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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even the Neo-Conservatives over at PNAC (Robert Kagen) pointed out that Lieberman before 2000 was castigating the Democrats in PRIVATE, and formulating public foreign policy positions that were, in essence, identical to their own.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newamericancentury.org/def_natl_sec_026.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.newamericancentury......ec_026.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some choice excerpts, and my comments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It may be impolite to bring this up right now, but just for the record: Joseph Lieberman thinks the Clinton administration’s foreign policy during the past seven years has been feckless, inept and immoral.&lt;br /&gt;
Lieberman has never put it quite that way, of course, &lt;b&gt;at least not in public.&lt;/b&gt;“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But even PNAC knew that Lieberman was a manipulative stealth Vice-Presidential candidate who lacked integrity…although they agreed with him, funnily enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; “Now that he’s Al Gore’s running mate, don’t expect… &lt;em&gt;Mr. Integrity &lt;/em&gt;to admit any differences with the Clinton-Gore administration. But a quick look at Lieberman’s &lt;b&gt;record&lt;/b&gt; in the Senate leaves no doubt what he thinks of the way Bill Clinton has managed some of the biggest foreign policy crises of his presidency.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“… Lieberman was so dissatisfied with Clinton’s Iraq policy that he joined &lt;b&gt;Trent Lott &lt;/b&gt; in sponsoring legislation to provide Saddam’s opponents with $ 97 million worth of aid. Clinton officials, of course, hated the idea, but it passed the Senate overwhelmingly….[In a letter co-signed by many of Congresses most right-wing individuals] ” He wrote Secretary of State Madeleine Albright that he was “deeply concerned that only a small percentage of the resources made available by the Congress for anti-Saddam activities . . . have been tapped by the administration.”&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, we now know that most of this money went to creating the Chalabist propoganda machine of exiles that dummied up all sorts of informant reports like “Curveball” that got us to invade Iraq. Almost none of the money supported internal opposition to Saddam, or those groups located in Iran. Of course, no one really believes that the Chalabists and exiles in the West represented much more than an extremely small number of individuals…most making millions from these very same “grants”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;” For two years a frustrated Lieberman worked with Bob Dole to try to force the administration to lift [violate] a U.N. embargo against supplying weapons to the Bosnian Muslims…but the Clinton team fought him every step of the way…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually it was a NATO-sponsored embargo to try and prevent all parties in the conflict from receiving weapons. And the biggest group attempting to smuggle weapons (and militants) to both the Bosnian Muslims and the Kosovars…was al Qaida…who was attempting to gain a foot in the door of Europe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Lieberman thinks Clinton made a tragic and cowardly misjudgment when he ruled out the use of American ground troops during last year’s Kosovo war…Lieberman was one of a &lt;b&gt;handful of senators &lt;/b&gt; who cosponsored John McCain’s bill to give Clinton authority to send ground troops to Kosovo….”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But…but! Why would Clinton oppose this…if it only gave him the “authority”?  Yet HE DID! Because he knew that it would inflame the situation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;” Lieberman also joined Mitch McConnell on a bill to provide $ 25 million worth of arms to the Kosovars to defend themselves. Clinton officials deep-sixed that one, too.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Lieberman thinks the administration was too slow to send American troops to East Timor last year.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wait? Wasn’t the invasion of East Timor by Indonesia given the “Green Light” by Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger? Oh…but that was before the discovery that major oil reserves might lie in the Timor Gap. An economically devastated Timor L’este, would be far more willing to offer concessions there at bargain-basement prices than the Indonesian State-Run Pertamina. Clinton quite realistically realized that intervention before elections would be a disaster, and that Australia was more likely to avoid being drawn into a conflict wth Indonesia.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Lieberman thinks the Clinton administration’s Russia policy..that he proposed legislation (&lt;b&gt;again with Lott&lt;/b&gt;) to impose sanctions on Russia, and exclude Russians from the U.S. space program, if the Russian-Iranian connection was not severed.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ooh! That would stop Pootie-Pooh! No cooperation with the Space Program? The same Soviet space program which has, of course, bailed out US missions time and again, despite the repeated failures of the Space Shuttle. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“As ranking Democrat on the Senate Government Affairs Committee, he coauthored a report with &lt;b&gt;Fred Thompson &lt;/b&gt; last year accusing…Clinton’s top advisers, including Leon Panetta and Sandy Berger, for waiting two years to inform the president of evidence they had received about Chinese espionage. “There was, in fact, a Chinese government plan to move money into America’s congressional elections–with the clear intent to affect America’s policy toward China.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As if huge amounts of corporate money, including Chinese banks purchasing much of the US domestic debt…hasn’t resulted in a Bush Administration that has completely ignored Human Rights violations of China for the last six years. All while the Prescott Jr., and brother Neil, as well as Daddy and several cousins actually joined in business ventures, including the sale of semiconductors that Dubya exempted from the export security regulations, with the relatives of those in the regimes politburo).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And none of this even hints at his unwavering support of Israels most notorious acts. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lieberman was a stealth “liberal” and walked right in tandem with the PNAC Neo-Conservative policies. Most of his liberal domestic policies are over two decades old.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the Neo-Conservatives over at PNAC (Robert Kagen) pointed out that Lieberman before 2000 was castigating the Democrats in PRIVATE, and formulating public foreign policy positions that were, in essence, identical to their own.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/def_natl_sec_026.htm">http://www.newamericancentury&#8230;&#8230;ec_026.htm</a></p>
<p>Some choice excerpts, and my comments.</p>
<p>“It may be impolite to bring this up right now, but just for the record: Joseph Lieberman thinks the Clinton administration’s foreign policy during the past seven years has been feckless, inept and immoral.<br />
Lieberman has never put it quite that way, of course, <b>at least not in public.</b>“</p>
<p>But even PNAC knew that Lieberman was a manipulative stealth Vice-Presidential candidate who lacked integrity…although they agreed with him, funnily enough.</p>
<p> “Now that he’s Al Gore’s running mate, don’t expect… <em>Mr. Integrity </em>to admit any differences with the Clinton-Gore administration. But a quick look at Lieberman’s <b>record</b> in the Senate leaves no doubt what he thinks of the way Bill Clinton has managed some of the biggest foreign policy crises of his presidency.”</p>
<p>“… Lieberman was so dissatisfied with Clinton’s Iraq policy that he joined <b>Trent Lott </b> in sponsoring legislation to provide Saddam’s opponents with $ 97 million worth of aid. Clinton officials, of course, hated the idea, but it passed the Senate overwhelmingly….[In a letter co-signed by many of Congresses most right-wing individuals] ” He wrote Secretary of State Madeleine Albright that he was “deeply concerned that only a small percentage of the resources made available by the Congress for anti-Saddam activities . . . have been tapped by the administration.”&quot;</p>
<p>Of course, we now know that most of this money went to creating the Chalabist propoganda machine of exiles that dummied up all sorts of informant reports like “Curveball” that got us to invade Iraq. Almost none of the money supported internal opposition to Saddam, or those groups located in Iran. Of course, no one really believes that the Chalabists and exiles in the West represented much more than an extremely small number of individuals…most making millions from these very same “grants”.</p>
<p>” For two years a frustrated Lieberman worked with Bob Dole to try to force the administration to lift [violate] a U.N. embargo against supplying weapons to the Bosnian Muslims…but the Clinton team fought him every step of the way…”</p>
<p>Actually it was a NATO-sponsored embargo to try and prevent all parties in the conflict from receiving weapons. And the biggest group attempting to smuggle weapons (and militants) to both the Bosnian Muslims and the Kosovars…was al Qaida…who was attempting to gain a foot in the door of Europe.</p>
<p>“Lieberman thinks Clinton made a tragic and cowardly misjudgment when he ruled out the use of American ground troops during last year’s Kosovo war…Lieberman was one of a <b>handful of senators </b> who cosponsored John McCain’s bill to give Clinton authority to send ground troops to Kosovo….”</p>
<p>But…but! Why would Clinton oppose this…if it only gave him the “authority”?  Yet HE DID! Because he knew that it would inflame the situation.</p>
<p>” Lieberman also joined Mitch McConnell on a bill to provide $ 25 million worth of arms to the Kosovars to defend themselves. Clinton officials deep-sixed that one, too.”</p>
<p>“Lieberman thinks the administration was too slow to send American troops to East Timor last year.” </p>
<p>Wait? Wasn’t the invasion of East Timor by Indonesia given the “Green Light” by Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger? Oh…but that was before the discovery that major oil reserves might lie in the Timor Gap. An economically devastated Timor L’este, would be far more willing to offer concessions there at bargain-basement prices than the Indonesian State-Run Pertamina. Clinton quite realistically realized that intervention before elections would be a disaster, and that Australia was more likely to avoid being drawn into a conflict wth Indonesia.</p>
<p>“Lieberman thinks the Clinton administration’s Russia policy..that he proposed legislation (<b>again with Lott</b>) to impose sanctions on Russia, and exclude Russians from the U.S. space program, if the Russian-Iranian connection was not severed.”</p>
<p>Ooh! That would stop Pootie-Pooh! No cooperation with the Space Program? The same Soviet space program which has, of course, bailed out US missions time and again, despite the repeated failures of the Space Shuttle. </p>
<p>“As ranking Democrat on the Senate Government Affairs Committee, he coauthored a report with <b>Fred Thompson </b> last year accusing…Clinton’s top advisers, including Leon Panetta and Sandy Berger, for waiting two years to inform the president of evidence they had received about Chinese espionage. “There was, in fact, a Chinese government plan to move money into America’s congressional elections–with the clear intent to affect America’s policy toward China.”</p>
<p>As if huge amounts of corporate money, including Chinese banks purchasing much of the US domestic debt…hasn’t resulted in a Bush Administration that has completely ignored Human Rights violations of China for the last six years. All while the Prescott Jr., and brother Neil, as well as Daddy and several cousins actually joined in business ventures, including the sale of semiconductors that Dubya exempted from the export security regulations, with the relatives of those in the regimes politburo).</p>
<p>And none of this even hints at his unwavering support of Israels most notorious acts. </p>
<p>Lieberman was a stealth “liberal” and walked right in tandem with the PNAC Neo-Conservative policies. Most of his liberal domestic policies are over two decades old.</p>
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		<title>By: Midwest Meg</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1053437</link>
		<dc:creator>Midwest Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s a bitch when the unwashed voters take away your party label in that little thingamagig called a pri…..pri….primary election or whatever.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Eleanor Clift needs to find a good assisted living facility in the Village.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a bitch when the unwashed voters take away your party label in that little thingamagig called a pri…..pri….primary election or whatever.</p>
<p>Eleanor Clift needs to find a good assisted living facility in the Village.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1053405</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe Pete Stark has some more impertinent talking to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Say,&lt;br /&gt;
People are dying in San Diego so Bush can send kids to Iraq where they’re having their heads blown off for his amusement.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Pete Stark has some more impertinent talking to do.</p>
<p>Say,<br />
People are dying in San Diego so Bush can send kids to Iraq where they’re having their heads blown off for his amusement.</p>
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		<title>By: republicanSScareme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1053190</link>
		<dc:creator>republicanSScareme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eleanor Cliff must be a Zionist fascist like Joe. There’s no other reason to defend him unless you’re whoring for Mossad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eleanor Cliff must be a Zionist fascist like Joe. There’s no other reason to defend him unless you’re whoring for Mossad.</p>
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		<title>By: radlib1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1053143</link>
		<dc:creator>radlib1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe Lieberman is an odious gasbag who is willing to kill hundreds of thousands of people (mostly Iraqi, but also American) for oil and Israel. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;America would have been better off, of course, if we hadn’t preemptively attacked Iraq. And Iraq certainly would have been better off. But no, Joe, had to protect Israel (which doesn’t need protecting) and Dick Cheney had to protect “our oil under their soil.” And Bush, the Moron-in-Chief, did their bidding.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Lieberman is an odious gasbag who is willing to kill hundreds of thousands of people (mostly Iraqi, but also American) for oil and Israel. </p>
<p>America would have been better off, of course, if we hadn’t preemptively attacked Iraq. And Iraq certainly would have been better off. But no, Joe, had to protect Israel (which doesn’t need protecting) and Dick Cheney had to protect “our oil under their soil.” And Bush, the Moron-in-Chief, did their bidding.</p>
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		<title>By: pluege</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1052946</link>
		<dc:creator>pluege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;a recurring nightmare is the certainty that after achieving a LIEberman-proof majority in 2008 that democrats will continue to treat that scum-of-the-Earth rat bastard with respect and deference, awarding him positions that he has no business holding.&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a recurring nightmare is the certainty that after achieving a LIEberman-proof majority in 2008 that democrats will continue to treat that scum-of-the-Earth rat bastard with respect and deference, awarding him positions that he has no business holding.<br />
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1052796</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Clift and the rest of the Villagers are &lt;a href=&quot;http://gotv.blogspot.com/2007/09/langley-precinct.html&quot;&gt;out of touch with their own zip code&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clift and the rest of the Villagers are <a href="http://gotv.blogspot.com/2007/09/langley-precinct.html">out of touch with their own zip code</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: VictorLaszlo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1052788</link>
		<dc:creator>VictorLaszlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1052679&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 85&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I have vowed to use Pete Stark’s phrase as often as possible.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Love it. Like I said over at kos, if Pete Stark and the congressional Dems won’t stand behind such a statement, it’s up to us to do so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1052679"><em>TeddySanFran @ 85</em></a></p>
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I have vowed to use Pete Stark’s phrase as often as possible.</p>
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<p>Love it. Like I said over at kos, if Pete Stark and the congressional Dems won’t stand behind such a statement, it’s up to us to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: zennurse</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1052772</link>
		<dc:creator>zennurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1052678&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;OldCoastie @ 84&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1052667&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ugly In Pink @ 75&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Could someone post the link to a good google map of the fires again?  Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocregister.com/news/fire-canyon-blaze-1902172-santiago-road&quot;&gt;scroll down&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;photos from npr&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/news/images/2007/oct/23/california_wildfires/gallery/index.html&quot;&gt;http://www.npr.org/news/images.....index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1052678"><em>OldCoastie @ 84</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1052667"><em>Ugly In Pink @ 75</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Could someone post the link to a good google map of the fires again?  Thanks.</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.ocregister.com/news/fire-canyon-blaze-1902172-santiago-road">scroll down</a></p>
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<p>photos from npr</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/news/images/2007/oct/23/california_wildfires/gallery/index.html">http://www.npr.org/news/images&#8230;..index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: OldCoastie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/23/eleanor-clift-unclearly/#comment-1052768</link>
		<dc:creator>OldCoastie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1052756&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bustednuckles @ 127&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nasty little fellow, ain’t I?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a funny nasty little fellow!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1052756"><em>Bustednuckles @ 127</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Nasty little fellow, ain’t I?</p>
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<p>a funny nasty little fellow!</p>
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