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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/24/coercion-caregivers-bad-healthcare/#comment-1056345</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055608&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JPL @ 93&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055605&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 91&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone who actually works for a living should vote for a candidate other than Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If she is the nominee, I’ll probably vote fore her even though I live in GA. As angry as I am at the dems, there is not another party that I can support.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My view is that the Republicans have to be made as irrelevant as the Whigs or Mugwumps….meanwhile electing as many progressives as is possible. THEN we start to remake the Democratic Party. There are 70-80% of Democrats that are actually acceptable…get rid of the “Quislings” and the oarty will start to work for the people once again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh…and get rid of corporate contributions to campaigns…THEY AREN’T PERSONS, Constitutionally. They have no more right to contribute in Congressional campaigns than other non-citizens.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1055608"><em>JPL @ 93</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1055605"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 91</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Anyone who actually works for a living should vote for a candidate other than Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.</p>
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<p>If she is the nominee, I’ll probably vote fore her even though I live in GA. As angry as I am at the dems, there is not another party that I can support.</p>
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<p>My view is that the Republicans have to be made as irrelevant as the Whigs or Mugwumps….meanwhile electing as many progressives as is possible. THEN we start to remake the Democratic Party. There are 70-80% of Democrats that are actually acceptable…get rid of the “Quislings” and the oarty will start to work for the people once again.</p>
<p>Oh…and get rid of corporate contributions to campaigns…THEY AREN’T PERSONS, Constitutionally. They have no more right to contribute in Congressional campaigns than other non-citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/24/coercion-caregivers-bad-healthcare/#comment-1056340</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055599&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 85&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055590&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 76&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
See, if everyone had been buying American all this time…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;of course aren’t the requirements set by Congress for what can be said to be “American Made” these days pretty dodgy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe it is 51% of the components have to be American to be called “American made.”  Or that’s what they told us when I worked for the DLA.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And do 51% of the component have to be American made so that IT gets to called US made?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gosh! Pretty soon you could have an American made vehicle that is about 1% US manufactured…and that part made in Saipan!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1055599"><em>dakine01 @ 85</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1055590"><em>Elliott @ 76</em></a></p>
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See, if everyone had been buying American all this time…</p>
<p>of course aren’t the requirements set by Congress for what can be said to be “American Made” these days pretty dodgy.</p>
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<p>I believe it is 51% of the components have to be American to be called “American made.”  Or that’s what they told us when I worked for the DLA.</p>
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<p>And do 51% of the component have to be American made so that IT gets to called US made?</p>
<p>Gosh! Pretty soon you could have an American made vehicle that is about 1% US manufactured…and that part made in Saipan!</p>
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		<title>By: P J Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>P J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The first job I had was electronics assembly. The swing-shift people wanted to organize - they asked in the UAW. The company didn’t fuss about it much that I noticed, but the union didn’t have much to offer us - we were actually paid pretty close to what the bigger companies were paying, the hours were okay, the conditions were decent, the bosses were nice people. It did go to an election; I heard the final vote was something like 180-20 against. (Hell, we almost all turned in cards, simply because it was the easiest way to deal with it.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first job I had was electronics assembly. The swing-shift people wanted to organize &#8211; they asked in the UAW. The company didn’t fuss about it much that I noticed, but the union didn’t have much to offer us &#8211; we were actually paid pretty close to what the bigger companies were paying, the hours were okay, the conditions were decent, the bosses were nice people. It did go to an election; I heard the final vote was something like 180-20 against. (Hell, we almost all turned in cards, simply because it was the easiest way to deal with it.)</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055544&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bustednuckles @ 36&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Katy,&lt;br /&gt;
My dad was in the Operating Engineers for 35 yrs.&lt;br /&gt;
He was on Capitol hill lobbying for them towards the end.&lt;br /&gt;
You are right, me and your dad would see eye to eye.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055553&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TexBetsy @ 44&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Let me remind us all, less we forget, that the early American union movement was quite violent. My Great Grandfather was IWW. Far as I’m concerned, the bastard bosses deserve what they get. Only thing is, when you’re gonna sandbag the bosses, you need the cooperation of the town. Nothing like CUSTOMERS who won’t cross a picket line.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Good evening all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I live in a right-to-get-fired  state and am amazed at how many of my colleagues and neighbors are anti-union.  We no longer have labor news in our newspapers or on TV and there’s almost no education in school about the history of unions in this country and what they did to build the American middle class.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1055544"><em>Bustednuckles @ 36</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Katy,<br />
My dad was in the Operating Engineers for 35 yrs.<br />
He was on Capitol hill lobbying for them towards the end.<br />
You are right, me and your dad would see eye to eye.</p>
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<p><a href="#comment-1055553"><em>TexBetsy @ 44</em></a><br />
Let me remind us all, less we forget, that the early American union movement was quite violent. My Great Grandfather was IWW. Far as I’m concerned, the bastard bosses deserve what they get. Only thing is, when you’re gonna sandbag the bosses, you need the cooperation of the town. Nothing like CUSTOMERS who won’t cross a picket line.</p>
<blockquote><p>Good evening all.</p>
<p>I live in a right-to-get-fired  state and am amazed at how many of my colleagues and neighbors are anti-union.  We no longer have labor news in our newspapers or on TV and there’s almost no education in school about the history of unions in this country and what they did to build the American middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055624&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JPL @ 108&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not bad start, but I did think of something made in the USA, major league bats.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And official major league ball &lt;a href=&quot;http://geology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;sdn=geology&amp;cdn=education&amp;tm=31&amp;f=10&amp;tt=2&amp;bt=0&amp;bts=0&amp;zu=http://www.baseballrubbingmud.com/main.htm&quot;&gt;MUD!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1055624"><em>JPL @ 108</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Not bad start, but I did think of something made in the USA, major league bats.</p>
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<p>And official major league ball <a href="http://geology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&amp;sdn=geology&amp;cdn=education&amp;tm=31&amp;f=10&amp;tt=2&amp;bt=0&amp;bts=0&amp;zu=http://www.baseballrubbingmud.com/main.htm">MUD!</a></p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/24/oh-please-dont-go-there/&quot;&gt;Jane upstairs on Rudy&lt;/a&gt; with a h/t to raven!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/24/oh-please-dont-go-there/">Jane upstairs on Rudy</a> with a h/t to raven!</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Wollin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby Wollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ladies and Gents - Jane has put another dish out on the buffet upstairs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and Gents &#8211; Jane has put another dish out on the buffet upstairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve-AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve-AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055610&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When is the last time HRC had a real job?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;~1992..Hillary was the “bread winner” in the family until Bill became President. IIRC the most he earned as Gov was $35k.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1055610"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 95</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>When is the last time HRC had a real job?</p>
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<p>~1992..Hillary was the “bread winner” in the family until Bill became President. IIRC the most he earned as Gov was $35k.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Klein&#8217;s conscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055610&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When is the last time HRC had a real job?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When she worked for the Rose law firm in Little Rock.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1055610"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 95</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>When is the last time HRC had a real job?</p>
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<p>When she worked for the Rose law firm in Little Rock.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1055627&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Valley Girl @ 111&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;busted, raven and others-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I toss this out there for discussion,  re: the “where cars are made thing”.  And, it is kinda an aside to our current situation- it’s history.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but, irrc, way back when, not-American cars first  were embraced in the US bec. for their superior gas-milage- something that Detroit automakers were paying NO attention to.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Crucial point!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1055627"><em>Valley Girl @ 111</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>busted, raven and others-</p>
<p>I toss this out there for discussion,  re: the “where cars are made thing”.  And, it is kinda an aside to our current situation- it’s history.</p>
<p>but, irrc, way back when, not-American cars first  were embraced in the US bec. for their superior gas-milage- something that Detroit automakers were paying NO attention to.</p>
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<p>Crucial point!</p>
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