Fire Zed?

GOOD NIGHT!

TexBetsy @ 303

Good evening dear friends. I return with your roasted vegetable snack.

snack got epu’d

Hey hey

TexBetsy @ 3

TexBetsy @ 303

Good evening dear friends. I return with your roasted vegetable snack.

snack got epu’d

Oh, that looks good! YUM.

peanutbutter @ 4

Hey hey

Hey hey, you. HAPPY BIRTHDAY (It’s tomorrow in lots of places by now!)

Johnny Cash (sigh)

TexBetsy @ 3

TexBetsy @ 303

Good evening dear friends. I return with your roasted vegetable snack.

snack got epu’d

Is that ratatouille?

Hi, everyone.

Dang, youse guys are fast. I’m still finishing up the Ghouliani thread.

FunnyDiva

TeddySanFran @ 8

TexBetsy @ 3

snack got epu’d

Is that ratatouille?

Don’t believe so.

vegetables? i was so hoping for something with whipped cream

PB, don’t look yet.

Who has the candles? This is lookin’ kinda nekkid.

Ring of Fire! I remember seeing him in Frankfurt, Germany! *g*

Just wanna say, to my SoCal brethren, stay safe and if you’re anywhere near smoke/soot, wear a mask or a bandana – the particulates are nasty…

Suzanne @ 11

vegetables? i was so hoping for something with whipped cream

Well, at least you didn’t say that on the Ghouliani thread…

This is really just a drive-by…but hello! I’m glad to know our *fire* pups are ok, and I hope it remains that way. I’ve got a friend hanging out at Qualcomm, he’s just 18 and his mother is quite beside herself with worry that we share.

We Americans really need to decide what we want our government to be for, and force those who supposedly represent us to live up to that decision. By the people, for the people.

OOH! OOH! IT’s a SURPRISE PARTY!

(Confetti swirls, funny hats break out, sqawker things are blowing….)

(I looked, couldn’t find good sound effects on youtube.)

HAPPY PEANUT BUTTER BIRTHDAY!

Shadowstalker @ 16

This is really just a drive-by…but hello! I’m glad to know our *fire* pups are ok, and I hope it remains that way. I’ve got a friend hanging out at Qualcomm, he’s just 18 and his mother is quite beside herself with worry that we share.

We Americans really need to decide what we want our government to be for, and force those who supposedly represent us to live up to that decision. By the people, for the people.

Don’t let the wingnuts decide, they’re probably against socialized firefighting!

Can I open my eyes now???

neurophius @ 18

Shadowstalker @ 16

This is really just a drive-by…but hello! I’m glad to know our *fire* pups are ok, and I hope it remains that way. I’ve got a friend hanging out at Qualcomm, he’s just 18 and his mother is quite beside herself with worry that we share.

We Americans really need to decide what we want our government to be for, and force those who supposedly represent us to live up to that decision. By the people, for the people.

Don’t let the wingnuts decide, they’re probably against socialized firefighting!

They’d try to outsource it to KBR!!

neurophius @ 15

Suzanne @ 11

vegetables? i was so hoping for something with whipped cream

Well, at least you didn’t say that on the Ghouliani thread…

i’ve been known to walk the line but i also know when to keep my mouth shut

A delicate and beautiful cupcake for our friend peanut butter. Happy Birthday!

Rest of y’all can eat the nekkid one in comment 12.

TexBetsy @ 22

A delicate and beautiful cupcake for our friend peanut butter. Happy Birthday!

Rest of y’all can eat the nekkid one in comment 12.

Ooh, pretty! Thank you!

Happy Birthday Peanut Butter!

hippo birdy gnu ewe
hippo birdy gnu ewe
hippo birdy deer peanutbutter
hippo birdy gnu ewe

persiflage @ 24

Happy Birthday Peanut Butter!

Indeed! Happy, happy day!

Shadowstalker @ 17

This is really just a drive-by…but hello! I’m glad to know our *fire* pups are ok, and I hope it remains that way. I’ve got a friend hanging out at Qualcomm, he’s just 18 and his mother is quite beside herself with worry that we share.

We Americans really need to decide what we want our government to be for, and force those who supposedly represent us to live up to that decision. By the people, for the people.

second that

Talk about socialized firefighting… you all do know that firefighting was originally privatized in America, right? You bought a “plate” to go on yer house, that said what firehouse would put out yer fire.

You can still see these emblems in Olde Towne Alexandria, Virginia, and probably many other cities in America.

Of course, the problems arose when the fire business was slow and the firemen weren’t getting new subscribers. People were more willing to take the risk of not paying their fire subscription when there hadn’t been a spectacular fire in a while. In San Francisco, at least, it’s pretty well documented that there was a sordid underbelly to the firefighting business: arson.

peanutbutter @ 23

TexBetsy @ 22

A delicate and beautiful cupcake for our friend peanut butter. Happy Birthday!

Rest of y’all can eat the nekkid one in comment 12.

Ooh, pretty! Thank you!

You are very welcome!

Have some balloons!

(For those who don’t know, PB has been the computer techie designing and troubleshooting my news feed for a month now.)

TeddySanFran @ 27

Shadowstalker @ 17

This is really just a drive-by…but hello! I’m glad to know our *fire* pups are ok, and I hope it remains that way. I’ve got a friend hanging out at Qualcomm, he’s just 18 and his mother is quite beside herself with worry that we share.

We Americans really need to decide what we want our government to be for, and force those who supposedly represent us to live up to that decision. By the people, for the people.

second that

third

Peanutbutter…thanks and Hippo Birdie!

(For those who don’t know, PB has been the computer techie designing and troubleshooting my news feed for a month now.)

yeah PB – helping out tex

(adding PB’s name to my techie list for when questions arise)

Suzanne @ 32

(For those who don’t know, PB has been the computer techie designing and troubleshooting my news feed for a month now.)

yeah PB – helping out tex

(adding PB’s name to my techie list for when questions arise)

She knows everything wordpress.

oooh, go away for a while doing kitty chores, & i come back to a party!

Happy birthday, PB! thanks for the yummies, Betsy

The GOP is painting Hilary as the boogeyman with taxes. But the total cost of the Iraqwar is estimated at 2.4 trillion dollars.

http://www.bloggernews.net/111201

I want these no tax GOPers to take an antitax pledge that the poor and the middle class WILL NOT PAY FOR THIS WAR!

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 34

oooh, go away for a while doing kitty chores, & i come back to a party!

Happy birthday, PB! thanks for the yummies, Betsy

You ain’t trained the kittens to do the chores for ya?

Even more on income and voting
by Paul Krugman

As I pointed out in an earlier post, there’s a weird myth among the commentariat that rich people vote Democratic. There’s another strange thing about that myth: the notion that income class doesn’t matter for voting, or that it’s perverse, has spread even as the actual relationship between income and voting has become much stronger. Larry […

TexBetsy @ 36

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 34

You ain’t trained the kittens to do the chores for ya?

.

Dogs have owners, cats have staff

TexBetsy @ 34

Suzanne @ 32

(For those who don’t know, PB has been the computer techie designing and troubleshooting my news feed for a month now.)

yeah PB – helping out tex

(adding PB’s name to my techie list for when questions arise)

She knows everything wordpress.

And now I know she’s a she!

Things Come Undone @ 35

The GOP is painting Hilary as the boogeyman with taxes. But the total cost of the Iraqwar is estimated at 2.4 trillion dollars.

http://www.bloggernews.net/111201

I want these no tax GOPers to take an antitax pledge that the poor and the middle class WILL NOT PAY FOR THIS WAR!

I believe I have a better odds of winning the lotto 52 weeks in a row than the odds of that happening.

TexBetsy @ 36

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 34

oooh, go away for a while doing kitty chores, & i come back to a party!

Happy birthday, PB! thanks for the yummies, Betsy

You ain’t trained the kittens to do the chores for ya?

alas, they’ve trained me. One cat even insists on eating her wet food on a plate at the table. Spoiled little ingrates. (grumbles off to fix self a mug of cocoa)

Suzanne @ 41

Things Come Undone @ 35

The GOP is painting Hilary as the boogeyman with taxes. But the total cost of the Iraqwar is estimated at 2.4 trillion dollars.

http://www.bloggernews.net/111201

I want these no tax GOPers to take an antitax pledge that the poor and the middle class WILL NOT PAY FOR THIS WAR!

I believe I have a better odds of winning the lotto 52 weeks in a row than the odds of that happening.

Nationalize Halliburton, SAIC, and the oil companies, and we’re halfway home.

petedownunder @ 38

TexBetsy @ 36

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Dogs have owners, cats have staff

you got that right!

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 41

TexBetsy @ 36

You ain’t trained the kittens to do the chores for ya?

alas, they’ve trained me. One cat even insists on eating her wet food on a plate at the table. Spoiled little ingrates. (grumbles off to fix self a mug of cocoa)

Kitties get cocoa too?

Fire?

Yeeeee-haw! Git ‘em, Dutch!

;>)

TeddySanFran @ 42

Suzanne @ 41

I believe I have a better odds of winning the lotto 52 weeks in a row than the odds of that happening.

Nationalize Halliburton, SAIC, and the oil companies, and we’re halfway home.

Teddy, i’ll vote for ya!

Not to mention that we are so up to our necks in war-debt that we will pay, all of us, six ways from Sunday, directly and indirectly for a very long time.

TeddySanFran @ 28

Talk about socialized firefighting… you all do know that firefighting was originally privatized in America, right? You bought a “plate” to go on yer house, that said what firehouse would put out yer fire.

You can still see these emblems in Olde Towne Alexandria, Virginia, and probably many other cities in America.

Of course, the problems arose when the fire business was slow and the firemen weren’t getting new subscribers. People were more willing to take the risk of not paying their fire subscription when there hadn’t been a spectacular fire in a while. In San Francisco, at least, it’s pretty well documented that there was a sordid underbelly to the firefighting business: arson.

If I recall my education when I worked in the insurance industry in the olde days, the practice started in England. When you insured your house you got a plate from the insurance company which to placed prominently on your house. If your house was on fire, fire teams would come to your home but, if they were paid for by another insurance company, they’d go right by. You had to wait until the firefighters from YOUR insurance company turned up.

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 41

TexBetsy @ 36

You ain’t trained the kittens to do the chores for ya?

alas, they’ve trained me. One cat even insists on eating her wet food on a plate at the table. Spoiled little ingrates. (grumbles off to fix self a mug of cocoa)

My cat, the Princess of the Universe, insists I hand-feed her baked chicken every night. Beat that!

Laura Doty @ 47

Not to mention that we are so up to our necks in war-debt that we will pay, all of us, six ways from Sunday, directly and indirectly for a very long time.

Well that’s the thing. I roll my eyes every time I hear the ol’ tax!tax!tax! cry from republicans. Gah!

TeddySanFran @ 42

Suzanne @ 41

I believe I have a better odds of winning the lotto 52 weeks in a row than the odds of that happening.

Nationalize Halliburton, SAIC, and the oil companies, and we’re halfway home.

I want to watch them squirm on TV, I don’t expect them in a million years to agree to a Lefty antitax pledge.

Teddy, join facebook and you’ll know people’s names, genders, locations, and what their pets look like.

TexBetsy @ 44

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 41

alas, they’ve trained me. One cat even insists on eating her wet food on a plate at the table. Spoiled little ingrates. (grumbles off to fix self a mug of cocoa)

Kitties get cocoa too?

they distain cocoa, wisely as chocolate is not good for animals. tho i do get strange psychic vibes that give me intense images of vanilla haagen dazs.

persiflage @ 48

TeddySanFran @ 28

Talk about socialized firefighting… you all do know that firefighting was originally privatized in America, right? You bought a “plate” to go on yer house, that said what firehouse would put out yer fire.

You can still see these emblems in Olde Towne Alexandria, Virginia, and probably many other cities in America.

Of course, the problems arose when the fire business was slow and the firemen weren’t getting new subscribers. People were more willing to take the risk of not paying their fire subscription when there hadn’t been a spectacular fire in a while. In San Francisco, at least, it’s pretty well documented that there was a sordid underbelly to the firefighting business: arson.

If I recall my education when I worked in the insurance industry in the olde days, the practice started in England. When you insured your house you got a plate from the insurance company which to placed prominently on your house. If your house was on fire, fire teams would come to your home but, if they were paid for by another insurance company, they’d go right by. You had to wait until the firefighters from YOUR insurance company turned up.

Some of them olde days were none so goode.

darkblack @ 45

Fire?

Yeeeee-haw! Git ‘em, Dutch!

;>)

Careful — Goopers might just like that one!

I was going to jump in the conversation until Darkblack showed up. Thanks to the eye bleach I am now here.

Gnome de Plume @ 56

I was going to jump in the conversation until Darkblack showed up. Thanks to the eye bleach I am now here.

Lots of snacks to choose from my friend.

Thanks for all the bday wishes! And, ha, hadn’t realized the he/she q for me — didn’t think it was a mystery.

I think I’m going to turn in tonight. Headache and all that :-P Fire’s still going, though they’re back to saying 30% containment. But as far as I can see, it’s going north and east, ie, not toward where OldCoastie is…

Betsy, that chocolate thingy on the cupcake looks like Jessica Rabbit. Something must have gone wrong when I washed my eyes.

Sleep well PB and stay safe.

TexBetsy @ 52

Teddy, join facebook and you’ll know people’s names, genders, locations, and what their pets look like.

Altho not the mysterious NewtonUsr! : )

kristine @ 49

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 41

alas, they’ve trained me. One cat even insists on eating her wet food on a plate at the table. Spoiled little ingrates. (grumbles off to fix self a mug of cocoa)

My cat, the Princess of the Universe, insists I hand-feed her baked chicken every night. Beat that!

sounds like the main characters in the “Cat Who” mystery books. I’m telling you folks, don’t let your cats read those books or they’ll get way too many ideas

kristine @ 49

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 41

alas, they’ve trained me. One cat even insists on eating her wet food on a plate at the table. Spoiled little ingrates. (grumbles off to fix self a mug of cocoa)

My cat, the Princess of the Universe, insists I hand-feed her baked chicken every night. Beat that!

One of our cats will not eat food that has been in his dish more than about ten minutes, which means he is constantly demanding fresh food.

peanutbutter @ 58

Thanks for all the bday wishes! And, ha, hadn’t realized the he/she q for me — didn’t think it was a mystery.

I think I’m going to turn in tonight. Headache and all that :-P Fire’s still going, though they’re back to saying 30% containment. But as far as I can see, it’s going north and east, ie, not toward where OldCoastie is…

Sweet birthday dreams, PB.

Sleep well PB. Great bday wishes abiding. (Don’t forget nasal rinse she whispered). Looking forward to brunch!

Laura Doty @ 61

TexBetsy @ 52

Teddy, join facebook and you’ll know people’s names, genders, locations, and what their pets look like.

Altho not the mysterious NewtonUsr! : )

Indeed! I tagged HIM in a photo from Yearly Kos.

neokneme @ 55

Careful — Goopers might just like that one!

They won’t like this one.

“May I…Cut the cake?”

Don’t look, CTuttle

;>)

TexBetsy @ 66

Laura Doty @ 61

Altho not the mysterious NewtonUsr! : )

Indeed! I tagged HIM in a photo from Yearly Kos.

OHO!!!
er, ahem. OHO!

g’night, PB, sweet b’day dreams!

I have a cat that throws up after every meal. (He has an esophagus problem. It’s not the food.)

Laura Doty @ 61

TexBetsy @ 52

Teddy, join facebook and you’ll know people’s names, genders, locations, and what their pets look like.

Altho not the mysterious NewtonUsr! : )

Guilty!

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 62

kristine @ 49

My cat, the Princess of the Universe, insists I hand-feed her baked chicken every night. Beat that!

sounds like the main characters in the “Cat Who” mystery books. I’m telling you folks, don’t let your cats read those books or they’ll get way too many ideas

Cats know their ancestors were worshiped as gods. They see no reason why they shouldn’t be treated likewise.

newtonusr @ 71

Laura Doty @ 61

Altho not the mysterious NewtonUsr! : )

Guilty!

AHA!

Laura Doty @ 68

TexBetsy @ 66

Indeed! I tagged HIM in a photo from Yearly Kos.

OHO!!!
er, ahem. OHO!

altho with that logo you can tell whatever the gender, it’s a mega Mac geek from way back

NewtonUsr on the left. Katymine on the right.
YKos2

Gotta run …

Remember the LATimes article from June after the Tahoe fire?

Governor Musclehead vetoed money for fire safety

TexBetsy @ 75

NewtonUsr on the left. Katymine on the right.
YKos2

Awwwhh!

I can’t channel anymore Inspector Clouseau.

And I thought Newtonusr was going to have a new tonsure. That is what I envision whenever I see his name.

TexBetsy @ 37

Even more on income and voting
by Paul Krugman

As I pointed out in an earlier post, there’s a weird myth among the commentariat that rich people vote Democratic. There’s another strange thing about that myth: the notion that income class doesn’t matter for voting, or that it’s perverse, has spread even as the actual relationship between income and voting has become much stronger. Larry […

They need to believe that were all rich to explain the Righty Blogs crappy fundraising they can’t believe that THEY are so unpopular.
However the cognitive dissonance of income not relating to voting is only true when people think that their life and income are doing fine, its not fine even for rich folks!
In real terms adjusted for inflation the DOW last I checked was below where it was when Bill was in charge.
If you can’t accept the economy stinks you can’t see why income and voting patterns will be linked this election, or why nobody is giving to the GOP.

TexBetsy @ 75

NewtonUsr on the left. Katymine on the right.
YKos2

Yep, laughing my ass off because I didn’t know what else to do when DIGBY (!) walked in to the room.

Nice pic of 2 cuties, Besty!

Laura Doty @ 82

Nice pic of 2 cuties, Besty!

I was the official photographer for Late Night.

Yes, and I enjoyed looking at the pix right after you posted them. They mean more to me now, though.

TexBetsy @ 83

Laura Doty @ 82

Nice pic of 2 cuties, Besty!

I was the official photographer for Late Night.

That was an unusual morning, right Betsy?

newtonusr @ 85

TexBetsy @ 83

I was the official photographer for Late Night.

That was an unusual morning, right Betsy?

It was a wonderful morning. I so enjoyed going to the conference and meeting so many of the firepups and other “big names” in the blogosphere. Even learned a thing or two.

so newton, now that we know you are male, you wanna be a little less greta garbo?

Fred Thompson Planning Fundraisers In Fire-Ravaged SoCal
from Huff Po by The Huffington Post News Editors

2007-10-25-thomp.jpgFormer senator Fred Thompson is slated to visit southern California early next week. But it’s not to aid the recovery of a region ravaged by out-of-control wildfires. Instead, Thompson will be collecting cash for his presidential campaign at a series of high-end fundraisers.

The awkward timing of the campaign events is, of course, no fault of Thompson’s. Invitations went out well before the fires started raging. But an aide to the senator acknowledged that the fundraiser schedule, though tenuous, remains as planned — including one event set for Monday in Rancho Sante Fe, where hundreds have been forced to evacuate from their homes.

“We are constantly monitoring the fires and how they might affect the schedule,” the aide told the Huffington Post. “And we are the process of reviewing and revising if necessary.”

Hey Suz – go here.

I was in Chicago for just 25 hours, so if I had missed the FDL Breakfast, the trip would have been for naught.
I highly recommend it.

I’m heading out for the night, but before I do, wanted to link this speech for you all (as I did earlier today). Sahar Issa, an Iraqi writer for the McClatchy Baghdad Bureau received the International Women Journalists’ “Courage in Journalism” award yesterday,on behalf of 6 Iraqi writers (all women). She is the last remaining one of the batch still working in Baghdad (I believe all the others have left the country). She is a wonderful person, as you can get to know if you ever look at the blog she posts at: Inside Iraq.
Here’s the speech.

Good night!

tex, its not like freddie the freeloader thinks that those folks might now have a greater need for those dollars

thanks and g’nite laura

Night Laura.

great speech, brave lady.
nite laura

New Steps by U.S. Against Iranians
from NYT > Home Page by HELENE COOPER

The Bush administration will roll out on Thursday its long-awaited statement accusing a division of the Revolutionary Guard Corps in Iran of supporting terrorism.

Mike Mukasey thinks water boarding is ok. I wonder if its ok to use on an American Citizen?
http://www.kansascity.com/340/story/328435.html

Like Jose Padilla who waited nearly 4 yrs without any charges being filled and endured Severe Sensory Deprivation including near total isolation from human contact. Uh just what is the difference between SSD and near total isolation?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/…..-usju.html

I wonder if Mike would approve of this treatment for CEO’s like Darth who traded with Iran despite a U.S embargo? After all without Haliburtron’s support where would Iran get the money to blow up American solders?
http://www.halliburtonwatch.or…../iran.html

US lacks labs to test for ‘dirty bomb’ (AP)
from Yahoo! News

In this photo made from video, a simulated radioactive ‘dirty bomb’ explodes on a bus, which was used to test the ability of federal and local agencies to deal with a real terrorist attack in this Oct 16, 2007, file photo in Portland, Ore. The U.S. has a shortage of laboratories to test the thousands of people who might be exposed to radiation if a dirty bomb detonated in a major city, according to a recent congressional investigation. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer, file)AP – The U.S. has a shortage of laboratories to test the thousands of people who might be exposed to radiation if a “dirty bomb” detonated in a major city, according to a recent congressional investigation.

TeddySanFran @ 28

Talk about socialized firefighting… you all do know that firefighting was originally privatized in America, right? You bought a “plate” to go on yer house, that said what firehouse would put out yer fire.

You can still see these emblems in Olde Towne Alexandria, Virginia, and probably many other cities in America.

Of course, the problems arose when the fire business was slow and the firemen weren’t getting new subscribers. People were more willing to take the risk of not paying their fire subscription when there hadn’t been a spectacular fire in a while. In San Francisco, at least, it’s pretty well documented that there was a sordid underbelly to the firefighting business: arson.

Didn’t know about the arson, wow. In early New England there was trouble about refusing help to non-subscribers in an emergency. Some thought it “unchristian”. (imagine that)

Hi guys. If you want to listen to a different rendition of “Ring of Fire”, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96x_FiQIB6E

::waves at the few remaining Late Niters::

hey liss

Hey Liss. Welcome.

darkblack @ 67

They won’t like this one.

“May I…Cut the cake?”

;>)

Cheney seems to enjoy giving the impression that he is loony enough to pull off an attack on Iran before leaving office — even if he has to do it alone, like Slim Pickens riding the bomb down in “Dr. Strangelove” to the sentimental tune of “We’ll Meet Again.” He has even begun referring to his nickname, Darth Vader, noting that it “is one of the nicer things I’ve been called recently.”

MoDo Memetics…

TexBetsy @ 97

US lacks labs to test for ‘dirty bomb’ (AP)
from Yahoo! News

In this photo made from video, a simulated radioactive ‘dirty bomb’ explodes on a bus, which was used to test the ability of federal and local agencies to deal with a real terrorist attack in this Oct 16, 2007, file photo in Portland, Ore. The U.S. has a shortage of laboratories to test the thousands of people who might be exposed to radiation if a dirty bomb detonated in a major city, according to a recent congressional investigation. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer, file)AP – The U.S. has a shortage of laboratories to test the thousands of people who might be exposed to radiation if a “dirty bomb” detonated in a major city, according to a recent congressional investigation.

Many years ago, someone did a study of what a single nuclear explosion in a city might do to our medical system. Turns out that there’s not much spare capacity – they figured every burn bed in the country would be occupied by the victims.

Cujo359 @ 99

Hi guys. If you want to listen to a different rendition of “Ring of Fire”, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96x_FiQIB6E

I thought that was going to be the version that Wall of Voodoo did. I first heard the WoV version on a American porno in the 80s.

To go back on the previous post, I don’t know if anyone commented on this. It’s much better for the Red Cross donations to NOT be aimed at a particular location or crisis. If so, it can’t be used for anything else, even if there is a surplus. Open donations allow them to help anyone that needs it.

Cujo359 @ 104

TexBetsy @ 97

US lacks labs to test for ‘dirty bomb’ (AP)
from Yahoo! News

In this photo made from video, a simulated radioactive ‘dirty bomb’ explodes on a bus, which was used to test the ability of federal and local agencies to deal with a real terrorist attack in this Oct 16, 2007, file photo in Portland, Ore. The U.S. has a shortage of laboratories to test the thousands of people who might be exposed to radiation if a dirty bomb detonated in a major city, according to a recent congressional investigation. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer, file)AP – The U.S. has a shortage of laboratories to test the thousands of people who might be exposed to radiation if a “dirty bomb” detonated in a major city, according to a recent congressional investigation.

Many years ago, someone did a study of what a single nuclear explosion in a city might do to our medical system. Turns out that there’s not much spare capacity – they figured every burn bed in the country would be occupied by the victims.

We wouldn’t want to PREPARE or anything, eh?

cujo, and that was before the burn units were cut due to profitability issues.

I dont know how many since that study but i do know there have been closures. didn’t la have a big bruhaha about a plan to close one of two units in the region a few years ago?

I don’t want to go off topic but I was just watching the 11 O’Clock news on the ABC affil in LA and they showed that idiot, Bush saying nothing but the camera panned and there was Cheney and HE WAS SLEEPING it was hilarious/horrifying and then he kind of roused and the camera panned back to the chimp! UNREAL.

Sorry, driveby, I really AM going to bed, but this caught my eye: California and Orange County Fires: Lies, Stupidity and Unnecessary Destruction

and

How You Can Help Southern California’s Fire Victims

Night! And thanks again for the bday wishes!

john in sacramento @ 76

Gotta run …

Remember the LATimes article from June after the Tahoe fire?

Governor Musclehead vetoed money for fire safety

Thanks, John, I’ve bookmarked that for future citation this week. We need people to understand how Arnold helped this disaster happen.

Huckabee calls abortion genocide but how does he plan to stop premarital sex? Or sex in a marriage that will end in divorce like 50% of marriages do now? If anything I wonder why the abortion rate isn’t higher?
Oh wait birth control but the GOP wants to get rid of that and sex education too!
So how would Huckabee’s plan work a Faith Based Spanish Inquistion, mind control drugs, group masturbation?
Well stiffling the sex drive of a country didn’t work well for Spain culteraly they disappeared Goya, Velazques then nothing for hundreds of years, brief freedom Picasso, Dali then Franco shut things down again.
Considering how much of our economy is based on imoral movies, music, art, fashion never mind porn our economy and the military might it rests on would disappear as well as our American culture!

Adam, off topic often IS the topic at this hour.

true, tex, on topic is rare this late at night.

anyone wanna know how the showing scheduled for this morning went? the one i spent half the night cleaning for (and the other half playing on the lake procrastinating the mopping and waxing of the floors)

Adam Friedman @ 109

I don’t want to go off topic but I was just watching the 11 O’Clock news on the ABC affil in LA and they showed that idiot, Bush saying nothing but the camera panned and there was Cheney and HE WAS SLEEPING it was hilarious/horrifying and then he kind of roused and the camera panned back to the chimp! UNREAL.

I figure he’s least harmless when sleeping; can’t pull Chimp’s strings. (And there’s no such thing as off-topic at Late Nite, and Late Late simply has no topic at all!) Welcome!

Suzanne @ 115

anyone wanna know how the showing scheduled for this morning went? the one i spent half the night cleaning for (and the other half playing on the late procrastinating the mopping and waxing of the floors)

I do. Do tell please.

another looky-loo/tire-kicker, Suz?

peanutbutter @ 110

Sorry, driveby, I really AM going to bed, but this caught my eye: California and Orange County Fires: Lies, Stupidity and Unnecessary Destruction

and

How You Can Help Southern California’s Fire Victims

Night! And thanks again for the bday wishes!

Great lists, thanks pb and have a happy birthday, lady!

Suzanne @ 108

cujo, and that was before the burn units were cut due to profitability issues.

I dont know how many since that study but i do know there have been closures. didn’t la have a big bruhaha about a plan to close one of two units in the region a few years ago?

Might have. I know a big hospital was going to be closed in Philadelphia a couple of years ago. Part of the problem with our current medical system is that it’s going to be sized to provide for the current population of paying customers in the most economically efficient manner. That doesn’t leave much slack at the best of times.

Of all the things that are stupid about our current system, this has to rank near the top.

even worse, the fuckers never showed up and never called

Suzanne @ 115

anyone wanna know how the showing scheduled for this morning went? the one i spent half the night cleaning for (and the other half playing on the lake procrastinating the mopping and waxing of the floors)

sell house sell house sell house sell

john in sacramento @ 76

Gotta run …

Remember the LATimes article from June after the Tahoe fire?

Governor Musclehead vetoed money for fire safety

Thanks, John. I posted it at the radio network site.

I’d like to repeat a question epu’d on the last thread.

Since the current admin thinks it more important for state national guards to be abroad participating in the perpetual gwot, what is to stop an uppity state from phasing out their national guard (militia) and replacing with a state emergency service group w/out military training?

Oh Suzanne! :( So sorry.

harsh.

Happy Birthday, Peanutbutter:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L8nuTlHiNY

Why does the GOP talk about American values when they consider every expression of that freedom immoral? Why do they talk about freedom when they want to listen to my phone calls?
Every expression of freedom they condemn, every legal protection of an indivdual’s freedom they think is too dangerous!
Just what goes on in their minds when thet read the U.S Consitution?
Do they really think it only applies to people who look, act, and think like they do are they the Borg trying to assimlate us?
Why have the freedom to be different if nobody uses it?

SunnyNobility @ 124

I’d like to repeat a question epu’d on the last thread.

Since the current admin thinks it more important for state national guards to be abroad participating in the perpetual gwot, what is to stop an uppity state from phasing out their national guard (militia) and replacing with a state emergency service group w/out military training?

great question

SunnyNobility @ 124

I’d like to repeat a question epu’d on the last thread.

Since the current admin thinks it more important for state national guards to be abroad participating in the perpetual gwot, what is to stop an uppity state from phasing out their national guard (militia) and replacing with a state emergency service group w/out military training?

oooh! i like it!

Problem is that each state guard currently gets some fed funding.

Jeesh that’s cold Suzanne.

Night all.

Thanks for subbing Teddy.

Hope TRex feels better soon.

yeah, i know, teddy… (spitting)

Suzanne @ 133

yeah, i know, teddy… (spitting)

Here’s a dollar. Do more than spit.

Suzanne @ 121

even worse, the fuckers never showed up and never called

Jerks. Better luck next time.

(wanders back into room w mug of cocoa) off topic? Late Nite? (backtracks to see what the heck the topic was, ndfg is getting tired so attention span is down to about 10 seconds)

How’s this for vaguely related. I’m on fire to get a job. tho i’ve never been fired, i’ve been laid off two too many times. I want a job, not just temp positions/contracts. Tho i have no burning desire to relocate (agghhh! move away from the grandson?) the temp agency i use the most has a lot of positions in SanFran & my sis in Antioch would love to have me stay there several months. Sigh. Decisions.

aint the first time i’ve had no-shows tho.. of course, i told my agent the name of the agent, his real estate co and city of location

is becoming more and more common from what i’ve heard from the real estate drums

Geez Suzanne, what complete and utter bastards. At the least they could call. What a bunch of softcocks.

Things Come Undone @ 128

Why does the GOP talk about American values when they consider every expression of that freedom immoral? Why do they talk about freedom when they want to listen to my phone calls?
Every expression of freedom they condemn, every legal protection of an indivdual’s freedom they think is too dangerous!
Just what goes on in their minds when thet read the U.S Consitution?
Do they really think it only applies to people who look, act, and think like they do are they the Borg trying to assimlate us?
Why have the freedom to be different if nobody uses it?

Chris Hedges does a terrific job in American Fascists describing how the reichwing has actually redefined many words in our culture. When they say freedom, they don’t mean the freedom you and I think of as a uniquely American value. They mean the freedom to blindly accept the authoritarian leaders’ vision for America. The freedom to worship a sky-god with like-thinking co-religionists. The freedom not to have their children exposed to science in the schools. The freedom to control their women’s reproductive choices.

See? Their freedom isn’t our freedom at all. It’s actually slavery.

Black is white, up is down, freedom is slavery.

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 136

the temp agency i use the most has a lot of positions in SanFran & my sis in Antioch would love to have me stay there several months. Sigh. Decisions.

Antioch – SF is one hell of a commute, even with BART. other than that, why not?

Here’s 5 dollars. Remember that verb I taught you? ;)

TexBetsy @ 134

Suzanne @ 133

yeah, i know, teddy… (spitting)

Here’s a dollar. Do more than spit.

(tiptoes over & dumps more of her change jar into Suze’s swear jar)

persiflage @ 138

Geez Suzanne, what complete and utter bastards. At the least they could call. What a bunch of softcocks.

i sure like the way you aussies cuss – i’m gonna have to remember that one.

persiflage @ 138

Geez Suzanne, what complete and utter bastards. At the least they could call. What a bunch of softcocks.

oooh. that’s a particularly sweet insult. May I borrow it?

TexBetsy @ 130

SunnyNobility @ 124

I’d like to repeat a question epu’d on the last thread.

Since the current admin thinks it more important for state national guards to be abroad participating in the perpetual gwot, what is to stop an uppity state from phasing out their national guard (militia) and replacing with a state emergency service group w/out military training?

oooh! i like it!

Problem is that each state guard currently gets some fed funding.

I think it would be a good idea, anyway, at least to have a separate agency. It’s nice that the Guard’s there most of the time, but rescue and disaster relief aren’t their primary mission.

i’m too forking tired to really cuss :(

punaise @ 140

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 136

the temp agency i use the most has a lot of positions in SanFran & my sis in Antioch would love to have me stay there several months. Sigh. Decisions.

Antioch – SF is one hell of a commute, even with BART. other than that, why not?

I love BART, i insist on taking it out to my sis’s rather than having her drive into the SF airport. Lots of time to read … i’m seriously thinking about it.

David Corn toots his horn:

Plamegate Finale: We Were Right; They Were Wrong
By David Corn
The Nation

Monday 22 October 2007

Four and a half years ago, after reading the Robert Novak column that outed Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA operative specializing in counter-proliferation work, I wrote an article …That piece was the first to identify the leak as a possible White House crime and the first to characterize the leak as evidence that within the Bush administration political expedience trumped national security.

…And-fairly or not-it’s [the article] been cited by some as the event that triggered the Plame hullabaloo. I doubt that the column prompted the investigation eventually conducted by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald…But now that Fitzgerald’s investigation is long done, the Scooter Libby spin-off is over (thanks to George W. Bush’s total commutation of Libby’s sentence), and Valerie Wilson has finally published her account, it seems a good time to say, I was right. And to add, where’s the apology?

…

and sore.. i forking waxed the forking floors for goodness sake

i can’t believe i forgot to mention the sore (eyes rolling)

TeddySanFran @ 139

Things Come Undone @ 128

Why does the GOP talk about American values when they consider every expression of that freedom immoral? Why do they talk about freedom when they want to listen to my phone calls?
Every expression of freedom they condemn, every legal protection of an indivdual’s freedom they think is too dangerous!
Just what goes on in their minds when thet read the U.S Consitution?
Do they really think it only applies to people who look, act, and think like they do are they the Borg trying to assimlate us?
Why have the freedom to be different if nobody uses it?

Chris Hedges does a terrific job in American Fascists describing how the reichwing has actually redefined many words in our culture. When they say freedom, they don’t mean the freedom you and I think of as a uniquely American value. They mean the freedom to blindly accept the authoritarian leaders’ vision for America. The freedom to worship a sky-god with like-thinking co-religionists. The freedom not to have their children exposed to science in the schools. The freedom to control their women’s reproductive choices.

See? Their freedom isn’t our freedom at all. It’s actually slavery.

Black is white, up is down, freedom is slavery.

Just how insecure do you have to be to have this kind of world view?
Where they ignored and neglected as children?
Ok this constant need to prove how tough they are on Iraq does show some over compesation in security issues.
I’m guessing Darth’s Mommie took away his security blanket way to soon.

Suzanne @ 149

and sore.. i forking waxed the forking floors for goodness sake

i can’t believe i forgot to mention the sore (eyes rolling)

(makes hex sign) i’m reminding Karma to get those forkers.

Suzanne @ 143

persiflage @ 138

Geez Suzanne, what complete and utter bastards. At the least they could call. What a bunch of softcocks.

i sure like the way you aussies cuss – i’m gonna have to remember that one.

Ha! It’s not a common one, I stole it from a TV comedy show from about 10 years ago. I’m trying to bring it back.

Things Come Undone @ 150

TeddySanFran @ 139

Chris Hedges does a terrific job in American Fascists describing how the reichwing has actually redefined many words in our culture. When they say freedom, they don’t mean the freedom you and I think of as a uniquely American value. They mean the freedom to blindly accept the authoritarian leaders’ vision for America. The freedom to worship a sky-god with like-thinking co-religionists. The freedom not to have their children exposed to science in the schools. The freedom to control their women’s reproductive choices.

See? Their freedom isn’t our freedom at all. It’s actually slavery.

Black is white, up is down, freedom is slavery.

Just how insecure do you have to be to have this kind of world view?
Where they ignored and neglected as children?

Some were. I’m sorry that I don’t remember the stories very well, but Hedges mentioned one woman who’d been abused as a child who ended up in one of those churches.

persiflage @ 152

Suzanne @ 143

i sure like the way you aussies cuss – i’m gonna have to remember that one.

Ha! It’s not a common one, I stole it from a TV comedy show from about 10 years ago. I’m trying to bring it back.

if it lasts more than four years, consult a doctor

thanks, pups… all your good mojo really does help ease my troubles – easier to carry a heavy load when the load is shared amongst friends

TeddySanFran @ 144

persiflage @ 138

Geez Suzanne, what complete and utter bastards. At the least they could call. What a bunch of softcocks.

oooh. that’s a particularly sweet insult. May I borrow it?

Consider it yours Teddy. And don’t forget the political insults I’ve been collecting lately

Figjam – Fuck I’m good, just ask me
A conga-line of suckholes
A shiver looking for a spine to run up.

Persiflage – explanding your vocabulary, just not in a way your mother would like.

margot taught me a good one but i’m too tired to remember it

LOL Persi! Very nice, i like figjam.

Oil is up to 87.95 a barrel
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor…..43754.html

Considering the lag time before this increase hits the gas pumps the Democrats could do anything they wanted to Bush safe in the knowledge that Bush’s poll numbers often track negativly to increases in the price of gas.
We just need Dodd to keep finding issues to oppose Bush on there are a lot of them. We need Dems to follow a leader with a spine! Please God don’t let Dodd be a one trick pony!

Suzanne @ 157

margot taught me a good one but i’m too tired to remember it

We’ll be here again tomorrow, it will probably comes back to you just as you’re dropping off to sleep.

conga line of suckholes perfectly describes faux noise

Margot @ 158

LOL Persi! Very nice, i like figjam.

Figjam saves a lot of time. “Hi honey, what’s the new boss like?” “Figjam”. Says it all really.

Cujo359@ 153 you mean there really are sky god churches?

Suzanne @ 161

conga line of suckholes perfectly describes faux noise

Sadly, it’s not inappropriate for a number of Democrats either.

things, wasn’t oil up to $90 a barrel at the end of last week? or am i misremembering again

Cujo359 @ 145

TexBetsy @ 130

oooh! i like it!

Problem is that each state guard currently gets some fed funding.

I think it would be a good idea, anyway, at least to have a separate agency. It’s nice that the Guard’s there most of the time, but rescue and disaster relief aren’t their primary mission.

What is the Guards primary mission? Prevention of insurrection? Law enforcement? Presumably not (at least initially) supplementing national troops? I’m assuming the Guard is the constitutionally permitted (but not mandated?) state militia.

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 151

Suzanne @ 149

and sore.. i forking waxed the forking floors for goodness sake

i can’t believe i forgot to mention the sore (eyes rolling)

(makes hex sign) i’m reminding Karma to get those forkers.

Here’s a hex sign idea – if nothing else it will confuse the heck out of them.

Things Come Undone @ 163

Cujo359@ 153 you mean there really are sky god churches?

Probably, but I was referring to the Dominionist churches. Since I’m not much of a student of religions I couldn’t recall their name, and since we were referring to the Hedges book …

Cujo359 @ 167

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 151

(makes hex sign) i’m reminding Karma to get those forkers.

Here’s a hex sign idea – if nothing else it will confuse the heck out of them.

love it! i’ve always wanted to do an art car … one of these days its gonna happen!

SunnyNobility @ 166

Cujo359 @ 145

I think it would be a good idea, anyway, at least to have a separate agency. It’s nice that the Guard’s there most of the time, but rescue and disaster relief aren’t their primary mission.

What is the Guards primary mission? Prevention of insurrection? Law enforcement? Presumably not (at least initially) supplementing national troops? I’m assuming the Guard is the constitutionally permitted (but not mandated?) state militia.

That’s correct. I don’t know the history, but they’ve been integrated with the federal armed forces over time.

ndfg, lotsa art cars in berkeley

Social Reverse Darwinism a group of people ussally the ruling class who are protected from natural selection they are not allowed to fail, or face the consequences of failure.
They never learn from failure then, however they learn to think positive and blame others/uncontrolable/unforseen circumstances for their failures.
They might have been nice people if they were raised with consequences instead they become artifically created by enviroment sociolpaths.
Since they are the ruling class they cause the society to devolve as many will follow the Leader’s example of morality.

persiflage @ 152

Suzanne @ 143

i sure like the way you aussies cuss – i’m gonna have to remember that one.

Ha! It’s not a common one, I stole it from a TV comedy show from about 10 years ago. I’m trying to bring it back.

You will have my full support in that effort.

I can’t wait to see SF with an epidemic of ’softcocks’, Teddy.

i wanna see america realize that dc is awash with softcocks myself

Okay, folks, this has been swell, spending time with you mid-week late at nite, but I have an early dental appointment and must sign off now, shower, and set the alarm. Hoping, again, that all our countrymen and -women are safe, along with their children and animal companions, in the Southland.

See you hereabouts tomorrow, I’m going to use the Governator’s veto of fire preparedness bills to start pointing fingers. Time to play the blame game, as BushCheneyCo calls it when they fuck up.

G’nite, pups!

buenos nachos, Teddy, con salsa…

g’nite teddy and i can’t wait to play with you

Suzanne @ 171

ndfg, lotsa art cars in berkeley

earlier in my life i was a sign-painter (i.e., amazing brush control) so i bet i could come up with a contender. That would be fun! and of course theres always low riders

I helped drive the car of one of my friends to El Cerrito last year when she moved to the Bay to be near family, Her mom lives in Berkeley, or maybe its Oakland hills?

Dominionist Churches http://www.onlinejournal.com/T…..mazza.html

If Bush is appointed by God then why are we Losing? Why isn’t Bush attacking Ossama in Pakistan where he is at?

False Prophets beware
At this point Elijah proposes a test of the powers of Baal and the God of Israel. The people of Israel, 450 prophets of Baal, and 400 prophets of Asherah are summoned to Mount Carmel. Two altars are built, one for Baal and one for the God of Israel. Wood is laid on the altars. Two oxen are slaughtered and cut into pieces; the pieces are laid on the wood. Elijah then invites the priests of Baal to pray for fire to light the sacrifice. They pray from morning to noon without success. Elijah ridicules their efforts. They respond by cutting themselves and adding their own blood to the sacrifice. They continue praying until evening without success.
Elijah now orders that the altar of the God of Israel, and its sacrifice, be drenched with water (twelve barrels of water). He asks God to accept the sacrifice. Fire falls from the sky, igniting the sacrifice. The people who witness this immediately begin worshiping the God of Israel. Elijah seizes the moment and orders the death of the prophets of Baal. This episode ends with the return of rains to Israel, signaling the end of the famine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah

I love going Old Testement on these False Prophets!

Persi, Great new additions to my vocabulary. Thanks!

Suzanne, keeping a house immaculate is a bitch for anyone without obsessive-compulsive in their dna. Damn the fuckers!

Goodnight, Teddy. I think it’s time for me to sign off, too. Goodnight all.

BTW, if you get a chance, please read this article about Iraqi refugees I wrote a couple of days ago. I sure spent a lot of time getting those pesky tables to look right.

Well, cocoa mug washed, teeth brushed, bed cats giving me pointed looks, gotta say good night to all you FirePups still up. Catch ya tomorrow night.

newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 183

Well, cocoa mug washed, teeth brushed, bed cats giving me pointed looks, gotta say good night to all you FirePups still up. Catch ya tomorrow night.

Bay Area awaits you.

A lot of snow and a huge wreck involving a semi with an excavator on its flatbed during rush hour combined to give me the delight of a four fucking hour drive home from covering the Vic Kohring GOP corruption trial today in Anchorage.

judas priest et, that sucks big ones

an elevator like in use for tall buildings or an elevator like those grain things?

g’nite ndfg

Ed*ard Teller @ 185

A lot of snow and a huge wreck involving a semi with an excavator on its flatbed during rush hour combined to give me the delight of a four fucking hour drive home from covering the Vic Kohring GOP corruption trial today in Anchorage.

Oooooo, that sucks! I take it you’re home safe and sound now? And getting warmed up?

Sure hope the trial was juicy enough today to be worth all that.

ok, excavator is not an elevator…

i’m too forking tired… i’m gonna head over to cujo’s to look at his tables and then head off to soak my aches away in a warm tub.

g’nite everyone

Goodnight Suzanne, I hope Token takes extra special care of you.

Sz – take the forkin’ the road

heh. just invented a new atomic element: moderecium (Sz)

ET – sorry about that awful ride!
I’d ask how it looks, but at this early stage, seems a pointless question, the new allegations aside.

Nite, Suzanne. Sleep well.

Things Come Undone @ 35

The GOP is painting Hilary as the boogeyman with taxes. But the total cost of the Iraqwar is estimated at 2.4 trillion dollars.

http://www.bloggernews.net/111201

I want these no tax GOPers to take an antitax pledge that the poor and the middle class WILL NOT PAY FOR THIS WAR!

Oh, They’ll PLEDGE it…and then just like the “Contract On America” they’ll start finding ways around it. “Times have changed (the 9/11 excuse)”, “this is not a tax, it’s a surcharge on living”, “we had to sell off the National Parks to pay for the No-Tax Pledge”, “We’ve found that putting off the payments on taxes until the Democrats are in power means that we don’t tax”, etc.

Cinnamonape@194 then we hang them on their own words!

TheOtherWA @ 188

Ed*ard Teller @ 185

A lot of snow and a huge wreck involving a semi with an excavator on its flatbed during rush hour combined to give me the delight of a four fucking hour drive home from covering the Vic Kohring GOP corruption trial today in Anchorage.

Oooooo, that sucks! I take it you’re home safe and sound now? And getting warmed up?

Sure hope the trial was juicy enough today to be worth all that.

Juicy doesn’t come close. I look at criminal trials through the eyes of somebody who worked in public safety for thirteen years between 1976 and 1993. I don’t like court at all.

I’ve got to write my post for the trial blog – if you click on my handle above, you get direted there – then off to write a mid-term exam for tomorrow. It is snowing fairly steadily outside, coming up on a half a foot, so school may be cancelled. Otherwise, it will be a long ride in in the morning.

Ok Iran wants nuclear power supposedly so they can produce power without burning oil. This means more oil on the market which would cause prices to drop which is a good thing.
Iran getting nukes though is not a good thing.
So why don’t we see what they really want to sell more oil or nukes?
Why don’t we offer to sell them more solar and wind power than they could get from a nuclear power plant, plus we throw in a peace treaty if they dismantle their nuclear faculities and allow inspections?
If they go for the idea problem solved if not well then Darth has more reason to bomb them.
Still we have to give peace a better chance than what is now offered.

So the GOP hates immigrants or do they anyone know where we can find out what companies the GOP Presidential candidates are invested in or have done work for?
We could check that against complaints of hirring lllegals. Then we accuse them of being hypocrites and force them to divest their holdings.
Mitt’s Bain Capitol has a stake in Home Depot
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/tag/bain capital/

Home Depot has a problem as a day labour hirring spot. The Right needs to get on the ball investigating their own!
http://www.warriorsfortruth.co…..depot.html I wonder who else we can discredit?

ET, you’re bookmarked now. I just can’t get enough of the GOP corruption details. Especially when they come from a criminal court. :)

Thanks for covering the trial. Now get some sleep.
My eyelids are drooping, so that’s it for me tonight too. See everyone back here tomorrow.

The NRA thinks that guns make a safe society and that we need more guns. Funny though how many countries with strict gun laws, strong unions, and national heathcare have less crime than us.
Treat the disease not the symptoms!
Funny how the Righties were always accusing Bill of threating their freedoms but they have not said a peep about FISA, Torture, Jose Padilla.
Do those morons ussing their own logic want Hilary to have the powers those losers gave Bush to take away our freedoms?
They can read an election poll as well as us they know their likly to lose even if no especially if we have another terror attack.
After all its Bush who has left Ossama go free all these years while our troops waste their time in Iraq!
Another terror attack happens we Lefties will blame Bush for not going after Ossama.
Sometimes I feel like Sen Cato sayig “Carthage must be Destroyed!” after every speech. Maybe a name change is in order?

TheOtherWA @ 199

ET, you’re bookmarked now. I just can’t get enough of the GOP corruption details. Especially when they come from a criminal court. :)

Thanks for covering the trial. Now get some sleep.
My eyelids are drooping, so that’s it for me tonight too. See everyone back here tomorrow.

Thanks! Just now posted today’s entry…

TeddySanFran — two excellent videos! Good stuff. Thank You. ;-)

Its a freakin’ nighmare for the those folks that could just as easily be “us folks” …… but, by the Grace of…. DAMN!! I’m watchin’ this fealing just awful for these folks. This fire threat is so present in our every day lives, here, that to see it in such overwhelming photos and video… Well, I better get MY box of stuff ready… because surely its coming. Scary stuff. God Bless those fire fighters, angels they are, and everyone over there who is taking care of them… and each other. Bless you.

Screw washingotn and bushco for all their ignorance. while they play with themselves, there are real lives to be led. fuck them… nancy…congress….bushco… fuck them. These are the lives they’ve abandon for oil and the arms that will destroy us just as sure as those fires. fuck ‘um.

Be safe people.

SunnyNobility @ 166

Cujo359 @ 145

I think it would be a good idea, anyway, at least to have a separate agency. It’s nice that the Guard’s there most of the time, but rescue and disaster relief aren’t their primary mission.

What is the Guards primary mission? Prevention of insurrection? Law enforcement? Presumably not (at least initially) supplementing national troops? I’m assuming the Guard is the constitutionally permitted (but not mandated?) state militia.

Well the Guard is derived from the organized militias sanctioned in the Constitution. The principle purpose of these, when called up by the Commander In Chief, was to prevent insurrection (by other armed groups…illegal militias like those that participated in Shays and Whiskey Rebellions, presumably) and respond if there was an invasion.

I’m not sure what the Governor could call them up in regards to.

The militias were used in many foreign conflicts in the 19th century, so their Constitutional role expanded. They fought in the Mexican-American War and the Spanish-American War. The Dick Act of 1902 re-organized the Guard and pretty much placed the control of Guard Units for foreign conflicts under the President, and thus the regular Army. More legislation followed…generally increasing funding, oversight, and training.

The first case I can find of a State Guard being called up by a Governor in an emergency other than a military one was in the SF Earthquake of 1906. They were the one’s that blew up half the city with dynamite, and essentially caused the fire to spread even more than it likely would have if left alone. They were also accused of looting, particularly in Chinatown. On the other side they established hospitals and food kitchens for the displaced.

Before that, I don’t know…but they were called back during the Civil War “draft riots” in NYC. They were fighting in the war, and the small numbers of regular military (from West Point) and police couldn’t end the unrest.

Lots of State Guard involvement in floods that occurred in the Mississippi Valley during the Depression. And then there was Eisenhower’s Federalization of the Alabama NG to enforce desegregation orders (1956?). Then Kennedy did the same thing in 1962. Lot’s of varied uses for the Gaurd in the Reagan era…including strike-breaking – Air Traffic Controllers.

Not sure if a State can decline to have a National Guard…interesting question, and one would have to pour over a lot of the subsequent legislation regarding this. But since about 1984, with a critical Amendment to the Dick Act, Governors cannot decline to send their Guard units into foreign wars or conflicts. Presumably that was to prevent the opposition to a war like Vietnam from ending the Gaurd’s participation.

BTW, and this may be relevant. But when the Army demobbed in 1945-6 there was no National Guard. Everyone that served was either Army, or demobbed civilians.

Okay, well 20 minutes later, I guess MY post isn’t getting in…… fine :-|

Oh…. well I guess it actually did get posted?!?!?!?!…. sheesh

Wether its Law and Order or Beverly Hills Cop it seems the point of all American Crime Tv/Movies is that sucspects are always guilty and that the law stops good cops from doing their job.
Shoving, hitting, lying to sucpects, bending the rules is the secret message Minorites in particular seem to get shoved more than good rich white folks unless their corporate moguls, ultra rich then its ok to hate them but there rarely treated physically harsh.
Its like the media rationalizes even as it subtly condems such disparity of treatment. But middle class whites are sacrosanct. Minorities are often treated like white serial killers, rapists, or child molestors.
Cops on the BBC seem to be a lot more respectful wether its the Inspector Lynley Mysteries, Pink Panther movies, The Thin Blue Line etc.
After watching BBC TV I could not believe how racist our cop tv is I wonder how much more peaceful our society would be if we upheld the best of our police instead of the worst as an example?
Cops talk about getting bad press ending these tv shows and movies might help them get some trust in the minority comunity.
This subconcious constant imagery can’t be helping minority trust of police. And no I don’t think its accurate either the justice system might be corrupt and often biased but the entire system is not as bad as on tv. Rolondo Cruz, Jose Padilla and the Death Penalty are what we have to change.
I really wish ex Gov Ryan despite his crimes in Illinois had won that Nobel for ending the Death Penalty.

Things Come Undone @ 197

Ok Iran wants nuclear power supposedly so they can produce power without burning oil. This means more oil on the market which would cause prices to drop which is a good thing.
Iran getting nukes though is not a good thing.
So why don’t we see what they really want to sell more oil or nukes?
Why don’t we offer to sell them more solar and wind power than they could get from a nuclear power plant, plus we throw in a peace treaty if they dismantle their nuclear faculities and allow inspections?
If they go for the idea problem solved if not well then Darth has more reason to bomb them.
Still we have to give peace a better chance than what is now offered.

IMHO, they want nuclear weapons, mostly to get some respect from the U.S. and Israel. They’ve seen the deference we show to nuclear-armed, terrorist-harboring Pakistan.

Things Come Undone @ 203

Wether its Law and Order or Beverly Hills Cop it seems the point of all American Crime Tv/Movies is that sucspects are always guilty and that the law stops good cops from doing their job.

… and, ultimately, justice through firepower. ;-)

Wigwam@ 204
I agree they want nukes because they see Bush won’t send troops into Pakistan even to go after Ossama. They want nukes because they saw how flimsy the evidence was to invade Iraq they know that Darth willing they are next. A peace treaty could defuse the tension.
A public declaration that Israel won’t attack any country that allows UN inspectors for nukes and passes the inspections could help.
Plus more oil on the market could only help our economy get better!

More wasted tax dollars…

“A $38 million U.S. effort to create a computerized accounting system for the Iraqi government has been suspended because the Ministry of Finance there has continued to use a paper system, according to the latest report of Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction.

“Nobody noticed” when the computerized Iraq Financial Management Information System was inoperable for a month, and no one relies on it to produce reports, Bowen said in a report released by his office yesterday.

Bowen’s statement follows a disclosure earlier this month by the Government Accountability Office that $8 million was spent to train about 500 Iraqi government employees in various ministries to use the computerized system, but the Finance Ministry refused to drop its paper spreadsheets.” (WaPoo)

Things Come Undone @ 197

Ok Iran wants nuclear power supposedly so they can produce power without burning oil. This means more oil on the market which would cause prices to drop which is a good thing.
Iran getting nukes though is not a good thing.
So why don’t we see what they really want to sell more oil or nukes?
Why don’t we offer to sell them more solar and wind power than they could get from a nuclear power plant, plus we throw in a peace treaty if they dismantle their nuclear faculities and allow inspections?
If they go for the idea problem solved if not well then Darth has more reason to bomb them.
Still we have to give peace a better chance than what is now offered.

I think that the general offer has been to offer them soft-water reactors that are more difficult to use in producing weapons grade uranium-238. That’s essentially what Clinton offered North Korea back in 1990’s and blocked by the Republicans. Now in North Korea we are back to that point, after NK actually did (or got close to ) producing a nuclear bomb. Only difference is it’s a Republican President.

Iran, sadly, keeps saying that they don’t want external meddling….even if its to give them the nuclear technology that could be used for energy. I think it’s justified that the EU and the US insist on some limitations and inspections to assure that Iran doesn’t use the technology for weapons. And if the stories about Operation Merlin are correct, at least some in Iran wanted nuclear weapons material…they tried to obtain those a few years back. So that is suspicious if the tale is true.

wigwam @ 205

Things Come Undone @ 203

Wether its Law and Order or Beverly Hills Cop it seems the point of all American Crime Tv/Movies is that sucspects are always guilty and that the law stops good cops from doing their job.

… and, ultimately, justice through firepower. ;-)

Penis envy issues in such a highly sexualized and sexually uptight society as ours the “justice ” through superior fire power concept plays to assuaging our collective inadequecies by giving us scapegoat criminals to blame and triumph over, on tv at least.
Ironicly this tension while not good for society in the long run also helps produce the immoral culture the GOP hates but the left loves. Art thrives under some oppresion provided there is freedom of expression and the hope of making things better.
Golden ages of culture tend not to last long though. I’d rather we end up like Europe now than Spain after the inqusition or during Franco.
Stalin and Hitler produced some rather conformist art in their societies whoose value is more a lesson on why freedom is better than the conformity the GOP desires.

Posted earlier were some sites of groups doing volunteer work with the evacuees of these fires. Someone asked about ways that one could help injured, lost or homeless animals.

Here’s an interest effort by students and faculty at the University of California, Davis Veterinary School who are trained in bioth small and large animal care.

http://www.news10.net/display_…..ryid=34286

At the bottom are links to the Veterinary Emergency Response Team (VERT) of UC Davis, as well as Noah’s Gift and the Humane Society.

cinnamonape@208 Thats why we need to sweeten the deal with a lasting peace treaty. I don’t think Darth has offered that yet.
We need them to show their cards if the pot is sweet enough then it will be obvious to us and the international comunity what Iran really wants. Peace and cheap power or war and nukes.
Once we have international support assuming anybody still trusts Bush then the next President could build a real coalition of stepped up sanctions with increasing consequences with war/a strike on their nukes as the last resort.

One Third Of California’s Avocado Crop Lost

cinnamonape @ 208

Things Come Undone @ 197

Ok Iran wants nuclear power supposedly so they can produce power without burning oil. This means more oil on the market which would cause prices to drop which is a good thing.
Iran getting nukes though is not a good thing.
So why don’t we see what they really want to sell more oil or nukes?
Why don’t we offer to sell them more solar and wind power than they could get from a nuclear power plant, plus we throw in a peace treaty if they dismantle their nuclear faculities and allow inspections?
If they go for the idea problem solved if not well then Darth has more reason to bomb them.
Still we have to give peace a better chance than what is now offered.

I think that the general offer has been to offer them soft-water reactors that are more difficult to use in producing weapons grade uranium-238. That’s essentially what Clinton offered North Korea back in 1990’s and blocked by the Republicans. Now in North Korea we are back to that point, after NK actually did (or got close to ) producing a nuclear bomb. Only difference is it’s a Republican President.

Iran, sadly, keeps saying that they don’t want external meddling….even if its to give them the nuclear technology that could be used for energy. I think it’s justified that the EU and the US insist on some limitations and inspections to assure that Iran doesn’t use the technology for weapons. And if the stories about Operation Merlin are correct, at least some in Iran wanted nuclear weapons material…they tried to obtain those a few years back. So that is suspicious if the tale is true.

Perhaps you meant U235, which is the stuff that goes bang. Naturally occurring Uranium is about .7% U235 with (most of) the rest being U238. Reactor stuff is roughly 4% U235, and weapons-grade stuff is over 90% U235. (So, the Wikipedia says.)

And, to me, avacados are one of God’s better ideas, right alongside peanut butter. Damn I hate to see their price go up.

yo

Does anyone know just what kind of business Halibutron was doing with Iran?
How do we really know what Darth was doing with the Iranians unless we torture him?
After all Darth has such a lousy reputation for honesty I think torture in his case is extremely warranted. Yes! Yessss! Torture is warranted and it must be televised!
Fox would kill for the viewing rights!

[Mod: Speaking metaphorically we trust.]

Morning Raven and everyone or is it goodnight for some of us?

Things Come Undone @ 216

Morning Raven and everyone or is it goodnight for some of us?

Just gettin up.

First Kuwaiti, the firm that received $750 million dollars for the delayed and botched construction at the US Embassy Vaticanate in Baghdad is being awarded contracts all over the place, it seems. So now the foreign firm is now gonna get close to a COOL BILLION DOLLARS! In addition to the Baghdad boondoggle it’s erecting consulates in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia…Surabaya, Indonesia (principally known for its red-light district “Dollyland”…not its other business)…and Gabon!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclat…..itors_ytop

There were lots of questions as to why this company received an exclusive contract even though bidding had originally closed and another ESTABLISHED firm had offered the the lowest bid on the contract. First Kuwaiti hadn’t even originally bid, and then they get the deal?

Even worse, it turns out that the firm has close ties to a politician affiliated with the Hezbollah in Lebanon!!!!

So what in God’s name could influence the State Department to hire this group as contractors?

Simple! The head of First Kuwaits domestic operations in the US (and the one that proffered the deal to the US) is Robert Farah. And he gave $25,000 to the RNC in 2006!

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/by…..rst=Robert

Howdy, 46 and mostly clear on Sugar Creek near Trendy Blue Ridge.

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Citizens Raven and Things Come Undone:

Yo Brother Raven and “Thing”, I know why I’m up, I gotta keep a couple a college students in the manner in which they have grown accustomed but what the hell are you folkls doin’ up?? It’s daylight in the sweamp and the geese are flyin’…ain’t no place for man nor beast!

Get tapped up, I think I feel the tide turnin’…if we ken put a stake thru the heart of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign in Iowa (and it looks good for BOTH Dodd and Edwards there) I think Big Al will step in and administer the coup de gras.

Wouldn’t THAT be a gas??!!

KEEP THE FAITH BUT DO THE WORK!!

wigwam @ 212

Perhaps you meant U235, which is the stuff that goes bang. Naturally occurring Uranium is about .7% U235 with (most of) the rest being U238. Reactor stuff is roughly 4% U235, and weapons-grade stuff is over 90% U235. (So, the Wikipedia says.)

Ooops…got my isotopes inverted. Maybe I was thinking about the higher titer of U-238 in the reactor grade fuel.

NorskeFlamethrower @ 220

1,636 DAQYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizens Raven and Things Come Undone:

Yo Brother Raven and “Thing”, I know why I’m up, I gotta keep a couple a college students in the manner in which they have grown accustomed but what the hell are you folkls doin’ up?? It’s daylight in the sweamp and the geese are flyin’…ain’t no place for man nor beast!

Get tapped up, I think I feel the tide turnin’…if we ken put a stake thru the heart of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign in Iowa (and it looks good for BOTH Dodd and Edwards there) I think Big Al will step in and administer the coup de gras.

Wouldn’t THAT be a gas??!!

KEEP THE FAITH BUT DO THE WORK!!

Every day. You know how it is as you age and give up all those bad habits. I get up when used to be getting home. We hit the rack @ 10 est.Mornin 1st Sgt!

cinnamonape @219 Whoever approved this contract without vetting it deserves to be tried as a traitor for endangering Americans by being way to stupid.
Or he did vet the contract in which case he is a traitor who deserves no mercy beyound a last smoke before the firing squad.
GOP spin I don’t know, I will get back to you, the president does not know this person. Its treason to imply there was anything wrong with this contract. The media is making a big deal over nothing the government gives out lots of contracts.
So far as we know out of the thousands of contracts the government gives out this is the first one (that we know about) that went to Hezbollah. The System is working rather well.

Things Come Undone @ 210

cinnamonape@208 Thats why we need to sweeten the deal with a lasting peace treaty. I don’t think Darth has offered that yet.
We need them to show their cards if the pot is sweet enough then it will be obvious to us and the international comunity what Iran really wants. Peace and cheap power or war and nukes.
Once we have international support assuming anybody still trusts Bush then the next President could build a real coalition of stepped up sanctions with increasing consequences with war/a strike on their nukes as the last resort.

I absolutely agree that we need to take the temperature way down. It looks mainly like we are sabre-rattling and what we need to do is make them an offer of cheap or even free nuclear reactors (that would likely cost far less than any attack..or even less than the disfunctional US embassy) and negotiate a shutdown of their facilities that would be capable of producing nuclear material. We could even allow them to maintain facilities to produce lower grade U235.

There are lots of places that have nuclear reactors for energy and all are inspected…so the issue of sovereignity in this regard is clearly not all that compelling.

They need to continue to undercut Abdujinedad’s claims that its for energy by giving him the full capability to produce this type of nuclear reactor. And keep repeating THAT! It will eventually lead those who support him to wonder what is his motives if he doesn’t shift. But the continued shouting “Iran…Terror…He Has Nukes” is backfiring. We know that he doesn’t HAVE nukes…and that’s likely 5-10 years off even IF that IS his ambition.So Cheney and Bush simply erode their international support, and that in the region, by making such absurd assertions.

NorskeFlamethrower @220 I used to work a night job for 2 1/2 3 yrs delivering newspapers during 9/11. I still can’t reset my internal clock.
Still I like your atitude keep on pushing!

Things Come Undone @ 215

Does anyone know just what kind of business Halibutron was doing with Iran?
How do we really know what Darth was doing with the Iranians unless we torture him?
After all Darth has such a lousy reputation for honesty I think torture in his case is extremely warranted. Yes! Yessss! Torture is warranted and it must be televised!
Fox would kill for the viewing rights!

Waterboarding isn’t torture. Well, at least until I actually see how it’s done I can’t make that determination.

So if we accept the Governments assertion it isn’t torture then we can do this and should be able to be granted immunity. After all we only believed the Bush Administration in good faith!

Microsoft Invests $240 Million in Facebook
Software Giant Buys Minority Stake in the Site and Worldwide Ad Rights

By Sam Diaz and Catherine Rampell
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 25, 2007; Page D01

Microsoft yesterday announced a $240 million deal with Facebook, giving the technology giant a minority stake in the popular social networking site and the exclusive rights to sell worldwide advertisements that target Facebook’s 50 million members.

Facebook, which is second to MySpace among social networking sites, in recent months has become a hot property as a magnet for Internet advertisers. Google reportedly sought a similar deal with Facebook.

cinnamonape @227 It isn’t torture if Congress as a coequal branch of government to the Executive Branch orders it. I’m sure Mike Mukasey would agree with that interpretaion of the law!

cinnamonape @ 226

Things Come Undone @ 215

Does anyone know just what kind of business Halibutron was doing with Iran?
How do we really know what Darth was doing with the Iranians unless we torture him?
After all Darth has such a lousy reputation for honesty I think torture in his case is extremely warranted. Yes! Yessss! Torture is warranted and it must be televised!
Fox would kill for the viewing rights!

Waterboarding isn’t torture. Well, at least until I actually see how it’s done I can’t make that determination.

So if we accept the Governments assertion it isn’t torture then we can do this and should be able to be granted immunity. After all we only believed the Bush Administration in good faith!

I’m pretty sure we tried, convicted and executed Japanese interrogators for the practice we call ‘waterboarding’ (actually simulated drowning while tied up) after WWII.

For another song dealing with Fire and Lakes, check out the Meat Puppets’ “Lake of Fire”:

where do bad folks go when they die?
they don’t go to heaven where the angels fly
they go down to the lake of fire and fry
won’t see ‘em again till the fourth of july

i knew a lady who lived in duluth
she got bit by a dog with a rabid tooth
but she went to her grave just a little too soon
and she flew away howling at the yellow moon

now the people cry and the people moan
and they look for a dry place to call their home
and try to find some place to rest their bones
while the angels and the devils
fight to claim them for their own

It’s a little heavier than most of their songs, still a bit more playful underneath than Johnny Cash.

cinnamonape @ 218

First Kuwaiti, the firm that received $750 million dollars for the delayed and botched construction at the US Embassy Vaticanate in Baghdad is being awarded contracts all over the place, it seems. So now the foreign firm is now gonna get close to a COOL BILLION DOLLARS! In addition to the Baghdad boondoggle it’s erecting consulates in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia…Surabaya, Indonesia (principally known for its red-light district “Dollyland”…not its other business)…and Gabon!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclat…..itors_ytop

There were lots of questions as to why this company received an exclusive contract even though bidding had originally closed and another ESTABLISHED firm had offered the the lowest bid on the contract. First Kuwaiti hadn’t even originally bid, and then they get the deal?

Even worse, it turns out that the firm has close ties to a politician affiliated with the Hezbollah in Lebanon!!!!

So what in God’s name could influence the State Department to hire this group as contractors?

Simple! The head of First Kuwaits domestic operations in the US (and the one that proffered the deal to the US) is Robert Farah. And he gave $25,000 to the RNC in 2006!

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/by…..rst=Robert

So, a billion-dollar return on a $25,000 investment. Wow! Of course, the billion is “gross,” but at say 10% net, we’re still talking a hundred million. Damn those Republicans give an excellent return. And, their honest — once they are bought they stay bought.

Good morning!

MR. Bill @ 229

cinnamonape @ 226

Waterboarding isn’t torture. Well, at least until I actually see how it’s done I can’t make that determination.

So if we accept the Governments assertion it isn’t torture then we can do this and should be able to be granted immunity. After all we only believed the Bush Administration in good faith!

I’m pretty sure we tried, convicted and executed Japanese interrogators for the practice we call ‘waterboarding’ (actually simulated drowning while tied up) after WWII.

From Wiki

Torture of POWs

Japanese imperial forces are also reported to have utilized widespread use of torture on prisoners, usually in an effort to gather military intelligence quickly.[25] Tortured prisoners were often later executed. A former Japanese Army officer who served in China, Uno Shintaro, stated:

The major means of getting intelligence was to extract information by interrogating prisoners. Torture was an unavoidable necessity. Murdering and burying them follows naturally. You do it so you won’t be found out. I believed and acted this way because I was convinced of what I was doing. We carried out our duty as instructed by our masters. We did it for the sake of our country. From our filial obligation to our ancestors. On the battlefield, we never really considered the Chinese humans. When you’re winning, the losers look really miserable. We concluded that the Yamato [i.e. Japanese] race was superior.[26]

Raven @228 as facebook members is there any word if we can we buy into facebook before it goes public? Jane could make a killing by being part of an intial public offering.
Plus think of all the goodwill it would spread amoung facebook members and the buzz around a stock an internet comunity could spread.
Regular people getting in on an IPO is great buzz, I’ve never been in one myself I’d like to be treated like a wallstreet bigwig for once in my life.

NorskeFlamethrower @ 220

1,636 DAQYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..

Citizens Raven and Things Come Undone:

Yo Brother Raven and “Thing”, I know why I’m up, I gotta keep a couple a college students in the manner in which they have grown accustomed but what the hell are you folkls doin’ up?? It’s daylight in the sweamp and the geese are flyin’…ain’t no place for man nor beast!

Get tapped up, I think I feel the tide turnin’…if we ken put a stake thru the heart of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign in Iowa (and it looks good for BOTH Dodd and Edwards there) I think Big Al will step in and administer the coup de gras.

Wouldn’t THAT be a gas??!!

KEEP THE FAITH BUT DO THE WORK!!

I like the way you think. But what makes you think she’s vulnerable in Iowa, when the polls show her with a two-to-one lead?

sombrerofallout @ 230

For another song dealing with Fire and Lakes, check out the Meat Puppets’ “Lake of Fire”:

where do bad folks go when they die?
they don’t go to heaven where the angels fly
they go down to the lake of fire and fry
won’t see ‘em again till the fourth of july

i knew a lady who lived in duluth
she got bit by a dog with a rabid tooth
but she went to her grave just a little too soon
and she flew away howling at the yellow moon

now the people cry and the people moan
and they look for a dry place to call their home
and try to find some place to rest their bones
while the angels and the devils
fight to claim them for their own

It’s a little heavier than most of their songs, still a bit more playful underneath than Johnny Cash.

My favorite Meat Puppets number is “Backwater”
And when I wake up in the morning
To feel the daybreak on my face
There’s a blood that’s flowin’
Through the feeling, with a knife
To open up the sky’s veins
Some things will never change
They stand there looking backwards
Half unconscious from the pain
They may seem rearranged
In the backwater swirling, there is
Something that will never change
And when I shoulda been gone a long time
Laughs and says, I find ways
Just when we’re sheltered under paper
The rockets come at us sideways
Some things will never change
They stand there looking backwards
Half unconscious from the pain
They may seem rearranged
In the backwater swirling, there is
Something that’ll never change
Hey, I’m blind
Good, fine
Roll the time
On whose dime
And when I wake up in the morning
To feel the daybreak on my face
There’s a blood that’s flowin’
Through the ceiling, with a knife
To open up the sky’s veins
Some things will never change
They stand there looking backwards
Half unconscious from the pain
They may seem rearranged
In the backwater swirling, there is
Something that’ll never change
Some things will never change
They stand there looking backwards
Half unconscious from the pain
They may seem rearranged
In the backwater swirling, there is
Something that’ll never change

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Citizen Cinnamonape and the Early Mornin’Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Most respectfully, the last thing we need in the middle east is our governmental surrogates for the multi-national oil conglomerates ta finnesse a contract for nuclear technologies in Iran…that’s what this whole war for empire is, a battle to capture the last reserves of fossil fuels and get sole provider status for nuclear power in the third world. Why the hell do ya think the big oil folks don’t want anyone in the middle east except Isreal ta have nukes?

Get our bloody corporations outta our government and let the Arabs kick ‘em the hell outta their countries!

KEEP THE FAITH, WE HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS US!!

sombrerofallout @ 231

For another song dealing with Fire and Lakes, check out the Meat Puppets’ “Lake of Fire”:

where do bad folks go when they die?
they don’t go to heaven where the angels fly
they go down to the lake of fire and fry
won’t see ‘em again till the fourth of july

i knew a lady who lived in duluth
she got bit by a dog with a rabid tooth
but she went to her grave just a little too soon
and she flew away howling at the yellow moon

now the people cry and the people moan
and they look for a dry place to call their home
and try to find some place to rest their bones
while the angels and the devils
fight to claim them for their own

It’s a little heavier than most of their songs, still a bit more playful underneath than Johnny Cash.

I vote this as the Lake’s theme song!
Its to be sung everytime a Bushie goes to jail with no pardon.
Its to be sung by Jane, Christy, TRex etc publicly everytime a Bushie goes down for warcrimes!

Things Come Undone @ 228

cinnamonape @227 It isn’t torture if Congress as a coequal branch of government to the Executive Branch orders it. I’m sure Mike Mukasey would agree with that interpretaion of the law!

Mukasey says he doesn’t know if it’s torture. Perhaps we should let him decide for himself.

[Mod: Let’s not go there, ok?]

Things Come Undone @ 234

Raven @228 as facebook members is there any word if we can we buy into facebook before it goes public? Jane could make a killing by being part of an intial public offering.
Plus think of all the goodwill it would spread amoung facebook members and the buzz around a stock an internet comunity could spread.
Regular people getting in on an IPO is great buzz, I’ve never been in one myself I’d like to be treated like a wallstreet bigwig for once in my life.

I know zipola about IPO and stuff.

The paper said’
The deal also puts Microsoft in the driver’s seat to acquire Facebook if that option becomes available.

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Citizen Wigwam:

Ya gotta be careful about what polls yer lookin’ at…the generic NATIONAL polls show Mrs. Clinton with a big lead among registered Democrats but the latest Iowa polls show a dead heat and Clinton has never had more’n a few pointz lead. Actually Edwards led up until the middle a last month. The Iowa caucus poll numbers show a dead heat and I’m a native Minnesotan, so I know the Iwedgians well, Clinton ain’t gunna carry Iowa in the caucuses unless Edwards and Dodd get caught in a heinous crime of immoralit5y on Interstate 80.

KEEP THE FAITH AND LISTEN CAREFULLY!!

I like the idea of giving Iran Solar and Windpower tech for power even America still doesn’t know where to store their nuclear waste yet.

From Washingtonmonthly.com:
“Jonathan Turley on the statement from George Bush’s nominee for attorney general that he couldn’t say whether waterboarding was torture or not because he really didn’t know what waterboarding was:

There are only two explanations for this answer, either of which should compel the senators to vote against confirmation. The first is that Mukasey is the most ill-informed nominee in the history of this republic….The second possibility is, unfortunately, the more likely explanation: Mukasey is lying.

….What is truly astonishing is that the Democrats on the committee are apparently willing to look beyond the nominee’s evasive, misleading testimony….Democrats hope to win the World Series without ever leaving the dugout: They want to denounce torture but won’t expend the political capital it would take to fight a time-consuming and risky confirmation battle.”

ok, got to get an early start here, the rain is over (and none in ten day forecast). You’uns take it easy.

MR. Bill @ 247

From Washingtonmonthly.com:
“Jonathan Turley on the statement from George Bush’s nominee for attorney general that he couldn’t say whether waterboarding was torture or not because he really didn’t know what waterboarding was:

There are only two explanations for this answer, either of which should compel the senators to vote against confirmation. The first is that Mukasey is the most ill-informed nominee in the history of this republic….The second possibility is, unfortunately, the more likely explanation: Mukasey is lying.

….What is truly astonishing is that the Democrats on the committee are apparently willing to look beyond the nominee’s evasive, misleading testimony….Democrats hope to win the World Series without ever leaving the dugout: They want to denounce torture but won’t expend the political capital it would take to fight a time-consuming and risky confirmation battle.”

Explain to him what waterboarding is or offer to demonstrate on him what waterboarding is then ask him his opinion.
I would love to see him say he thinks its not torture but refuse to be demonstrated on.
Reporters even older ones get tazered all the time on tv are Bushies more cowardly than reporters? Or are they afraid they’ll melt?

MR. Bill @ 247

From Washingtonmonthly.com:
“Jonathan Turley on the statement from George Bush’s nominee for attorney general that he couldn’t say whether waterboarding was torture or not because he really didn’t know what waterboarding was:

There are only two explanations for this answer, either of which should compel the senators to vote against confirmation. The first is that Mukasey is the most ill-informed nominee in the history of this republic….The second possibility is, unfortunately, the more likely explanation: Mukasey is lying.

….What is truly astonishing is that the Democrats on the committee are apparently willing to look beyond the nominee’s evasive, misleading testimony….Democrats hope to win the World Series without ever leaving the dugout: They want to denounce torture but won’t expend the political capital it would take to fight a time-consuming and risky confirmation battle.”

I agree, but doubt that doing so would be an “expenditure of political capital.” IMHO, it would garner political capital, in the ordinary sense of that term, i.e., credibility with the electorate. But it would certainly piss off the democrats ATM machine.

Good morning, pups. Today we have TOMC and Roger Cohen in the NYT. TOMC wonders why more conservatives aren’t flocking to support Huckabee. Mr. Cohen says it’s past time for continental Europe to overcome its pacifist image and accept that these are dangerous times demanding serious defense sacrifice.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea ready, and I’ve got French toast today, with either real maple syrup or some local honey. We got a bit of rain yesterday, and may get some more today. Have a super day.

Condi admits that America mishandled that case where the Canadain was sent to Syria to be tortured but still refuses to apoligize or take the guy off the terror watch list.
What ever happened to acountablity. What ever happened to the U.S does not torture…except by proxy or with due process of law? Of course no loyal Bushie will ever be held responsible unless we get a Dem with a spine in the WhiteHouse!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200….._arar1_col

Torture by proxy is a warcrime I want accountability the buck stops at Bush!

Cohen still thinks that Bush can convince anybody to help us more than they are already doing after the rational for the Iraq war turned out to be lies?
Europe is not going to step up just so Bush can withdrawl and free up troops to attack Iran. Oil prices are high enough thank you.

Does anyone know where TRex is? Is he okay?

He hurt his back a couple days ago. Teddy was filling in for him last night.

morning!

Thanks, egregious. Hope he’s on the mend, with no lasting sequelae.

Things Come Undone @ 253

Torture by proxy is a warcrime I want accountability the buck stops at Bush!

Perhaps, at the next debate of Democratic contenders, they should all be asked: “If elected, will you as the nation’s chief law-enforcement officer, prosecute war crimes and crimes against humanity perptrated by members of the previous admistration?” Or, maybe they should be asked if they’d appoint truth-and-reconciliation commissions with power to prosecute.

Good Morning!
dark and rainy here

Son of SCHIP: House Democrats Set For Vote on New Version Of Children’s Health Bill

Rep. Ric Keller (R-Fla.)…has suffered through a barrage of advertisements from Democratic allies accusing him of forsaking children. [snip]

…Democratic leadership aides said they sense that enough Republicans are ready for the issue to go away that they will vote for the new proposal. At a contentious House GOP meeting with Leavitt on Tuesday night, wavering Republicans pledged that they would stand with the president. But others quietly voiced concerns that the SCHIP showdown is taking a toll on their political prospects.

egr bold

We did this.

egregious @ 261

Son of SCHIP: House Democrats Set For Vote on New Version Of Children’s Health Bill

Rep. Ric Keller (R-Fla.)…has suffered through a barrage of advertisements from Democratic allies accusing him of forsaking children. [snip]

…Democratic leadership aides said they sense that enough Republicans are ready for the issue to go away that they will vote for the new proposal. At a contentious House GOP meeting with Leavitt on Tuesday night, wavering Republicans pledged that they would stand with the president. But others quietly voiced concerns that the SCHIP showdown is taking a toll on their political prospects.

egr bold

We did this.

*S*

Dark and chilly in Upstate New York. Lots of fog but does not look like any rain today.

Nice piece in the WaPo about how Waxman is becoming a nightmare for the administration. Multiple investigations by an experienced Congressional staff. Enjoy.

Good morning.

cinnamonape @ 202

Thanks for a most interesting and informative response. You’ve pointed me in the right direction.

Mornin’ all!

Good morning selise, is Waxman Rice this morning?

Elliott @ 262

egregious @ 261

Son of SCHIP: House Democrats Set For Vote on New Version Of Children’s Health Bill

egr bold

We did this.

*S*

Republicans don’t support our children any better than they support our troops. Time to elect more and better democrats, so we can get something done about both problems.

Turkey’s patience with PKK running out says Gul

President Abdullah Gul warned the PKK on Thursday that Turkey’s patience was running out after Turkish forces said they repelled a Kurdish guerrilla attack near the Iraqi border.

Ankara has massed as many as 100,000 troops along the mountainous border ahead of a possible cross-border operation to crush around 3,000 rebels of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) who use northern Iraq as a launchpad for attacks on Turkey…

Hey Elliott, rainy…that’s good for you guys? I can never remember who wants rain except for raven and for our SD pups.

Gen George Joulwan (ret)
up on CSPAN on Military Contractors

Sec of State report

egregious @ 268

Good morning selise, is Waxman Rice this morning?

yup.

10 am – House Oversight and Government Reform
Hearing with Secretary Rice on Iraq

webstream at the committee’s website and on c-span3.

egregious @ 271

Hey Elliott, rainy…that’s good for you guys? I can never remember who wants rain except for raven and for our SD pups.

We can use it but we weren’t needy. Not like raven and the others.

I must admit that I haven’t had time to read the over night comments. Was there any news about Loo Hoo?

egregious @ 261

Son of SCHIP: House Democrats Set For Vote on New Version Of Children’s Health Bill

Rep. Ric Keller (R-Fla.)…has suffered through a barrage of advertisements from Democratic allies accusing him of forsaking children. [snip]

…Democratic leadership aides said they sense that enough Republicans are ready for the issue to go away that they will vote for the new proposal. At a contentious House GOP meeting with Leavitt on Tuesday night, wavering Republicans pledged that they would stand with the president. But others quietly voiced concerns that the SCHIP showdown is taking a toll on their political prospects.

egr bold

We did this.

LTEs and roots voices in these Congresscritters’ Districts…bring on the noise….ratchet up the pressure. We’re in a cross country, not a sprint.

Good morning Prairie! We’ve been good little noisemakers on SCHIP, haven’t we.

Things Come Undone @ 253

Torture by proxy is a warcrime I want accountability the buck stops at Bush!

Isn’t there a video of Bush telling someone from an Arab nation that when we capture terrorists, we’ll send them to you for interrogation? Proves 2 things. He knew ‘enhanced interrogation’ was illegal and he was willing to outsource torture.

egregious @ 264

Nice piece in the WaPo about how Waxman is becoming a nightmare for the administration. Multiple investigations by an experienced Congressional staff. Enjoy.

eg -

You just made my morning, darlin’!

So much fun stuff there but this was especially nice:

Republicans have their share of complaints. They say that Waxman’s staff cuts corners, plays “gotcha” with witnesses and committee Republicans, bypasses GOP staff members by interviewing witnesses rather than depositioning them, and would rather investigate than legislate. But even some of them speak with grudging admiration.

Dog bless Mr. Henry! First, rain earlier today and now a smashing article on my hero. *G*

Loo Hoo’s neighborhood is OK, whew!

Mouthpiece from rice’s panel on security practices in Iraq now on Washington Journal.

morning. Talk about Rice makes me think of this. But then, I haven’t had my cawfee yet.

Scarecrow morning wisdom in the new thread:

SCHIP Is Back: House Vote Today