Ah, Little Green Footballs, the blog you read when you’re just too lazy to drink strychnine. Apparently wee Chuckie Greenballs has drawn a bead on our John Amato of Crooks and Liars and the results are predictably hilarious and yet somehow the whole business makes you feel kind of dirty afterwards like you’ve been inappropriately touched by your uncle.
On Friday, Crooks and Liars ran a video of Pete Stark’s from-the-hip remarks regarding the Bush Administration’s hard line in the War on Children. Mr. Amato included both a poll and a video clip. The new poll features is still a little wonky and somehow the combined code lines for the clip and the poll feature caused a section of the transcript of Stark’s statement to get dropped from the resulting post.
Enter some wahoo called the Gateway Pundit, who takes it upon himself to accuse C&L of engaging in a cover-up by not producing a transcript of the full video. (”It’s a liberal trick to make you think Stark didn’t say what he actually said!”) And then of course, Charles Johnson had to leap on board to bring his vast skills as a typographer and expert on PhotoShop kerning to bear on the issue.
Because nothing says, “level eleventy-kajillion black-belt debunker of liberal media tricks” like a stringy gray ponytail and a face like a peeled potato. And D-cup man-boobs. And a seemingly endless supply of eye-punishing Hawaiian shirts.
But where was I? Oh, yes, so, do you remember Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite? Frozen forever trying to recapture the magic that was 1982, the year he almost made it to the state playoffs? Well, Johnson and most of his Righty fellow travelers are convinced that their heroic work on the Dan Rather/Texas Air National Guard story was their finest hour, and that their next big bwa-ha-haaa moment is right around the corner, as soon as they unearth the Next Big Liberal Media Conspiracy, the frantic pursuit of which has led them down innumerable blind alleys and resulted in sorry spectacles like Michelle Malkin stalking the Frost family.
Because the Keyboard Kommandos fear nothing! Except running out of Mountain Dew and Junior Mints. And their parents finally wising up and and kicking them out of the basement room.
Well, I sent my own sources to investigate just what in the hell was going on over at Crooks and Liars headquarters on Friday and the truth will astonish you.
That post was in fact part of a joint conspiracy between Amato and the Islamofascists. It was ghost-written by Iraqi police captain Jamil Hussein. And Captain Hussein arrived at the C&L batcave in a magical, flying Lebanese ambulance.
Nice try, Charles. Maybe you should try a little less obsessing over non-existent conspiracies and a little more time trying not to look like The Thing That the Styx Tour Bus Left Behind.
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ZED!
TRex!!!!!!!
TRex!!!
I’ll go get em.
TRex!! tres!
okay, cinco…
Breathe!!!
TRex!
G’day Trex
Evening, gang.
I am sooooo tired.
I got in about an hour ago from the beach.
oh fun, TRex, which beach?
Dog Island, a barrier island on the Gulf Coast of Florida. It’s totally undeveloped, just houses and a nature sanctuary.
It was gorgeous and peaceful. I am sunburned and exhausted and happy.
This still has to be the worst..since CNN suports this “person”:
MM
so anyway…
Thank God this works now…. Hi TRex… need water?
Need food.
Man, I don’t know what happened to the post.
I swear I didn’t do anything except wander away to scoop the cat box.
huzzah! Da Lake rules!
TRex @ 11
When I was a kid we went to Destin every year. It was like that then.
D cup manboobs? ohmystars, how errr uplifting
Damn that’s good snark! LOL
I swear I have seen that creepy man taken out in handcuffs on one of those Dateline NBC To Catch A Prevert specials.
-GSD
Hiya TREX! Hi y’all!
And Mary’s zed reappears . . .
EPU’d from downstairs …
Suz, deep breathing helps to relieve stress … and so do “Stupid Men” jokes … *g*
A man is driving down a road. He notices that his ex- wife is driving down the same road from the opposite direction.
As they pass each other, the woman leans out the window and yells “PIG!!”
The man immediately leans out his window and yells, “BITCH!!”
They each continue on their way, and as the man rounds the next curve, he crashes into a huge pig in the middle of the road.
MORAL OF THE STORY:
If only men would listen.
My friend Sharla and I found a wrecked sailboat about a half mile down the beach, a big one. It was called the Euphoria and it looked like it’s been sitting there for months.
I took pictures, which I should be uploading to my Facebook account any minute now. (snort)
Glenn Beck stated, “I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today.”
Hey, thanks SteveAr. I could have lived without hearing that. (s’okay.)
What a horribly mean thing for him to say.
Petrocelli, since we’re giving you orders tonight, will you call him up and tell him about attracting negative karma?
Speaking of polls and Ron Paul, Faux Spew’s text poll of the debate had Paul consistently winning the debate, and, Hannity snarled that the Dems and Paul’s followers must’ve been behind it! I’ve been scanning their web site to see if they’d post the results, zilch, de nada…!!! *g*
TRex @ 15
Dinner is ready….. lovely grilled herb crusted pork loin and roasted veggies….. nice glass of Shiraz if you so desire…. AND raspberry tort with organic vanilla ice cream for desert….
I need to get back to work OR stop watching the Food Network
Peterr @ 22
I am suddenly feeling much better.
nice to be back on late nite, TRex – and how nice that you got to spend the day at the beach
i can almost smell the salt in the air when i breath deeply and think good things (thanks pet)
EPU’d from downstairs-thanks to Suzanne, Cassie, Loo Hoo and the rest who sent good vibes last night to the little guy for his first school bus ride this morning. All went well, a bit of blubbering on my part.
katymine @ 27
Are you at ET’s house?
:-)
They also fear sudden price spikes in cheese-flavored corn chip products…’Communist preversion!’
…And fuck Glenn Beck.
of course you blubbered, madmommy, the rule book says you are supposed to – just to humiliate the little guy
tomorrow will be much easier
CTuttle @ 26
The MSM has been consistently underreporting Paul’s popularity with the Republican base. Wait until Nancy “eleven-percent” Pelosi and Harry “the cave-man” Ried learn that getting our ass out of Iraq “plays in Peoria.”
almost forgot…
Hello sunburnt T-Rex!
Suzanne, madam, hope you are well. (xxx)
TRex, I am confused. I have a college age reading level and I am pretty well informed regarding the news, so why don’t I understand your posts?
demi @ 25
what the hell is this man talking about?? (’specially since most of the homes lost were in San Diego County, which just luvs them some repugs!)
darkblack @ 32
i’ll leave that errrr pleasure(?) to you, db
madmommy @ 30
I bet he had the best day ever.
Laura Doty @ 6
Laura, I left a comment for you, and for LS downstairs. Laura, many thanks for your nice words.
wigwam @ 34
They will never get it cause they are too busy running into walls.
Suzanne @ 33
Oh, no, just like with the big kid, I was the big mommy cheerleader till they were safely loaded and on down the road. Then, blubbering.
katymine @ 27
Putting on the (not so) virtual pounds from the virtual feast!
Honest, Doc, i’ve been cutting back on my eating…
Evening, all. Thanks for the chuckle, TRex — your description of eye punishing hawaiian shirts is spot on.
SnarKassandra @ 36
There’s a lot of back-story here, babe. Ancient blog history. I’ll explain everything when you’re older.
*smooch*
(That always worked for my dad…)
OldCoastie @ 37
We’re not dealing with the brightest bulb in the fixture, remember.
Suzanne @ 38
Believe me, S., it’s no pleasure. The median IQ of the planet drops whenever he lets his mouth give shape to his ignorance.
Snark@36
TRex posts in “advanced snark” terminology, which you will get completely in a few years, especially if you keep hanging around here.
He cooks up a wicked brew of verbage, but you’ll catch on soon, what with life giving you experience alla time.
TRex @ 45
I bet you’ll understand my post. It is all about censorship at school.
demi @ 25
I mistakenly turned on his network … he was sharing a split screen with D’Louza …
enough negative karma there to make Mary Poppins instantaneously combust !
Steve-AR @ 12
Last I heard there were 250,000 evacuees in San Diego County alone.
SnarKassandra @ 39
Have you told him he has to go to school again tomorrow?
Steve-AR @ 12
SOB better hope I never meet up with him.
SnarKassandra @ 39
He came running up the drive yelling “I rida bus!”
darkblack @ 32
Oh, no, he di’n’t say that!
I wouldn’t fuck glenn beck with a 30′ dildo.
madmommy @ 46
Not to mention, there’s a reason Orange County is called the Orange Curtain. Most of the rethug politicians in California hail from OC…
wigwam @ 34
Colmes shot back that Paul does have a following…! I was fascinated by the pre-selected individuals that manned their Joy buttons, a more rabid bunch could not be found… The line peaked after every Clinton bash…!!!
madmommy @ 54
He is talking better already! See? It worked!
peanutbutter @ 44
Are you safe and sound???
madmommy @ 54
OK, that’s just adorable…
madmommy @ 42
Even when you’re putting up a good face, your kids know how you really feel inside …
trust me on this … they pick up vibrations instantly and can not be fooled until they’re much older.
SnarKassandra @ 49
One day these knuckle-draggers will learn that telling a kid they can’t read-do-see something is the equivalent to waving a red flag in front of a bull.
CTuttle @ 59
Yeah. Fire’s about two miles east of me, but blowing south (and actually going north at last report –wtf– toward Silverado as the wind seems to be winding down), so ironically while my house is much closer to the fire than my work, I can breathe at home, but work’s downwind and completely smothered. I had a headache all day today that went away when I got home; I may try working from home tomorrow…
peanutbutter @ 56
The OC, once the whitest county in America, is becoming more diverse, thanks to the Hispanic and Asian communities. Although once the home to Bob “B-1″ Dornan, it is now represented by Lorena (sp?) Sanchez, IIRC.
pb, I’m sure that the powers that be at your work would completely understand if you wanted to work from home, given the circumstances.
Snark249
Your blog subject was good, although I think with the subject of the book being necrophilia, the teacher might have anticipated the response he got from the parents.
PB, are you in SD?
madmommy @ 54
what a cutie! Such a big step …
kristine @ 52
He really likes it, and tomorrow is speech day. He goes to extra ST 2xweek and he really, really likes his speech therapist. Basically he has a thing for much older women, which to a 4 year old is anyone over the age of 10.
I’m gonna go in a few and work on reading my Alice Walker book some more.
I’m moving through it ever so slowly. Read. Ponder. Re-read that paragraph.
Indulge me a moment to share a portion:
He knew, he finally knew, why he was capable of falling in love so easily, even with his own wife’s mother. It was because he was a musician and an artist. Artist, he now understood, were simply messengers. On them fell the responsibility for uniting the world.
itwasntme @ 66
My school is completely the opposite. We celebrate banned book week and you can earn prizes by reporting on banned books that you can get from the school library.
I love his “I rida bus!”
makes me get all soft and warm inside… little guy is talking more and more :)
Get Beck a house in San Diego county, out in the country where the only firetruck in the area has a volunteer crew.
It’s still blowing out there. Two days now, and the last forecast I saw said through Wednesday.
(I was trying to comment on the last thread, and the antivirus update kept re-booting the computer. PITA.)
kristine @ 64
Don’t be overly fooled by this; we’re gerrymandered up the wazoo. Take a look at Sanchez’s district’s shape sometime. They scootched all the Dems into it to safeguard all the rest of the districts. Still and all: yes, there will eventually be more cracks in that as time goes on. It will not happen quickly. Campbell, Miller, Rohrbach, et al, all admirably carry on good ol’ Bob’s work.
CTuttle @ 57
I have a friend who is a big Ron Paul fan, and he has been showing me the videos of the crowds at some of these debates and contrasting them with what the media are saying. Unless he is completely bullshitting me, Ron Paul’s popularity with young conservatives is the best kept secret in U.S. politics, which has way too many well kept secrets.
I really like Libertarians so long as we talk about foreign policy and consitutional rights. But once they start pitching their “unseen-hand job,” things get really tense. I believe in big government and high taxes, which absolutely shocks them. But statistics from the rest of the industrialized world back up the traditional liberal position, and now Krugman articulates it so well.
peanutbutter @ 63
Stay safe. Nothing is more important than your well-being. And if you have it, keep the AC on if you’re home.
(((Peanutbutter)))
Mommybrain @ 67
Orange County — we’ve got the Santiago fire blowing all over — 15K acres at last report: periodically updated link here.
Suzanne @ 72
baby steps!
Uncle Buck? No, that was John Candy. Napoleon’s uncle’s friends and clients called him… Uncle Rico!
demi @ 70
THE TEMPLE OF MY FAMILIAR!!
I love that book.
wigwam @ 75
I like ‘Liberaltarian’…!!! *g*
madmommy @ 78
I bet he wants you to call them big boy steps.
big boys ride the bus
wigwam @ 75
Unseen hand job?
The unseen hand-job. Also known as Adam Smith’s invisible reach-around.
-GSD
John @ 79
D’oh!!
Okay, must get food. Now.
I think I am going to be forced to resort to something that gets handed to me out of a window by a person in a paper hat.
Snark@75
Wow – great school! It never hurts to have a wide-open mind.
TRex @ 87
You should try what we do. Cook a gigantic lasagna on Sunday with spinach inside so you don’t need an extra veggie, and then eat it for 2 or 3 days.
SnarKassandra @ 82
You’re probably right, but I was thinking more of the speech progress. Besides, it won’t matter if he grows up to be 6′ 5″ he will still be my baby. It’s the mommy perogative ;0)
Lots of Ron Paul supporters here in AZ… and even some of Dems think he is great because of his position on the war but they seem blind to his positions on social safety net… which is destroy all of them… shut them down
wigwam @ 75
I’ve noticed that there seems to be a real, er, enthusiasm for Ron Paul by his supporters. The first ‘08 bumper sticker I saw was for RP, and I’ve seen a number of “google Ron Paul” signs posted.
Not sure what this portents. I’ll leave it to wiser minds at the Lake…
TRex,
What an incredible writer.
When I started the book, you said it changed your life.
I thought, whoa, that’s a pretty big statement, but, I see why you said that.
Talk about inciteful!
My brain leaks.
Dog Island, how beautiful & fun! Though I had my first jelly fish sting there…be careful. I hope you can visit Bird Island as well, more sand dollars than you can fit in your pockets, and not a building or a tree – just white sand.
If he grows up to be 6′5″, he might have to be my baby.
Ahem.
marymccurnin @ 84
You have to hyphenate it the right way, or someone could get the wrong impression. It’s “unseen-hand job.” ;-)
Well! Imho, i think Charles Johnson & pals are carrying on about a non-existent Liberal Media Conspiracy because they are part of the Mickey Kaus cover up. Are they part of the herd of goat-boys? I think they must also be baaaaaaaaaad boys. Why are they not denying this story! Complicity, i say! Complicity!
Bob “Every lesbian spear chucker in this country is hoping I get defeated.” Dornan?
-GSD
TRex @ 95
Depending on forelimb size and length of teeth.
katymine @ 91
*Lots* of Paul supporters in OC, especially among the younger republicans. OC’s brand of conservatism is more libertarian than neocon, so he really appeals here.
GSD @ 98
the very same!
madmommy @ 90
I will be my mom’s baby again if she ever decides to stop using drugs and learns to be a real mom again.
Oh, and I heart Vincent D’Onofrio.
We stumbled upon a Criminal Intent marathon on Direct TV.
Oh, and I heart Vincent D’Onofrio.
We stumbled upon a Criminal Intent marathon on Direct TV.
ohmystars, ndfg, you been reading about the goats over at the group news blog? has had me in stiches laughing
TRex @ 95
Bit of an age gap, eh? He’s only 4!
GSD @ 98
LOL…707…LOL…
peanutbutter @ 53
Take a number.
She has no idea what she’s missing.
ohmystars, ndfg you’ve been reading about the goats over at the group news blog – that has had me in stitches laughing
Just finished my first day of serious legal blogging. IANAL Version 1.0. Tomorrow will be version 1.0.1…
SnarKassandra @ 102
Keep the faith, (((Cassie)))
madmommy @ 104
Oh, I can wait 30 years. No prob.
Suzanne, your fingers are stuttering.
Valley Girl…just got off the phone with a friend. Sorry to be so slow getting back to you. Thanks for your kind words.
PB!! Glad to know you are ok!!
(and I DID misunderstand unseen hand-job). !
katymine @ 91
The moral of this sordid tale is; Get us the f*ck out of Iraq, NOW!!! *g*
Right, food!
Back in a bit.
fuck, i have no idea why that double posted.. i’ll delete the duplicate
fuck, sorry
That’s at least 50 cents Suzanne!
Suzanne @ 118
At this rate you’re going to wear out your swear quarter, miss!
The nerve of Turkey to think they have the right to stop terrorist attacks by attacking another nation!
The US is urging, get this, restraint!
Unreal.
-GSD
SnarKassandra @ 120
Remember the same quarter theory!
TRex @ 107
Please, leave a middle-aged woman her fantasies. But I agree…he is teh hot…
{{{{{{{{Cassie}}}}}}}}
Suzanne, I believe you mentioned in the last thread you had something to share with the class?
Snark@102
I hope you get cherished just the way you deserve to be. ((((SnarKassandra))))
Suzanne @ 109
yeppers, brilliant snark (starts snickering again), laughter is the best medicine, yanno. (They do good serious stuff too.)
btw, thanks for tip re magnesium, Suze, had another migraine today that started off with intense visual aura, but have been taking the magnesium since your mention, and pain has only gotten to 1 on a scale of 1-10.
’sides, didn’t ndfg dump all her change into my swear jar downstairs? i figure i’ve got quite a lot of pottymouth in me before i go through all that coin (laughing)
CTuttle @ 116
BUT do not vote for this guy if you want…
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Universal healthcare
Public roads, library’s, schools … well you get my drift
I have lots of people loving me plenty. My mom just can’t right now. And my life is way better with her not here.
Linky to goats, please, pretty please?
Suzanne @ 128
yep. I owe ya big time for the magnesium tip (@at my comment 127)
madmommy @ 69
LOL, madmommy! I’m so glad he had a good day.
Does he like to sing or be sung to?
I’m thinking of “Take me a ride in the car car,” do you know that one?
excellent, ndfg, just double check with your doc that its ok to add mag as a daily supplement – really cut down the # of baby girl’s migraines
madmommy – you talking about promise to talk about my days (and nights) back in the day (and nite) of working urban disasters?
Sometimes love is burdensome…
peanutbutter @ 100
When I moved to California several decades ago, many of my friends were pretend Marxists — “chicks dig it.” And they kept telling me how conservative the folks from OC were. Of course, I dismissed that as pretend-Marxist exaggeration.
After I had been in CA for a year, I got on a plane heading for the midwest. The guy next to me asked where I was from and I told him. Whereupon he announced:
… after which he launched into a tirade against our “socialized parks system.”
I all but rolled on the floor laughing, because it was a total confirmation of what I had dismissed at total bullshit. If the guy had been a bit younger, he might have gotten violent toward me. As it was, he simply sulked.
Some of the people that love me bunches are telling me I need to be in bed. Without a computer.
See ya Tuesday!
Ed*ard Teller @ 111
Excellent job, ET!!!
g’nite madam president 2032
Suzanne @ 140
You all make me smile so much!!!!!!!
Suzanne @ 128
I’ve got six Ziploc bags of foreign currency, leftovers from past business trips, in my junk drawer. Canadian dollars, sterling, Euros, Swiss francs, yen, and won. I am picking up your tab tonight. So cuss all you futhermucking want.
Margot @ 133
He sings all the time. It is a challenge to figure out exactly what, sometimes. Usually I can tell the tune, then try to fit in the words. He was doing a Halloween song this weekend to the tune of Frere Jacque. It took several times through till I figured it out. The tip off was at the end he yells “BOO”
Yea “Take me Ridin’ In the Car, Car” a great Guthry song. The Grateful Dead (or maybe it was Jerry Garcia Band) did a wonderful kids CD cover of Guthry’s songs, and that’s where I heard it first. A good buy for those with lil ones. It reminds you there was a time when getting and riding in a car was a big deal.
I still sometimes sing it myself when I get in the car (my lil one is almost 17).
burnspbesq @ 141
And ironically, every one of those currencies is probably worth more than USD these days.
Suzanne @ 134
yep
burnspbesq @ 141
dood, you are so asking for trouble (laughing) have i mentioned that my dad was career navy and i worked with cops for 24 years – the first 5 of which they spent trying to make me blush (unsuccessfully i might add)
If it hasn’t been mentioned before Charlie Rose has on lying sack of sh*t Michael Hayden Director of the CIA. He’s defending our freedoms by taking them away from us. Rose isn’t that good of an interviewer but Hayden is a study in professional paranoia.
Margot @ 134
I remember when my younger brother, God rest his soul, once confessed to me (he was 13) that he preferred older girls…15 or so.
SnarKassandra @ 137
Nite Cassie…. you are very loved here and at home…
Hugh @ 147
A Senate-confirmed study in professional paranoia.
itwasntme @ 143
My little one is …almost 17. “Oooga oooga goes the horn” is not nearly so well-received as harmonizing along with “One is the loneliest number…”
itwasntme @ 131
at groupnewsblog, today’s story. And here was the beginning of the story last tuesday, a long read but worth it.
And, a cute goat pic over at Wonkette.
Madmommy, one day I picked my sprout up from preschool. He was about 4. He gave a deeply satisfied sigh as he settled back into his car seat and said “Mom, I really like my p*nis. I wish I had two of them.”
ok, let me get TLM to cover while I write this up, you wanna hear about the oakland hills fire or the loma prieta earthquake?
SnarKassandra @ 140
Now, that is sweet….
newtonusr @ 150
That makes it so much better. /snark
Suzanne @ 146
Dad was a WWII Marine…. Nurse for over 30 years and married to USAF Staff SGT for 19 yrs…. yep…. want blue air … ask what language?
katymine @ 129
True, but, both sides, Left and Right, want this travesty ended, which was my point, err moral…!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 144
Which is a perfectly acceptable reason to curse.
Suz…can we hear both?
burnspbesq @ 108
Somehow, I’d like to see him go up against Jon Stewart. I’ve never seen anybody handle loud-mouth fools better than Jon does.
Hayden insists terrorism is a war so that way he thinks they can ignore the courts.
nope, pick one while i walk token the cutest dog in the world…
Mommybrain @ 153
707!!! It is their favorite plaything, after all. The big kid got out of the car one day in the summer and was twisting about. I asked him what he was doing and he said “it’s hot and my testicles are stuck to my leg. I’m unsticking them.” Living in a housefull of men is a whole other world.
SnarKassandra @ 102
Until then, Cassie, you are our FDL baby — we love you.
Hayden now says that fewer people have been “renditioned” since 2001 than in the 1990s.
Mommybrain@154:
I just read the story of your 4 year old to my husband & we’re falling on the floor laughing. My husband was just wondering what brought that on? lol
Question…
Jeffery Feldman is one of my FB friends…. actually have known him since 2005…. Should I bring up his behavior today on the Valerie Wilson book salon?
burnspbesq @ 141
Careful, Burns, they’re worth more than our dollar… ‘cepting the yen and won, they all trade higher than 1:1…!!! ;-)
Hugh @ 166
Oh, well I feel so much better now.
Hey, I have to bug out for a while, to pack and pay bills. Will try to get back in for part of Late Late Nite.
Jayt, I haven’t forgotten that I owe you an answer to your question from last thread. Patience, mon ami. I’ll get to it.
madmommy @ 170
So, it’s all Clinton’s fault?
Good evening dear friends. Tonight’s cake is a special for madmom and her little guy.
katymine @ 168
Please do. That was a boorish farce.
Hayden says that we don’t render people to countries that torture. Of course, these are the same guys who have defined torture out of existence.
neurophius @ 172
Sorry. Classified.
Margot: I sing the car-car song to my dogs everyday…they’re at the door in a shot, no matter how softly I hum a few bars….(the teen rolls her eyes).
kristine @ 92
A few weeks ago, I advised a frustrated progressive congressional candidate in a very conservative district to “just cut loose, and take no prisoners.” (I gave that advice on the basis of the reaction I’d seen Ron Paul getting.) He said it was the best reception he’d gotten all season, with a long standing ovation at the end. This nation, both democrats and republicans, hungers for candidates who’ll stop triangulating and tell it like it is.
newtonusr @ 174
What did I miss. I had to do some actual work and attend a meeting in the middle of that thread.
Mommybrain @ 153
bwaha! My 3-1/2 grandson who is very interested in his body since he has successfully finished potty-training, was watching his cat groom himself. GS was thoroughly boggled to discover that kitty also had a p*nis. We managed to keep straight faces. Cat (as is their wont) was “playing the cello” in the middle of the living room floor when this discovery was made.
Hugh @ 175
Don’t forget, “We don’t torture.” So naturally, we would only rendition prisoners to countries that, like us, “don’t torture.”
newtonusr @ 174
I really had bleeding lips from not saying…WHAT the Fu*k are you doing?
[all in caps]
Hi Tex, that’s a great cake!
newtonusr @ 174
The Blog-ads debacle…???
Thanks, CTuttle!
A very sympathetic article on Diane Benson, in her second run at the US House seat occupied by Don Young came out today in Indian Country USA.
Perfect timing for this great Blue America candidate. {{{hint – hint}}}
The Alaska Federation of Natives Annual Convention opens in Fairbanks Tuesday. Diane will have to fight for a floor speech like she did last year, because she’s an announced candidate for the House seat. But Don Young gets to address the convention on Friday, because he’s our current representative in our sole congressional seat.
So, ET, how did you find live-blogging?
Laura Doty @ 177
Both teens hate it when I sing. (Unless I am singing them a lullaby when one is having trouble getting to sleep.)
TexBetsy @ 186
My daughter HATES it when I dance in the car. (But her friends think I’m fun). Oh how I remember the days of my mother embarrassing ME!
“Because nothing says, “level eleventy-kajillion black-belt debunker of liberal media tricks” like a stringy gray ponytail and a face like a peeled potato. And D-cup man-boobs. And a seemingly endless supply of eye-punishing Hawaiian shirts.”
************
OMG! TRex has such a way with words. You are missing your calling. But I am glad you are here!
Keep it up!
CTuttle @ 183
irrc, the contentious comment had to do with Plame/Wilson disrespecting the dfhs. irrc, it was a very rude, unfair and misguided comment.
Ok, Oakland Hills Fire story. I was working detectives – crimes against persons, missing persons unit – and it was a day off. was sitting home watching the coverage live on the tv when the phone rang.
i was married to hubby #2 at the time, the fundy. he was a motor cop for the same police department and he was also on days off. he was ordered to pack his motorcycle with enough personal supplies for 3 days (water in the saddle bags instead of ticket books) and head to oakland.
they wanted him and his motor because the motor is better equipped for maneuvering where cars can’t in an urban setting- on sidewalks, etc.
more to come…
ooh. Serial format. I love serials…
CTuttle @ 183
Yeah, what *was* that all about? I thought he was a troll until it was apparent many of you knew him.
(He was basically accusing Plame and her publishers of throwing the blogosphere under the bus & using them for their own purposes.)
TexBetsy @ 173
Thanks TexB!
wigwam @ 179
Agreed. It is refreshing to see a politician who is not calculating. His positions aside, he seems to be the only one who is authentic, which I think makes him so attractive. I just wish there was someone on the Progressive side that has that same appeal. (Hello, Al Gore. Can you hear me?)
TRex, I didn’t catch it if you mentioned that the ‘thugs have made the poll come out with 35,710 yes votes for Pete Wilson to apologize and 10,721 no votes.
Valley Girl @ 190
Whoa! What went down?
now, for those of ya who are not familiar, oakland/berkeley hills are at the far northern end of alameda county and i was living in a town at the far southern end of alameda county and had worked traffic control at fires, including grass fires on the hills that threatened structures
Gotta go to bed now, 5 am comes awfully early. I shall catch up on Suzanne’s story over coffee tomorrow morning. Goodnight all!
Laura Doty @ 186
It isn’t live like some trials. I’m hoping to be able to take my laptop in by Wednesday, so I don’t have to write everything twice – and lose that time. But, it was the first time I took 8 pages of legal pad notes in six hours in a long while.
I’ll say this to help – Until the trial is over, my url link under my nom de blog is set for the trial blog.
The last time I was in that court room was in 1984, when I testified as an expert witness there in a civil suit.
Ed*ard Teller @ 184
Wow, Her son lost his legs in Iraq…! What a dynamo…!!! 8-)
yes……..go on.
madmommy @ 199
Kiss those precious little boys for us. And sleep well.
tex, that is the cutest cake evah!
For all those who want to know what went down (and not), the Valerie thread is must-read.
Suzanne @ 204
didn’t you say that last week?
wigwam @ 196
ww- best I can do at this point in the eve is to say “go back and read the thread”. However, the comment/s being discussed here were really a minor part of the thread, in terms of numbers and attitude. If I have the goods to find the particular comment, I will link, but don’t hold your breath! :)
i piled up all the kids, my one, our one, and his two, into the white buick station wagon (with wood paneling) and drove up to college up on the hill to try to see what i could see
there were all kinda crazy folks up there… which brings me to my story
IMHO it was a gang hit….
Mike Stark started it [cant remember what]
THEN
was Jeffery Feldman with bla bla you dis’ blogs with no advance books and blog ads
THEN
Matt Stoller chimed in…. and who was the last one?
Hayden says that advanced interrogation techniques lie between the Army Field Manual to the limits of US law. Hope that clears things up for everyone. He now is downplaying the Army Field Manual. It’s just for 22 year olds doing quickie interrogations on the the battlefield. Yeah, right. That’s why it’s for the whole service and everyone in it. Then he uses the Bradbury OLC opinion “shocks the conscience” standard (without directly naming it). I don’t think much shocks this guy’s conscience. In fact, I’m not sure that he has a conscience.
tex, sorry, i forgot the caveat – cutest cake evah (except for my birthday cakes)
ET- excellent live blogging. As a trial lawyer for over 30 years, I say you get points for just staying awake during jury selection.
Down here they don’t use juries in civil cases so I don’t get to do much jury work, but jury selection in criminal cases is over pretty fast. No questions are asked and the lawyer can only bump a juror between the time his or her name is called and when his or her hand touches the Bible to be sworn. Jurors hoping to be bumped take a long time to make that walk.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 97
‘They’ll be hoof-tapping under the cheeto-stained desks to-nite’
;>)
Hayden says that some say torture doesn’t work. He disagrees. Torture does work. Errr, but I thought we didn’t torture.
Hugh @ 214
But it works on 24!
katymine @ 182
kristine @ 195
I cried when I heard all three of the Dem front runners decline to promise to get the troops out of Iraq by January 2013. Shit, they could have lied. They could have broken their promise. The problem is that they are owned by interests that would have gone through the roof if they had made such a promise.
And, I want to know who those interests are!
Ann in AZ @ 195
And thusly were for the forces of Islamofascism heroically vanquished for another day.
Hayden says that a “quarter billion” American would be comfortable with what he is doing but he can’t tell them. How convenient. How “Trust us”.
petedownunder @ 212
Thanks, pete! Can I cash that in for 30 caffeine points tomorrow?
ET–for some reason I imagine taking notes and then uploading them into ‘puter to be far more nerve-wracking…don’t know why, maybe the over-think danger. Hope you can laptop Wednesday.
What’s in the bag, big T?
Christine Edmonson @ 216
It was mean, they all 4 know each other from the blogs AND Yearlykos plus other events. Seemed very orchestrated and planned hit job but that is just MY opinion
we could not see much other than smoke so we started to head home
crazy drivers all over the place – and we were a good 30 miles from the fire – everyone was acting as if the hills around us were getting ready to firestorm. finally get the kids home, turn back on the tv and find out about the cops, firefighters and civilians being over-run with fire and there were fatalities.
this was back before cell phones
i had no way of knowing if the fundy was ok
demi @ 221
Just some grease stains and a wadded napkin, now.
*Urp!*
darkblack @ 213
BWAHA(claps hand over mouth & snorts in an unladylike manner)
yanno, i may live in the big city now, but i still have my connections.
Someone i will call by the code name Billy said in a gruff voice that we don’t know the truth about trolls. They are baaaaaad boys. The female trolls are merely bat-shit nuts.
TRex @ 225
Try the cake I gave madmommy and her son.
Hugh @ 209
Those 22 yro’s don’t interrogate, they’ll do SSSS, seize, search, silence, and, segregate, then, turn over the combatants to higher… End of discussion for the 22 yro’s, beyond that is where it breaks down…!!!
katymine @ 223
I mean, we’ve been waiting for Valerie to tell her story for over four years. Sheesh.
i finally called our dispatch center who called the command post and was able to let me know, about 6 hours later, if the fundy was ok (he was)
when he came home 2 days later, all covered with soot and ash, he tells me how the folks reacted in the emergency evacuations
there were those he described as lucy ricardo.. totally panic stricken, could not think to save themselves (literally) – was almost run over by several who were trying to escape the flames
Laura Doty @ 221
Well, they’re two distinct sets of records. I’m learning fast. You take notes on a note pad. You distill them into a blog entry on a computer. I suppose later, somebody says or does something. If I can still read my earlier pad note, maybe I can figure out the context.
Sometimes I write my music out longhand on manuscript, use it for ideas or modification when I re-enter it in a computer notational program. So, I’m used to parts of this double entry process.
CRAP, he uses a Mac…. pardon me while I cut my wrists.
Thanks for the story, Suzanne.
And, now before I climb into the tub with Alice, (shaking one from the bottle) Trex, here’s a tums for later, just in case.
katymine @ 223
seemed that way to me as well, and having working in publishing industry for 3 yrs (albeit in art/production) i know that it is NOT something most authors have much if any control over. Authors are supposed to hand over the manuscript, make needed corrections, and STFU about everything else. Those boys don’t know much about how publishing companies work. They should have discussed this type of thing in private (ie via emails, phone calls, etc)
Valerie handled it in a very gracious manner, and the rest of the FirePups did us proud.
CTuttle @ 228
Good point. Hayden just is making a lot of this stuff up and banking on the fact that Rose isn’t going to catch him on it.
katymine @ 129
Any regulation of corporations…
Ed*ard Teller @ 230
ET- are you allowed to take a tape recorder into courtroom? Question of mine comes not from being able to record the testimony, but as a way for you to record your own thoughts and comments.
others, the stubborn ones, thought they could make the fire avoid their homes by sheer force of their will – the by-god-its-not-going-to bunch.
he said he thought the lucy’s would be the really dangerous ones but the by-gods were the ones who were dangerous.
I had friends in the Berkeley Hills during that fire, and they were really sweating it. I went up not long after, and it was awful.
I have a good one about the ‘94 earthquare here in LA. I was in Santa Monica, which sustained a lot of damage. Everybody’s chimney had fallen over, mostly onto their cars in their driveways. I was heading out of town thru Malibu the following week, where, the month before they’d had that terrible fire, and all that was left standing there were…chimneys! It was really funny.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 233
And Joe let Jayt know that he was watching…!!! Bwhahaha…!!!
Hugh @ 210
Not to mention they’ve spent the past six years doing their best to numb everyone’s consciences.
“…a stringy gray ponytail and a face like a peeled potato. And D-cup man-boobs. And a seemingly endless supply of eye-punishing Hawaiian shirts.”
Wait a second…that’s me!
You lookist!
Hi Redshift….. How are you and Mrs Redshift?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 234
ndfg — thanks! What a day!
I would like to think that I would be one of those people who, in an emergency evacuation, would calmly but swiftly pop the cats into their carriers, grab the laptop and essential papers and a couple of changes of clothes and hit the road ahead of the rush.
My experience has been that I think and react quickly in an emergency, then fall apart the next day when it’s safe. I inherited this trait from my amazing mother, who I have seen face down situations that would make strong men weep with terror without batting an eye.
ET, great job blogging. Your activism is inspiring.
Suze, thanks for story!
TRex, I was taught by my mom to panic afterwards. that lesson has saved more than my cookies many times… the ability to think clearly in an emergency and panic afterwards
Lancelot Link @ 242
Sigh.
Makeover time.
TRex @ 245
Just IMing with a San Diego friend. She said she and hubby have overnight bags and their wedding album already in the trunk of the car. Ready to push off at a moment’s notice. Town next to theirs has already evacuated.
Hayden also uses the argument that the legal landscape keeps changing so what they did then was under a different set of rules then what they do now. Hayden criticizes leakers who give out classified information. Hayden is talking about the SWIFT program. This would be a perfect time for Rose to ask about Valerie Plame. Naturally, he doesn’t. Hayden maintains that the surveillance of the SWIFT program (international money transfers) did not raise any civil liberties issues. This guy really needs to write the 4th Amendment (limits on searches and seizure) on the blackboard 100 times. Maybe it would sink in but I doubt it.
Ed*ard Teller @ 231
I take 10-15 pp of (obsessively, near-verbatim) notes per hour on the forensic evals I do…and then put things into a narrative report…somehow what you’re doing sounds harder to me–you have to analyse something you’re not in control of (as I am, in an interview)…anyway, hat’s off to you.
I will pray for them. Send them our best.
i knew what fundy was talking about with regard to the lucys and the by-gods. we had had a grass fire in the hills of our fair town and i had been knocked down by a car driven by a woman who insisted that she had to drive into the fire zone because her kids and husband were home. never mind that we had evacuated the area. never mind that one nevah, evah, evah wants to drive over a fire hose – the firefighters get real upset when ya do that.
TexB, where are your friends, exactly?
itwasntme @ 238
I trust you don’t mean “it was really funny”. Funny = weird, perhaps? At the house of my mother, ~3 mi. from the NR epicenter, the chimney collapsed into the den, and made it impossible to get in. Thus, that den phone was off the hook, and shut off her phone service.
I could not contact her for days and days. I finally, in desperation, phoned (from 3000 miles away) the Northridge Police Department. They went to her house, busted open the den door, and put the phone back on the hook.
Thank you, Northridge PD, and PDs everywhere for the awesome work you do during disasters. Added hugs to {{{Suz}}}
katymine @ 243
We’re doing okay, thanks. We actually have a friend visiting, so in order not to be impolite I can’t be too active in the conversation here.
Suzanne some people are IDIOTS.
Christine Edmonson @ 244
So, I want to go over and look at this stuff. What specific names should I search for?
With respect to the CA fires, this map gives a good overview. (The info for each is about a day old, though.)
vg, i took it as funny, strange juxtiposition of chimneys down and only chimneys. I really don’t think it was typed to try to push your buttons.
itwasntme @ 254
no clue. she is a friend from one of the chat rooms and we have not met in person.
Yes, funny was the wrong word to use in this context, but you had to laugh at how Mom Nature hands out the smacks, otherwise you’d cry.
Suzanne @ 247
me too, my college pals called it my “farmer pragmatism.” Or, as someone said, “common sense isn’t all that common.” (too lazy to research quote)
Lancelot Link @ 242
You can rectify the last part with some classy togs here…
http://www.steeldog.com/hilohatties.htm
wigwam @ 258
Look for the word “hippies” that shold land you in it with the links forward/back
it was very isolated — the ‘pups all stayed out of it, and Plame made very diplomatic replies to the most “substantive” parts of it.
Very odd.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 246
Thanks, Valley Girl.
ndfg – All electronic stuff is checked at the security entrance. Nobody can hook up to a wall to xmit data or use wireless from the courtroom, and there is no available outside monitoring point. The Anchorage Daily News got a court order to let their reporter bring a laptop in for the Pete Kott trial, and that has been extended to this one. Supposedly, last trial somebody made his own ID and brought in a laptop. The security people are three cuts above TSA and copacetic. I’m sure I’ll be accredited soon.
itwasntme @ 239
My friend has a lesson-learned from the ‘94 earthquake: Always wear underwear to bed if you live in a second-floor apartment, just in case you have to climb down a fireman’s ladder and there are TV cameras below.
Suzanne, I always tell the kids that there’s always time to panic later and we should work on a plan first.
Mommybrain @ 267
oh dear!
Charlie Rose over. New thread upstairs. Good night all.
night Hugh
Suzanne @ 260
Suz- you are correct. I didn’t think it was typed to push my buttons either. The “language” issue was minor.
But, the comment did give me a chance to mention the great work of the Northridge PD, and PDs everywhere in the face of disasters.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 234
At comment #306 on the book salon post, Jane had this to say on the subject:
Redshift @ 236
Those guys seem a bit ambivalent on that. They praise the free market, but seem to have this incredulous faith that it can be achieved without government intervention — the “unseen hand” and all.
peanutbutter @ 265
Whoa!!!
Hmmmmmm! Did Jane join Matt in diss’ing the Wilsons? Obviously, I’m missing something here!?!
peanutbutter @ 265
Whoa!!!
Hmmmmmm! Did Jane join Matt in diss’ing the Wilsons? Obviously, I’m missing something here!?! wigwam @ 275
There’s a missing quote from Matt Stoller:
demi @ 25
I wonder if he realizes that a good number of these areas are in the generally more conservative areas of Orange, Riverside and San Diego Counties. They likely have a disproportionate amount of Republicans, and lots of military people who are currently deployed or have served in Iraq.
America haters? “Fake Americans”? I don’t believe in censorship…but stations and networks CONTROL their programming and who is allowed to represent them. For years they have been putting these REAL HATERS on the air…and it’s time that THEY took responsibility for what their “entertainers” say!
peanutbutter @ 74
And don’t forget Issa, Lewis, Hunter and Bilbray…but I bet that a lot of these guys districts are suddenly facing a little bit of what the people of New Orleans confronted. Tens of thousands of their constituents will be dependent on government aid, both in fighting the fires, but also in dealing with their aftermath.
And many of the same recriminations about things like the National Guard and lack of local resources will be raised in these Congressional Districts. ASFIK Bush hasn’t said a word about the fires…and Issa cronies appear to suggest that Darrell is more involved in his plots to turn California into a Giuliani State.
The timing couldn’t have been better if one wanted to conceal an item….http://www.sacbee.com/102/story/447954.html
wigwam @ 136
Mommybrain @ 153
LOL!!! That would be something that should have been on Art Linkletter’s “Kids Say the Darndest Things” but would never have gotten through the censors!
Hugh @ 166
He knows that he has to pull that line up…since the film “Rendition” is gonna hit hard!
I wonder if he is referring to all those Iraqi soldiers “renditioned” in 1991 after capture in Kuwait back to Iraq?????
That’s hardly the same as what the US is doing NOW!
Hugh @ 214
Well like the concept of “torture”…it all depends on what “works” means.
If it means getting a person to confess to things that they may never have done, expose as collaborators innocent people, getting a subject to agree with just about anything an interrogator wants… sure, it “works”.
Plus since these “interrogation” can be treated as issues of National Security…only fragments of them are likely to be revealed in court…thus any denials or obviously deranged statements made while in great pain can be deleted from the transcript.
Has anyone ever considered that the real rationale for watering down the definition of “torture” is to allow the use of these coerced confessions as evidence in courts. Once that wall is down for “illegal combatants” there is no wall that would prevent its expansion to the general population. It’s simply “hard interrogation”…not torture. Anyone could be subjected to it.
Valley Girl @ 237
I don’t think a judge would like someone mumbling in the courtroom. It would very distracting to the court proceedings.
GSD @ 85
Theory in practice is theoretical.
Anti-competition semi-monopolies abound. Price fixing does too.
Adam Smith never met the great corporate wheeler-dealers who came after him. They boggle the mind.
Lancelot Link @ 242
Yeah, I was more than a bit disappointed to read that bit. Apparently we’re judging folks by their looks now?
If that’s the case I guess I don’t need to be hanging out around here any longer. Wouldn’t want to offend anyone.
Reich Winger’s NightMare,
Hope you decide to stay around. I was disappointed by this as well. We have to judge people by their politics and actions, not their physical appearance.
Dang it. I own and like that shirt….