Latina Lista spotlights an op-ed from the chief of police in Mesa, AZ:
So, it must be blasphemy to the ears of everyone mentioned when Mesa, Arizona’s police chief, George Gascón, recently wrote a piece for the local newspaper saying that all these critics fanning the flames of anti-immigrant feelings are as full of hot air as the desert.
I often hear talk about the scourge of crimes by immigrants who are here illegally. In fact, I have heard how unauthorized immigrants are responsible for as much as 90 percent of the serious crime in Mesa.
The problem with this assertion is that it is not supported by the facts.
From there on, Chief Gascon compares the facts of the arguments to the accusations, guess which side always wins?
But, don’t let a pesky thing like facts and numbers stop you, eh?
Think of America’s greatest historical shames. Most have involved the singling out of groups of people for abuse. Name a distinguishing feature — skin color, religion, nationality, language — and it’s likely that people here have suffered unjustly for it, either through the freelance hatred of citizens or as a matter of official government policy.
We are heading down this road again. The country needs to have a working immigration policy, one that corresponds to economic realities and is based on good sense and fairness. But it doesn’t. It has federal inertia and a rising immigrant tide, and a national mood of frustration and anxiety that is slipping, as it has so many times before, into hatred and fear. Hostility for illegal immigrants falls disproportionately on an entire population of people, documented or not, who speak Spanish and are working-class or poor. By blinding the country to solutions, it has harmed us all.
You think this isn’t being felt by legal immigrants, too? Think again. Are we a nation that will continue to welcome immigrants yearning to breathe free — or are we now only welcoming the ones that are the “right” color? And what does it say about us? Following the requirements of the law is important — both in terms of immigration laws and with regard to antidiscrimination. What does it say about the Bush Administration that they choose to strenuously enforce one while systematically undermining and gutting the part of the DOJ that is meant to enforce the other?
As Douglas Brinkley said, “Too often in the United States we forget that “inaction” can be a policy initiative.”
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Christy!
Good morning all
Remember,
Facts have a Liberal Bias
dontcha know?
CHS!!!!
Hi, Christy. Good post.
what really kills me is the ease any “immigration problem” could be solved
jail those that employ any illegal alien and bing, problem over
corporations need this workforce asset though, it keeps the supply of a product they need (labor) high
so long as the supply is high they can get away with giving wages that don’t represent to financial value of that labor
Well, I posted this in a thread yesterday, but it seems so much more appropriate today.
The Great American Melting Pot
Hate is making a big come back in this country. It’s all the fundies and 24%’ers have. Just look at the Rethuglican debate last night. Imagine if all of us college grads were back in college? Imagine the drinking games we could have with Rudy McRomney? How many times did they mention Hillary, socialism and communism? We all would have been blotto after about 5 minutes of the debate. What a sad excuse for a political party they’ve become.
My mind is already made up! How dare you confuse me with facts! /s
Gives me an excuse to listen to it one more time…
Uh oh. It seems my last post went to the moderator netherworld. :-(
RevDeb @ 3
here’s the way it plays out too;
if a president lies us into war, the wing nuts think it’s only ballanced if you also post people that say there was no lie
a fact is a fact, it doesn’t get “ballanced” it gets excused by making believe there is another side to the story
facts are usually liberal…giving the counter story is not “ballancing the facts” it is lying
yes, I know I am preaching to the preacher
Good morning everyone. I wish some of these voices could break through the din caused by Lou Dobbs and the Faux News ilk. But common sense and practicality and fact-based discussions are so boring when you can bloviate a topic to death… /snark.
My best to all the mods today!!
Smgumby — Is that from Scholastic Rock? Love that one…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
christy, it might be a little too late to compile the list but have you thought about doing an ip permit instead of ip ban today?
go through the new ip posts before publishing?
I think the trolls might stop by and ruin the book salon
Thanks Christy,
that’s a fabulous post at Latina Lista.
perris at 14 — We have great mods and several on hand for today. We do actually plan for this sort of thing, and we don’t talk about what we are doing publicly for good reason.
Perhaps, ones perceptions, ones statistics are how one counts and interprets laws. Being here illegally, and working here illegally make every illegal alien guilty of violating no less than four laws. They may not like it, but that is a fact.
As to the contention from those who support illegal aliens that these people are only here trying to make a living, only trying to feed their families…the American Citizens who are hving their jobs stolen were/are only trying to earn a living, feed a family. That simple fact seems to get lost in the shuffle.
Elliott at 15 — Do read the op-ed from the Mesa police chief. It lays out the information in plain terms for that area — and makes it clear that the inflated “fear, fear, fear” rhetoric is altogether hollow and unsupported by the facts.
Christy!
Bush has got nuthin’! No momentum going anywhere, just empty rhetoric, and a strong desire to keep his UE arguments out of Court.
He’s hiding, not leading.
In a conversation after the service yesterday with a parishioner who is a teacher—the service was on Bullying — we somehow got on to the subject of Dodd and the FISA hold. I mentioned his book about his father’s letters from Nuremberg. She said that she was noticing in the newer history books that they are saying that the Nuremberg trials went overboard. OVERBOARD regarding torture!
They are re-writing history to suit their frame. War crimes are no big deal after all!
According to Washington-based Refugees International the U.S. has admitted fewer than 800 Iraqi refugees since the invasion.
I remember during the fall of the Soviet Union that food was rotting in the fields, that they couldnt get the red army to dig potatoes. And here we are with apples rotting in Washington’s orchards.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 18
Good for him. Power speaking truth.
More of this please.
Well I hope Valerie’s book starts reviving the MSM questions on Cheney etal. It seems what interest MSM had is flagging with mania about Hilary’s “underwear drawer” as Jane so aptly puts it.
This whole Gooper frame on immigration is really diabollically timed. There are how many Iraqi refugees?
In the US, when an illegal immigrant gets caught breaking the law, he faces certain deportation – he is fully aware of that fact. It stands to reason that most illegals try to stay out of trouble.
In Costa Rica, the Costa Ricans blame the illegal Nicaraguans for every crime. If it weren’t sad, it would be hilarious.
In America, we used to blame the Indians. Now we blame blacks and hispanics.
mui @ 24
I would love to see Valerie and her husband work the circuit seperately, they could get one then the other but not both together.
Deb at 21 — It was unusual because the op-ed appeared in the AZ Republic, which is quite a conservative newspaper. There are often LTE as well as editorials and news stories promoting the “fear the illegals” sort of viewpoint in it. It’s unusual to see that sort of rebuttal article there. And I’m wondering if that means that some tide on public opinion on this is beginning to crack?
mui @ 24
The reich wing needs a scapegoat. They always have. They always will. The need and the rhetoric are kicked up many notches when things are not going well for their side. The prospect of “losing” in Iraq has brought out all the crazies to vent their anger. It’s gotta g somewhere so they pick on the most vulnerable. It shows how tough they are.
5 minute lights just dimmed
Heard this story this am on npr, farmers in Ca changing what they plant because they can’t hire local or immigrant labor– one farmer has pickers 60-70 years old coming from Mexico every day.
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..d=15503698
Also, and OT, I heard the final report from Tom Bullock of npr Iraq bureau who has been over 22 times in 4.5 years. I found it moving, having heard his voice so many days over that time.
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..d=15503707
hackworth @ 26
So much for the “Party of Lincoln”, eh?
RevDeb @ 29
So they take it out on how many domestic and agricultural workers?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
Nearly eight years of Bushco has screwed things up so badly for the average American, that people are willing to listen and are beginning to pay attention. They’re wondering if maybe the liberals are right.
RevDeb @ 21
holy cow! deb, if the conversation comes up again – i’d love to know the textbook(s) or even publisher that has done that.,, the reason i ask is that i would go to the effort to try to track down the changes (when they were made, what the old edititions taught vs. the new). i think a lot of parents would like to have that info made known to them… and if you can point me in the right direction, i’d be happy to try to track down the details.
I was actually looking at census records for Chicago in the late 1800s not too long ago. It seems that every house on variuos streets had a recently emigrated Irish domestic worker listed in the household (some as young as 15). Does it occur to Dobbs, perhaps there’s an ancestor or too in those records with a parallel experience to what newer immigrants are experiencing now?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
here’s hoping.
i’d love, as i know you would, to see the schip bill (next time it comes around) include immigrant children.
selise,
I’ll try to remember to ask her then next time I see her.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
He lays it out clearly. How refreshing!
Wouldn’t want to confuse Dobbs with any facts.
Interesting that Gascón came to Mesa from LA btw.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of trolls?
The Lurking Mod knows.
OT
Blackwater has changed to a kinder gentler logo.
The trolls don’t stand a chance in the storm of truth that will ensue with the resident Plameologists in the room.
I had one of Pat Buchanan’s deep fried Reconquistas the other day. Make sure you ask for extra cilantro and sour cream!
/snark
RevDeb @ 38
thank you.
it seriously disturbes me when my generation tries to teach the worst of our pathologies to the next – and it makes it that much harder for our culture to step back from torture.
better to try to stop it now, before it comes even more “normalized”
I wrote a song about it!
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..ebate.html
Quite funny – if you don’t mind having “The Candyman” stuck in your head all morning…
RevDeb @ 41
I couldn’t have said it better. Actually the logo makes me think of Jagermeister and mooseheads and guys in pickup trucks with rifle racks.
OT msg to zennurse – if you’re still here, “emma” is up.
selise @ 47
Thanks, honey, loved the pigs!!!
I’ll do it after Valerie visits.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 8
Reminded of “Trading Places.” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/
Manipulation of people’s live’s for for the pleasure of the rich and the thrill of winning, a “one dollar bet.” Gross
mui @ 46
Cheeney must’ve helped with the logo idea. The new one looks like Haliburton with a bear paw.
Legal immigrants have helped give birth to the American Idea. And the American idea has always been to push beyond the frontiers, whether in geography (Manifest Destiny), science (splitting the atom, DNA), invention (the telephone, the lightbulb, the airplane, the Internet), industry (mass production), music (jazz, rock and roll), and popular culture (Hollywood).
Another 42 billion for perpetual war!!!
hackworth @ 49
maybe it’s an indication of merger talks. /s –or not?
Biodun @ 50
a hybrid vigor of ideas!
Elliott @ 53
With WHO!?!
weather OT.
i know i’m not supposed to be enjoying global warming (*) this much…
in central MA, there’s a crystal clear blue sky, a gentle breeze, in the mid-60s and expected to hit 80 today. on october 22.
(*) disclaimer – yes, i know, i can’t blame specific weather events on global climate change.
zennurse @ 48
night time is good… let the computer work while you sleep *g*
mui @ 54
Halliburton Blackwater
Elliott @ 58
That’s scary. And who retains what?
selise @ 56
At the beach on the coast, I already have the ceiling fan running and there are folks on the beach outside. Think I may wade later today, eye covered with plastic and patch. Gonna be 50 and rainy on Wed, selise, get outside while TIVO is on.
Plame book up to #36 at amazon.
Elliott @ 57
When you strong arm everyone and everything you do, Oil Services and Private Defense and Security go hand in glove. A better marriage cannot be found.
hackworth @ 61
scares me! I’m sorry I thought of it.
Elliott @ 57
So what to call them, HalliWater or BlackBurton?
George Gascón?
Hmmm . . . what’s that little mark above the “o” in his last name? Obviously, it is proof that this whole piece is a liberal, old-Europe plot. How else could they get a French police chief in Mesa?
/snark
dakine01 @ 63
Haliburton’s Backwater starring Dick Cheeney.
OT..
TPM
Elliott @ 63
The thought of any of these corporations expanding and merging and acquisitioning on taxpayer/Iraqi & American blood money is not only frightening in a nightmare way but some how makes the mind want to French Revolutionize.
25%! I’ve been in for 23 for a long time. It’s gonna happen. Our sorry nation.
Peterr @ 40
However this site is run, it works beautifully.
Jane had a brilliant idea to begin with, and the fine-tuning of her blog has only served to make it better and better. Thanks mods. Thanks Christy and Jane and all.
This is my daily “must-read” place. -ahem- and “launching” place for well-informed activism.
The combo of careful fact-checking, serious debate, abundant spirit and pizzazz simply cannot be beat. imho ;->
Steve-AR @ 67
These are the same intellectual midgets who think they will recognize the New Messiah.
Whoofah.
-GSD
Steve-AR @ 66
how low can he go
OT..I think the shit is fix’n to hit the fan.
Huffpo
egregious @ 61
Hi egreg.
Anyone know if it’s in the brick-&-mortar stores yet? I luvs doin’ my buying that way, politicking as I go. fah-la-lah – [& she looks so innocent, with that grey hair, heh]
guess valerie is running late
Steve-AR @ 73
To be quite frank, I think the Turkish army overreacts in its response to Kurds time and time again.
since everyone is already freaked out by halliwater…
from scott horton at harpers:
perris @ 75
do you mean here?
i thot that was PDT.
Great post! Thanks so much for addressing this ridiculously potent myth.
Finally, the long awaited and much anticipated Broder Bounce – w. at 25%!
perris @ 74
perris,
it’s at 1:30 our time
10:30 fdl time
OT–
What some of us have talked about at FDL in the comments within the past three weeks or so is now the cover story in the current Newsweek:
mui @ 76
cheney is as we speak trying to sure up his agenda, he first had the moron named krystol actually have the nerve to say “the only thing preventing success in Iraq is Iran”…this idiot said that yesterday with his little smile that tells everyone;
“I can’t believe you are gonna let me say this”
now cheney gets on and says
man, the more exposed they become the more brazen their acts
and we are letting them dismantle this republic not one brick at a time but paragraph of the constitution by holy paragrpaph
This is kind of on topic. I got the elders’ approval at church to form an official Peacemakers Group and have had several people express interest already.
I plan to address the war, but I also see us taking action on issues like hatred and economic injustice because those things are so intricately related to peace – or the lack thereof.
We happen to live in an area where racism against Latino people is not even disguised. People who wouldn’t dare comment publicly about African Americans or other ethnic groups, have no compunction about making derogatory remarks about those “Mexicans.”
I was really shocked by it when I moved to this area three years ago. I had come from a poorer, rural community and didn’t see such overt racism there.
I guess it just means we have a LOT of work to do.
Ah lost my edit @76. But wise US policy would have had us stay out of the miserable Turkish/Kurdish impasse, but Chimpnit didn’t think of that I guess.
selise @ 77
Of all people to point it out, Andrew Sullivan(this morning I believe) documented how Darth Vader was saying the same things about Iraq back before the war started.
Elliott @ 81
hehe…been waiting around keeping you guys company when I should have been earning
off to earn, see all later
selise @ 77
and he was banging that war drum,
CSPAN ran it but I don’t see it in their archive
perris @ 75
The Book Salon starts at 10:30 FDL time . . . about 2 1/2 hours from now. Relax, perris — she’ll get here.
And Pakistan is also one of the most corrupt countries on earth. Benazir Bhutto is facing corruption charges that are to be dismissed in the shaky deal with Musharraf. And when she was in power, her husband used to be known as “Mr. 10 percent” because he pocketed 10 percent of all government contracts.
The chat doesn’t start until 10:30 am PT/1:30 pm ET. Folks, the schedules for the Book Salons are all in the right-hand column of the blog with dates and times included for each one.
Peterr @ 89
ya, just found that out, me feels foolish
anyway, I hope greenwald, stark, kos and our other favorites have been told she’ll be here and I hope they stop buy
1. Well, anytime I hear from the pro-illegals crowd, I always tell them the following: We here in Texas will be mighty happy to ship all our illegals up to your backyard. There’s several millions of them. We’ll gladly ship them all up to your neck of the woods and you can sit around, sing kum-ba-yah, and deal with them. Ok?
I always hearing the crickets chirping in response.
2. Glad Commander Guy continues to sink. He deserves it.
Ghostman
Biodun @ 90
See I have not followed that. Was Bhutto really corrupt or did her um opposition trump up some stuff? And is Musharraf really all that better?
Peterr @ 89
Maybe the ET times need to be bolded for the analog impaired…including moi *g*
And the “deal” between Musharraf and Bhutto is already unraveling:
For those who are jonesing? Actually the comments on this youtube are horrifying like some misogynistic ass bets that she’ll be Playb*y
Hi Christy.
I know I’ve said this before, months ago, but might bear repeat, fwiw.
We go on Elderhostel trips & the like. We were deep into s. AZ and s. TX within this past year. Met many locals, were in local stores and off-road areas glorying in the beautiful land, wildlife et al.
We noticed NOTHING even remotely akin to the balderdash bushco spreads about [fear-&-loathin’ of any brown menace]. Quite the opposite.
If anything, we detected a spirit of resentment at the current disruption of “normal” friendly relations back and forth a-x the border. It was really sad to see the squashing of community spirit that once existed.
ymmv, of course. but i don’t think our “seasoned” minds are totally oblivious of our surroundings at such times…
old gold @ 80
Being a Beltway pundit means never having to say you’re sorry no matter how many times you get it wrong. That’s because it isn’t about getting things right for their readers. It’s about doing right by the very large corporations which employ them. Nobody can be as obtuse, dishonest, and boneheaded stupid as David Broder is. His views are for sell and it is pretty clear he has sold them.
Biodun @ 96
Maybe this sounds naive. But there is something stand up about her. I would be too terrified to go back.
mui @ 94
All Pakistani leaders have been/are corrupt: Ali Bhutto (Benazir’s father); General Zia (who had Ali executed two years after his coup against him); Benazir Bhutto; Nawaz Sharif; and Musharraf. All of them are/were corrupt.
awww perris. don’t feel bad.
i know you did that just to make us old coots n’ biddies feel better. ;->
and
MusharrifMusharraf…Biodun @ 96
Bhutto didn’t learn from Faust. :(
Speaking of immigrants and immigration, Sara over at Orcinus has been doing an absolutely fascinating series on a book titled Albion’s Seed.
Note to self, start using the spell check.
Biodun, not to worry. Pakistan is our good ally in the Global War on Terror. It is as stable and steadfast as our other great ally on the war on terror Saudi Arabia. So there is really nothing to worry about here, nothing at all.
radiofreewill @ 20
Did anyone else catch it last week, when blitzer or some dang fool tried to get us to feel sorry for booosh, because he only just recently had managed to get a little r & r time whackin’ brush, instead of workin’ so wretched h-a-r-d all-a-dam-time. poor babe? egad! *blertch*
Hugh @ 106
So snarky this a.m. Hugh :)
The next few weeks and/or months should be quite interesting for Chimpy and his crew: developments in Pakistan; the situation with Turkey and PKK in Kurdistan in northern Iraq (Turkey has amassed troops at the border waiting for the right moment to pounce, defying the US and hm… the Iraqi “government”); and of course Iraq. Add to the mix his antagonism toward Congress, although MSM already has him “winning” that war.
Biodun @ 90
As I recall from ‘ancient’ history, she was forced to marry because of religious proscription against women. I don’t recall any charges of corruption against her personally – shame on him if it’s true.
Thanks for sharing this — I loved the book.
Helpless Dancer @ 105
Over the weekend Bobby Jindal won the governor race in Louisiana by 53% of the votes. This is the first time since Reconstruction that a non-white was elected governor. Is it significant? I think what it shows is that if you are a hardline Conservative (or maybe even Rightwing) you can get elected there. It should be noted there were no Democrats running other than Sen Walter Boasso who was Republican until last year when he decided to run. He re-registered as a Democrat.
They all switch around to be elected. Bobby Jindal changed religion from Hindu to Catholic. Good move in that local. However, central Louisiana (super-duper Rightwingers) did not vote him in.
Republicans shouldn’t read too much into this for themselves because all it means is the people had no political choice. Louisiana is depleted of good Democrats. From the heavily populated areas, Bobby Jindal is described as intelligent, has good family values, is Conservative, anti-abortion and is tough on crime. If he does a good job, Mary Landrieu can kiss her sorry seat goodbye.
kdh22 @ 108
It’s a Sunshine Day. So let’s put on our best clothes and go to Sears.
All I can say is the strategy of the Project for a New American Century has worked brilliantly.
America has never been more beloved in the world and our economy has never been stronger and the nation has never been as united.
-GSD
Bhutto and corruption charges:
QuakerGirl @ 112
If the Rethugs could have found one already, she’d might have packed it in. She only did herself in after jumping in bed with HoJo(metaphorically of course).
Biodun @ 109
A supposed cease-fire by Kurd rebels to take place tonight (uh, now in Iraq time). I guess the Turkish army rolling in must have been a frightful sight.
O/T — but in a “truth-impaired”
world, it is oddly on topic here. . .
blackwater changed its logo. . .
okay — AND I LOVE THIS SORT
of TRIVIA — there, disclaimer
done. . . now, check out the
COVER of the fall 2007 edition
of the blackwater ALUMNI news-
letter. . . i am crappin’ you nega-
tive! — the “truth” is always far stranger. . .
why did they set the word “truth” in
quotation marks, in reference to erik
prince’s testimony on the hill on october 2,
2007? because he has already repeatedly
“erh. . . corrected” it? or, is in an inside joke?
i dunno — but it is hilarious!
my gift to the reality-based
blogosphere — for today. . .
great stuff, as ever, chs!
Biodun @ 115
I think she was just frugal. A few dollars here a few dollars there, pretty soon you have $1.5 billion.
Hugh @ 119
Save a penny!
mui @ 113
That is just bizarre.
Hugh @ 121
It’s American escapism. You call that bizarre?
Hugh @ 119
Being an American, I’ve not heard of ‘commissions’ on gov’t contracts? How does that work exactly? /s
Biodun @ 90
This is common practice. Ibu Tin, Suharto’s wife in Indonesia, was also known as Ibu “Ten” Percent. She got 10 percent of every bank transaction, business deal, US contract and anything else she could claim. They stocked billions of US$ in foreign banks. We call that corruption but in most parts of the world it is called “good business” practice. It is only used as a negative when trying to destroy someones’ reputation in the eyes of the West.
Apparently in Pakistan it is called bribery and it is a crime.
In America it is called cost plus and it is the American dream for military/defense contractors.
-GSD
Chimpy and future US presidents will also have this to worry about–presumably after “winning” the Global War on Terror:
kdh22 @ 123
Well our ex-governor of CT got a hottub and a fixer on a run down summer cottage. I guess it’s called something different here.
GSD @ 125
GSD summing it up!
Biodun @ 126
Hey! Just because America put it’s flag on the moon first . . .
GSD @ 125
I knew I could count on you, GSD, to explain it so well :) :)
What’s the expression? “People who live in glass houses…”
Biodun @ 131
What the Hell?!
Biodun @ 131
It’s just little Miss Irrelevant trying to shift the attention away.
SOP.
perris @ 92
I got confused, too; must be the excitement! (Darn timezones!)
I’d better got do some work now so I can be here at 1:30!
And how do you like them apples:
Laughable. (Same link as my 131.)
Anyone following how this affects the immigrants in or around Irving, TX?
racial profiling
immigration crackdown
immigrants leaving schools
Biodun @ 126
Say what you will about China, but they have managed to join a very exclusive club. There are now three countries that have the ability to put a man in space. Of course they had the help of technology transfers courtesy of companies like Loral.
KinMO @ 132
Quick, someone alert Alannis Morisette because this actually IS ironic… don’t you think?
OT..Thugs don’t want to stress air travelers:
link
Biodun @ 131
Poor Condi. She is so sidelined that like Nixon talking to portraits of dead presidents, Condi is talking to the inanimate camera. No one in the World is listening. Poor, poor, Condi.
Condi Rice will be the elected president of the Peter Principal Institute when she retires from fu*king up US world relations in 2009.
-GSD
fyi – i just called senator whitehouse’s office again (here’s my comment reporting friday’s call).
on friday, it was reported that senator whitehouse had voted for the senate intelligence’s fisa bill (although it contained telco immunity and other bad stuff). over the weekend, we have a new report that senator whitehouse voted against stripping telco immunity from the senate intelligence committee’s fisa bill:
so i called back… this morning the person who answered the phone seemed to find it unbelievable that senator whitehouse would vote for telco immunity. i agree – it seems quite out of character, at least what we have seen so far. she asked to put me on hold while she called two aides to find out what was going on…. no one seems to know – or is not telling. i asked for a statement explaining the votes…
it might help to have other people call his office to ask why he voted the way he did, and to support senator dodd’s efforts to block the bill.
senator sheldon whitehouse – 202-224-2921
Biodun @ 135
you’re giving me stitches!
Re: Time-zones (for those who need to know: Pacific, Central, Eastern, Pakistan, Turkey, China, Russia, what have you):
Time-zones World Clock.
hello peoples.
got nuthin’ to say, really. not that that’s ever stopped me from posting before. but today, just “hello.”
Steve-AR @ 139
Then add in the fact that recent TSA tests show that in most airports, screeners are missing 70 percent of (fake,hopefully!)bombs and components.
mui @ 36
It’s interesting, yes. The county in northeastern KY where my grandfather was born and raised (and his father and grandfather too) had Irish and German immigrants, as well as some from Russia. It’s not an urban area, even now.
Tancredo’s grandparents were immigrants from Italy – I think of him as an ‘I’ve got mine, now raise the drawbridge’ kind of person (Clarence Thomas is another, in a different way).
GSD @ 114
Yes, I agree completely that that PNAC is achieving all of its goals. They just don’t happen to be the ones you say they are.
1) “America has never been more beloved” should be replaced with the Bush understanding of the role of the despot in an imperial regime. Oderint dum metuant “Let them hate, so long as they fear.” Attributed by Seneca to the playwright Lucius Accius, and said to be a favourite saying of Caligula’s and now Lil’ George’s as well.
2) “Our economy has never been stronger” is a statement made by the military-industrial complex enjoying unprecedented profitability and privatization of the public treasury. Truly, a revolution in the practice of war is underway, and seemingly unstoppable by civil society or any foreign adversaries. Never before in the history of the world has any nation spent $1 Trillion per year fighting a noun.
3) “(T)he nation has never been so united” in its collective willingness to turn a blind eye to the criminality of its leadership. Congress declares impeachment to be “off the table” in the face of the most outrageous war crimes, war profiteering, illegal torture, illegal wiretapping and corruption in the history of the nation. A craven media turns a blind eye to government crime for the sake of “access” and morsels of gossips from those in power; completely abdicating its role as a watchdog on the government. Finally, the public is in a sultry and stubborn mood deciding to kick the weak and kiss the behind of the mighty. What unites this society today is its complete insanity. I think we acquired this from the Middle East.
kdh22 @ 123
I was about to comment in amazement about a prominent public official in Mesa, Arizona saying something smart, but then I found George Gascón’s bio at the end of the op-ed and realized he only moved there a year ago.
Okay.
Teresa Nielsen Hayden @ 150
How nice to have the Making Light folks here with us today.
Love your place Teresa!
Selise @142:
I am not reading the Whitehouse vote the way you do.
1. Nelson offered the amendment to STRIP
immunity (I.e. No immunity for telcos).
2. All except Whitehouse & two others voted AGAINST the amendment (I.e., FOR immunity).