And you all thought you were burning up the phone lines lately.
That high, keening wail you hear is the sound of millions of right-wingers’ fears of the Scary Brown Ones being stoked by eliminationist radio and blogger personalities to a fever pitch — all because of S. 2205, the DREAM Act of 2007, a bill which comes up for a vote today and which has broad and genuinely bipartisan support.
What does it do? Stuff like this:
S.2205
Title: A bill to authorize the cancellation of removal and adjustment of status of certain alien students who are long-term United States residents and who entered the United States as children, and for other purposes.
Pretty innocuous, eh? We’re talking about kids who’ve grown up here and who see themselves as Americans, and want to be Americans. Shouldn’t this make all the “learn to speak English” crowd happy?
Of course not, as Michelle “Little Lulu” Malkin shows:
Well, it’s baaaaaaaack. Reader E.M. e-mails about the return of the DREAM Act, which gives illegal alien students special in-state college tuition discounts not available to native-born American students and legal immigrant students:
Did you actually read the bill, Michelle? Because if you did, you’d know that what you typed is a lie. Here’s the pertinent part:
SEC. 10. HIGHER EDUCATION ASSISTANCE.
Notwithstanding any provision of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1001 et seq.), with respect to assistance provided under title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1070 et seq.), an alien who adjusts status to that of a lawful permanent resident under this Act shall be eligible only for the following assistance under such title:
(1) Student loans under parts B, D, and E of such title IV, subject to the requirements of such parts.
(2) Federal work-study programs under part C of such title IV, subject to the requirements of such part.
(3) Services under such title IV, subject to the requirements for such services.
That’s emblematic of the nonsense being spewed by the righties about this bill. If you’re seeing something about it on a right-wing blog or hearing about it on right-wing radio, it’s either totally bogus or has a grain of truth in it that’s been so tortured and twisted around that it’s worse than a lie made up out of whole cloth.
There’s nineteen fence-sitting votes on this issue. If you’re not all called out this morning, you might want to give these folks a jingle.




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Phoenix Woman!
Yo raven:
So you got lucky!
Here!
good on ya, raven.
carry on! i gotta go get somethin’ done around here. the mister’s runnin’ around with paint brushes & stuff…
(((((peace)))))
Biodun @ 4
Oh yea. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.
V. Lombardi
Can someone simplify this for me?
Sorry for the OT, PW:
We have been calling our Politicians’ offices to make them aware of the need to send help from Canada … STAT !
Any Canadians on FDL, please call your MPs, MPPs and PMO !
BTW you can leave a message with Pelosi at the Speaker’s site: http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
Here was mine on Pete Stark:
raven @ 8
You mean, like, you make your own luck?
Hugh @ 10
((( Hugh )))
Standing on desk and applauding !
When I grow up – I wanna be able to write as well as Hugh…
Hugh that was astonishing. More please!
I think Michelle Malkin is pure dipshit wrapped in a ball of incredibly unintelligent self hated (She’s pro internment? look in the mirror woman), but I think you might be wrong on your analysis.
I think her point is this:
1) An illegal alien living in California with proof of residence would get in state tuition rates at all California sate schools.
2) A U.S. Citizen from Boston (Go Sox!!!) would have to pay the the out of state rate to go to a California school.
The bill doesn’t explicitly grant this so one would need to look at the residency requirement for California or whatever state that vile little Malkin is referring to.
As much as I hater her and as incompetent as she has proven to be, she probably has a reasonable point.
Q: Should an illegal pay less than a citizen for education because they reside in state?
A: Probably so because far more of their tax dollars are spent in state then the out of stater. But, reasonable to debate none the less.
PW, thanks for this post.
Why does the pro-life party hate children?
great f’n work, Hugh!
and what jayt said
jayt @ 13
I don’t know whether I’m as good a writer as Hugh, but I did stay at the Holiday Inn Express last night.
kirk murphy @ 16
Ah but Kirk! That’s just it, they aren’t pro-life, they’re only pro-fetus. Big big difference there
OT..I thought this was dead…
LaT
Does this mean that Anchors Away she’s baaaaaaaack Malkin (née Maglalang)will be relinquishing her college degree, for the good of the party.
Great letter, Hugh. Too bad Pelosi won’t properly appreciate it…*g* (appreciate used in the original meaning of the term).
Hmm – why does the pro-fetus party…
oops my head just exploded
Steve-AR @ 19
Darryl Issa proving once again he has more money than brains. And that Issa is a ass.
Dodd’s video stream made Raw:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._1023.html
Moon @ 20
She was born in the US (Philadelphia) of Filipino parents. She’s an American.
PW, please forgive this OT:
OKK, if you are still here, the best coverage I can find on San Diego is KPBS – breaking news on a twitter stream (as well as on their web site), and wall-to-wall coverage.
Good luck, OKK!
Moon @ 20
SHe was born here.
Not that her education seems to have done her any good.
huge sympathy for the people burnt out of their homes.
fires,flood,drought,storms,earthquakes
nature gives us enough to worry about
without
the time and effort given to excoriating a simple truth regarding the political reality of your executive branch of government that stands in stark contrast to the effort needed to manage successfully the natural disasters that have happened and are now happening.i wonder what your people who are now in Iraq are thinking,seeing the disastrous fires unfolding in Califonia,knowing they would be better employed helping their own country.
may @ 28
White House has stated that it is too soon for Bush to consider a trip to southern California.
Bush knows that where there is smoke . . . .
OT–but not quite (there are many dear So CA FDLers):
I’ve been away from the TeeVee for hours. Have the CA fires gotten really worse since 8 AM CT this morning?
Biodun @ 30
Yep.
OT…
link
Will the Dems still vote him out of committee when he weasels or doesn’t answer? Uhh..that would be a yes.
There are updates on CA fires and information phone numbers on calitics.com.
would it be indelicate, at this point, to speculate as to how GWB will respond to a natural disaster in a heavily R area such as Orange and San Diego counties, and to prospectively anticipate the difference with his response to what happened in New Orleans?
Yow. Just got home.
Time to hit the phone.
jayt @ 34
why on earth would it be indelicate?
no offence meant.
compare and contrast,
loud and clear.
include the state that got walloped by the twisters.
marymccurnin @ 29
Just like he knew when there’s flooding in NOLA there’s desperate….brown people.
jayt @ 34
Where’s Brownie? We’re about to lose another major American city.
OT – OC fire is getting worse… our air support has been very limited – couple little helicopters pissing on the fire… one of our supervisors had a big ol’ fit on tv (good for him)… we need some big planes before this gets worse and the winds come back up this afternoon.
Damn! Damn! Damn!
jayt @ 34
I was thinking that Bush’s visit would be just a political stunt. Then I realized that there’s lots of brush burning and W is an expert at clearing brush. I’m sure he’ll come in jeans with his sleeves rolled up to get right to work
Heard on cnn that people could check on the status of their homes at sandiego dot gov
marymccurnin @ 29
Wonder if FEMA has any place in all this?
if GW was worried about repugs here, he would send some damn planes!
this belongs downstairs but you are NOT going to believe THIS;
Badwater @ 40
Bush doesn’t have time to deal with problems in American cities doncha know. He’s too busy trying to get us into war…that’s all he cares about.
OKK
Here’s my attempt to distract you from your worry:
Via some lame MSM website:
Hill claims Bill is soooooo romantic! I think Monica, Paula, Jennifer and a few others claimed the same. :)
You and yours are in my thoughts. 22
OldCoastie @ 42
I wish that I didn’t live so far away or you could stay here. Take care.
my favorite canyons are on fire a mile or so from my house and there just isn’t and hasn’t been enough equipment.
:-(
OldCoastie @ 39
Ther’es nothing out there. The firefighters are reduced to digging trenches and such. There’s just about no air support and without that, well…
ALL the equipment is deployed already and there’s not enough, let alone any means to respond to new problems now.
It’s really bad…I can only pray that the Santa Ana winds die down.
OTOH, Spitzer acutally sounds mad. Wonder what might happen there.
I liken this to the same type of mentality limiting infrastructure and maintenance funding that led to that bridge collapse last month. No money to buy more equipment or even just upgrade the ancient stuff we do have, no money for relocating powerlines and such underground. The list goes on and on.
Best wishes to those in peril from the fire in CA.
Where are those big watertanker aircraft we always used to see on TV fighting the blazes? Is this too close to populated areas to use them?
Ann in AZ @ 41
Expect they are busy building the fence to keep the brown people out.
Badwater @ 40
This is the same man that claimed to the President of Mexico that the Secret Service would not permit him to ride a horse!
D. Hunter is saying that he’s gotten some C-130s from – somewhere (don’t ask). One is suppposed to be equipped for dropping water or fire retardants.
If there weren’t so many other fires, there’d be more support already – they’re spread way thin.
behindthefall @ 50
They were sent out earlier to help with other blazes before this one. CA is stretched thin from LA to the border.
behindthefall – no tankers in our area – that’s the problem… they are all still up in Castaic – the issue right this minute is the distribution of the equipment – it’s not looking very well planned.
perris @ 44
Link?
Be safe Old Coastie.
Thats what’s important.
peanutbutter @ 49
Hadn’t seen this comment. Yeah. I made a connection in my mind to the MN bridge collapse, but thought perhaps that was mean-spirited. Could be true? Infrastructure just allowed to rust and rot rather than bother the fatcats’ wallets? Maybe someone ought to put in a call to Canada and ask them to fly some of their special waterbombers down to get CA out of their trouble.
P J Evans @ 53
By D.Hunter, do you mean Duncan Hunter? Drastic times call for drastic measures…even drastic measures from a drastic asshole!
What about people and equipment from other states? Fairfax County VA often sends teams to stuff like this.
PW we’re sorry to hijack your excellent thread. We’re worried about our fellow pups.
OldCoastie @ 55
Thanks to you and previous commenter who answered. Thanks for info. Take care!!
Ann in AZ @ 56
LINK
Old Coastie, I’m so sorry.
No wonder Bush called FEMA – this is California’s Katrina.
Forty years of anti-community propaganda (reagan as Gov, Prop 13 [funded by Big Land and Railroads, who made out like bandits from capping property taxes on their vast holdings)..
the OC/SD county nexus of “libertarianism” (the “no-tax” movement with cannabis as a front…funded by the megacorps)..
and the 2/3 super-majority required for CA State leg spending intiatives…
ALL of the above are the bastard spawn of the most regressive forces in our action – the creeps who never stopped fighting the New Deal.
They didn’t bring the Santa Anas – they just ensured SD County and the rest of the state would unilaterally disarm as global warming dries the state and the Money Party housing policies force people into the boonies to find affordable housing.
So our ER’s can’t even meet average capacity – no surge capacity.
Our flammable state doesn’t own enough airborne water tankers to stop smaller fires before they grow into firestorms.
We don’t have enough firefighters in the whole state to deal with mass Santa Anas
All from the Rethugs who bray about National Defense poured our nation’s treasure into forty years of Pentagon boondogles and pointless wars – greatly enriching the Rethugs’ sponsors.
Which, of course, was the point.
Now a vast swath of the Southland is burning.
The moonscape left behind is the real legacy of Reagan/Prop 13/Bush.
May this catastrophe hang about the Rethugs’ necks for ever.
I’d love to see them necklaced with the fires.
Rhetorically speaking, natch.
OldCoastie @ 55
Yeah next time we need to space these fires further apart :-P
Sigh…..
Later! Gotta run to a Dr. appt.
Hugh @ 10
That’s wonderful, Hugh. Bless you.
no – its not MN bridge situation, it’s more there is just so much fire (I was born and raised here) and I’ve NEVER seen this much on fire in so many areas ever… it’s been pretty bad before, but not with so many fires in so many areas, so quickly. I haven’t heard of too much out of state help coming in either…
egregious @ 60
Stuff from Arizona’s coming, last I heard. But to where, I’m not sure. In case it’s not immediately clear, there are something like seven major wildfires all the way from north of Los Angeles clear down to the border with Mexico.
I’m really, really sorry I said all those mean things about President George
W. Bush and Vice President Richard B. Cheney. And all that stuff I said about Speaker Pelosi, I take it back. And Scooter, sorry, man, I know you were just doin’ your job. And anybody else in the Bush administration, well, just because you work for the peckerhead in chief doesn’t mean you’re one, also.
Damn. I did it again.
mc @ 69
But the effort was there. Nice try! :)
pb – Palomar just caught on fire too.
OldCoastie @ 67
Somehow I don’t that PW minds discussing this. I’m sure that she is like all of us hoping that the winds die down and the fire is contained. Do you have a place to go?
OldCoastie @ 67
San Diego in 2003 was very very similar to this. But I do agree, never quite this many at once. Still, the equipment should not be so old and in need of updating, and certainly the elements were all clearly in place for about a year prior to this: the extreme dryness, etc.
OldCoastie @ 71
Yes, they were put on mandatory evacuation about 1.5 hour ago.
PB and OC. Are you both still IN your homes?
Sending you my best thoughts.
egregious @ 60
According to our people up here, Canadian officials are coordinating with the U.S. Gov’t to send aid as the White House allows …
I mentioned to the receptionist that it’d be quicker if we invaded California, put out the fires and then pulled back to B.C.
She thought it was funny too !
yup – JPL, if we need to go, we are fine… the winds ARE down and that is why I keep wondering where the air tankers are – conditions are perfect right now and yet no show up.
Petrocelli @ 76
Please! tell them they have my permission to invade! (and that IS funny – first time I’ve laughed all day!)
OldCoastie @ 77
Kirk told me that the air tankers are useless in the present conditions … perhaps he will drop by to give us an update.
Hugh–brilliant.
Southern Californians, hang in there, from a transplanted (to the Midwest now) Northern Californian. My experiences were all earthquake-related. I’ve exchanged them for tornados and floods. Hmmm.
Has anyone heard from rwcole lately? He’s down your way too.
San Diego County Fires
Map of the Santiago Fire (Orange County)
There’s a continual twitter update for SD (listed on the SD map). Haven’t found one for OC, though I’d like to find one…?
peanutbutter @ 27
She may have been born here, but not to American citizens, and she still wants to do away with Section I of the Fourteenth Amendment. You are correct, her education doesn’t seem to have done her any good, because she still talks out of her ass.
Steve-AR @ 19
Darryl Issa proving once again he has more money than brains. And that Issa is a ass.
Wikipedia may have its problems, but I still find its article on Representative “What Stolen Cars?” Issa interesting.
Petrocelli @ 76
Thanks for the laugh! I would be *delighted* to fly the ol’ red maple flag if it would help!
My house is fine: I’m on the right side of the wind direction even though I’m pretty damn close; I’m more worried about power lines sparking something local, but the winds are no where like they were Sunday, and not as gusty as last night, so that’s definitely improving.
kdh22 @ 70
I’ll just go back to being irrelevant. ;-)
Hang in there OC, and all the other left coasters. A coworker’s elderly Mom was evacuated to the “dome.” So far the reports of her treatment have been positive-lots of volunteers providing support to evacuees, good living conditions, etc.
How many nights have you So. Cal. folks gone without sleep?
kirk murphy @ 62
Old Coastie: ((((hug)))) (You too, Kirk.)
I suppose I don’t need to tell you what Glenn Beck’s been saying about you and your neighbors, eh, Kirk? I’ll bet all the Republicans in San Diego were astonished to hear their hero Beck tell them they deserved to lose their homes and livelihoods to the firestorm.
Raven: To answer your earlier question, it’s simply that this bill helps kids who were either born here or have spent most of their lives here, and who consider themselves Americans, and whose parents are paying local and state taxes in most cases (or at least more taxes than Blackwater).
The people opposing it are waving the old “you’re giving them special rights” canard (you know, the one they use to justify keeping gay men and women from marrying?), which is, if you read the bill, bogus.
And as I said earlier, the funny thing about all this is that the antis are the same people who keep whining that all immigrants should learn and use English right away. Well, last time I looked, the best place for that is — ta-dah! A school, right?
egregious @ 60
No problem, dear. It all ties together — the same selfishness that makes the antis want to screw the kids is what also led them to starve the services that could have protected SoCal from the firestorm, if not staved it off altogether.
OldCoastie @ 78
I thought Oregon was California’s Canada?…
New thread upstairs compliments of a fellow Kawliforyian, teddysf.
peanutbutter @ 81
the OC fire map is many hours out of date unfortunately but the OC Register is doing a pretty good job nonetheless… I used to work for the water company around here in the field and I know every little canyon and how they connect to each other. Scares me, what I’m seeing on the tv – I have a pretty good idea of how this fire will travel if they don’t stop it soon.
JPL @ 85
a couple now.
Phoenix Woman @ 87
{{PW}}
Here are Joe’s Progressive Punch scores; pretty bad
All issues 76.61 46/100
Aid to Less Advantaged People, at Home & Abroad (17 subcategories) 81.08 45/99
Corporate Subsidies (14 subcategories) 66.67 17/79T
Education, Humanities, & the Arts (3 subcategories) 100.00 1/88T
Environment (15 subcategories) 71.67 29/88T
Fair Taxation (6 subcategories) 88.29 41/99
Family Planning (2 subcategories) 87.50 16/88T
Government Checks on Corporate Power (30 subcategories) 82.22 34/99
Health Care (15 subcategories) 73.33 48/99
Housing (2 subcategories) 100.00 1/88T
Human Rights & Civil Liberties (9 subcategories) 74.42 42/99
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal (7 subcategories) 70.15 42/99
Labor Rights (8 subcategories) 57.58 49/99
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful (15 subcategories) 77.20 45/99
War & Peace (17 subcategories) 48.39 51/10
Jim C @ 15
Jim C, the point you make might be reasonable (though I don’t agree with using “illegal” as a noun), but it isn’t relevant to the current version of the DREAM Act, which says nothing about whether undocumented immigrants should get some kind of mythical preference over U.S. citizens. Nothing.
Previous versions of the DREAM Act did include a provision repealing a federal law on in-state tuition, but this version doesn’t. It merely provides a mechanism for individuals who were brought here as children years ago and have grown up here, and have good moral character, to legalize their status if they graduate from high school and continue on to college or to military service. A very simple, humane, and common-sense idea.
So, Ms. Malkin’s description of the DREAM Act is… false… I’m sure you’re shocked!
From Hunter’s congressional site:
I don’t want to know how he got them. Just get them here soon.
What Sanity Said @ #93.
Go read the DREAM Act — I’ve linked to it up top, and excerpted the pertirent part that Malkin’s lying about and placed it, in its entirety, in the post.
Old Coastie, what is the situation with the Guard – has Ahnold found any that aren’t in Iraq to help in San Diego?
P J Evans @ 94
I’ll 2nd that… I’ve never liked Todd Spitzer, but he redeemed himself today – he was so mad, he scared the reporter.
it’d take 2 or 3 drops from a big-ass plane and they could get this under control… and yet, no planes! it is getting very, very bad. a couple more hours and it won’t matter…
crap!
I cannot help but wonder how many well to do rebugs in SD complained about Katrina victims saying they should have known what would happen. Sorry-just had to say it.
Hi petro – sorry I was imprecise.
THe tankers are just what we need to stop the “smaller” fires before they trun into the firestorms that create their own winds and immense plumes of hot air.
Once the “smaller” blazes grow into firestorms, the air drops are far less effective.
With a Santa Ana wind, the firestorms are even less amenable to air drops – that’s the circumstance when (I’m told) the drops are ineffective.
Petrocelli @ 79
OldCoastie @ 71
does that mean the observatory? (non-Californian, forgive me, I’m not sure what it is)
Bet y’all this guy lives in fear of the Great Brown Horde.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see this:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office just announced to the press that she sees no reason to fight fires and is annoyed that there are reports of a massive fire in Southern California. Pelosi added, “Fighting fires is off the table!”
Now, back to your regularly scheduled farce.