reports today, almost no oversight in Iraq; wildfires are consuming acres of Southern California and many counties have been declared to be in a state of emergency — and nothing at all but a whisper of popular opposition and a prayer — nothing legal — would prevent Bush today from declaring that the National Guard is overstretched and that it is Blackwater’s torturers and murderers, recruited from Salvadoran, Ecuadoran and Nigerian paramilitaries, who will be `maintaining order’ in the `public emergency’ that is Southern California; and Mukasey has informed Congress that he has no idea what waterboarding is — which professed cluelessness alone should disqualify him from service — and that the President does not actually need to obey the law of the United States of America — which alone should alert us that if he is confirmed the game is over. Once Congress confirms someone to decide the law of the land who holds that the President is exempt from the law of the land (which assertion was, notably, an historic tipping point when Hitler asked his Reichstag to confirm a similar position about his powers in regard to the law and the constitution) it is open season on all of us.
It is time to take to the streets.
Many of you have asked about a national strike. This is the next step in a democracy movement. We need to hold monthly strikes — a word that is too scary for some, and we want to be inclusive, so rather we will urge people of all walks of life to participate in mass-action Constitution Days.
What will we do — in our millions, hopefully, we will Sit Down for the Constitution in the most public space in our communities. The seated mass citizen action is more effective now than a march; less cause for confrontation, more family-friendly, you can gather more people for a longer time and it can be more of a community affirmation of American values and the Rule of Law. Daniel Ellsberg, whom I had the honor of meeting last week in Berkeley, along with his brave and beautiful wife Patricia, reminded me that it took only three days of a widely observed National Moratorium to strike a real blow to the war in the Vietnam.
We propose that local citizens organize these Constitution Days once a month, on the 6th, starting Nov. 6 (before or after you vote). We suggest that those who can refrain from going to work or to school — use the time to be with your fellow citizens at the event or reading about democracy and sharing those ideals with your friends and neighbors. Those who can’t leave work, come for lunch hour. If millions join the nation will react, and even if the first few are small, we must begin. You guys have to organize these locally — we can’t. But that is powerful. Here is how to proceed:
The Liberty Kit for Constitution Days: Assemble a Powerful `Sit Down For the Constitution’ Citizen Action November 6 and Monthly Thereafter
1. Locally, a volunteer should set up a website announcing the time (start at noon, stay till five; you will have most visitors between twelve and two). The place should be the steps of the Town Hall or the most obvious civic space (in Chicago for instance everyone said Fenwick Park). Send a press kit to all local media outlets — you can get the resources in the library or online. If you don’t get coverage you can write to local advertisers of your local news and newspapers — cc the ad department of the media outlets — that you will stop buying their products and will urge others to do so as well unless they encourage local media to cover this local important news. Barbara Martinez who started at sitdownfortheconstitution.org provides a central space — send an email to the site after you event so we can get an accurate nationwide count of participants.
2. Ask all to wear red, white or blue t shirts or sweaters and dark slacks. A strong visual is more likely to get wide press coverage and a good color photo on the cover of a news section of local news. It is an even better visual if you arrange people into red, white and blue sections. That will inspire wide angle shots from a higher position. Protests from progressives always seem visually disorderly — making coverage less likely — and a visually orderly, peaceful set of groups also makes it harder for police to crack down violently on protesters after accusing them of misconduct.
3. Have people bring uniformly sized US flags — tell them a good local or internet source — or buy a lot and sell them there. It reinforces that this is pure support for the American system, not partisanship. (And it is a bad media image to taser people supporting the flag.) We want to send a clear message that this is above all a patriotic, transpartisan action on behalf of our fournders’ vision. People should not wave the small ones, but rather good-sized ones that will blow in the breeze (again, visuals and media attention) — 2×3 at least. Signs should be in red, white and blue and uniform: `Moms for the Constitution’, `Vets for the Bill of Rights’ `Teachers for Liberty’; `Americans Don’t Torture’ `The Constitution Keeps us Safe’ `Stand Up for the Founders’. Important are: `Independents for the Constitution’ `Swing Voters for the Constitution’ and `Republicans for the Constitution’ and `No President is Above the Law’. Signs should NOT address unrelated issues — veganism, Palestine or Israel, patriarchy — the left tends to let a chaos of messages dilute the force and inclusiveness of one strong message. The civil rights marches were always disciplined in focusing only on civil rights, for instance.
4. Encourage soldiers and vets to sit down for the Constitution in uniform. Give them the names of good local pro bono lawyers to call if they face reprisals. Publicize the reprisals.
5. Distribute copies of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Let people download them from the website.
6. Have people bring guitars, musical instruments and sing. Let ordinary citizens lead the singing from a microphone. For some mysterious reason, protests swell and move people when there is singing, but depress and dispirit people when there are only speeches or angry chanting. The civil rights movement sang. The contemporary left speechifies. So sing. Create a Constitution Songbook you distribute — with patriotic songs’ words and folk songs (this land is your land) that are widely loved — often protests have some v left band that alienates others not so left — people want to feel included across the political spectrum. Have the words of the Star Spangled Banner, My Country ‘Tis of Thee etc — as well as inspirational songs that are inclusive — in the songbook. It is hard to engage in mass arrests against people singing the national anthem.
7. Have people also bring sleeping bags and folding chairs, food and drink and children. Encourage people to bring food to share informally — it is a community pot luck in honor of Liberty. You can set up folding tables where people bring their food to share across race, class and party lines. People feel disconnected and powerless after random protest meetups. You want to foster community and let people find each other as local patriots and build bonds that make other kinds of action possible.
8. Invite local clergy of all faiths to sit down for the Constitution in their religious garb. Ask local clergy of many faiths to bless the gathering in their many voices from their many different faith traditions, thus reminding us that this is a pluralistic society (and making it hard to dismiss protests as hostile to mainstream values).
9. There can be periods of quiet or people simply playing their own music as an offering to the community during the Sit Down for the Constitution. Have children give five minute talks or read essays of `What America Means to Me.’ Have ONE lawyer who speaks ENGLISH explain every hour on the hour just what the Bill of Rights means to ordinary people. Endless speechifying exhausts people. You are there to be witnesses and to encounter one another as citizens. Have ONE table where local literature about activism is displayed and have people wear name tags that identify them by name and also by resource or skill or organization that they can contribute to saving democracy. Let them find one another. Give priority to vets or military men and women to speak very personally about what liberty and the Bill of Rights means to them — the values they wish to uphold.
10. At the end of the vigil, create a massive circle and light a million candles and ask everyone to take the AFC pledge to protect the Constitution. Say it together: it is powerful to hear the sound of a multiplied voice. Go home in a broad stream holding your candles — another great visual for the cameras. Meet again in a month. If you want to connect before that in a Citizens’ Home Gathering — which many people have asked for — let someone host it in his or her home or in a public space in a restaurant or friendly bookstore/cafe. Take citizen action out of an impersonal space — make citizenship human, face-to-face, easy, supportive and effective. You are Americans.



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Yeah!
Naomi!
Now to read another one.
Wow, Naomi! You must be the surprise that Christy meant!
#10!!!!!!!!
I love this person who says `Naomi!’ It’s nice to talk to you all again. I wonder what you all think? I was so struck by Ellsberg saying this really made a difference — the Moratorium against the Vietnam War — and also so many people have been telling me they don’t feel enough of a sense of community or local empowerment in their activism –
If this is going to work we are going to have to hype this on the blogs constantly to help people remember.
Spotlight this post.
Things Come Undone @ 7
Yes, that is so true. This is just my sketch of what I would like to see but we are all different — does this resonate? Barbara Martinez who put it together suggests `flash mobs’ — you can go to her site to see — as another action — I see the appeal of both. But it does seem as if something big and inclusive is necessary — can progressives feel comfortable with all those flags? I hope so, it makes a difference re both messaging and safety…
But we must keep expectations low this should be referred to as an experiment only to see if we can translate the huge amount of money the netroots have raised into boots on the ground.
We downplay expectations by saying that we are trying to find out what will work to get our base out, because we don’t really know yet what will.
Naomi – It’s so good to see you back in the lake and calling for the missing part of our actions. To the STRIKE!
What an excellent instruction guide. Thank you!
Naomi,
There are so many good writers and posts to celebrate here at the Lake that saying the author’s name is just one of the ways to honor you.
Wow, what an honor to have you here, Naomi.
Tis a wonderful instruction guide you have created for us, thank you.
Things Come Undone @ 10
I totally agree with downplaying expectations but I might suggest framing that as a `beginning’ or a `runup’ to further actions rather than an experiment — what I am finding people feel an absence of is commitment — including the commitment to being willing to look foolish or be uncomfortable in service of a great purpose…I think by reminding people that all the great movements — suffrage, civil rights, gay rights — started with a handful of brave people not afraid to be a small committed group at first in public that will frame expectations well — anything above that small committed group is a plus…
As Brother Springs says
To the STRIKE!
Do you think that the state capitol would be best? Or someplace where more people would see it?
“Strike” is not a 4-letter word.
Suzanne @ 14
But I hope only the beginning of a collective brainstorm about what a mass action should be — I think a lot about a section of Ellsberg’s book Secrets where he said that someone in the civil rights movement told him about Thoreau’s call to `use your whole influence’ — meaning not just a signature, a vote, but your whole self, your whole being — for what you believe — and that led him to risk 120 years in prison to release the Pentagon Papers. And when I hear people talking about what they are missing in activism it is some sense that they are using their whole influence — also a longing to encounter one another face to face — am i wrong? is it just me?
I think it is effective on both the large city and small town levels.
All politics is local and pressure must come from all sides – from the smallest of town to the largest of cities that the American People are Mad As Hell and not gonna take it anymore.
LS @ 18
You are right,strike is not a four letter word. I imagined that we could send out the call, suggestions, a time and date, but encourage people to organize their own version locally — I think Barbara Martinez can coordinate all the local and regional versions — maybe a message board for suggestions like the kind we are brainstorming here — I think the state Capitols or perfect ideas but I would also like to see something in every little town, in shopping malls — an abundance of venues — to remind us that power need not be so centralized…
Pelosi reneges on vow to get hearings on H.J.Res.53, The Constitutional War Powers Act Resolution, after addressing A*PAC.
Pelosi sold out to the devils.
People contemplating such action should be advised beforehand regarding law enforcement and civil liberties issues. What do we do if the police (with or without lawful authorization) order us to disperse? Some people may wish to be arrested but many others undoubtedly will not. “Don’t taze me, bro!” does not appear to offer adequate protection.
Suzanne @ 20
I LOVE THIS. This is exactly right. And a big sign: `IMPEACH. PROSECUTE. SAVE AMERICA.’
I heard someone say his elderly father in law who is totally mainstream now wants to impeach. The tipping point seems to be now and I imagine a national strike or event woudl be a focus for all this emotion –
A strike would be much more effective than a protest, because the opponents are clearly financially driven.
Use the power or the purse, since the Congress won’t. They work for us. We need mass shift in thinking to overcome this.
Strike and Boycott.
the word is……………..
Moratorium
anybody remember ?
LS @ 24
“of” the purse….”a” mass shift… Preview is my friend, but not tonight…
neurophius @ 22
Gos. I can;t believe America has come to this in such a short time — see `freedom of assembly’ in the Constitution. But you are right, one video made us all apprehensive, me too. Any lawyers out there? We have a bunch of them available at the AFC but they are not here right now — this would suggest a park or the steps of the Capitol and a seated action is the best — and hence my focus on patriotic imagery. It is harder to force citizens to disperse if they are in a lawful place and posiing no threat. But there is always the risk of arrest.
Naomi, I saw your interview on BookTv, you were superb! One question tho, why didn’t you refute Diem’s assertion that Shrub was only utilizing the same precedent of firing USAs that Clinton set? It has been normal at the start of a new administration to do so, but, highly unusual(suspect, even) in the middle of an administration to do so! Mahalo!
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 25
They tried that last week…didn’t go anywhere though.
playing devil’s advocate here. What if we do this and they just replace the middle class??
We have to make sure that it’s not just folks that can take the time off. But my gut says that one day of work is too expensive for some folks. It’s a luxury that people who work for wages instead of salary cannot afford. So my fear would be that it’s just the middle class that does this. Some wealthy folks might.
We need something that poor people can participate in. A day off is something they cannot afford to do once a month. Is there a way to do something so that it includes even those in poverty or near poverty??
LS @ 24
Certainly bringing things to a halt nationwide would have power. And YES a mass shift in thinking is exactly right. It will be painful. Re arrests and tasering — think numbers. Democracy movements overwhelm the secret police when there are hundreds of thousands of people out together — they can’t arrest everyone in a nation essentially -0- it is psychological ops too – a way to show that the majority is against them and will turn on them, prosecute THEM in time.
CTuttle @ 28
Thank you! I didn;t answer it because I was totally bluffing at that point — I didn’t know the answer! thank you for gicing it to me. I will remember for next time.
Oh thank you. I firmly believe this is what we need to do.
RAAWWRRR! LET”S DO IT!
Oh wait. This isn’t going to happen on a Sunday, is it? My fantasy football team is in first place and I gotta see the NFL games.
Any other day though, I’m SO taking back America!!!!
Oh yea, and Wednesdays aren’t going to work either. My buddies and I get together for golf and a few brewskis afterwards. Hey, it’s humpday, can ya blame me?!? Every man needs some time away from the missus and kids…what’s the big deal?
As long as we’re not talking Sun or Wed, you can count on me America!
Although Saturday…Hmmm…my alma mater plays then….
(seriously, fantastic to have you here Ms. Wolf!!)
Another important point:
Have as many people as possible wearing business or go to church attire – men in suits and ties, etc.
The more professional we look, the less likely we will be derided as DFH’s.
Elmers Flag and Banner – they have current and historical US flags, in many sizes. I have friends with a Bennington Flag, but the Betsey Ross is easily recognized and has solid historical associations.
Kind of sideways, I had the thought that telecom immunity is not really intended for the protection of the telecoms and their officers.
It’s for the protection of the government officers who told them it was A Good Idea and Patriotic, and who will, if immunity goes through, remain uninvestigated and untried.
Can we say that giving telecoms immunity would make those who vote for it ’soft on crime’?
You are talking about Mukasey here, right?
Not to be overly technical, but it’s the Supreme Court, not the Attorney General, who “decides the law of the land.”
Ms Wolf,
My concern is not that this is not a good idea for I believe it is. Rather my concern is for this to be as effective as we would all like to see I feel strongly that people must have something that they can take away with them from this gathering. Whether it is a pamphlet or a small newspaper or even a newsletter that would list some of the goals and links to local groups and national groups for people to follow up. I also believe that, as the Conservatives proved so effective at doing: creating that mailing list or contact list cannot be underestimated.
To do these things requires that people raise some money and get organized. As much as we love spontaneous actions, the reality is that hardly anything spontaneous is ever as effective as a well-planned event. There must be some sort of hierarchy established and a coordination of interested groups.
And please, I am not ready to let the churches slide on this any longer. For the life of me I cannot understand how the main-stream religions have allowed themselves to be used to support torture, wanton killing, and hate. They must be given a chance to stand up and be counted as well. In the sixties, the church was a strong component of many protests and without the Berrigan Brothers and William Sloan Coffin and others, I doubt that as much could have been accomplished.
(Sorry, I tend to ramble. Good idea, Hope you do not mind my suggestions)
Suzanne @ 36
Great point!
Break out!!!
Thank you, Naomi! This is so inspiring. It is an honor to have you here.
Katie Jensen @ 30
Very important point but now I will play devil’s advocate with you. I have seen so many initiatives on the left come to nothing because of a drive to make it equally available to all. The truth is that a national strike WILL be easier to participate in for the middle and upper middle class but that means we should do that AND think of actions more available to all. But again the great movements set out the call whether it was completely equitable or not and the amaing thing is how all people even the poorest respond when the call is true and driven by committed people — the civil rights movement and Gandhi’s March to the Sea were led by people who were the poorest of the poor in their societies.
I have heard sometimes a kind of paralysis that comes out of this kind of thinking — I am not saying your comment at all but the thinking I am describing above. I have heard people say for instance `why protest the media doesn’t cover it. ‘ When we need a mass shift in consciousness we have to snaop out of the `ideal world’ model as a prerequisite for action. In Eastern Europe in 1989, the state media totally ignored the protesters. But they did not wait for state notice to sanction their reality or their truth.
Suzanne @ 35
THIS IS FABULOUS!! I thought you guys would hate me for saying let us wrap ourselves in the flag but this is BRILLIANT. Suits EXACTLY. Ties EXACTLY.
oddmommy @ 37
In her defense, the OLC of the DoJ decides or rather issues decisions whether it’s legal or not for the Executive to act in certain ways, look at Bybee and Yoo and their torture memos…!
Are people worried about violence? I am kind of worried but I know things only get more violent unless we are out there –
Naomi, the more we look like those we are protesting, the better.
Dig out the Sunday pearls and I would say that the odds of having a nightstick delivered upside the head is significantly reduced.
Great work, Naomi Wolf!
naomi wolf @ 44
it’s time we recaptured the flag imo
CTuttle @ 44
You are quite right, I was not making a direct analogy to Germany. Hitler did ask his Reichstag, his Parliament, to concede these powers to him and yes it is my understanding that the AG defends interpretions of executive powers a la Gonzales.
Katie Jensen @ 31
We are the people!!! “They” cannot “replace” us.
“They work for us”, not us for them.
Shift in thinking. We are only victims if we allow ourselves to be victims. We the People are the majority. When that is realized by the people….get out of our way. We want peace and justice…and we will prevail!
Don’t forget the American Flag lapel pins!
My first reaction when it looked like FISA would be approved with telco immunity was to imagine the message it would send if there is a day when everyone who could canceled their cell phones. What percent of follow-through would it take for this to be noticed? On the whole, would it be more, or less disruptive or expensive than taking a day off of work?
CTuttle @ 45
I take Naomi’s point here. I’m sure she wasn’t suggesting what oddmommy is implying, only that, when the AG can, for instance, prevent district courts from deciding the breadth of executive privilege as a judicial matter, the law is in fact, decided by the AG.
Suzanne @ 46
I think that is true. We shoudl look at images of the civil rights movement — everyone was beautifully dressed, with great dignity. So the nation reacted with horror when there were images of people being beset with dogs and hoses. But the anti war and free speech marchers looked more motley and marginal so there was less revulsion when cops beset them with nightsticks. I am not saying imagery equals outcome and I wasn’t a wardrobe consultant (;)) but I do think that in an electronic age images have great power to affect outcomes…
neurophius @ 52
Constitution pins on SUITS!!
musicsleuth @ 52
That is really interesting thinking. I wish I could do that. Maybe cancel cellphones for a week or some set length of time? that would be kind of a relief! I bet it could make a dent and yes it is something concrete people can do who can’t leave work.
All good points – but wouldn’t it be easier and perhaps even more effective to organize boycotts of the corporations that underwrite the entire neocon agenda?
After all, many well-meaning people that want to see change don’t think twice about spending money at applebees, walmart, home depot, and the companies that bankroll the culture of corruption.
And before people start saying, “but I don’t shop at so-and-so”, lets remember – that’s all fine and dandy. But we need to do it in an organized way and spread the word so that they feel the economic pressure and know where it is coming from.
This might be a better “first step” – not saying your ideas are wrong – perhaps it is time to recognize that the dollars we spend may be the only real “vote” we have that is counted.
I agree. Professional dress. Perhaps we can get matching flags donated?
LS @ 56
Yes, Get yours right here.
We can Stop this crappola. Just Stop it!
since i am not there, my words are just words but, Naomi, i am with you and every other American who is willing.
my only other comments are:
1. Keep It Simple.
2. Do It.
and keep doing it ….
LS @ 55
Do you guys also feel that things are ramping up — ie the TSA taking over the watch list from the airlines, Bush using terms like `Gulag’, I heard about an environmental writer’s girlfriend being detained at the canadian border for three days without being able to contact anyone and another enviornmentalist at the conference I just spoke at was taken OFF THE PLANE by the TSA — do you guys get the feeling as I do that they are ramping up because people are waking up? and it is kind of a race against time on both sides?
The idea is not to recreate Chicago ‘68 but MLK at the Lincoln Memorial.
Apropos? You decide since you’re living it:
Katie Jensen @ 30
how about different times for different people.
evening/just after knock off time,for workers.
late afternoon/just after school,for at home parents.
early/before work(with a coffee) for anyone who can make it.
weekend informal gatherings before and after sporting/entertainment events.
etc.
half an hour at a time is managable for people with busy lives.
a group pledge of alliegence to your constitution, a chat.message delivered and on everybodies mind.
this could be aside and apart from big events.it would also make people more aware that big events are in the offing.AND word of mouth would kick in even more.
also anyone can do it.
just a suggestion
LS @ 30
I was thinking more of the one 30 years ago which basically mobilized a significent percentage of the entire nation-
Hi Naomi!
As one of the ones in the trenches (2 miles from the Santiago fire), I’m trying to imagine the reaction if Bush did as you suggested he could in your post’s first paragraph. I think that could trigger a huge reaction in soCal. People are mad enough at the governor as it is, and if you listened to Garamendi (Dem. Lt Gov) he was basically telling Bush that it was a waste of everyone’s time his coming out here.
The mood here is not good. Thankfully the fires seem to be on their way to containment in most places.
Naomi…I am in …I just would love it if we find a way to include as many people as possible. I have had a few very rough years and was interested in participating but couldn’t afford to participate. Those days are over for me, but I am keenly aware of how isolating poverty is and how it leads to ambivalence. If this movement is to succeed it has to be “more” than movements in the past. If we can find a way to include others especially those in poverty…it will simply be more effective. I know there will be ambivalence from some…but I know there are many in poverty who feel strongly about what is happening. Just so we remember them and help them feel included.
That’s the America I love!!
Yes Naomi more protests to follow is the way to frame it make the GOP nervous make them think that we are practicing for something bigger.
They will assume that we are practicing for the GOP presidential convention…as if they have a chance of winning. As if we would waste our time. As if they were still going to be relevant after the election
But that is how their minds work.
We have to get the protestor numbers up first though. I don’t think we need direct proximity to physical targets like the GOP convention after all who wants to get shot at by Blackwater who I assume will be guarding the GOP in Minnesota.
A peaceful protest that self polices against violent Agent Provocaturs that keeps growing will force a response from the Bushies the waiting is the hardest part. I am worried about the response.
Given their authoritarian tendencies they will assume that we are only waiting to comit violence because thats how their minds work they think the worst of everybody not in the in group.
Infiltraitors should be expected to spy and discredit us so be careful what you say and don’t let infiltraitors discredit us to the press.
You go to the protest you sign on as a are peaceful, respectful, no swearing Concerened Citizen. Any conspircy theories gets you disavowed and photographed with the words possible AP to other peace groups.
It sure would be nice if the Dems could stop the Bushies from spying on peace groups with government funds.
I wonder how many radical statements in the 60’s were the work of Agent Provacutours working to discredit the Peace Movement to the American People?
The 60’s radical Bush fears is in part a creature created by Nixion’s campaign to discredit the movement. Bush has nothing to fear but the lies he and his created and believe in. That is until we get organized!
Suzanne @ 64
Right. A bunch of them.
naomi wolf @ 63
A GAO or GOA or G…somethingerother…woman on Washington Journal stated that 800,000 plus people are already on the no-fly list and that the list has accelerated lately to 20,000 per month….well…what the fuck is that???? Ex..cus…me..WTF????
Oh, yeah. We’re supposed to quit our jobs, take to the streets…what Street would that be? The Lincoln Memorial?
Dream on….
But, get real.
We don’t even have Late Nite.
Just sent this info to family and friends.
Thank you, Ms. Wolf.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 67
I know, I was there then too…times are a changin’..different tactics..
Suzanne @ 63
Denver ‘08, would be a good place and time…
may @ 66
I love this. Very creative thinking and it addresses a lot of the concerns raised re inclusiveity I believe — we could have a kind of Democracy Campsite attended by those who can stay all day or in long shifts but visited by the whole damn town or city! then you get a pin after visiting? and the whole city ends wearing them?
In our small town we hold Sunday peace vigils, every Sunday on the same four corners.I’ve also hosted two No More War rallies in the past 4 months at a city park, with music, food and open mike public speaking.
Here’s my tip. Order your flag from your Representatives using their websites!!! On the form that asks for the “occasion” [ a weird request] I put down ” we will fly this flag in honor of the United States Constitution”. I didn’t mention that we’d be flying it upside down as a symbol of distress. A 3′ by 5′ cotton flag costs $16.50 including shipping and handling. A 5′ by 8′ costs $20 plus shipping.
Shopping flags through Congress is a lot cheaper than paying retail.
demi, no one is asking you to quit your job. just to protest for an afternoon.
neurophius @ 23
This is why the Goddess created:
the National Lawyers Guild
Carl Messineo and Mara Verheyden-Hilliard and the Partnership for Civil Justice
and Katya Komisaruk
If we protest it (lawfully) the NLG or someone they know will most likely coome – if we call them in advance.
There is a whole nation worth of infrastucture for mass protests – medical care, food, legal services, logistics, media – some of the smartest and most capable people I know.
Most of them (us) are voluntarily under-employed so as to be available…
And have been so since Seattle in ‘99 – or before.
We’ve got too much time on our hands.
And we’ve been waiting for you – all of you – to keep us busy.
Come out onto the streets – we’ll be there for you.
Your local indymedia site will help you get the word out.
Come out and play – it’s fun, and we have your backs.
Together, we can take back our Republic.
And most of the time, we’ll have fun doing it.
Please join us.
demi @ 72
demi, that is rather insulting, both to our guest host, and to those of us who are willing to do something to help take back our country.
Cell phone cameras and protesting where there are lots of witness would be a good idea.
Hi Naomi,
I suggested to several friends that they tune in to your debate with Viet Dihn on Book TV recently. Link here.
To a person, we were curious as to why Viet Dihn was selected and by whom? It seemed an odd pairing, considering Dihn’s role in creation of the odious and anti-democratic U.S.A. PATRTIOT Act.
I’m currently about 2/3 of the way through “The End of America”. I’m very, very impressed with your level or research and scholarship regarding the rise of totalitarianism. Your vivid comparisons are enduring, and the book is one of the rare cases where comparisons of the Bush Administration to the rise of Nazism seem to be completely clear-eyed and rational rather than based primarily on emotion.
Thanks for your blog entry here. As an organizer who has gotten over 300 people out on the streets of Bend,OR several times since October, 2002 to protest the immoral and illegal invasion of Iraq, I have one observation to share. My peoople out here are usually quite fired up and enthusiastic when the join us at the designated meeting time. We’ve always found that people are ready to march, and prefer that be the first aspect of any event. We’ve tried rallies with mixes of speeches and music, we’ve tried gatherings with patriotic films after the march. But always, the march is the thing that people seem to remember. For the fourth anniversay protest of the Iraq War, we had an absolutely perfect day, weather wise. And on the march we had a drum corps, plenty of stiltwalkers and affinity groups. It was an outstanding success for our progressive community.
As a final suggestion, I would say that any can and should self-publish their event to an IndyMedia Center. Not to toot our horn too loud, but our self-published article caught the eye of the editors of Portland IndyMedia, one of the most active on the planet, and elevated us to the front page. We were so happy to add an element of good-natured fun to counter all the bad news we get all to often of police attacks upon our brothers and sisters in larger cities.
Sorry to be so long-winded. Hope you don’t mind.
Best regards, Ray
naomi wolf @ 63
Yes – it’s been heating up for over a decade, with the most rapid heating (as with our planet) the last few years.
openhope @ 78
Fabulous. Things Come Undone @ 82
This is a great suggestion as is the one about cameras. Document the documenters. Then have the ACLU handy to start the lawsuits against abusers. Can you please send these to Barbara as well? I did not know about the source for flags. And people could fly flags from their cars if they can’t stop! Now I am getting excited.
I would love to have the evening turn up at least three suggestions of good locations in at least three different cities or towns. Any volunteers?
and to those of us who are willing to do something to help take back our country.
Who is being insulting now?
You never back down. Never.
Go on.
Are you kidding me?
naomi wolf @ 63
Yes.
Things Come Undone @ 82
In Chicago, I diffused a situation between some protesters and the McCormick Place security just by sitting nearby and photographing and videotaping the entire situation.
Ray Duray @ 83
This is VERY IMPORTANT, thank you so much for sending it in. We are out of practice with democracy and need to be reminded of what works! Each destination can incorporate the elements that work for them and it is good to know what has stirred people up in Bend! And if you can get 300 people marching in beautiful Bend where they could be skiing you are obviously doing what works. And it sounds as if you and the earlier commentator are agreeing that making it a pleasure to be there helps…
Glass of wine.
Hot bath.
Soft music.
Turn off computer.
demi @ 85
demi, i know that folks are really stressed, especially those folks down in so cal such as yourself who are living the horrors that you are dealing with 24/7.
Still, insulting comments such as your original comment serve no purpose other than to be defeatist.
Night Newton.
TexBetsy @ 92
Not for me Betsy. I’m here for the evening.
Was once a useful Website, buyblue.org, that documented the political contributions of right wing corporations to the neocon political machine. The could not get support – even among the self-proclaimed liberal superblogs.
Remember, much of the changes created by the the civil rights and labor movements were accomplished by the economic pressures and not massive rallies. In fact, without the economic boycotts and fears of economic losses, there is no saying that some of the mass rallies would even have happened, much less been effective.
They are gone now, but have announced they are coming back – if the “advertise liberally” crowd and superblogs would not support (and they actually flamed and banned) economic boycotts, what makes anyone think that we can pull something as ambitions as these ideas off?
Starting with something that will send a message and get people active and involved in a meaningful by taking simple actions would be an important start – after all – how hard is it to stop buying crap most of us don’t need anyhow?
The problem, Naomi, is waiting for leadership to appear to make big ideas happen is not really an option – leadership needs to emerge.
MLK did not just show up in the 60’s as a great leader – he “paid his dues” and developed those skills in the years leading up to his civil rights successes.
Likewise, we need to engage people and develop the leadership and coherence to make these types of ideas happen.
Those that undermine our democracy do it with the money that many people freely give them by not making connections between our support of corporate interests and the neocon agenda those interests are promoting.
You are passionate, articulate, intelligent, and full of great ideas – why are we overlooking some of the most powerful tools we have – ECONOMIC BOYCOTTS?!?!?!?!?
Why are otherwise progressive people afraid to talk about economic boycotts?
Seeing some very creative ideas here including the protest in shifts, the documentation (have video cameras etc) and the requisition of flags thru the reps/senators…!
I don’t think Bush would be so stupid as to ram BW straight down CA’s throat — the areas burned (except for OC, I suppose) are NOT pro Bush areas and we’re strong enough and wealthy enough to tear him apart if he did.
BUT…yes the overall sense of rushing doom: the TSA nonsense, the FISA nonsense, the IRAN(!) nonsense… it’s all feeling like it’s rushing straight along.
I love the May @ 66 idea of half hour shifts…getting as many folks to be part of it as possible. And I love the idea that we are connecting this movement to the constitution…which should be the foundation of everything we do, in order to bring our beloved america…back to life. I haven’t felt pride in my country for so long. Just discussing our constitution and the very reason that it was developed…adds validity to the movement.
This can work. If I tell my employer and clients…Sorry, not on the sixth…I am celebrating the constitution, honoring our beloved foundation that day. OOOOOh I get goosebumps.
Thank you Naomi!!
Okay.
Glass houses and all notwithstanding.
OK — it sounds like it is late for many of us. I am going to sign off with tremendous gratitude — you all worked hard and came up with fantastic ideas and refinements of a vision and please send them — as will I — to Barbara. Think about taking on or asking friends to take on the task of setting up the web site to coordinate your town or city. Send your photos or videos of your events to Barbara to keep a living archive. You did the hard work rather than just comment and observe and I appreciate it — it is a seed that can now grow. If you have site ideas please send them to Barbara and/or to your local organizer and I send you guys all my warm appreciation. Good night and thank you.
Although the commenting system lost the post, before sleep claims me and the drugs take over (I have lots of medical problems unfortunately) I did want to say this.
One of the problems is that we are a select group of people here. We understand what is going on. Not everyone does. They are beginning to get “it” but the full knowledge of what has been done and what is being done has not reached them yet.
The news media’s collusion in this cannot be underestimated. In truth if you only received your news from the local TV news and the National thirty minute broadcast you would be hard pressed to not believe that:
The economy is doing well. The stock market is going up every day.
Inflation does not exist.
Unemployment is not a problem
The war is going splendidly now that we have the Surge.
There are some problems but they are being addressed.
We need a way to connect the dots for people. They are not going to learn this without a simple set of truths that is given to them in a way that they cannot mistake it or ignore it.
Just sayin’
There was that site that sold constitution pins! (Came up after the Obama flap about wearing the flag pin.) A little expensive, that particular source, but I bet something could be found in bulk…
My comment above seems to have evaporated.
The distinction between “deciding the law of the land” and being the Attorney General is kind of an important one. Yes, AG a la Gonzales was a shameless hack for his boss, in refusing to prosecute contempt of Congress charges among many, many other things. The fact is that the “rule of law” that we are trying to uphold here makes the courts — not the AG — the “Decider” of what the law is.
Yes, I can be there for a few hours on the 6th, but don’t generally leave home for more than 4 hours at a time.
Thanks for coming tonight, Naomi and I look forward to more.
Given enough support, commitment, and time – we could shut down the rightwing media whores by rendering the ads purchased by sponsors useless.
It is really only through our acceptance and tacit approval of advertisers and retailers of products/services regardless of the political agendas they support that makes the issues you raise possible.
go Ray!
and thanks for your idea, your work, and your book, Naomi Wolf
Jane’s readers are gentle-people and scholars, so we can get kind of wild when she cuts loose with a post like this:
Just When You Thought it Couldn’t Get More Crazy…
The comments were really helpful and I still owe Bartoo @ 222 a check… “~}
So, Naomi asked that we try to come up with three cities and locations in those cities for the protests.
Any suggestions?
littlebear @ 94
Have to answer this before I go -0- of course economic boycotts too! I based a whole theory of activism on econ. boycotts in Fire with Fire, my second book. Yes, yes to that, of course they work, per bus boycott. I am just saying that is a yes/and. We no longer have to think in terms of either/or.
And sometimes leaders do just show up — citizen leaders. The crowds around the world in 68 just showed up. Again let us snap out of the `you are the leader’ mentiality — WE are the leaders. Good night all!
naomi wolf @ 84
also you could get people to write a short (paragraph)account of their experience and why they participate with a photo at the event. see if someone would collate and run off small magazine type issues and sell it locally.every locale would have their own.
possible?
Anyone heard from OldCoastie today? I think her area is under mandatory evacuation at the moment, although the fires are not threatening homes there at the moment.
naomi wolf @ 63
I still can’t believe the case of the musicologist from Mills College who was detained at the border and not told why. They just tore up her visa and didn’t let her come back to teach.
Sleep well DWD
Look y’all, I have to turn in. If anyone wants something nice and gentle to read before sleep. I offer this as a gift to the readers here: It has been is so many publications I have lost count but if it amuses you, share it without whomever you would like.
Night, all
Autumn
Today the temperature soared to near seventy in Michigan. The leaves have already begun to fall gently. Sometimes the air is so thick with them you can reach and grab them without moving. I watched one of my fourth grade students collect giant handfuls of them and create a pile. He worked through nearly the entire recess. He succeeded in creating a pile which was just big enough for him to jump into — one time.
I sat on the school’s landing and watched him thinking about the time when I pursued the same activity. The remembrance of how it felt to sink into the crisp leaves and have them close over your face is still very much with me. They have a smell of the earth and a feeling of fleeting strength that is permanently etched in my mind. As I watched him leap high in the air and come to earth only to be swallowed by his pile of leaves, I realized that his smile had warmed me more than the early October sun.
The first frost has come and gone. The flowers, which only days ago were poignant reminders of summer, are hanging their heads down. Soon they will become brown and fade to the earth. Their color has been passed to the trees in the blaze of the maple, the hazy yellow of the aspen, and the swirl of brown oak leaves twisted to the sky by dust devils roaming the nooks and crannies of the school.
It is a bittersweet time of year in Michigan. There is the bounty of both the farms and orchards available nearly everywhere. Cider has found its way back onto the grocery shelves. The local gas station is selling huge pumpkins for around $5.00. Apples seem to be sold from every possible location.
Still for every day the temperature rises above sixty, there are five when it does not. The rains fall nearly everyday. There is nothing colder than a October rain drifting through the soon to be dormant trees. It is not the howitzer cold of the winter, but it does permeate your being in ways the winter cannot. The cold is not only the cold of the flesh, but also the cold of the soul.
The words of the Bob Segar song flashed into my mind:
“. . . just don’t seem to have that much to lose
Strange how the night moves,
with Autumn closing in. . . “
The night does move in the North when the winds switch around and strengthen at sunset. Here in Muskegon you can hear the surf crashing from nearly a mile away. The remaining leaves rustle against each other as they continue their futile struggle to just a little longer. The night moves and my feelings are carried back to the time when the leaves felt so good, as the pungent smell of burning leaves wafted on the cold breezes. The night moves . . .
It is a time for reflection and remembering the times that went before. Here in the North we can only look forward to winter, so we look back. . . as the night moves.
Mahalo Nui Loa, Naomi! Please visit us more often too, not just as a poster! *g*
And someone figure out how to impeach Pelosi, Reie, and some of the other clowns who pass for Dems.
what a bunch of simpering starfuckers you people are.
Good night.
naomi wolf @ 108
You can’t just assume “economic boycotts too” especially when you are using media that has flamed and banned that dialog.
I am not thinking either/or – but you can’t assume that people that have not or will not organized simple economic actions are actually going to get anything accomplished by blogging about big ideas – really its just another version of atrio’s 1021 keyboarding brigade.
Leaders will emerge and change will happen when we start with effective, proven strategies that start with the DOLLARS we hand over to corporations that are used to bang us over the head.
Not building that first is not going to be a successful strategy, marginalizing otherwise good ideas.
I’ll be protesting this weekend…
naomi wolf @ 108
ummmmm….. we have been waiting for a long time and, in terms of meaningful action, all we have to show is a lot of keystrokes and some tired wrists. Sometimes leaders do show up, but waiting for them is not a strategy.
Building support and allowing leaders to develop and grow is.
J-Ro @ 116
excellent – where and when?
Dang, Oddmommy, where did that come from? We’re usually respectful of our guest posters…
Ms. Wolf,
at the minimum we must insure the Whitehouse falls under the control of anyone but the Republicans. Currently, it appears as though Rudy is the front runner. He must be irrepairably damaged and I have coined a phrase that must be used in this endeavor.
Rudy’s Kerikter.
I ask the left blogosphere to use this term liberally in terms of meaning.
Now that our guest has left, I have to admit to being baffled by the response here tonight.
I am going to chalk it up to folks being very tired, stressed, the full moon and frustration.
good on you, J-Ro
Good evening everyone! Just a drive-by tonight, too much extended family drama to deal with.
Sorry Suzanne, I just drove up.
Oilfieldguy @ 121
I definitely like it!
madmommy @ 124
I think you arrived in the middle of a 10 car pileup.
TexBetsy @ 87
Cool!
CTuttle @ 121
Was that the quantity or type of response? I was out part of the evening and came in about 45 mins after this post was first put up…
oops. comment gone again.
Twain @ 127
Guess I should go back and read comments, but I’m just too tired. I’ll check it out in the morning.
CTuttle @ 126
I’m lost. Unless Kerikter is supposed to be character?
oddmommy, i pulled your comment calling us names. is that what you are talking about?
welcome and good night madmom
madmommy @ 132
It’s Papelbon time, 2-1 BoSox in the 8th…!
PB character Bernie Kerik
CTuttle @ 121
oh, I dunno. Just that when I called bullshit on what was obviously a ridiculous statement you all leaped to defend it.
Valerie Plame.
And, the absurd adulation that goes on here on a daily basis.
It ain’t the full moon, nor the stress.
CTuttle @ 136
Only one exclamation point??????
TexBetsy @ 135
I’m gonna hang out for just a bit; how are you Betsy?
Somewhat on topic..Maybe the Bush WW-III talk wasn’t delusional after all..
CTuttle @ 136
First pick off of his career-pffft!
madmommy @ 140
Be doing better if teenagers had functioning brains. Otherwise fine. You?
peanutbutter @ 133
Kerik was Ghouliani’s NYPD Commish, now under investigation for numerous illegalities…
Naomi, how many wpm do you type? Lol, just kidding, but you’re sure fast. I love the idea of “Constitution Day.”
oddmommy @ 137
really, then just what is the excuse you are using to defend your accusation that this group aspirates to fuck stars?
Suzanne @ 122
I loved the visit of Naomi!!!!…I think you are right about tired, stressed, full moon and all…and danged poor lost donkeys (on my part)…./s
Action is needed, but it is somewhat “constipated” by society….
hate2haggle @ 145
Our country has a constitution day in Sept.
TexBetsy @ 143
Usual madness, nothing out of the ordinary. I think teenagers set their brains aside for a few years so as not to wear them out too soon ;0)
peanutbutter @ 132
kerik certainly seems to be a character(of the unsavoury type).
madmommy @ 149
All that youth…wasted on teenagers ;-)
oddmommy @ 138
You don’t seem to grasp the role the AG plays within the system, my feeble attempts obviously didn’t sink in… 8-(
Twain @ 139
RBG and Suz have me under tight wraps…! 8~)
ok, i’m going to retract my last comment. it was unduly harsh
lets all take a short break, retire to our respective corners, take a few deep breaths and calm down.
i’ll start.
i apologize oddmommy.
CTuttle @ 153
… this way, you can practice Safe Sox … *g*
Petrocelli @ 155
ugh!
Petrocelli @ 155
Mi Amigo! How’s the book coming along? Only three outs to go…
Suzanne @ 147
Urban Dictionary:
1. starfucker
someone who thinks some brief nearly non-existent connection with some great legend practically makes them a great legend too.
2. starfucker
A person who obessessed with and seeks out personal interaction with celebrities. The desired interaction is often, but not necessarily, sexual in nature.
http://www.urbandictionary.com…..starfucker
peanutbutter @ 133
Yes. This is called poetic license, a common trait of blogistan.
I am proud of this one. Bernard Kerik is a two-bit thug, and much can be divined by the company one keeps.
Bernie and Rudy met on the cocktil weenie circuit, one an up-and-coming prosecutor on the fast track of Rightard easy street, the other a brutish flatfoot seeking a tailwind. It was love at first sight, each admiring the obvious manly qualities in the other.
The song selected for their eye-lock first meeting is from the Beatles: “Bsby Won’t You Drive My Car” as Rudy hired Bernie as a Drive.
Bernie drove Rudy off a cliff. Let’s be sure everybody knows this.
Rudy’s Kekter. See wikipedia.
hee, hee, hee -
good one, Petro!
CTuttle @ 157
Plodding away … how’s life in Paradise ?
Oddmommy I haven’t been around a TON this past week, but most of what I have seen is what I’d classify as respect.
kirk murphy @ 160
Thanks you Sir … I’m here all week … try the Veal … *g*
Excellent post earlier, Doc !
Late Night will be up in a little bit.
In the mean time, some folks should step away from their keyboards for a while, please.
Thanks.
Petrocelli @ 161
Cold and Dank, it must be 60 degrees here, a bit nippy!
Any word from Loo Hoo today?
Shit, I can’t believe all the typo’s in my last comment. Sorry folks, you know what I mean.
CTuttle @ 153
Good CT, I don’t usually resort to this kind of thing, but I’m a fucking lawyer. I know what Gonzo did. That does NOT justify an assertion that the Attorney General “decides the law of the land.”
I thought that factual accuracy, as opposed to hyperbolic bullshit, was what distinguishes “us” from “them.”
Suzanne @ 122
Suzanne, this in the bold seems to be the biggy IMHO.
And frustration often gets taken out on those nearest and dearest. Which itself is frustrating. *g*
I’d suggest like we handle trolls, one should not respond in kind. Merely nod one’s head and smooch ‘em on the cheek.
Works with kids…eventually. *g*
Oilfieldguy @ 166
Hot dog fingers. I have them, too.
RBG @ 163
Interesting. Didn’t know you were a mod till I checked the facebook. This explains the somewhat sanctimonious air you have. I prefer the moderators who SAY they’re moderators or are otherwise obvious (like lurking mod, etc).
peanutbutter @ 169
I should say I did mean to hit preview before actually deciding to send this. But still. I prefer the mods who say they’re mods.
would you please have the kindness to release my last comment.
And then I’ll be glad to step away from the keyboard, permanently.
[RBG Note; sorry, but we’re not going to do that and I hope you will reconsider.]
Woohoo, BoSox win! 2-1 final, 2-0 lead and headed to Denver!
Have I wandered into the wrong blog? What the heck is wrong with everyone tonight?
CTuttle @ 172
Looks a bit bleak for the Rockies, but perhaps a change of scenery is in order.
Slumber awaits, good night all!
RBG @ 163
((((( RBG & Mods )))))
… wish I could post a link for that 20 – breath meditation … it’s very useful in times like these. I can say without hesitation that the next 12 – 15 months will bring even greater stress, so you would do well to find effective stress management techniques and practice them daily …
There is some sort of algae bloom going on.
Twain @ 173
I’m still me, unless you’re a teenager who steals my cell phone for 2 hours.
madmommy @ 174
Nite, MM!
For whatever reason(s), emotions seem to be running high tonight. It’s sure easy to misinterpret comments when we don’t have the usual cues that help get the total communication. Please, folks, let’s cut each other a wider amount of slack than usual tonight.
TexBetsy @ 176
Not me. Would love to be a teenager – especially when my joints hurt. :)
TexBetsy @ 177
TexJr. or Cassie?
Haven’t read the comments. Just read the post. I wanted to say thank you to Naomi Wolf and tell you that you brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for trying to organize a response to the twilight that is descending. Justice Douglas, often quoted, said this:
“As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”
Petrocelli @ 174
Amen. Ohm. And Namaste to that! (And Shalom/Salaam, always!)
; )
Twain @ 173
pre fool moon kerikterisation?
i know what it is
it’s all the fault of those ignorant ill mannered no shows for Suzannes’house.
they made her polish her bludy floors all for nothing!!
peanutbutter @ 170
That’s cool, and sorry you were not aware that I have been a mod for well over a year.
peanutbutter @ 170
pb- now that is not fair or accurate. rbg announced his role a good while back.
And, as for being sanctimonious, he is not. He agonizes over every comment.
And, as I mentioned to someone earlier this eve, it is the CAians who are most likely to be on the edge, in reactions and comments. Understandably so, imo. It’s been a really rough time for all of you. And, I am not saying this lightly, bec. I have had my own experiences up close with CA disasters.
Too much baseball, I say.
Chris
last attempt:
last attempt:
I know what Gonzo did. It does not rise to the level of “deciding the law of the land.” Good Ms. Wolf’s statement was, to put it charitably, a careless error.
Now, you can all go back to kissing ass.
CTuttle @ 181
Cassie. And complete oblivion while I was searching the whole house for it. Had it on silent in her pocket and was busy on the internet.
Christine Edmonson @ 186
And you said this with a twinkle in your eye, I’ll bet!
; ~ )
Laura
I hear ya.
But, when a Fundie Republican who’s been especially rude to commenters here lately and swearing an awful lot and using the same quarter over and over in her swear jar says that I’m being insulting, it just makes me really sad and makes me wonder why I would accept that behaviour by showing up here.
Ya know?
pb, I’ve been called on my behvior within the last fortnight by cloaked and uncloaked mods -
yep, frontpagers screw up too – and I have as recently as as two or three days ago (I was too embarassed to check for a day or so)
I’m easily embarassed – and don’t like being called on my errors in public.
ANd I’ve never experienced any of our mods as sanctimonious.
IIunderstandcorrectly until the last few days the Lake’s policy is that the mods are mostly anonymous – save for two of them, even front paging I’d no way of knowing who they were.
Even when I don’t like what the mods say about my errors, I know that without them – cloaked or uncloaked – our comment threads would degenerate into the name-calling I can find at HuPo or many other) most other sites that are not as blessed as we are.
I choose to spend nine hours writing a post for the Lake precisely becuase of the mods here – cloaked and uncloaked.
I am grateful for their efforts, and never feel ad hominem comments re the mods are needed here.
Even when I’m pissed about one of their decisions.
Apre le mods – le deluge
Full moon will be at it’s peak within the hour (12:51 am EDT, 9:51 pm PDT), involving two very stubborn signs. Some folks say full moon is a time of potent spiritual energies flooding the planet, if they’re too much for us, we act nutso. So, as Petro suggests, Breathe. Use the energy wisely and lovingly.
crap, I ought to be called on my typos…
naomi wolf @ 63
Naomi,
Perhaps you are much better informed of the TSAs new level of harassment. Today I was asked the same question you just did, in essence, by a good friend here in Central Oregon. She didn’t cite the specific examples you did, but she could sense something ominous is going on.
I did point out to her that recently CodePINK’s Medea Benjamin and anti-war activist retired Lt. Col. Ann Wright were denied the right to travel to Canada for an anti-war conference. Today, in spite of being invited by several Canadian MPs to travel to Canada, Ms. Wright was again denied the right to travel.
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 193
A phone works better.
you know, I do think I deserve the decency of my comments being visible here. Even Kathleen got that much.
[RBG Note; your earlier comment has been freed.]
Neww Tghread
(You know what I mean)
Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 191
I was referring to getting called out by RBG earlier with no indication whatsoever of his or her role here. Had I known at the time, I would not have been going WTF is this person and why does he or she think he can do such and such?
I’m not going to dwell on it — I have never seen RGB say what they are. It’s not obvious like a “Lurking Mod” appellation, and for some reason I understood who Suzanne was right off the bat. So whatever. After this last comment I decided to see just who this person was, and then found out he or she was a mod.
Now, I had meant to hit preview to decide how much of the post I would keep and instead hit submit comment *shrug*. The final post would probably have just said, gee, so you’re a mod, though it’s not at all obvious.
Folks, it must be the end of the post, because this is always where I end up making this comment. We are like a big, interconnected brain, sometimes, with many different thoughts. Some we like, some we don’t, but a brain that needs all its thoughts to create something new.
When things get hot here and I am feeling myself get pissed or hurt, I try to separate out what I might say to further understanding, and what I might say to get my feelings out. The further-understanding comments get to be posted. The getting-my-feelings-out in an undigested form get to stay with me to think about. I am speaking only for me. It’s just a thought, just a way I’ve found to help me from being unfair or unkind.
There’s always time to say things later. It’s so much harder to unsay things. And sometimes things that are said are too much to take back. Or, at least, too hard for some to let go of. We lose good people here. And I know that our ultimate interest is peace. We need each other to grow it.
I admire the passion and shake my head at the tactics. Culture inoculates itself over time; this sort of thing hasn’t worked to engage the public since the 70s.
Prove it you say? The longest running protest in American history took place on the steps of the Tucson Federal Building from 1982 to 1987. Never heard of it? I didn’t think so. Which is sad, because the Sanctuary Trial is how the Reagan Administration destroyed the influence of the religious left in this country and cleared the way for the rise of the religious right. But that’s another post…
More recently, worldwide mass demonstrations in public spaces didn’t stop the Iraq war, and they might have been the largest such demonstrations ever held. So if it didn’t work then, I think it’s pretty certain that taking to the streets is not going to make much impact now. Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it is unfortunately true.
IMHO here’s why: mass demos are intended to engage the media, and use them to leverage the appeal of the demonstration to engage even more people. But the media has fundamentally changed and U.S. media don’t play that no more. Not new and shiny enough. Boooorrrrring. What else you got? Runaway brides? Move On ads? White women in peril?
But ironically it’s also a big clue as to how protests could work — protest the media. Yep, go after the filter itself — NBC, CNN, CBS, you name it. Make newscasters and producers run a regular gauntlet of signs and pictures and faces each morning as they walk into work, accusing them of being in the tank, of failing the public interest, being really really bad at their jobs.
Now imagine a day or a week or a month of committed protesters doing it in a thousand cities, small and large, at television stations all over the US. A couple hundred here and there could probably get more attention than 100k at City Hall. In fact, here’s my bet — a few thousand demonstrators making Katie Couric face her failures each morning will get her attention much quicker than a million wo/man march on DC.
My $.02. And worth every penny.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 192
Ha! and it is my birthday today ;-). Still the moon (balefully red as it is) sure looked like it had another day or so to go before being full…
RBG @ 185
No… sorry I got crabby. You slapped my hands over a troll call earlier and I couldn’t figure out who you were (though I should have checked your fb then, I suppose). But on this last post, ordinarily I would have previewed that and at least cut it down to just the ooohhh I get it now you’re a mod. And of course hit the wrong button.
I was still right about that troll, he didn’t show up again ;-)
I hope I can add this w/o seeming sanctimonious.
but, for myself, I am gonna cut pb and demi some slack this evening. SoCal is a disaster area.
My mother’s house was 3miles from the epicenter of the NR quake. I was 3000 miles away. when I finally got in touch with my mother (4 days after the NR earthquake) she said, upon learning that all 3 daughters were coming to help her, she said to me on the phone “and, I’m going to order you all off the property with a shotgun”.
Not that she has a shotgun.
It is really really tough to see the devastation first hand. love to demi, and pb.
cvcobb01 @ 199
Now, I think you’re on to something here. Seriously.
From me as well, some love from EPU land, hope they see it.
{{{{PB}}}} {{{{{{demi}}}}}.
I’m with you VG. Hell, I’m here in N. Ca and I’m tense as all get out. And there’s no wind, and I can sleep.
Extra TLC for all hands….
Laura Doty @ 204
Yes. Until I had that experience with the NR quake, I really didn’t “understand” about disasters.
and, p.s., Laura, I left you a further comment at the end of the “Bravo” thread.
Thanks VG, I caught it and I’ve been thinking about it. Are you on fb?
Where is Fenwick Park? I’ve lived here in Chicago my entire life and I’ve never heard of it.
kate @ 207
Boston.
Laura Doty @ 206
Laura- no I’m not. I knew that this would involve emails, and I didn’t want to offer more than I could produce. I have a tough time keeping up with emails, as it is. But, I’m sure we can find a way to get in touch.
naomi wolf @ 89
peace, V , brothers and sisters.
we have passion. we fight. we get over it.
Suzanne @ 107
Here in the provinces of coastal Monterey we have excellent, albeit relatively small open spaces within the seven city cities that make up the majority of our population. i.e., in Carmel, a small city of less than 3,000 permanent residents, most of whom could stroll downtown to the city owned square block park throughout the entire day and early evening. Repeated within the other towns of Pacific Grove, Monterey, Seaside, Fort Ord, CA State University Monterey Bay,. Count me in!
oddmommy @ 173
well, congratulations mr. RBG. If enforcing the suck up policy is your primary job description here I will grant that you’re getting very good at it.
[RBG Note; just for clarification, those comments have been released.]
happy birthday PeanutButter
laurence @ 218
just too late for anyone to notice them, but hey…..what’s a technicality among constitutional advocates like yourselves.
Suz – incoming ….
demi @ 193
I am sorry if I have done something that made you feel that way, demi.
I’ve been reading the deterioration of communication finesse in the comments tonight with a sense of dread.
I’m usually a “lurker”,as opposed to a regular commenter. I can’t decide whether to chalk this dialog up to the theory that familiarity breeds contempt, the possibility of too much alcohol,or the horrible possibility that we’ve become so desensitized by the ugly attacks on other people by our faux media that we now feel entitled to say whatever the hell makes US feel good.
My thanks to Naomi for her willingness to put herself on the frontline. It takes an enormous amount of courage and dedication to expose oneself these days. Thank you.
welcome, openhope!
(they say once you’ve commented you can never go back…)
thanks for joining the Lake
Jump into the lake. It’s HOT and there’s plenty of room!
I’m in. Why the Senate would confirm Mukasey is beyond me. Thanks for the idea, Naomi
kirk murphy @ 105
Thanks for the attaboy. Kirk, I’m assuming you are the same poster as Kirk Murphy, MD who has an essay up about the SoCal Firestorm. Wow, that was some read. Thanks for providing such a vivid picture of California history. I hadn’t heard specifically about Blood Island, and as an ex San Franciscan who would occasionally travel up to Fort Ross, I got the impression that that was a fur hunting station. I had no idea of the history of Russian enslavement of the indigenous population. Thanks for opening my eyes to yet new chapters in “The White Man’s Burden” and his willingness to assume “leadership” in the realm of race relations.
Ciao!
fahrender @ 62
Don’t EVER do anything which will get you taken off the voter rolls!
Didn’t read the ‘rest of the story’, didn’t read comments.
May my personal spiritual belief bless her from head to toe, for what she writes in the opening.
Mz. Wolf, tell me when to sit. I’ll sit for you. For us. For My Country.
I’ll Sit.
Damn I love this post. It’s leadership. It’s what me and my wife are looking for.
Way to lead, Mz. Wolf . . . thank you.
Have you thought of starting meetup dot com groups? The Ron Paul meetups are working great across the country and it might work for this type of “meetup” if there was a way to get the word out to people to join the Constitution Day local meetup. Meetup boards have messaging capability, calendar, email members, etc. I am going to send Naomi’s article to the Oregoniansforronpaul.com meetup website and hopefully they would like to help out with this.
Twain @ 176
There’s a full moon out somewhere.
cvcobb01 @ 203
cvcobb01,
Due to inflation, your comment is now work $0.68. And, yes, I did find it to be a worthwhile read.
I tend to disagree with you to a certain extent about why the mainstream media (MSM) is so horrid today. First of all, there is one heck of a shift in ownership with the media being consolidated basically into the hands of about five principal corporations.
One of my great disapppointments as an anti-war organizer is to find that even our public broadcaster, National Pentagon Radio (NPR) has a policy of deliberately undercounting demonstration participants. A good case in point was the UFPJ event last February 27 when protestors completely surrounded the U.S. Capitol. As the last protestors were stepping off on the parade route from the Mall, the head of the parade was returning to the same spot on the Mall. We had captured the Capitol! And what was reported by NPR? That about 10,000 people were on on the Mall. Not the 500,000 that was estimated by the organizers based on an analysis of aerial photos after the event.
So, everyone needs to start saying this whenever it is appropriate: “THE MEDIA IS AN ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE! THE MEDIA IS AN ENEMY OF DEMOCRACY!” I’ve been encouraged by how much agreement I get in supermarket lines when I toss this out for the crowd to overhear. (Just one example of 24/7 organizing)
Here’s an idea I had a few years ago when I got furious at a distorted news report on an anti-war demonstration I’d organized. One of our local TV stations seemed to fail to trust their reporter at the event and their news anchor essentially “just made sh*t up” to report on the TV about the event and the massive counter-protest. (There were four Bush supports vs. 350 anti-war protesters at the event). I did get an apoloty from the news anchor the next day but he’d already sandbagged me and there was little I could do to counteract his willful and immoral lies.
So, I thought of a clever protest that would get some good print coverage. My idea was to find as many cheap or free TV consoles as possible and at about 3 AM some morning barricade the TV studios entry doors. It’s a lovely vision of the coddled and clueless crew showing up for the Dawn News show and seeing themselves barricaded from their front lines on the propaganda war on the People and Democracy, by their own crappy sets. I still think that would be a heck of a lot of fun to orchestrate and then get the competion in town to cover the event. Would the competive media decide it was a story? Or a threat to be censored and kept from the people. It would be an interesting way to squeeze the lemon, so to speak.
I noticed them, “laurence” @ 220, and their abusive message was outrageous and contemptible, especially in relation to this positive and productive post. “A bunch of simpering starfuckers” “kissing ass” as evidenced by the daily “absurd adulation” of “you people” were her key ‘contributions’ to this discussion. If oddmommy has nothing better to do than to gratuitously insult and bully decent people whose commentary she voluntarily goes out of her way to observe, she’s the one with the problem, not FDL.
Tonight’s display comes on top of oddmommy’s unprovoked (though later semi-apologized-for) criticism of “even” Kathleen the other day (a replay of previous criticisms which I believe this time led, after escalation, to the forced end of the overly-combative Kathleen’s earnest if often tone-deaf participation here). Which largely flowed from oddmommy’s of-late frequent contentious nitpicking (without factual contributions to back up her opinion) about the degree to which the Israel Lobby is (or is not) the as opposed to a major influence on our Congress with regard to our destructive involvement in the Middle East. [Usually begun by picking with hostility at imprecise wording choices made by people using shorthand in the comments about the reach and influence of the Israel Lobby - imprecision which is hard to avoid because most of us (unlike oddmommy, apparently) can’t see behind the scenes in Congress and are thus groping in the dark to discover whose influence is being brought to bear on the hidden levers of power and control wielded by our legislators. An imprecision and lack of insider knowledge that is exactly the same problem we face with regard to the influence wielded by corporate and war industry power-brokers behind the scenes in Congress; knowing that that direct and insidious influence is there and videotaping a quid pro quo in action, are two very different things, but because we don’t possess the latter doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call out the former, in all cases of overwhelmingly-evident, corrupt bribing and threatening of our Members of Congress.]
Naomi Wolf defended her phrasing (of “decide” rather than the more accurate “enforce”) quite well and clearly above – as did those who rightly came to her defense – on a minor wording imprecision, which detracted not in the least from the overall import and rich content of her valuable post. After all, if there is no enforcement of the law, the law has effectively been “decided” by he whose job it is – as chief law enforcement officer of the United States, aka the Attorney General – to enforce said law. And that is the state of affairs we confront today in this nation at the federal level, as Naomi’s remarks reflect, and as we all have been stating repeatedly. That is the same underlying reality that explains why impeachment of the leadership of this Executive Branch is so vital to our Republic’s future. If standards of Constitutional conduct in the Executive Branch are not enforced by the only body with the authority to carry out that mission – the Congress – do they exist? In theory, yes, but I think we are all long past bowing down to hollow theory, when cold, hard reality to the contrary is slapping us in the face every day.
powwow- thank you, thank you. your comments are always amazing. you have a way of grasping and remembering and taking in the details, and also showing the forest for the trees. I stand in awe.
pow wow @ 234
Exactly!!!
laurence @ 221
Trolls.
pow wow @ 234
in a strange case of serendipity, i came to this thread immediately after reading tristero’s post, “A Little Night Nuance.”
i don’t know what bits to quote here… and anyway, i just want to encourage ‘pups who see this comment to go read tristero’s whole post… which was, for me, quite helpful in understanding this thread – althougth i didn’t “get it” until reading pow wow’s comment.
Valley Girl @ 235
what VG said.
selise @ 237
Hey selise! I was going to ask you if you sleep much, but I’m headed over to read tristero, so who am I to talk.
:-)
I just awoke and skimmed Naomi’s post. Brilliant.
I have been screaming here for national strikes and direct action for MONTHS.
Hugs to Naomi. Now I’m off to read Tristero and make sense of the comments above.
Clearly having a constitution which is not enforced is like not having one at all… It’s as good as any bunch of rules no one follows.
Let’s get this going. I’m in. The two Naomis… they get it.
newtonusr @ 240
re: sleep – last few months, not as much as i would like, but it’s getting better (4 nights in a row with 6 hrs!)… fingers crossed, the 3-4hrs/night was getting really old. was easier when i was younger and sometimes by choice didn’t sleep much. hope you are awake by choice and not insomnia.
re: tristero – thanks for checking out his post. wonder if you see the same connections i did.
I was just thinking about fascism this morning, and posted this Daily Kos Diary about the psychology of it. Then I read this awesome piece by Naomi.
During Vietnam and Civil Rights protest times, we had Teach-ins and Speak-outs. Moratorium is also an excellent word to use for these activities along with Salute the Founders.
Yes, and wrap our dear selves in the flag, especially the Betsy Ross.
JulieWaters @ 243
you gotta lets us know when you do this… so we can give you the recommends your post deserves.
I’m still tring to get through the 47 minute video of Naomi at the U of Washington. Worth every minute, just hard to find the time. The overlords frown on liberal YT vids.
selise @238:
I posted a joke at the “Night Nuance” comment thread at 2:34.
Naomi Wolf:
I read your excellent pamphlet, “The End of America”. I’d like to commend the book for two particular virtues: brevity and passion. I think it makes a very handy, effective little manifesto.
However, I have a minor criticism that’s relevant to this particular forum, FDL. I don’t remember if you mention Judith Miller by name or not in your section on controlling the press, but in alerting us to the real danger of coercing journalists to reveal sources, you neglected to explore the opposite problem, which, I think is currently a more immediate hindrance to citizens getting information: some journalists are agents of the government. Judith Miller was such a “journalist”, and I learned about her trade largely through this site. This may be quibble, but for me Miller is a touchstone, and I am wary of anyone who end up even indirectly an apologist for her.
Forgive me if I’m misremembering the chapter.
selise @ 245
Didn’t I just do that? :)
Friends,
I have been advised by a fellow organizer/activist to pick up a copy of “Doing Democracy”, a guide to community organizing. Don’t be confused as I was. The Bill Moyer who is the principal author here is not the same person as the wonderful Bill Moyers on PBS.
Some Links:
My activist buddy: http://thewhiterose.wordpress……en-topics/
“Doing Democracy”: http://tinyurl.com/2oraqg
My question is whether anyone here in the community has read this book? If so if you could speak to its applicability and usefulness to those of us who aspire to take up Naomi Wolf’s challenge to continue our determined opposition to the criminals in the White House at a new level, a more French version of protest including the venerable national strike.
BTW, did anyone catch the news that French lawyers are seeking to hold Donald Rumsfeld in Paris on charges as a war criminal for torture? Ooh la la! We got him on the run.
Strikers need support!
I diaried a couple times about general strikes on Daily Kos. I definitely support general strikes, and think they’re absolutely a great tactic, but I’m worried that without some organization, they won’t have the impact we would like them to have. Check out my latest diary here:
Daily Kos: Some notes on general strikes.
My biggest thing is noting that people who strike need support of some sort, which can be provided by fellow strikers, people on our side who would like to help the strike, but can’t walk off their jobs, as well as the striking organizations. Note that unions provide strike benefits for their members so in the event of a long strike, they have a little something to keep the wolves from their door. This is important – we’re asking people to walk away from their jobs, and if they’re going to be fired for doing so, unless we step in and make sure they can pay their rent, or at least has a couch to crash on, they will have a very powerful motivation not to strike.
We need to address this issue, because if we don’t, we could call a strike every month, every day, screaming into the void, and hearing little but chirping crickets. I don’t want to be negative, which is why I’m suggesting ways to address this issue.
So that’s one thing we need – support for strikers when they risk consequences for crossing their employers and the system in general.
neurophius @ 52
Wear them upside-down, in the universal sign of a nation in distress.
JulieWaters @ 249
let me be more specific… a comment in the current active thread would be gratefully appreciated. *g*
seriously excellent diary. thanks.
Ray Duray @ 250
i read it (twice!) after it was recommended to me by someone at a afsc meeting in RI. even organized a sorta “book club” discussion on it and have given away copies to encourage others to read it. i should reread it – it’s been a few years.
also recommend to you gene sharp’s “politics of nonviolence” and “waging nonviolent struggle: 20th century practice and 21st century potential”
Suzanne @ 64
I’ve beeen saying this for weeks to not much response. Glad everyone’s behind it now. It reaaly is urgent. out last chance. well, i’m off to boston, folks. gonna carry a huge american flag and wear my pearls cause my momma gave em to me. my sig other who has never spoken a political word in his life is going with me, so’s my daughter. We’re all pissed, and so proud to carry the idea forward. It’s a privilege to be this free for as long as it lasts. wish us luck. i know there are an awful lot of folks from maine goin down to beantown. with love
TexBetsy @ 214
it’s FENWAY park, jeez
Finally we are beginning to get the idea I (along with a few others) have been calling for awhile now.
I think it is a good idea to “run-up” until 10/10/08 and then we all come out and play until we stop this illegal/immoral Congress and Administration.
One of the greatest ideas I have ever heard!
This is something which has been on my mind for quite sometime now. I watched the movie Malcolm X not too long ago and observed something very interesting. The protesters were dressed in suits and ties and marched in single file lines. They were HIGHLY organized and looked like dignified American Citizens. It got me thinking about the protests I have seen recently here in the United States which truly are an utter mess. I’m not surprised the media labels them anarchist because this is what they look like. A bunch of punk hoodlums. Especially when people are too afraid to show their faces so they tie a bandanna to cover themselves. When people see a covered face others see it as “oh look they are doing something they are not supposed to be doing”. Please, do not cover your face. Be proud of who you are and stand up for this country. If enough of us do it orderly and patriotically we can make a difference and we can influence others to do so. As long as we are afraid people will know and they will be afraid too. Its time to take your masks off, put on your suit and march in a single file in a highly organized fashion.
FYI: Just got you book in the mail today. Can’t wait to read it.
kirk murphy @ 80
May I add these links to http://www.sitdownfortheconstitution.org?
Barbara Martinez @ 260 –
strongly second kirk’s recomendation on the national lawyer’s guild. i volunteered with them for a week in 2003 (miami for the ftaa protests) and for a week in 2004 (nyc for the rnc). coordination with them is key.
also recommend nonviolence training with an organization like the afsc (american friends service committee) or for (fellowship of reconciliation). learn practical stuff about working in affinity groups, violence descalation, legal support, jail solidarity and, imo, prior exercises in role playing is critically important (even though it sounds stupid – i attribute the fact that i didn’t pee in pants when the shooting started and even kept my head in a suddenly really dangerous situation to the nonviolence training i’d just had).
email me via the link at my name if you would like more on any of this. (i’m sure kirk would love to assist as well)