Well, as far as the Republican presidential candidates go, I think it’s safe to say that the NYT is rooting for the home team. At the Right-Wing Religious Nuts Values Voter Summit, Rudy Giuliani got only 1.85% of the votes in the Family Research Council straw poll, which placed him well behind Undecided (5.7%) and every other Republican candidate except John McCain (1.4%). Not only that, but when the Values Voters voted on which candidates would be the “least acceptable,” he got almost twice as many votes as famed madrassa student Barack Hussein Obama (9.2% to 4.8%).
So how did the NYT cover this debacle?
In the paper’s front-page article, it was Giuliani’s name that adorned the headline and that anchored the first sentence, it was Giuliani’s image that appeared in the article, and it was Giuliani’s speech that was excerpted. And at the newspaper’s website, it was Giuliani’s Values Voter speech that was available in video form. He was the only GOP candidate to receive that kind of all-hands-on-deck weekend coverage from the Times.
(…)
Indeed, the Times’ news account could have been written by Giuliani’s communications team, emphasizing how the candidate courageously came to face his most distrusting critics and how, through the power of “direct talk,” he (allegedly) won them over. That’s great spin. It just didn’t reflect reality. And neither did the Times’ reporting.
(…)
This was the print edition headline:
Religious Right Divides Its Vote
At Meeting, 2 Are Close — Giuliani is PraisedThe “2″ referred to Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, who finished a close one-two in the straw poll. Yet neither man was mentioned by name in The New York Times headline, and neither man was mentioned in the article’s opening sentence. Giuliani, however, was. Notice also that Giuliani was singled out for distinction in the headline for drawing “praise.”
How many people were quoted in The New York Times article actually praising Giuliani’s speech? One.
The New York Times appears to have performed its own version of the miracle of the loaves and the fishes on Giuliani’s Values Voter support, while performing the same trick in reverse on his “least acceptable” rating, which it mentions only in passing at the tail end of a Caucus blog entry.
This is a very interesting form of media wankery: Usually they stick to stories that make Republicans look undeservedly good, and/or Democrats undeservedly bad. But in this case, NYT is shamelessly promoting one Republican over other Republicans, and they appear to be the only major publication doing so. I can’t think of an angle, other than that they just want to prop up the hometown guy… or else they’re afraid to piss him off.
Of course, it goes without saying that the NYT will do the same for Hillary, right? Why, we could have an all-New York election! It would be just like a Subway Series, but with warmongers!
UPDATE: From the comments, I think amberglow may have found a reason…
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ELI!!!!
Eli: Why, we could have an all-New York election! It would be just like a Subway Series, but with warmongers!
__________
Brilliant !
So what IS a free press, eh?
I’m in a good mood tonight. I like Dodd and Edwards.
LAURA!!!!
Eli!!!
I have suspected for a while that the WH and/or media is covertly designating Guiliani as the successor. This odd story seems to support that…
CTuttle!!!
peanutbutter @ 7
Except in this instance, it appears to be specific to the NYT.
zed?
OT for OKK- I am so happy to hear that your daughter is well. What a relief for you, and for all of us here.
Eli, I have given all my extra exclamation points for the night to YOU.
OKK, so glad to hear re: your daughter.
PB and all other S. CA pups, please stay safe.
‘We can’t stop it’ MSNBC staff and news service reportsUpdated: 8 minutes ago
Officials all but concede defeat to wildfires as estimated 1 million evacuate
SAN DIEGO – Faced with unrelenting winds whipping wildfires into a frenzy across Southern California, firefighters conceded defeat on many fronts Tuesday to an unstoppable force that has chased an estimated 1 million people away.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21431682/
The American Red Cross has set up a service for evacuees to register their status and for loved ones to search for evacuees. Either call 1-800-REDCROSS or go to disastersafe.redcross.org.
Eli @ 8
Which is not to say that I don’t think Rudy probably is Teh Anointed One.
I was sure Mitt was officially out in the cold when they ran that story about his great-great-great-grandfather or whatever being a polygamist, but the media seems to have warmed up to him.
Laura Doty @ 11
Thank you, I am honored! I’ll try to use them all up before Late Nite!!
It is dark here in Arizona now. Spooky reading about Ghouliani after the sun has set.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
Thank goodness she’s alright, OKK !
Dont forget Frontline on PBS
Valley Girl @ 10
Seconded.
We really, really need an environmental president. California is demonstrating that aptly.
AZ Matt @ 15
LOL
Petrocelli @ 2
And Rupert Murdoch supports them both!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
Good news about your daughter OKK. I know it’s a relief. Peace!
behindthefall @ 18
***
And lo, it was thirded…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
I’m mulling over ‘Dodd/Whitehouse’.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Yep, when the heck is Gore gonna throw his hat in ?
You guys are great… kiddo
Heh, as Raw Story pointed out: “The text voting showed Paul had edged his nearest competitor, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, by seven percentage points, and trounced Rudy Giuliani — the leader in many national telephone polls — by a margin of 23.”
This was Faux Spew’s own Text poll after the debate… ;-)
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 21
… just keeping it all in the family, huh ?!!
behindthefall @ 24
Even if I didn’t already like him (although very disappointed that he voted in favor of telecom immunity), I *really* want Whitehouse to be president someday, if for not other reason than that the thought of a “Whitehouse White House” just cracks me up.
If Tony Snow ever ran for president, I would probably have to think about it for a few seconds before voting against him…
Oy vey.
Six dead now, BTW.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 26
We care and have to take care of the puplets. Blessings.
Petrocelli @ 25
Petro, ya must have pilfered my stash! He ain’t gonna run…! 8-(
CTuttle @ 32
I think he will.
Are these people insane?
Has someone turned off all the income air to the building and they are going into anoxia?
What has happened to the New York Times?
Nutters. Complete nutters.
Toby Wollin @ 34
That’s why it’s The Gray Lady. Lack of oxygen.
Toby Wollin @ 34
This is not exactly a new development at the Grey Lady.
It is going to Edwards or Gore by a landslide.
behindthefall @ 24
Unfortunately, though it would be a good ticket emotionally, with Dodd from CT and Whitehouse from RI, it won’t happen.
Dodd/Feingold on the other hand…
I was really impressed by Dodd today. The NYT should be supporting him!
Does anybody in NYC actually like Rudy?
Blub @ 40
*Someone* sure does.
Valley Girl @ 36
Thank god, Krugman’s still there…
Blub @ 40
Not too many people who can actually qualify as sane.
Does anybody know a good source of crossword puzzles besides the Friday/Saturday NYT? It’s getting to be the only reason for buying the rag.
Blub @ 40
hey, are you in SD area? Christy was worrying about you earlier.
Eli @ 35
Quick..someone hold up a mirror and see if she can fog it. If not, just call up the morgue.
Hiya Eli.
How can a big newspaper like the New York Times be so misleading and dishonest? Is it the reporters or the editors? Who makes the headlines?
CTuttle @ 42
And Herbert. And Rich can be pretty good when he’s aiming at Dubya instead of the netroots…
Eli @ 41
I’m sure Fenway will extend the same Bronx greetings… ;-)
Or Darth Cheney told the NYTimes to love them some Rudi.
Ah, the Gray Lady is a Giuliana Girl, huh?
“Why, we could have an all-New York election! It would be just like a Subway Series…”
As someone who works sometimes for Conglomerate Media outlets, I can almost guarantee this was said around the table at a manager’s meeting, and then there was a resounding, “Let’s do it!” Disturbing to think about…
SnarKassandra @ 47
In this case, it’s a lot more than just the headline.
dakine01 @ 38
Some of us think that carrying Southern New England is all that counts! ;)
SnarKassandra @ 47
Cassie – in the old days (1974, when I worked on a newspaper), the copy desk got the story copy and the “slot man”(the head of the copy desk) would assign so many spaces that the copy editor had to use to make the headline. don’t know how it is done now.
I think they are playing up the HRC and Obama stuff, for news “shock” effect, when it all falls apart.
I’m tellin’ ya, it’s gonna be Edwards and/or Gore, if he runs.
Unless, of course, the “coup” fully succeeds. They are 4/5ths of the way there. We are one “incident” from…ya know…the neocons attempting to stay forever, but…the powers that be, whoever they are, know there will be a revolution if they try it….
Edwards and/or Gore….landslide.
Cassie’s back!!
behindthefall @ 53
Having lived and voted in NH, MA, and CT (as well as upstate NY), I think I understand the point.
Eli- I suppose it is also vaguely possible that this is a stealth campaign by the NYT… to choose the worst R candidate to run against a Dem. Naw…. probably not.
Alright….Larry King just slipped in, “Valerie Flame Wilson” in the tease for his show. Mofo!
Grrrrrrrrrrrr.
Valley Girl @ 58
Yeah, I seriously doubt it. My other thought was that they were trying to pre-emptively head off concerns about his fundie cred if he were to win the nomination, but that really doesn’t make any sense. No-one would remember this story by election time.
behindthefall @ 53
Harrumph. “Southern New England” is an oxymoron.
behindthefall @ 56
I didn’t go on vacation silly! I just went to school.
CTuttle @ 32
Dood, I thought he would declare soon after the Nobel Prize but he’s putting it off for a couple of weeks.
This Cal. disaster should light a fire in him. The toughest thing Gore has to decide is who to choose as his running mate … I nominate Edwards.
LS @ 59
I think this is probably more basic dumbassery than anything else.
As much as I love Dodd, especially for his recent action on behalf of our founding principles, Democrats haven’t had good success running New Englanders for President. We’ve run three since 1960, and only one of them won (…or did he?).
dakine01 @ 38
I’d support Whitehouse of AG, but honestly, I think I like him right where he is.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
So glad to hear that your daughter is safe and sound, OKK. I can only imagine how I would feel if one of my children were out there.
Incidentally, the Red Cross has a “Safe and Well” list up https://disastersafe.redcross.org/
if anyone wants to check or report on someone out there.
LS @ 59
As Abrams pointed out, in his ‘Beat the Press’ segment, Repeatedly…!
Did y’all know the NSA is recruiting kids to be spies?
((((Blub))))
LS @ 59
If you are watching last nite’s interview, that’s not the only disappointment. Larry doesn’t really “get” traitorgate — too many friends of his on the wrong side of the law, I suspect.
Eli @ 64
And does that not neatly sum up this entire administration?
SnarKassandra @ 62
It’s been a l-o-o-o-n-g day, Cassie.
Ish @ 66
Yup … I’d love to see Whitehouse on the SJC for the next 12 years or more, perhaps as Senate Majority Leader.
egregious @ 72
No, there’s a lot more evil than dumbassery there.
Eli @ 64
I don’t think so. I heard Specter say it 2X the other day. If dumb me knows it’s Plame, the Senator and Larry King know it too.
They are playing with her.
Petrocelli @ 62
That would be awesome, but, then reality sets in and I’m bummed… don’t bogart it now…! *g*
TeddySanFran @ 65
Yes, he did. A Republican USA ran the investigation and couldn’t find any evidence for the Nixon-backers story.
Sigh. Nostalgia for the days when there were actual honest Republicans.
Eli @ 75
You know, maybe it’s a bit of both. Some of it is dumbassery that morphs into evil; other things maybe evil from the getgo.
LS @ 76
They’re being cute – those silly zombies! What a yuckfest!
Ish @ 66
My theory is that you put the guy with the firehose upstream of the swamp that needs cleaning out, and right now he’s just the juniorest guy in a hide-bound committee which is not proving itself to be capable of even getting answers from the people it is supposed to be overseeing.
Eli @ 64
Be nice to Larry … he’s the last surviving link to our Reptilian ancestry ! *g*
hackworth @ 80
We’ll see if they start referring to “the Flameocrat Party”…
GordonM @ 78
As well, if Nixon had contested the Chicago vote, all the corrupt voting in southern Illinois would have been exposed.
Petrocelli @ 82
Don’t insult TRex!
Eli @ 13
I’ve suspected Mittmo was the chosen since the beginning, with a few exceptions like the NYT. He’s smooth, good-looking, and articulate (doesn’t mean he makes sense), and that makes it easy for the Conglomerate Media bobbleheads, just ask Bill Clinton. They’ll downplay or ignore all of his zaniness and Mormonism to get the Repube base rallied behind him. He’s an easy “sell.” The other Repube candidates….not so much.
The fluff has definitely been rising in the last few weeks about Mittmo. I mean, his tough guy act about his sons living in an RV to elect Mittmo as the scarifice to the country, instead of fighting in Iraq, man, don’t you think that would have ended any of the Dems campaigns if they’d said that? Mittmo said that, and hardly a blip in the Conglomerate Media radar. We got a long road ahead us….
ATTACKKKKKK!!!
PeterK @ 79
I think the Bushies are evil first and stupid second.
dakine01 @ 84
OK. How’s this: Sigh, nostalgia for the days when there were actual intelligent Republicans.
dakine01 @ 84
Well, all that was before the Red Sox broke The Curse. Everything is different now. *crosses fingers*
GordonM and PeterK- OT, but any sense of the Allen/ Collins match? Or, any thing else pertinent we need to know, about the mood among Mainers?
GordonM @ 88
Before my time, I’m afraid. I’m only 38.
GordonM @ 88
I think that might have even been in my lifetime.
Eli @ 83
You might have something there. Maybe the Flameocrat Party would present a viable opposition party.
Lighting fires under asses and welcoming people of all sexual persuasions – The Flameocrat Party.
Eli @ 75
As one who believes there exists actual Biblical kind of evil, I grant you this point. But the overall stupidity level of how the government is being run…I am in anguish over the fire fighting equipment the Guard needs, but which is in Iraq.
They just really don’t care, do they? SD is a pretty heavily Repub district, let’s see what they think about having virtually no government now. Unless their conclusion is yay private fire and police/Blackwater. Always a possibility.
Eli @ 87
90% evil and 10% stupid. Except Cheney. He is 100% evil.
SnarKassandra @ 85
Didn’t we already decide that TRex was the last link to our … um … Avian ancestry ?!!
egregious @ 94
I think sometimes the Evil Apathy manifests as Stupidity.
Good catch, Eli. Articles this slanted do not happen by accident and without an editor noticing. What typifies them is not simply the bias or that it all runs one way but that there is so little attempt to hide or mask it. There was an article recently by David Herzenhorn recently on problems between Democratic leaders and their base. Who did he get for expert advice? A Republican member of the House.
Writing as bad as what so often shows up at the Times is not just the result of bad journalism but bad editing, and that road leads straight to Bill Keller the Executive Editor and Pinch Sulzberger the publisher.
egregious @ 94
The fundies will simply say that it was god’s will and that they had not been praying enough. End of story.
Hugh @ 98
… and Murdoch ?!! (rhetorical)
Twain @ 99
And they have too many gay people and women senators and it is the same state as Hollywood.
Forgive. No time to read post much less comments. Screed sent to Grandmaw:
Who owns you, Madam Speaker?
You have abdicated your responsibilities to defend the Constitution quite as though you belonged to the authoritarian bloc that has taken control of this country.
What you did to Pete Stark, whose words were but a shadow of what I would say to the House about the miserable examples of humankind that lurk in and circle the White House, and to you as well, Madam.
You have betrayed the voters who replaced the majority, and you have violated your oath to defend the Constitution.
Either you are wholly owned by the corporate oligarchy, or you are hopelessly naive, or. Or much worse.
I was holding back.
Hugh @ 98
I read a profile of Sulzberger a couple of years ago – he could be Dubya’s *twin*.
Valley Girl @ 90
Haven’t heard much lately, except that Collins raised more money (maybe 1/3 more) than Allen in the last reporting period. My gut feeling is that she is in for a real challenge because of her support for the war. But it’s early days.
FWIW (not much, I think) her office staff seems quite overwhelmed–I’ve been trying to arrange a meeting with her since last summer, and it takes them weeks to call back.
Hypatia @ 102
Way to go !
Eli @ 97
Banality was never the right word. Stupidity it is.
Eli you have the coolest blog.
egregious @ 106
Yeah, I don’t think banality really works for BushCo, except maybe Gonzo and possibly Condi. There’s too much smirk and sneer and swagger. The viciousness is too close to the surface.
Valley Girl @ 90
That is hard to say. There are very few real polls conducted in Maine (like only 2 in the 2004 elections). There was one quoted on KOS that looked depressing, but Americablog has a pretty good take on it.
I suspect Maine is a pretty difficult place to poll, since most Mainers play it close to the vest and don’t like prying questions.
I’ve seen Obama, Edwards and Kucinich bumper stickers. No GOP bumper stickers at all, nor any touching on Collins / Allen. In fact, dead silence from all of the die-hard Republicans in my area. Suspect many of them will either stay home or secretly vote Dem.
SnarKassandra @ 107
Your blog is pretty impressive too, Cassie. And don’t forget to mention it when you apply to College!
SnarKassandra @ 107
Hey, thanks! It’s actually kinda gone downhill – I’m just gotten too damn lazy.
oh, stop it. the times is offensive almost reflexively, but this coverage doesn’t rise to the level of being sinful.
giuliani is the hometown former mayor who has been a frontrunner so far in polling that’s more than a year out from the election, with the primaries still months off. none of this means anything.
there’s a joke in the industry about boosterism, that if a guy from boston was involved in the start of the rapture, the globe’s headline would be something like: HUB MAN INJURED; Judgment Day Nigh.
that’s all this is.
egregious @ 94
Well, the nuts like Beck are happy SD is burning cuz the people there hate America.
Eli @ 111
But it LOOKS cool!
PeterK @ 110
But not at work.
Hugh @ 98
Laziness, not checking/verifying sources, patriotism, deference to the party that holds the national office, honest mistakes, bad editing, rapid deadlines, dangerous circumstances, etc. have been poor excuses for a media that is complicit in the acts of the Bush Administration and the Republican party. Except for rare exceptions, the MSM has been an active participant – a member of the Coalition of the Willing in the War on Cognitive Thinking.
Hugh @ 98
How can a serious grown man have the name of Pinch?
GordonM @ 109
One should also keep in mind that the whole state knows Collins, while Allen is pretty unfamiliar in the second district (roughly the Northern half) since he is Congresscritter from the first (ME only has two). So she has better name recognition at the moment.
Eli, what is that statue?
TeddySanFran @ 117
it’s not like he likes it, i assure you.
dmg @ 112
If they had simply focused on Rudy, that would have been okay. But they weren’t even remotely accurate about it, and *that’s* what makes it wankery.
Teddy, when I am grown I will be Cassandra and not Cassie. Much more sophisticated.
SnarKassandra @ 114
I *am* pretty pleased with the design… which I had very little to do with.
AZ Matt @ 113
And I would almost believe it since much of San Diego and Orange County are the reich wing Rs who do seem to hate much of what America is supposed to be about.
But the ones I believe hate America and what it stands for are probably not the same ones Beck is thinking of.
And nature could really not care what Beck or I either one think.
PeterK @ 118
The Dem nominees just have to keep singing one tune … “the Rep. nominee = GWB43″ … he is the anchor around all their necks and the ‘08 election should be a cakewalk …
SnarKassandra @ 119
Which statue?
PeterK @ 104
Thanks for the report. Not sure it is only fwiw that you have not been able to meet with her because of overwhelmed staff. Maybe she just didn’t think you “issue” would make political points.
I’d guess, tho, from your report, that the Allen/ Collins contest is not much of a local topic. At least, not yet.
Are you in ME-01, or ME-02? I guess the latter, fwiw.
Eli @ 126
On the “you’re fired for having a blog” site
Eli @ 121
i’m sorry, the link i clicked through to had the correct votes cast, didn’t it? what wasn’t remotely accurate?
the material on giuliani was b-matter written ahead of the tabulations.
where’s the wankery?
i yield to no one my disdain for the lazy spoonfed pack journalism the times all too often defaults into — the political coverage there is so damn weak sometimes.
but this isn’t that. unless you believe that the chief news executives are distorting coverage to help a preferred candidate, and i think you’re far too astutue to contend that’s what’s happening here.
SnarKassandra @ 122
Your name, like my own given name, provides you with many options, which you may find yourself choosing from, as I did, as your life experience carries you along: Cassie, Cass, Sandra, Andy, Cassandra, Andra, MamaCass….
TeddySanFran @ 117
How can a grown man have a name like Scooter?
Evening, all, from smokin’ San Diego. Things are calming down a little. Winds are down, humidity is up (12% now!) Hope all is well with the SoCal pups. Any word from LooHoo?
SnarKassandra @ 128
Oh, I have no idea.
PeterK @ 118
Yes, and I admit to feeling kind of proud of Michaud who has made a lot of progress in the last year or so (last year I asked the Hancock county Dem leadership if there was anyone – maybe Hannah Pingree – who could mount a progressive challenge, but Mike seems to be catching on).
Valley Girl @ 127
I’m ME-02. As mentioned, haven’t seen much about it in the news lately.
Yes, she doesn’t know me from Adam, so that’s the response an ordinary citizen gets. For a while I thought the lack of response might have been connected with a letter I had in the Bangor paper re her voting against habeas corpus, but clearly it wasn’t (her staff person hasn’t even asked what I wanted to talk about).
hi ‘pups. didya give ol’ Nan a piece of your mind? Here’s what i wrote:
I am appalled at your attack on Representative Stark, a man who has the courage to speak the truth.
With what are the Republicans blackmailing you?
When you became Speaker I applauded. Now I will apologize to all my friends, family, and acquaintances for such a lapse in judgement on my part.
SnarKassandra @ 122
You might consider relocating to a Spanish speaking country if you don’t want your name shortened. They will call you Cassandra all day long in Costa Rica, for example. In the US – not likely. Unless you are the top dog and you demand it of your subordinates, in the USA, most everyone will always prefer to take the shortcut. We’re in a big hurry all the time, dontcha know. ;)
TeddySanFran @ 130
Andy is my brother’s name. When we were little my daddy called us Andy & Sandy and I changed to Cassie as soon as I learned about rhyming words.
dmg @ 129
The whole narrative and tone of the article was that this was some kind of courageous success where he won over some of the Christian conservatives, and there is simply no evidence to support it. Also, if you read the Media Matters piece, it looks like the NYT is the only major paper to say Rudy got a standing O. It sounds like a few people stood, but most of the attendees were pretty damn underwhelmed.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 135
You capture my sentiments exactly.
SnarKassandra @ 122
Which name do you prefer right now?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 135
WOW ! That’s amazing, NDFG !
PeterK @ 140
Most of my friends call me Cass. Not sure what I like best.
GordonM @ 109
GordonM- thanks to you too for the report.
And, now that you’ve pointed out, about Mainers being hard to poll, that makes total sense. I can’t translate it into true Mainer speak, but I can well imagine a response to a poll question about “do you favor”? the response would start with “ayup”, and then ~ none of your business.
No local gossip from Tradewinds?
Valley Girl @ 45
oh.. thanks for asking. We’re fine.. deep in the city.. just trying to help wherever possible. It’s a mess up north, and to the south as well.. and the air’s unbreathable. The ‘burbs are burning. Mike Davis once called the developers responsible for the most irresponsible forms of sprawl ‘arsonists’.. he may hsve a point.
Stop the war. Bring the National Guard home. We need them here.
Blub @ 144
Guess that leaves RW unheard from.
Southern Cali. The largest movement of people since the Civil War.
Valley Girl @ 143
Tradewinds? Wuzzat?
Eli @ 138
Was the booing of Rudy at the Yankees game mentioned – or the disdain of the firefighters, or the bad radio ripoff/fiasco?
The crossdressing? The office? The wives? Bernie Kerrick? A bl*w j*b for color, perhaps?
Valley Girl @ 143
Nope, but I’ve been kind of distracted (sold my house to an insane buyer from SC who clearly doesn’t understand how things work around here).
The maples are bare from the last storm. The oaks are just beginning to turn (always the last to go). A couple mild frosts last week. First hard frost expected in a few days.
here’s the point:
you were able to divine that the writer wasn’t able to make this case you say he was trying to, right?
what makes you think other readers are not also able to draw the same conclusion?
in truth, they are.
thus, this is mere hackery; i assure you that sulzberger wasn’t involved, keller wasn’t involved; i will bet the rent that they didn’t even know the paper was running this account. any editor involved is a decidedly lower one. the reporter is deployed from the metro desk, and might not even be a full-timer.
as i said, the times commits many sins. but if you cry wolf on something like this — a nothingburger story months before the first primary, where you’re invoking the unseen hand of the upper management of the paper — it diminishes the power of your argument when it’s time to make it.
PeterK @ 148
The name of the Blue Hill Hannaford’s affiliate.
If what’s going on San Diego doesn’t make a non-believer into a believer in “global warming”, what will?
Fern,
Basically, the entire northern suburban belt has been evacuated.. that includes where rwcole lives. I’m not absolutely sure where, but the most likely evac center for rw (him or her?) would be Del Mar fairgrounds/racetrack.
GordonM @ 152
Is that the one “on the hill” (where you turn to go to B H Falls)?
dmg @ 151
The thing is, I assume that the media have an agenda on *every* political story. And this one was so strongly “Yay, Rudy!” even in the face of a fiasco, that I can’t believe it would have been permitted to run as such without getting toned down, unless someone wanted it to.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 153
It shouldn’t even be about belief.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 153
Global warming non-believers are most likely Revelations believers. In other words, nothing will.
Blub @ 154
does the evac area include cardiff? i used to live there, way back in the day.
GordonM @ 150
You sold your house? Living where now?
Sold your house to “an insane buyer from SC who clearly doesn’t understand how things work around here”…. pardon me while I laugh! How did you manage to pull that off?
PeterK @ 155
Ayup. That’s “Tenney Hill”. Used to be Largay’s before it burned down.
George W. Bush has been telling us for how long? That there is no scientific evidence to support human facilitation of global warming.
PeterK @ 155
No- outside BH in the direction of Brooksville- other side of town. Right next to the fancy new RiteAid, behind the gas station (name?) that used to only have human attendants, and now has no human attendants.
Hey GordonM, when the rethugs are gone and we have our Democracy and Constitution back, we should have an FDL party up here. It’s such a beautiful place, and it would be great to meet all these people, don’t you think?
And of course the President has decided it’s in the best interests of the country for him to travel to So. Cal. and do a photo-opp.
Valley Girl @ 160
It’s a long, long story. I’m now taking care of my 92 year old parents (hospice care for my mom – which is not a big deal, she’s actually quite cheerful about it). Still in Sedgwick.
Not really sure how I pulled it off, but I’m now out of debt for the first time in a really long time (and that is a big deal!).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 165
He might actually deliver on aid promises, since they’re His People.
GordonM- oops- yes, I remember it being Largay’s, but I would not have described it as “where you turn to got to BH falls”. Sounds more like that other place, across from where RiteAid used to be.
Speaking of Podhoretz and Ghouliani… Fareed Zakaria nails it:
The American discussion about Iran has lost all connection to reality. Norman Podhoretz, the neoconservative ideologist whom Bush has consulted on this topic, has written that Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is “like Hitler … a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international system and to replace it in the fullness of time with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamofascism.” For this staggering proposition Podhoretz provides not a scintilla of evidence.
-snip-
When the relatively moderate Mohammed Khatami was elected president in Iran, American conservatives pointed out that he was just a figurehead. Real power, they said (correctly), especially control of the military and police, was wielded by the unelected “Supreme Leader,” Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Now that Ahmadinejad is president, they claim his finger is on the button. (Oh wait, Iran doesn’t have a nuclear button yet and won’t for at least three to eight years, according to the CIA, by which point Ahmadinejad may not be president anymore. But these are just facts.)
In a speech last week, Rudy Giuliani said that while the Soviet Union and China could be deterred during the cold war, Iran can’t be. The Soviet and Chinese regimes had a “residual rationality,” he explained. Hmm. Stalin and Mao—who casually ordered the deaths of millions of their own people, fomented insurgencies and revolutions, and starved whole regions that opposed them—were rational folk. But not Ahmadinejad, who has done what that compares? One of the bizarre twists of the current Iran hysteria is that conservatives have become surprisingly charitable about two of history’s greatest mass murderers.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/57346/output/print
Oklahoma kiddo @ 165
Rumor is he’s bringing his fiddle…;-)
Valley Girl @ 163
I believe you’re thinking of Green’s Hill (really the base of Blue Hill “mountain”).
The gas station is Citgo, but owned by Tradewinds.
Eli @ 156
assume nothing, lest you start slipping down the same slope where the rightwingers have sledded so long.
if you assume an agenda exists, then presto — you will see it in everything.
again, i’m not saying the times piece is a fine bit of incisive coverage. it’s hackery, the worst sort. but it doesn’t rise to the level you suggest.
a lot of people are watching the paper for its coverage this time round; that’s a good thing. its 2004 coverage was only marginally better than the disgusting performance in 2000. but most of what some might attribute to an agenda is merely the brainless grind of what passes for daily political reporting these days.
Perhaps Barbara Bush, the President’s mother, should be dispatched to QualComm Stadium to comfort the refugees.
Valley Girl @ 168
Yeah, it’s the same thing. I just like Blue Hill Falls, that’s why I think of it. ValleyGirl: is it you who summers in Cape Rosier?
PeterK @ 164
Well VG is only “summer people”, but I’ll meet you at Wescott Forge or Marlintinis anytime (and maybe dig up some progressive friends to come, too).
dmg @ 159
Their only under voluntary notice now I think… neighboring Encinitas was under a standby evac alert as of a few hours ago. I would imagine it’s pretty miserable up there though, in any case.. they’re directly downwind of the worst of it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 173
Good God, man! Haven’t these people suffered enough?
Hi all: Been in lurk mode for the last few months. I’m in Irvine – about 2 miles from the flames from the Santiago fire (but totally safe). Many of my friends and family all over southern CA have been evacuated and we just don’t know about whether their homes are there or not. Yesterday the smoke was so dense it looked like thunderclouds over our house.
I couldn’t BELIEVE Glen Beck’s comments. Why do such hateful people have an audience? Why does he continue to have a job on air? Never mind. I know the answer.
kristine @ 170
… or his chainsaw …
OT
I joined a gym and racket club last week and went for the first time tonight. Every single flat screen tv in the exercise room was tuned to Faux News. I guess I should have expected this since Lungren’s office is around the corner. Jeebus Christ! Jeebus Christ! What have I done?
Or…..maybe I can do a little rabble rousing if my stomach can take it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 173
I don’t know if I should laugh or wince on that one. *g*
Eli @ 156
The article gave Rudy a big wet kiss where no kiss was warranted. Rudy is not the choice of the Fundies. The article is presented as a report on the fundy fest and which Candidate the fundies liked best – and it ain’t Rudy.
Rudy is not only given a passing grade on a test that he flunked. He gets a win where he is a third place loser. Rudy gets first place in the publicity department in a realm where he rightfully deserved no benefit to his campaign. How much does a full page ad in the NYT cost? What is the value of a front page story with your picture?
Rudy’s prominence in the story is way overblown to his benefit.
Petrocelli @ 179
Hey, my Husky is my best friend ;-).
Eli @ 167
hey! watch it there! we are NOT His People.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 173
No need … The Governator was there and said, “The people are happy. They have everything here.”
GordonM @ 175
Love to, but I’m about to leave for a few months, so let’s take a rain check (or should I say snow check).
Blub @ 176
ugh. encinitas and cardiff were a delight. that’s just really scary and sad.
thanks for the update, man.
p.s. i guess escondido is in harm’s way too?
… or his chainsaw …
Nah. In this case, a chainsaw might actually be useful.
Oh, this is rich…they let 2,300 inmates out of prison to fight the fires, because the National Guard is in Iraq….O…K…A…Y…
WTF???
Oklahoma kiddo @ 173
But there are mostly white people there. She will be confused about what they normally have.
PeterK @ 186
No problem. You’ve been here long enough to know what “soon” really means.
TeddySanFran @ 130
Andy is one of my favorite women’s names.
LS @ 189
They should put W to work too. At least he’d be of some use.
Hmmmm….they pretty much let the inmates in Nola drown…..hmmmm….that is ducky, now isn’t it….oh…..yeah….I remember….
dmg @ 172
If I see loving feature articles about other Republican candidates, then I’ll reconsider. but right now it looks like they really really love Rudy and want to make him look good, and possibly The Inevitable Man.
Blub @ 184
I’m pretty sure the aid will be structured so as to only go to Republicans.
PeterK @ 174
Yes, but “summers”, well I wish. Only a few weeks, but I’ve been going to the same place for a long long time. But, I was so fed up with my “landlords” last summer (huge long story), I’ve thought about not going back…. I have to decide soon.
LS @ 189
Working on the chain gang, chain gang
PeterK @ 193
especially considering his sole known skill is clearing brush…. we can use that service about now
Oklahoma kiddo @ 162
what the heck does it matter? He’s gonna be Raptured /s
smapdi @ 192
OOO – MamaCass – I think Cassie does not get the reference. I loved MamaCass
Helen @ 201
Who is that?
marymccurnin @ 198
I don’t imagine they are in great shape for the hard physical work of fire-fighting.
Some training would be nice too if they are not to endanger themselves and others.
Blub @ 199
Yes, about the only thing he’s ever done successfully. Except get himself into office (I won’t say “elected” for the obvious reason).
LS @ 189
All a plot to let Duke Cunningham recapture his heroic image.
so what did Glen Beck say about my city?
Blub @ 206
Oh, just that you hate America. And I’m not actually paraphrasing.
Blub @ 199
If the truth were known, He probably isn’t even any good at clearing brush. Now give him some firecrackers and some frogs…
sorry, this is probably OT and no one’s going to pay attention, but I just finalized a conversation with one of my libertarian friends on another board by saying:
My political wet dream basically consists of Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich doing a one-on-one debate, with Jon Stewart moderating.
What’s funny about it is that both Paul and Kucinich (supposedly diametrically opposite in current political bullshit terms) are almost the same in practical, pragmatic policy.
Am I wrong here?
Eli @ 207
Which is pretty amazing, given that the area is full of repugs and military types…
GordonM @ 205
Don’t the Blackwater boys have a place near SD? Maybe they could do something positive rather than shooting innocent civilian . . . .on second thought
never mind.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 173
yeah, all those members of the base are surely much better off there.
Eli @ 207
unfortunately, there won’t be much outrage, since cable’s out where I am (and I assume for much of the rest of the city as well) and a good 1/4th are evacuated and therefore not watching CNN.
SnarKassandra @ 202
Mama Cass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcv77dDKsMM
Blub @ 206
Beck said: “I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today.”
PeterK @ 210
Yeah, apparently “California” is enough for Beck.
Petrocelli @ 63
ReElect President Gore & VP Edwards 2008!
GordonM and PeterK- I thought Tenney Hill was location of Merrill & Hinkley. Obviously, I will have to dig out my Maine Gazateer.
Would someone who would be difficult to ignore please ask The Times in what sense it was reporting (wrong word) the news in its story (right word) of the Values Voters Summit?
SnarKassandra @ 202
She was the very best singer in a 60’s group called the mammas and the pappas. Her voice was as pure as it could be. She died of a heart attack at a very young age.
I thought some folks here might want to hear from Loo Hoo, who(m) I spoke with a bit ago. Is it okay if we live blog a little bit here? I’ll call her and folks can ask or send a note? Don’t want to hi-jack Trex’s Late Night…
SnarKassandra @ 202
Man, am I old.
Cass Elliot
Oklahoma kiddo @ 153
I gotta say, I think the 2003 fires were still worse, at least for San Diego.
California is a natural fire ecology. Nothing strange about it — yes it may get worse the way that NOLA and all that coast will get worse hurricanes; but it was still hurricane country to begin with.
And, like NOLA, it’s made worse over time with the population (too much for the water available here) and type of development.
Of course by the time the Northwest turns into a fire ecology it will be too late :-P
marymccurnin @ 211
One of the areas that first caught fire was Potrero, where BW wants to build a “campus.”
newtonusr @ 222
I totally forgot her last name. Thank you
newspaperbrat @ 217
WooHoo NPB !
Let’s keep chanting that until it reaches a crescendo …
Valley Girl @ 218
I don’t know (I live in Bangor) for sure, but isn’t M & H the one almost in the center of town? If so, it’s a place I love because they have a door closer which is a clothesline pulled by a milk bottle full of sand. Never fails.
Eli @ 216
the fundie wingnuts should note that God has so far spared the mainly Democratic City of San Diego. Most of the burned areas are, well, the most rethugly precincts we have.
demi @ 221
YES – Hello Loo Hoo. How are you?
Valley Girl @ 197
The normally (extremely stable) summer rental market is showing signs of disruption. There will likely be alternatives.
AZ Matt @ 215
Where’s our sense o’ the senate resolution on this?
I am so glad that cnn lost me as a consumer years ago.
My mom liked listening to their songs. I remember from when I was little.
smapdi @ 231
I’m seriously amazed that he’s allowed access to a microphone.
Hiya Ms Loo Hoo!
marymccurnin @ 211
NO!!!
They’re trying to set up a place down in San Diego. We’re TRYING to stop it. Just say NO to Blackwater! I don’t want those criminals and thugs anywhere near me…!!
California Dreamin’(Snarkassandra – Mama Cass singing with the Mamas and the Papas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wI6uAOHzvo
egregious @ 94
CA voters have been brainwashed – quite literally – for forty years by the megacorps’ PR shocktroops.
On taxation, the shocktroops won.
From an earlier thread:
demi @ 221
Sending you and yours tons of love, Loo Hoo !
dmg @ 151
It’s a little like global warming. Any particular event can be argued as a natural variance but the pattern remains true. I have written a lot on Michael Gordon’s pieces, John Burns, and most of the NYT’s Iraq coverage (Ed Wong IIRC the name did some good stuff). It all backs the Bush line (minus Wong). Gordon enthusiastically; Burns too but with a dab of angst. It is hard to see Keller and Sulzberger not having a hand in that, especially after Gordon’s association with Judy Miller.
I see a lot of WH talking points in the coverage of Stolberg and the other Washington reporters. Keller certainly hasn’t pushed any of them to notice that Bush is the worst President in our history. Nor has Pinch. Nearly 7 years of the Bush Presidency I think is sufficient time even for the Gray Lady to pick up on this. That it still hasn’t isn’t the fault of some stringer or low level editor. It’s Pinch and Bill.
So getting back to the article under discussion, yes, this article may simply have slipped through but boy it does fit the pattern.
On global warning and to Peanutbutter’s point, remember it just rained last week. There’s no evidence that things are exceptionally dry, and we ARE a fire-based ecology… always have been. This IS a manmade disaster in many respects (due to growth policies, too much fire suppression in areas which should’ve been subject to controlled burns, too little clearing of brush, etc), but I personally don’t want to point the finger at global warming for just this one set of fires, without any particularly compelling evidence.
More to point though.. IF global warming continues to worsen, we WILL be seeing a lot more forest fires as a result. That doesn’t mean climate change was the primary culprit here.
hiya peanut butter
Keep an eye on “Suntech”…solar technology, competing with oil…getting kiboshed????
Valley Girl @ 218
Tradewinds is the top of Tenney Hill – M&H is close to the bottom (and the owner is neither a Merrill nor a Hinckley – I recall when their hours were 6:30 – 4:00).
Hugh @ 239
Hi Hugh – I know I am behind the curve and way off topic – but you are gonna try and get that book published; right?
Zee @ 233
Now that the fires have become far worse than anyone could imagine, Beck’s stupid and callous remark makes him even more of an assh*le than before. Who will demand that the SOB be fired? I’ll write a letter if you will.
Blub @ 240
Yes, thank you; exactly what I was trying to say, only more condensed :-)
We’ve had water issues and droughts forever. I can remember in the early ’70’s discussing all this with my dad. He was predicting all this back then.
Global warming will make it worse, I’m sure :-P But we can do quite a bit with more intelligent development and infrastructure! Far more than what we’ve done. Frustrating.
Helen @ 244
I second Helen’s remark … you are a born author, Hugh …
Blub @ 240
Same thing happened when Oakland burned. The duff, which is the stuff that falls from the trees and bushes, was not cleared out for decades. I heard a professor from Berkeley forecast this disaster twenty years ago.
Hugh, would you please stop talking about your daughter?
/snark
On Beck, I can honestly say that (mostly) nobody in this city heard him (if we have our TVs on at all, and available, its only to local fire coverage), so we’re dependent on everybody else’s outrage.
hackworth @ 245
I intend to contact CNN. I have done so in the past and you can tell how much good it has done – nothing but liberals as far as the eye can see.
SnarKassandra @ 241
Heya! All’s well over here! Dog seems unhappy about how stinky it is outside, though :-P
hackworth @ 245
Already sent one.
Helen @ 244
I am not very good at practical stuff and I don’t know if anyone will be interested but I will send off a few emails and see what happens.
Blub @ 250
I heard him quoted on the radio. There’s no way I’d watch him.
smapdi @ 249
LOL That may stick with me for a while.
PeterK @ 227
Yes, you are correct- that is a particular feature of Merrill & Hinkley. Thanks for reminding me! ;) Not that I shop there… (no, really I don’t).
Hugh @ 256
you’ll have to dedicate your book to her
hackworth @ 245
I will but did you see this?
He’ll never be fired
Maybe the book IS the daughter?
demi @ 221
peanutbutter @ 246
Indeed. There is also a threat from No. California to cut our water supply by 30-50% Don’t know how that will all work out, but it won’t be good. It always seemed a bit absurd to have all these green lawns in a desert climate.
Good night everyone.
lahoma
As far as Glenn Beck goes, thank Goddess that all things pass, and he too shall move his sorry ass on….
Demi
Does Loo Hoo know anything about her house? I hope she is doing well. Love and hope for everyone.
Hugh @ 254
I am also writing my first book on yoga/meditation. All I can say is, put your best work on paper
and send out Book Proposals to agents … you are a powerful writer and I’m sure you’ll be a successful author.
smapdi @ 260
Whoa. That’s deep.
Blub, I’m glad you’re OK – I wish the whole county were.
This year’s Santa Anas are the strongest in recorded (white person) history.
Santa Anas’ strength correlates with the pressure gradient between…
the interior Western US (usually over the Great Basin)
vs:
the CA coast.
From what I’ve read, the greater the temperature [heat energy] over the interior North American continent, the greater the probability and intensity of high pressure over the Great Basin.
Although Santa Anas happen every year, the intensity of this year’s winds seems to be related to global climate change (aka global warming).
LS @ 263
Yes, yes. I just want to see it well ahead of me!
Here is part of a summary of the second IPCC report that I wrote on expected global climate changes:
kirk murphy @ 267
Don’t worry. Presidunce Bu’ush will come Thursday to get in a few photo-op hugs and tears — and further gum shit up with his MSA wide security perimeter.
Petrocelli @ 265
I agree with what everyone says about you writing – it really is very good. I’m not convinced a dead-trees format is the best for what you have so far – one of its strengths is the currency – some miserable shit happens and there it is in your list. For a book I think you need a different structure – something that pulls the pieces together into a whole.
Just my two cents.
GordonM, thanks for the info about the rental market- reminded me that I do have other options- 2 other places I’ve stayed at briefly (and know the owners) on Cape Rosier. That may indeed be the way to go.
peanutbutter @ 235
I was just checking my email and got one from a group trying to help the people in SD with a after the fires fund and helping to stop Blackwater at the same time. Here is the link. LINK
marymccurnin @ 248
I lived in the E Bay for 23 years. Saw that the hills were a fire danger from July to October, and a mud slide danger from December to March. And a quake danger all year round. But that was the valuable real estate.
In the Oakland fire, a house that was all concrete burned. The 900 degree heat just went through the walls and lit anything flammable on the inside.
What was it we used to say? Oh yeah, “Don’t fuck with Mother Nature”.
Good night, all!
Helen @ 259
Yes, I did. F*cker Carlson, floppy-haired bow-tie wearing frat boy maintains a cozy second-to-last loser position solely on account of Beckassh*le’s bigger stinkbomb.
Holy shit, Hugh – you are part of the IPCC!
We areI am not worthy – you rawk.g’evening all
we are working on getting late nite up – just be patient and we will let ya know when it is up
hackworth @ 276
Um, yep!!
Just got out of a talk by a dear friend Peggy Gish who is a member of the Christian Peace Maker Team and is headed back to northern Iraq on Thursday. This will be her (I believe) 6th time back since before the invasion. She ha been in Iraq close to four years when you add
up all of her time. Peggy and the Christian Peace Maker team have spent most their time documenting abuse in the prisons and interacting with the Iraqi people.
Her family and friends are deeply concerned about her going back because she was (along with another member of her team) kidnapped for several days when she was there last.
in my life I have never witnessed (with the exception of her husband Art http://mideastchristians.virtu…..apples.htm) people that I know personally who have been willing to lay their own lives on the line for others because they believe in compassion and empathy so deeply.
What was different about this talk is that Peggy really shared some of her deep emotions and healing that took place after she returned to the states after the kidnapping in Iraq. (she went into solitude for several months on her return)
Peggy shared how she had been having lots of flashbacks during her months of solitude. She shared images that she lives with of Iraqi people that she had seen blown up during the summer of 2003. She shared more details about going to hospitals in Baghdad and seeing half of a child”s body blown off. She shared how many Iraqi people who had missing limbs, and who were severely traumatized. She shared one image after the next of people who had schrapnel from cluster bombs embedded in their bodies. Peggy had never really shared images like this before she had never shared her personal struggle having to come back to the states and witness the complacency and apathy that permeates the majority of Americans attitude toward the Iraqi people. She inferred that she now believe that it is a type of racism, that somehow Americans do not consider the lives of Muslims as valuable as Americans.
It was moving to watch Peggy’s clear green eyes penetrate the bubble that protects us from what has really been taking place in Iraq.
I know that through Peggy’s Love and commitment to all of humanity the Iraqi people will know a piece of the US that is good and loving.
Along with so many here at FDL Peggy and Art Gish’s commitment to Peace, Love and Compassion give me hope. And as Peggy said tonight “when hope is gone not much is left”
Here’s to hope!
Peggy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4066835.stm
Good evening dear friends.
I am confused. It says I am not logged in, and yet it looks like I am Cassie.
SnarKassandra @ 282
I see you Cassie
SnarKassandra @ 281
Good evening TB! (SC variant)
kirk murphy @ 267
Not arguing against the existence of global warming – but one year is just an aberration, no matter how severe, and no evidence of anything. Now a pattern over time … that would be something else.
Suzanne @ 278
Suz- not to worry. In the tradition of “late nite”, we already have about 6 or 7 different topics going on in the present discussion. (Sorry eli). But, we are amused.
Hugh @ 269
Two other significant factors needs to be addressed, the sheer amount of Carbon Dioxide that will be released with the continued thaw of the permafrost in Siberia and the polar regions, and, the continued exploitation of the Athabascan Tar Sands…!
kristine @ 261
I think it’s a crime.
Fern @ 271
Yes, it would have to be reorganized thematically but I would still like to keep it a list. A list I think allows people to make their own connections and tie-ins.
Helen @ 283
Betsy, you’ll need to explicitly log out using the right sidebar and then log back in. I tink you still have Cassie’s cookies.
kirk murphy @ 277
I am not part of the IPCC but this is something that I wrote about it at the time. Didn’t mean to mislead.
Fern @ 285
Fern- except that this “pattern” is playing itself out, currently, across the US, but in different ways. Reservoir had 60 more days of water, here, last I heard.
Late Nite is up
Uhhh…fern – there is a multi-year pattern of progressively increasing tempertaure in the Southwest, correlating with decreased rainfall, increased aridity, decreased humidity, and mass vegetation die off (most notably trees).
In science we show our work.
Please describe the data refuting these facts.
Jane’s up Late night
peanutbutter @ 290
Oh – is this Betsy?
Thanks PB. Yes, it’s Betsy.
kirk murphy @ 294
I don’t question any of that data.
I just don’t see one year’s higher-than-usual winds as evidence, in itself, of anything.
kirk murphy @ 294
I have the same NOAA data Kirk.. I work with it too. We all agree that mean temperatures are going up, but the San Diego increase doesn’t have the logarithmic character seen by some other areas, yet, and the precipation data is downright contradictory. Confluence of events does not, in any science I’ve ever practiced, imply causation. You know that.
I’m not saying that global warming wasn’t behind these fires. I’m saying that there’s no compelling scientifically integral data that says it is.
Eli:
“It would be just like a Subway Series, but with warmongers.”
Hammer-nail-bang! :o)
TB grins biiiig grin. :o)
Uhh..fern…
As I did not assert that that one year’s higher than usual winds is evidence of anything, I’ll leave you with that.
Twasn’t my conclusion.
I did (and do) assert the increased intensity of this year’s Santa Anas is the result of increased heat energy.
I am accurately describing increased thermal energy over the Western US.
From what I have read, the greater the heat energy over the Western US, the greater the persistence/intensity of the high pressure shield over the Great Basin.
If this assertion is inaccurate, I am in error.
Blub, if the mechanism I’m descrbing (increased US interior pressure is the energy source driving the intensity of Santa Ana winds) is in arror, I’d be grateful for correction.
I’m genuinely curious to know what calculations of Santa Ana intensity explain the increased energy of this year’s winds. The increased velocities appear to reflect significantly increased pressure differential (interior vs. coast).
If we subtract increased thermal energy from global warming, what source of planetary energy would replace that input?
I’m asking these questions to better understand (and juggling cooking) so apologies if my tone seems abrupt – not intended.
I’sd appreciate the chance to learn from you.
Tanbark @ 300
Hee. Thanks, TB.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 165
Maybe it’s God’s way of warning him what his future in Hell would be like if he doesn’t change his ways.
SnarKassandra @ 232
California Dreamin’ is a great classic.
The Times’ Sweetheart Deal–… the Times deal, which was inked in the last month of the Giuliani administration. …
amberglow @ 305
Very interesting… I just updated the post with that.
Matt says: October 23rd, 2007 at 7:42 pm
Blub @ 206
And I guess Beck will simply justify his position by saying that he didn’t mean all those folks who lost their homes in the fires were “America Haters”…but the implication of THAT would be in order for a handful of those “Haters” to suffer it’s justified that hundreds of thousands of others be threatened.
But how is that so different from Bush’s Iraq policies where it’s perfectly justified to kill whole families of innocents in order to get a handful of “criminals”. Oh right…it’s the terrorists fault…not ours for actually pouring uncountainable firepower into those houses.
What get’s stuck in my craw is how the MSM takes these surveys at utter face value.
From dreck like this you’d think that Romney has suddenly won the hearts of the evangelical and Conservative Christian fundamentalist voter. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21391400/
The “Value Voters” convention allowed people on-line to submit votes as well as those who attended the convention. Thousands more on-line votes were recorded, swamping the count.
Huckabee got over 50% (488) of the votes of those in attendance. Romney got about 10% (99 votes)…with most of the others sucking it up in the single digits. That’s what my family would call a knock-down ass-whuppin’ in East Texas parts.
But in the INTERNET voting both Romney and Ron Paul received massive levels of support. Paul received only 25 votes (2.6%) of those at the convention but 840 on the internet to finish with 15% of the final vote in third, rather than last, place. Romney’s internet support actually bolstered his results to allow him to attain first place with about 25% of the total…30 total votes ahead of Huckabee.
Yes folks! Both Romney and Ron Paul are trying to “suggest” support from the Conservative Christian voters that simply isn’t there, at least amongst the most driven of these. The campaigns of both of these individuals ahve made a great effort to organize their supporters to flood such straw-polls and on-line surveys to “suggest” they have wider support than ther polls have indicated. It’s even possible that ony a handful of individuals directly associated with the campaigns are behind hundreds of on-line votes.
http://www.frcaction.org/
So why would the internet vote be so disparate from those actually in attendance? Well the Conservative evangelical community is up in arms over the Family Resource Council’s vote. The word is the “fix was in” with the leadership of the FRC who ran the “Values Voter” conference compromising with “Big Money” and “Defense” Conservatives to avoid a Huckabee endorsement. Huckabee is viewed by the Business Conservatives as a little too willing to support tax-funded programs that actually assist the poor.
http://marcambinder.theatlanti…..blem_1.php
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/….._vote.html
Romney, despite his Mormon background, is viewed by the evangelical leadership as the one that they can make most progress with in attaining their agenda.
But the scandal about the vote, and how it distorted the actual feelings of the Christian Conservative movement is now all over their websites. If Romney was thinking that he could use this poll to actually lure the religious right into thinking that their fellow cnservatives were “swinging” to Romney…well the blush is off the rose. In fact, his efforts may actually backfire as they will view him as manipulative and willing to “use” them to make it appear he has their support. And the fact that the leadership of the FRC and others were willing to conceal this fiasco for Romneys benefit may dampen their ability to mobilize their supporters behind either Romney or Giuliani in the General election.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/253694.aspx
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007…..ve_gop.php
So when you see an on-line survey or poll, like Zogby’s on-line survey, be careful about accepting their results without putting your tongue firmly in your cheek. The methodology, even when they only allow on-line registrants to partciipate, can be “gimmicked” by people with access to the databases of campaigns (using the real names/addresses but false internet addresses of their supporters). Survey groups like Zogby’s are likely inundated with registrants with multiple handles affiliated with the campaigns…particularly so when the entire purpose of the site is to compile on-line data about political races or issues.
yup–he was always good to them, and they have a shiny new tower in Times Square to show for it.
Hillary too gets much better coverage than she should, given that she’s done nothing for us as Senator.
The Village Voice overall had always been the best on clear-eyed coverage of Rudy and all his misdeeds. I’m disappointed but not surprised that most of it is still unreported nationally.
Wayne Barrett, a reporter there for ages, wrote 2 books about him.