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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1057484</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1057106&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kurt @ 115&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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… relating to SCHIP, …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since it seems like the more money we throw at kids these days, the worse off they are, maybe we can take a different approach to treating low income earners with no health care….Churches and not-for-profit organizations.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Republican argument that “government is the enemy” is garbage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“no health care”? What good is that? Lots of people already have that. People die from that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s see someone use their personal responsibility to save themselves when they’re on a bridge when it falls? Let’s see personal responsibility save someone when a hurricane hits their home? Let’s see personal responsibility save someone when a fire ravages half of California and rips through their neighborhood.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any idiot and his brother knows it takes a village, it takes a tribe, it takes a gang, it takes people working together, it takes government to bring resorces together to defend the people from any number of threats and problems. Ask a Republican how much we should cut the military spending and they’ll squeal like a stuck pig. They KNOW we need government, they just don’t want to help everybody. Government for ALL the people bothers them. They just want government for the RICH people or their religious group.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;New Orleans didn’t turn Republican because they liked the way Republicans govern. It turned R because they simply chased all the Democrats out of New Orleans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do ya think California is going to vote Republican next election? Not if they value their homes. That’s traditional family values! Democrats would have done more to protect them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Republicans say “personal responsibility”, but even they don’t believe it. They just want their earmarks without spending anything that would politically benefit Democrats.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1057106"><em>Kurt @ 115</em></a></p>
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… relating to SCHIP, …</p>
<p>Since it seems like the more money we throw at kids these days, the worse off they are, maybe we can take a different approach to treating low income earners with no health care….Churches and not-for-profit organizations.<br />
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<p>The Republican argument that “government is the enemy” is garbage.</p>
<p>“no health care”? What good is that? Lots of people already have that. People die from that.</p>
<p>Let’s see someone use their personal responsibility to save themselves when they’re on a bridge when it falls? Let’s see personal responsibility save someone when a hurricane hits their home? Let’s see personal responsibility save someone when a fire ravages half of California and rips through their neighborhood.</p>
<p>Any idiot and his brother knows it takes a village, it takes a tribe, it takes a gang, it takes people working together, it takes government to bring resorces together to defend the people from any number of threats and problems. Ask a Republican how much we should cut the military spending and they’ll squeal like a stuck pig. They KNOW we need government, they just don’t want to help everybody. Government for ALL the people bothers them. They just want government for the RICH people or their religious group.</p>
<p>New Orleans didn’t turn Republican because they liked the way Republicans govern. It turned R because they simply chased all the Democrats out of New Orleans.</p>
<p>Do ya think California is going to vote Republican next election? Not if they value their homes. That’s traditional family values! Democrats would have done more to protect them.</p>
<p>Republicans say “personal responsibility”, but even they don’t believe it. They just want their earmarks without spending anything that would politically benefit Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda G</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1057186</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;this seems like a ray of hope in a sea of uncertainty for what our dear leader will do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Pelosi seems to be  taking the netroots advice, sending it back again over and over to see if the president has the cojones to keep veto-ing the bills and the mean Republicans overiding them with the Dinos of course. Who knows, this will be at least interesting to watch.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this seems like a ray of hope in a sea of uncertainty for what our dear leader will do.</p>
<p> Pelosi seems to be  taking the netroots advice, sending it back again over and over to see if the president has the cojones to keep veto-ing the bills and the mean Republicans overiding them with the Dinos of course. Who knows, this will be at least interesting to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1057113</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just out of curiosity, did SCHIP funds pay for the wagons, t-shirts, and balloons in the picture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[RBG Note; Kurt, that kind of speculation is probably best left at some other blog.]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, did SCHIP funds pay for the wagons, t-shirts, and balloons in the picture.</p>
<p><em>[RBG Note; Kurt, that kind of speculation is probably best left at some other blog.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1057106</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I realize this is probably opening a can of huge worms relating relating to SCHIP, but I am going for it anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since it seems like the more money we throw at kids these days, the worse off they are, maybe we can take a different approach to treating low income earners with no health care….Churches and not-for-profit organizations.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Up until not too long ago, the Catholic Church had built hospitals all over the country and continues to build in other 3rd world countries. Other religions and organizations have followed suit. Some of the best Medical Colleges are were started from these organizations, although most have since been taken over. This approach would allow costs to be decreased dramatically just by the fact that a lot of volenteerism is involved, but also it keeps it mostly in the private sector, and networks are easily made between organizations like this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Three big benefits from this: 1) Costs, 2) People will actually care about what they are doing (a purpose), 3) Government is out of the loop.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this is probably opening a can of huge worms relating relating to SCHIP, but I am going for it anyway.</p>
<p>Since it seems like the more money we throw at kids these days, the worse off they are, maybe we can take a different approach to treating low income earners with no health care….Churches and not-for-profit organizations.</p>
<p>Up until not too long ago, the Catholic Church had built hospitals all over the country and continues to build in other 3rd world countries. Other religions and organizations have followed suit. Some of the best Medical Colleges are were started from these organizations, although most have since been taken over. This approach would allow costs to be decreased dramatically just by the fact that a lot of volenteerism is involved, but also it keeps it mostly in the private sector, and networks are easily made between organizations like this.</p>
<p>Three big benefits from this: 1) Costs, 2) People will actually care about what they are doing (a purpose), 3) Government is out of the loop.</p>
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		<title>By: beerfart liberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1056764</link>
		<dc:creator>beerfart liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1056700&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Robert @ 112&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You know the dems claim Bush doesn’t get it. I say the Dems just don’t get it. They need to address 3 things; no illegals will be covered, no adults will be covered and the salary cap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If those things aren’t in it…VETO IT!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Illegals aren’t covered.  Dems addeessed that. GOP now says it’s to easy for illegals to use bogus i.d. because bill allows states to accept social security number as proof of being a citizen or national.  But hey, even if they changed that tis core group of diehards would find another reason to vote against it.  Bottom line is we need at least 20 or so new reps.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1056700"><em>Robert @ 112</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>You know the dems claim Bush doesn’t get it. I say the Dems just don’t get it. They need to address 3 things; no illegals will be covered, no adults will be covered and the salary cap.</p>
<p>If those things aren’t in it…VETO IT!</p>
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<p>Illegals aren’t covered.  Dems addeessed that. GOP now says it’s to easy for illegals to use bogus i.d. because bill allows states to accept social security number as proof of being a citizen or national.  But hey, even if they changed that tis core group of diehards would find another reason to vote against it.  Bottom line is we need at least 20 or so new reps.</p>
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		<title>By: John Clavis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1056708</link>
		<dc:creator>John Clavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1056700&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Robert @ 112&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You know the dems claim Bush doesn’t get it. I say the Dems just don’t get it. They need to address 3 things; no illegals will be covered, no adults will be covered and the salary cap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If those things aren’t in it…VETO IT!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What are you talking about? Those things were already in the old bill, and now, for slow readers, they’re expressed even more clearly in the new bill! So where are you getting this “If these things aren’t in the bill” stuff from?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1056700"><em>Robert @ 112</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>You know the dems claim Bush doesn’t get it. I say the Dems just don’t get it. They need to address 3 things; no illegals will be covered, no adults will be covered and the salary cap.</p>
<p>If those things aren’t in it…VETO IT!</p>
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<p>What are you talking about? Those things were already in the old bill, and now, for slow readers, they’re expressed even more clearly in the new bill! So where are you getting this “If these things aren’t in the bill” stuff from?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1056700</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know the dems claim Bush doesn’t get it. I say the Dems just don’t get it. They need to address 3 things; no illegals will be covered, no adults will be covered and the salary cap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If those things aren’t in it…VETO IT!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the dems claim Bush doesn’t get it. I say the Dems just don’t get it. They need to address 3 things; no illegals will be covered, no adults will be covered and the salary cap.</p>
<p>If those things aren’t in it…VETO IT!</p>
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		<title>By: John Clavis</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1056681</link>
		<dc:creator>John Clavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Look at the mealy-mouthed language Pelosi uses:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“…this is a clarification of the legislation that we put forth to ensure these children. We are responding to some of the concerns expressed by our colleagues and some clarification that we thought improved the bill.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is how she needs to talk:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Republicans tried to lie to America about what this bill does. We Democrats have made sure they can’t do that with the new language in this bill. Republicans have to be honest and address the merits and the facts of this bill, instead of trying to confuse the American public with attacks and lies.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Short words and firm declarations of right and wrong. Maybe if Democrats started slapping Republicans more often when they misbehaved, the Republicans would get a little gun-shy about misbehaving and about slapping Democrats.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Er, not that you slap people with guns. But you get the idea.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the mealy-mouthed language Pelosi uses:</p>
<p>“…this is a clarification of the legislation that we put forth to ensure these children. We are responding to some of the concerns expressed by our colleagues and some clarification that we thought improved the bill.”</p>
<p>This is how she needs to talk:</p>
<p>“Republicans tried to lie to America about what this bill does. We Democrats have made sure they can’t do that with the new language in this bill. Republicans have to be honest and address the merits and the facts of this bill, instead of trying to confuse the American public with attacks and lies.”</p>
<p>Short words and firm declarations of right and wrong. Maybe if Democrats started slapping Republicans more often when they misbehaved, the Republicans would get a little gun-shy about misbehaving and about slapping Democrats.</p>
<p>(Er, not that you slap people with guns. But you get the idea.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hiflyer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1056676</link>
		<dc:creator>Hiflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also…this trip by Bush gives ‘cover’ to those gop folks on the road with him and not avail for a vote on s-chip…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also…this trip by Bush gives ‘cover’ to those gop folks on the road with him and not avail for a vote on s-chip…..</p>
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		<title>By: Hiflyer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/25/schip-is-back-house-vote-today/#comment-1056669</link>
		<dc:creator>Hiflyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who the heck put in a motion to adjourn the house which is now beng voted on and defeated….obviously a gop play…and why did 3 dems vote in favor????????&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who the heck put in a motion to adjourn the house which is now beng voted on and defeated….obviously a gop play…and why did 3 dems vote in favor????????</p>
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