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	<title>Comments on: Scarecrow v. Jane v. Digby:  A Debate on Pete Stark &amp; Nancy Pelosi</title>
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		<title>By: Peoples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peoples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;… Way to go ” BACKBONE ” pelosi …. show the American people how tough and resolute you can be in cannibalizing one of you own supporters.&lt;br /&gt;
God forbid you should remain resolute and steadfast against the EMIRE’S DECIDER.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe the next time a democrat farts in the house and offends a repug, you can bring up a bill condemning ” FARTOCIDE ” against the poor little helpless rove/republicans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One thing you DUMBERCRATS should learn from the republicans in the house, they coalesced behind one cause, one talking point and one leader regardless of what you the democrats or the public polls thinks. They never eat their own, even if that includes ” phony soldier ” rush limpbaugh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You madame speaker and the COWARDLY LION harry reid maybe, just maybe, have cut a deal with this EMPIRE to go against the democratic causes in exchange for them not revealing what they have on your land profiteering deals and other unethical shenanigans. This is the only sane explanation one can come up with as to why you and harry reid are making decisions that are contrary and detrimental to the democratic party. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So keep up the hardline stance against your own, but please, I beg you, DO NOT show any BACKBONE or STEADFASTNESS in the upcoming Iraqi war spending bill and the FIRM WITHDRAWAL DATE you promised 75% of the American People before they hand you the speakership in 06.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>… Way to go ” BACKBONE ” pelosi …. show the American people how tough and resolute you can be in cannibalizing one of you own supporters.<br />
God forbid you should remain resolute and steadfast against the EMIRE’S DECIDER.</p>
<p>Maybe the next time a democrat farts in the house and offends a repug, you can bring up a bill condemning ” FARTOCIDE ” against the poor little helpless rove/republicans.</p>
<p>One thing you DUMBERCRATS should learn from the republicans in the house, they coalesced behind one cause, one talking point and one leader regardless of what you the democrats or the public polls thinks. They never eat their own, even if that includes ” phony soldier ” rush limpbaugh.</p>
<p>You madame speaker and the COWARDLY LION harry reid maybe, just maybe, have cut a deal with this EMPIRE to go against the democratic causes in exchange for them not revealing what they have on your land profiteering deals and other unethical shenanigans. This is the only sane explanation one can come up with as to why you and harry reid are making decisions that are contrary and detrimental to the democratic party. </p>
<p>So keep up the hardline stance against your own, but please, I beg you, DO NOT show any BACKBONE or STEADFASTNESS in the upcoming Iraqi war spending bill and the FIRM WITHDRAWAL DATE you promised 75% of the American People before they hand you the speakership in 06.</p>
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		<title>By: That American Chap</title>
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		<dc:creator>That American Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The proper way to deal with the Right-wing Noise Machine is to ovwrwhelm it.  They like to focus on one “outrage” a week or so and if they were forced to react to a dozen Dems making “outrageous” comments EVERY DAY, they’d keel over from exhaustion in a week or so (they get winded easily from that Cheeto and doughnut diet of theirs).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So start slammin’ ‘em guys.  We need an entire crowd of Starks lined up at the podium for their turn of speaking truth to power.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proper way to deal with the Right-wing Noise Machine is to ovwrwhelm it.  They like to focus on one “outrage” a week or so and if they were forced to react to a dozen Dems making “outrageous” comments EVERY DAY, they’d keel over from exhaustion in a week or so (they get winded easily from that Cheeto and doughnut diet of theirs).</p>
<p>So start slammin’ ‘em guys.  We need an entire crowd of Starks lined up at the podium for their turn of speaking truth to power.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Mod’s, where’d my criticism of Scarecrow’s stance on Jane’s Thread go? Came in before I posted my reply to OK Kiddo at 12:55 . . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; It was a decent and RIGHTOUS post . . . grrrr . . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mod’s, where’d my criticism of Scarecrow’s stance on Jane’s Thread go? Came in before I posted my reply to OK Kiddo at 12:55 . . </p>
<p> It was a decent and RIGHTOUS post . . . grrrr . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Smgumby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smgumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I did not tell the speaker that my “Pelosi 2007″&lt;br /&gt;
sticker went into the trash weeks ago.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not tell the speaker that my “Pelosi 2007″<br />
sticker went into the trash weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Smgumby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smgumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is the letter I sent to Stark and Pelosi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kudos to you sir.  Last November I voted a straight Dem ticket for the first time in my life.  The Democratic leadership has been consistantly making me wonder if I made the right decision.  You have reassured me.  Please to not back down on this issue.  I actually wish you would make a follow up statement on the House floor, you could amend your previous statement only slightly. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; “But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president’s amusement.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Change the word “amusement” to “the presidents vanity project” or to “to avoid have to admit his catastrophic failure in Iraq.”  In my opinion, the word “amusement” is the only even remotely controversial portion of your statement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those of us who remember the President’s display of jokingly looking around his office for the WMD’s for the amusement of the press corps feel that even the word “amusement” in your statement is not far off the mark.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for saying what needed to be said.  I will send a copy of this to your leadership and my own congressman.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the letter I sent to Stark and Pelosi.</p>
<p>Kudos to you sir.  Last November I voted a straight Dem ticket for the first time in my life.  The Democratic leadership has been consistantly making me wonder if I made the right decision.  You have reassured me.  Please to not back down on this issue.  I actually wish you would make a follow up statement on the House floor, you could amend your previous statement only slightly. </p>
<p> “But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president’s amusement.” </p>
<p>Change the word “amusement” to “the presidents vanity project” or to “to avoid have to admit his catastrophic failure in Iraq.”  In my opinion, the word “amusement” is the only even remotely controversial portion of your statement.</p>
<p>Those of us who remember the President’s display of jokingly looking around his office for the WMD’s for the amusement of the press corps feel that even the word “amusement” in your statement is not far off the mark.</p>
<p>Thank you for saying what needed to be said.  I will send a copy of this to your leadership and my own congressman.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1046058&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 26&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where do I come down on the Stark/Pelosi flap? That’s easy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘Kin Starkly revealing, I sure would believe!!! *G*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1046058"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 26</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Where do I come down on the Stark/Pelosi flap? That’s easy.</p>
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<p>‘Kin Starkly revealing, I sure would believe!!! *G*</p>
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		<title>By: driveby</title>
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		<dc:creator>driveby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I half read the exchange, and, well - democracy is untidy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the one hand we all want to whip the Bush-dogs/Blue-dogs into shape, yet on the other we like Feingold, Murtha, Dodd, to back our dearest progressive sentiments, - we applaud. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem with American Style democracy is that the bar is a pube’s width removed from rock bottom, - the lesser of two evils, will always leave the people buggered.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, I go by a gut check, - otherwise I wind up triangulating from the sidelines - a crapshoot at best. Emanuel, Steney, Pelosi, Reid, Hillary - screw them! There is a cancer on the ‘democrat’ party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Progressive Blog-roll should perhaps consider polling and driving a “independent” platform, because their dream-scape is nothing like the Democratic Party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The People checked their ‘Gut’ and Village Democrats look like Republican nuts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My top of the list issue:  Instant Runof Voting as a flip to the Triangulators.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I half read the exchange, and, well &#8211; democracy is untidy. </p>
<p>On the one hand we all want to whip the Bush-dogs/Blue-dogs into shape, yet on the other we like Feingold, Murtha, Dodd, to back our dearest progressive sentiments, &#8211; we applaud. </p>
<p>The problem with American Style democracy is that the bar is a pube’s width removed from rock bottom, &#8211; the lesser of two evils, will always leave the people buggered.</p>
<p>Personally, I go by a gut check, &#8211; otherwise I wind up triangulating from the sidelines &#8211; a crapshoot at best. Emanuel, Steney, Pelosi, Reid, Hillary &#8211; screw them! There is a cancer on the ‘democrat’ party.</p>
<p>The Progressive Blog-roll should perhaps consider polling and driving a “independent” platform, because their dream-scape is nothing like the Democratic Party.</p>
<p>The People checked their ‘Gut’ and Village Democrats look like Republican nuts.</p>
<p>My top of the list issue:  Instant Runof Voting as a flip to the Triangulators.</p>
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		<title>By: radlib1</title>
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		<dc:creator>radlib1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nancy Pelosi is well-meaning, but she is is a total fuck-up being a Democratic leader (as is Harry “the balless wonder” Reid.) These people should be supporting courageous and intelligent Democrats like Pete Stark and Chris Dodd. Instead, they are rolling over like the yellow-bellied, cowardly politicians that they are. Give me a fucking break. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are gutless pukes who deserve our condemnation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy Pelosi is well-meaning, but she is is a total fuck-up being a Democratic leader (as is Harry “the balless wonder” Reid.) These people should be supporting courageous and intelligent Democrats like Pete Stark and Chris Dodd. Instead, they are rolling over like the yellow-bellied, cowardly politicians that they are. Give me a fucking break. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are gutless pukes who deserve our condemnation.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hope Nancy continues to get some “help” from members like Stark. It doesn’t all have to be rhetorical. Just help of any kind to keep the Progressive Democratic voice spoken on the floor and heard in strategy meetings and so on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we don’t continue to speak up, then how will the public ever hear the Truth?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Nancy continues to get some “help” from members like Stark. It doesn’t all have to be rhetorical. Just help of any kind to keep the Progressive Democratic voice spoken on the floor and heard in strategy meetings and so on.</p>
<p>If we don’t continue to speak up, then how will the public ever hear the Truth?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1046148&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;neurophius @ 113&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I fundamentally agree with the essence of what Stark said, but the word “amusement” grates on me. …
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The big problem with this personal jab at Bush is that every single one of his reasons for going into Iraq has been proven wrong or a lie. We don’t really know why we’re there and Bush isn’t telling.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the floor they should stick to legislation and debate rhetoric and leave the personal jabs for later.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1046148"><em>neurophius @ 113</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I fundamentally agree with the essence of what Stark said, but the word “amusement” grates on me. …
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<p>The big problem with this personal jab at Bush is that every single one of his reasons for going into Iraq has been proven wrong or a lie. We don’t really know why we’re there and Bush isn’t telling.</p>
<p>On the floor they should stick to legislation and debate rhetoric and leave the personal jabs for later.</p>
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