hey Eli! Happy Friday!

yo

Eli!!!

Hi guys!

Public financing of elections.

Ok, I get who is Betty and Veronica, but who the heck is Jughead?

Moyers doing a piece on Erik Prince of Blackwater.

Mad Dogs @ 6

Ok, I get who is Betty and Veronica, but who the heck is Jughead?

I think *we’re* Jughead. Or Dilton.

Eli, if John Hughes were to direct this hypothetical teen movie, would things turn out any better than where they appear to be headed now?

Admittedly, Republicans are more Reggie than Moose in the Archieverse.

The defense industry now loves Killary. Oops. I mean Hillary.

LoudounLib @ 9

Eli, if John Hughes were to direct this hypothetical teen movie, would things turn out any better than where they appear to be headed now?

I think so, except that we’d also discover that the Mean Jock is mean because Mommy didn’t hug him enough, and deep down he’s really a sweet guy.

BTW, the telecom contributions to Rockefeller are, like, Exhibit A of why corporations giving to Democrats is not really a good thing.

Hi Eli. Ten years later, the popular kids are already starting to get divorced, and the nerds are looking around for their matches. Everyone wants to be working with them at Google.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 11

The defense industry now loves Killary. Oops. I mean Hillary.

C’mon OKK, I know you just adore her…!!! :P

One in the jukebox for Mayor Reid.

Loo Hoo. @ 14

Hi Eli. Ten years later, the popular kids are already starting to get divorced, and the nerds are looking around for their matches. Everyone wants to be working with them at Google.

Maybe we just have cleaner consciences.

I just despise a nerd who always apologizes for doing correct nerdy things.

Or 3) The jocks throw a hissy fit and say really mean things about the nerds and the nerds run and cower in a corner.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 11

The defense industry now loves Killary. Oops. I mean Hillary.

Watch it! Or she’ll give you the carrot and stick!

Hugh @ 7

Moyers doing a piece on Erik Prince of Blackwater.

Is it on the web?

Hey, what about the dropout punks that became soldiers and then hippies?

Eli @ 13

BTW, the telecom contributions to Rockefeller are, like, Exhibit A of why corporations giving to Democrats is not really a good thing.

Hook, line and sinker!

raven @ 22

Hey, what about the dropout punks that became soldiers and then hippies?

Hippies are hippies. Once you start opposing war, you’re no longer a soldier.

Hey, I don’t make the rules…

raven @ 22

Hey, what about the dropout punks that became soldiers and then hippies?

Ah, the rebel with a cause scenario!

Eli, this is why I keep telling people to back the fine folks at http://www.publicampaign.org. They’re working to reduce the amount of and influence of money in US elections. They’ve had quite a bit of success at the local and even state levels of government.

Loo Hoo. @ 21

Hugh @ 7

Moyers doing a piece on Erik Prince of Blackwater.

Is it on the web?

Not sure maybe here:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

Eli @ 13

BTW, the telecom contributions to Rockefeller are, like, Exhibit A of why corporations giving to Democrats is not really a good thing.

Uh.. did you mean Democrats accepting corporate giving? Oh, am I missing the point?

Phoenix Woman @ 26

Eli, this is why I keep telling people to back the fine folks at http://www.publicampaign.org. They’re working to reduce the amount of and influence of money in US elections. They’ve had quite a bit of success at the local and even state levels of government.

Public campaign financing would make a *huge* difference. I just have a hard time imagining how a majority of incumbents would ever vote for it.

Yo Eli!

Yo Elliott!

Valley Girl @ 28

Eli @ 13

BTW, the telecom contributions to Rockefeller are, like, Exhibit A of why corporations giving to Democrats is not really a good thing.

Uh.. did you mean Democrats accepting corporate giving? Oh, am I missing the point?

I suppose there are some Democrats who don’t accept corporate money, or who don’t let it influence them. But I’m fairly sure they’re a small minority. One that does not include Jay Rockefeller.

Eli @ 8

Mad Dogs @ 6

Ok, I get who is Betty and Veronica, but who the heck is Jughead?

I think *we’re* Jughead. Or Dilton.

John Cusak was the perfect Jughead, what a wasted casting opportunity

Eli @ 24

raven @ 22

Hey, what about the dropout punks that became soldiers and then hippies?

Hippies are hippies. Once you start opposing war, you’re no longer a soldier.

Hey, I don’t make the rules…

Hmmm… My cropped hair and twenty years service makes me a hippy? Well, then, hip-hip hooray for hippies. *g*

The progressive bloggosphere has been saying this for months…that all the money shifting to Dems is just the Corporation’s realization that since the Dems will be in charge of 2 branches of the Govt, they are the Party to support (BRIBE), in the coming years…

Simple facts never break through to CableLand, just the lies and diversions…..

posted this downstairs a little late, kind of important too

a frightening cog in the wheel of blackwater;

Blackwater confiscated Iraqi planes. Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) has revealed that “Blackwater USA tried to take at least two Iraqi military aircraft out of Iraq two years ago and refused to give the planes back when Iraqi officials sought to reclaim them.” Waxman today wrote to Blackwater CEO Erik Prince and requested that he “provide all documents related to the attempted shipment and to explain where the aircraft are now.”

they are confiscating government ordinance, not only weaponwry but advanced aircraft that only government’s are in possesion

this is a rogue militia and they are amassing more hardware then most countries

I am telling you, this dismantling of united states armed forces, this expenditure of our hardware, of our man power, of our will to re populate

this is absolutely deliberate…we are being dismantled and with our own resources we are deliberateky arming armies against us

and we are standing and watching because it is so indredible, so unbelievable that nobody really thinks it’s happening

a case of we cannot see the forrest because of these damn trees

perris @ 51

another tree that prevents us from seeing the forest

now, those are advanced and powerfull military air craft jet fighters intended for the defense of a country…we happen to know about them, what about the weaponry and ordinance we DON’T know about

remember that “cache” of ordinance that was left “undguarded” and we all assumed the Iraqi’s were the one’s that raided it?

I do believe that would be blackwater that raided it.

this is another epiphane I just had as I was responding to your post

blackwater are the recipients of that weaponry that we left undguarded, it seems perfectly clear once told and now I am telling it

wagonjak @ 35

The progressive bloggosphere has been saying this for months…that all the money shifting to Dems is just the Corporation’s realization that since the Dems will be in charge of 2 branches of the Govt, they are the Party to support (BRIBE), in the coming years…

Simple facts never break through to CableLand, just the lies and diversions…..

And the Democrats are saying, “This is awesome! Gimme more, daddy!”

What the Nerds in this tale forget is that while the real serious hard core nerds want their friend to do well they may eventually get fed up and find a new friend. And without us hard core nerds helping him with math, well, he’ll just never get into that engineering school he really wants. 3′rd party anyone?

Eli @ 24

raven @ 22

Hey, what about the dropout punks that became soldiers and then hippies?

Hippies are hippies. Once you start opposing war, you’re no longer a soldier.

Hey, I don’t make the rules…

There were lot’s of hippies in the big green machine!

raven @ 22

Hey, what about the dropout punks that became soldiers and then hippies?

Have anyone in particular in mind?

Didn’t that character become the older brother/sheriff in Porky’s?

dakine01 @ 40

raven @ 22

Hey, what about the dropout punks that became soldiers and then hippies?

Have anyone in particular in mind?

Didn’t that character become the older brother/sheriff in Porky’s?

I think he became an instructional designer.

realworld @ 38

What the Nerds in this tale forget is that while the real serious hard core nerds want their friend to do well they may eventually get fed up and find a new friend. And without us hard core nerds helping him with math, well, he’ll just never get into that engineering school he really wants. 3′rd party anyone?

I’d rather see them kick the asshole out and take over. By the time a third party had enough power to get anything done, it would be too late to do it.

Thanks Hugh, it’s Wall Street stuff. Still interesting.

In my movie, a street musician discovers a box of miracles and alters the course of Civilizaton.

Glad it’s a documentary…

Phoenix Woman @ 26

Eli, this is why I keep telling people to back the fine folks at http://www.publicampaign.org. They’re working to reduce the amount of and influence of money in US elections. They’ve had quite a bit of success at the local and even state levels of government.

the only thng that can save our republic from corporations buying our law is public fanancing of elections

we have to rescind personhood for corporations, they were never intended on having personhood and they are not people, they do not get to enjoy constitutional proteciton, they are not supposed to be able to use money as “free speech” and contribute to polticians

they are not supposed to even have “free speech” as corporations they enjoy certain protections and they have to give up other protections.

personhood for corporations MUST BE RESCINDED, especailly since it was a clerc that inserted the principle and it does not exist in any decisions

this is SUPPOSED to be a govenrment for people and by people, not for corporations and by corporations

removing personhood can be a platform and if the supreme court refuses to allow it it will be very easy to get an amendment

I’d like to think that if Colin Meloy met the Popular Girl he wouldn’t let it all go to his head.

The Dems…now that’s a whole nuther story.

Someone on the last thread compared Dodd to an owl…here’s some cool images…the guy needs an image:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=

The Tweety, Stephanie exchange is up at C&L.

We the People are definately the nerds but we have an excuse. We’ve been brainwashed.

Loo Hoo. @ 48

The Tweety, Stephanie exchange is up at C&L.

saved to watch later in bed

thax for the link

Everythingseemssoneat @ 49

We the People are definately the nerds but we have an excuse. We’ve been brainwashed.

Not everyone in the school is a jock or a nerd. Most are neither.

Hi Eli!
dunno if this is an analogy or a metaphor – whichever, it’s perfect.

SunnyNobility @ 52

Hi Eli!
dunno if this is an analogy or a metaphor – whichever, it’s perfect.

I think it’s an analogy. I suck at metaphors.

Eli @ 51

Everythingseemssoneat @ 49

We the People are definately the nerds but we have an excuse. We’ve been brainwashed.

Not everyone in the school is a jock or a nerd. Most are neither.

I was both

no kidding either, I was nerd in chess club, jock, (queens champ in diving doncha know), in rock bands and in the school band as well

got along with everyone, jocks, nerds, and what we called at the time, hitters (sort of tough guys that esposed school activities entirely)

Eli @ 24

raven @ 22

Hey, what about the dropout punks that became soldiers and then hippies?

Hippies are hippies. Once you start opposing war, you’re no longer a soldier.

Hey, I don’t make the rules…

Nah-uh! Once a soldier, always a soldier. That’s something you cannot take away, anymore than you can take away their war wounds or scars. Like it or not, they are either soldiers or veterans forever after.

Now hippies, OTOH…

LS @ 47

Someone on the last thread compared Dodd to an owl…here’s some cool images…the guy needs an image:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..38;search=

That was me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt7toFy-9T4&

1 min video- snowy owl. Somehow reminds me of Dodd’s challenge to Reid. I leave it you all to figure out who is who in the video. ;)

Somehow, the video just seemed right.

Eli @ 53

SunnyNobility @ 52

Hi Eli!
dunno if this is an analogy or a metaphor – whichever, it’s perfect.

I think it’s an analogy. I suck at metaphors.

Didn’t someone mention an archetype?

Valley Girl @ 56

LS @ 47

Someone on the last thread compared Dodd to an owl…here’s some cool images…the guy needs an image:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=

That was me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt7toFy-9T4&

1 min video- snowy owl. Somehow reminds me of Dodd’s challenge to Reid. I leave it you all to figure out who is who in the video. ;)

Somehow, the video just seemed right.

Thanks Valley Girl. It was inspirational, especially when it jumps at the camera. You are on to something. IMHO

perris @ 54

Eli @ 51

Not everyone in the school is a jock or a nerd. Most are neither.

I was both

no kidding either, I was nerd in chess club, jock, (queens champ in diving doncha know), in rock bands and in the school band as well

got along with everyone, jocks, nerds, and what we called at the time, hitters (sort of tough guys that esposed school activities entirely)

I think that might make a freak, actually. I was pretty much entirely in the nerd camp, but I wasn’t completely unpopular.

Uhoh, the Abramoff investigation broadens…

” Federal prosecutors in Maryland are handling part of the Jack Abramoff lobbying case because of a possible conflict of interest at Justice Department headquarters, an official with knowledge of the case said Friday.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

The investigation involves Kevin Ring, a former aide to Rep. John Doolittle, R-Calif. Ring later went to work with Abramoff, the one-time GOP super-lobbyist who’s now in jail and cooperating in an influence-peddling probe that’s focused on Doolittle, among others.

While working with Abramoff, Ring lobbied Justice Department officials including Robert Coughlin while Coughlin worked for the department’s office of legislative affairs from 2001-2003, according to an attorney with knowledge of the case. The attorney spoke on condition of anonymity because of the pending investigation.

Ring also provided Coughlin with meals and tickets to events, the attorney said.”

The plot thickens…

http://ap.google.com/article/A…..gD8SCITM00

Wonder what the political landscape will look like three months from now?

raven @ 57

Eli @ 53

I think it’s an analogy. I suck at metaphors.

Didn’t someone mention an archetype?

Okay, an analogy made out of archetypes…

Ann in AZ @ 55

Eli @ 24

Hippies are hippies. Once you start opposing war, you’re no longer a soldier.

Hey, I don’t make the rules…

Nah-uh! Once a soldier, always a soldier. That’s something you cannot take away, anymore than you can take away their war wounds or scars. Like it or not, they are either soldiers or veterans forever after.

Now hippies, OTOH…

You can be both.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 61

Wonder what the political landscape will look like three months from now?

*puts fingers to temples, closes eyes*

I predict…

Dubya approval ratings will be lower.

The Democrats will still be afraid of him.

Hillary will still be the Democratic frontrunner.

The American people will be even more pissed off.

Loo Hoo. @ 48

The Tweety, Stephanie exchange is up at C&L.

Sweaty armpit lady! She was great!

Ann in AZ @ 55

Eli @ 24

Hippies are hippies. Once you start opposing war, you’re no longer a soldier.

Hey, I don’t make the rules…

Nah-uh! Once a soldier, always a soldier. That’s something you cannot take away, anymore than you can take away their war wounds or scars. Like it or not, they are either soldiers or veterans forever after.

Now hippies, OTOH…

I dunno. Mr. LS is a vet, but he’s a hippie too, I guess he’s a hippie/vet, no greater integrity, no more of a fierce warrier for peace. Maybe that makes sense, maybe not.

Eli- “Not everyone in the school is a jock or a nerd. Most are neither.”

Yeah but since most people are under the impression that America is a Democratic Republic, isn’t it possible that we’re nerds?

raven @ 63

Ann in AZ @ 55

Nah-uh! Once a soldier, always a soldier. That’s something you cannot take away, anymore than you can take away their war wounds or scars. Like it or not, they are either soldiers or veterans forever after.

Now hippies, OTOH…

You can be both.

Many are.

raven @ 63

Ann in AZ @ 55

Nah-uh! Once a soldier, always a soldier. That’s something you cannot take away, anymore than you can take away their war wounds or scars. Like it or not, they are either soldiers or veterans forever after.

Now hippies, OTOH…

You can be both.

I’ll drink to that… ;-)

dirty fuckin’ hippie soldiers

Valley Girl @ 56

LS @ 47

Someone on the last thread compared Dodd to an owl…here’s some cool images…the guy needs an image:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=

That was me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt7toFy-9T4&

1 min video- snowy owl. Somehow reminds me of Dodd’s challenge to Reid. I leave it you all to figure out who is who in the video. ;)

Somehow, the video just seemed right.

A Hillary Yelp?

Everythingseemssoneat @ 66

Eli- “Not everyone in the school is a jock or a nerd. Most are neither.”

Yeah but since most people are under the impression that America is a Democratic Republic, isn’t it possible that we’re nerds?

Well, *we* are. Which means we’re right more often than the jocks, but less popular, and we have a harder time getting anyone to listen to us.

CTuttle @ 69

raven @ 63

You can be both.

I’ll drink to that… ;-)

Some of us hippie vets even gave that up! Did you have heads and juicers when you were in?

Valley Girl @ 56

LS @ 47

Someone on the last thread compared Dodd to an owl…here’s some cool images…the guy needs an image:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=

That was me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt7toFy-9T4&

1 min video- snowy owl. Somehow reminds me of Dodd’s challenge to Reid. I leave it you all to figure out who is who in the video. ;)

Somehow, the video just seemed right.

love that head shift!

Eli- Well, *we* are. Which means we’re right more often than the jocks, but less popular, and we have a harder time getting anyone to listen to us.

Point taken.

Everythingseemssoneat @ 67

Eli- “Not everyone in the school is a jock or a nerd. Most are neither.”

Yeah but since most people are under the impression that America is a Democratic Republic, isn’t it possible that we’re nerds?

in fact, most people are “constitutionalists”

the “constitutionalist’ is a new party that we are putting together here at the lake, it includes people that once thought they were republcian, most that called themselves democrats, a few that called themselves independants and some that called themselves libertarians

we are “constitutionalists”

I think it’s got legs

Eli @ 64

Oklahoma kiddo @ 61

Wonder what the political landscape will look like three months from now?

*puts fingers to temples, closes eyes*

I predict…

Dubya approval ratings will be lower.

The Democrats will still be afraid of him.

Hillary will still be the Democratic frontrunner.

The American people will be even more pissed off.

Lets do another one Carnac. What will the day after the Nov. 2008 elections reveal.

perris @ 76

Everythingseemssoneat @ 67

Eli- “Not everyone in the school is a jock or a nerd. Most are neither.”

Yeah but since most people are under the impression that America is a Democratic Republic, isn’t it possible that we’re nerds?

in fact, most people are “constitutionalists”

the “constitutionalist’ is a new party that we are putting together here at the lake, it includes people that once thought they were republcian, most that called themselves democrats, a few that called themselves independants and some that called themselves libertarians

we are “constitutionalists”

I think it’s got legs

There’s pro-life, and there’s pro-choice… and there’s pro-law.

here’s my quarter

Counting Crows
Big Yellow Taxi

just for so

Oklahoma kiddo @ 77

Eli @ 64

*puts fingers to temples, closes eyes*

I predict…

Dubya approval ratings will be lower.

The Democrats will still be afraid of him.

Hillary will still be the Democratic frontrunner.

The American people will be even more pissed off.

Lets do another one Carnac. What will the day after the Nov. 2008 elections reveal.

I think a Democrat (probably Hillary) wins the White House, and the Democrats don’t do nearly as well in the congressional elections as everyone expects.

I don’t think they lose their majorities, and I think they pick up seats in the Senate, but a lot of people (not just progressives) stay home in disgust.

CTuttle @ 69

raven @ 63

You can be both.

I’ll drink to that… ;-)

Okay, I’ll say it! Old hippies never die; they just go to pot!

Eleanor Clift column in Newsweek on how no one trusts HoJo. And how he’s likely to be SOL in the next Congress while she paints Obama as the heir to the “post partisan” mantle (whatever the f*ck that is).

Ann in AZ @ 81

CTuttle @ 69

I’ll drink to that… ;-)

Okay, I’ll say it! Old hippies never die; they just go to pot!

that’s good!

Ann in AZ @ 81

CTuttle @ 69

I’ll drink to that… ;-)

Okay, I’ll say it! Old hippies never die; they just go to pot!

I thought they went to grass.

Eli @ 80

Oklahoma kiddo @ 77

Lets do another one Carnac. What will the day after the Nov. 2008 elections reveal.

I think a Democrat (probably Hillary) wins the White House, and the Democrats don’t do nearly as well in the congressional elections as everyone expects.

I don’t think they lose their majorities, and I think they pick up seats in the Senate, but a lot of people (not just progressives) stay home in disgust.

along with the jesus freaks

Ann in AZ @ 81

CTuttle @ 69

I’ll drink to that… ;-)

Okay, I’ll say it! Old hippies never die; they just go to pot!

*kaff* *kaff* …to what??? ;-)

Hugh @ 84

Ann in AZ @ 81

Okay, I’ll say it! Old hippies never die; they just go to pot!

I thought they went to grass.

to seed?

dakine01 @ 82

Eleanor Clift column in Newsweek on how no one trusts HoJo. And how he’s likely to be SOL in the next Congress while she paints Obama as the heir to the “post partisan” mantle (whatever the f*ck that is).

Is that what they’re calling High Broderism these days?

Just walked outside and saw a shooting star…there are Orionids right now, and they peak, I think, Sunday.

Eli @ 78

perris @ 76

in fact, most people are “constitutionalists”

the “constitutionalist’ is a new party that we are putting together here at the lake, it includes people that once thought they were republcian, most that called themselves democrats, a few that called themselves independants and some that called themselves libertarians

we are “constitutionalists”

I think it’s got legs

There’s pro-life, and there’s pro-choice… and there’s pro-law.

funny how most people who are “pro choice” happen to be “pro life” as well

myself, I would never encourage an abortion, I am personally against them, I am at the same time against telling anyone they must be host to an unwanted pregnancy, it’s their choice even though I am pro life

the people that call themselves “pro life” aren’t pro life at all, they are simply anti choice

simple stuff here

dakine01 @ 82

Eleanor Clift column in Newsweek on how no one trusts HoJo. And how he’s likely to be SOL in the next Congress while she paints Obama as the heir to the “post partisan” mantle (whatever the f*ck that is).

HoJO is no Son Of Liberty!

off to bed, must work tomorrow, have good fun everybody

LS @ 89

Just walked outside and saw a shooting star…there are Orionids right now, and they peak, I think, Sunday.

hope you made a wish!

LS @ 89

Just walked outside and saw a shooting star…there are Orionids right now, and they peak, I think, Sunday.

had to look up orinid, never heard it before, interesting stuff;

Orionids

The Orionids are a meteor shower that occurs throughout October into early November. At its peak around October 21-22, as many as 60 meteors per hour can be seen appearing to originate from the radiant located in the constellation Orion near its border with Gemini. Unlike some showers, Orionids can be seen several days before and after the peak night of October 21-22 (at a frequency of approximately 5-10 per hour).

The parent body of the Orionids is the famous Halley’s Comet.

Any day now, I’m expecting W to call a press conference. He’s going to apologize to all Americans for the damage he has done to our country, and admit that he has been a puppet for corporate and religious interests, and that he has now seen the light. He will beg our forgiveness and promise to end his term by repairing as much of the damage as possible.

He will pledge to begin bringing our troops home the next day in an orderly and safe manner. He will then beg the forgiveness of the Iraqi people. He will offer his own personal fortune to the Iraqis, and will promise the 12 billion per month currently spent on the war to restoration of Iraq.

He will pledge to speak honestly and openly to the Senate Judiciary Committee about exactly what Cheney, Addington, Gonzoles, Libby etc., etc., have done.

Any Day Now.

Eli @ 80

Oklahoma kiddo @ 77

Lets do another one Carnac. What will the day after the Nov. 2008 elections reveal.

I think a Democrat (probably Hillary) wins the White House, and the Democrats don’t do nearly as well in the congressional elections as everyone expects.

I don’t think they lose their majorities, and I think they pick up seats in the Senate, but a lot of people (not just progressives) stay home in disgust.

And some say I paint a dismal portrait. I’m scared you just might be right. But I’m going to fight. Good night. I have to play bridge.

The nerd thing is interesting. King of all Nerds is, in my opinion, Rove, followed by his nerd minions. W was not a nerd. So they put a cheerleader in charge of an interesting crew; W, followed by Cheney (kind of a hoodlum and an X-jock of sorts), advised by the nerds…Rove, Card…Libby (not really a nerd)…Addington/Fielding…greedy in-betweens, smart and greedy.

Anyway, the nerds worked their way up to rule while everybody else ignored them. Truly, revenge of the nerds. Now, we have nerdlear problems.

Loo Hoo. @ 95

Any day now, I’m expecting W to call a press conference. He’s going to apologize to all Americans for the damage he has done to our country, and admit that he has been a puppet for corporate and religious interests, and that he has now seen the light. He will beg our forgiveness and promise to end his term by repairing as much of the damage as possible.

He will pledge to begin bringing our troops home the next day in an orderly and safe manner. He will then beg the forgiveness of the Iraqi people. He will offer his own personal fortune to the Iraqis, and will promise the 12 billion per month currently spent on the war to restoration of Iraq.

He will pledge to speak honestly and openly to the Senate Judiciary Committee about exactly what Cheney, Addington, Gonzoles, Libby etc., etc., have done.

Any Day Now.

You’re such a dreamer *sigh*

LS @ 97

The nerd thing is interesting. King of all Nerds is, in my opinion, Rove, followed by his nerd minions. W was not a nerd. So they put a cheerleader in charge of an interesting crew; W, followed by Cheney (kind of a hoodlum and an X-jock of sorts), advised by the nerds…Rove, Card…Libby (not really a nerd)…Addington/Fielding…greedy in-betweens, smart and greedy.

Anyway, the nerds worked their way up to rule while everybody else ignored them. Truly, revenge of the nerds. Now, we have nerdlear problems.

I consider rove a fucktard not a nerd, there were just plain distateful hateful people in school and fits that bill perfectly

LS @ 97

The nerd thing is interesting. King of all Nerds is, in my opinion, Rove, followed by his nerd minions. W was not a nerd. So they put a cheerleader in charge of an interesting crew; W, followed by Cheney (kind of a hoodlum and an X-jock of sorts), advised by the nerds…Rove, Card…Libby (not really a nerd)…Addington/Fielding…greedy in-betweens, smart and greedy.

Anyway, the nerds worked their way up to rule while everybody else ignored them. Truly, revenge of the nerds. Now, we have nerdlear problems.

There aren’t that many teen movies with evil nerds. I think.

I never watched teen movies, and hollowood has a way of making everything so simple and unreal.

But clearly the problem in american is that it is not a democracy. It is a corporatocracy.

Money is what makes the world go round and dems are hardly any different from repukes when it comes to “selling out” for the almight American dollar.

That’s because money is what it’s all about, all it ever was about and all it will be about.

Democracy is only what capitalism hides behind to give it legitimacy. It’s stealing.

And when democracy is inconvenient, it is simply brushed aside. It’s all about money, wealth and power to make and control wealth.

It was like that in the middle ages, in the roman empire, the british empire and now the american empire.

Money rules.

perris @ 94

LS @ 89

Just walked outside and saw a shooting star…there are Orionids right now, and they peak, I think, Sunday.

had to look up orinid, never heard it before, interesting stuff;

Orionids

The Orionids are a meteor shower that occurs throughout October into early November. At its peak around October 21-22, as many as 60 meteors per hour can be seen appearing to originate from the radiant located in the constellation Orion near its border with Gemini. Unlike some showers, Orionids can be seen several days before and after the peak night of October 21-22 (at a frequency of approximately 5-10 per hour).

The parent body of the Orionids is the famous Halley’s Comet.

Cool!! It hurts my neck to look up too long, but it is really fantastic when there are a lot of them. I read that they were here now somewhere on my travels today, but I saw that one accidentally.

perris @ 99

LS @ 97

The nerd thing is interesting. King of all Nerds is, in my opinion, Rove, followed by his nerd minions. W was not a nerd. So they put a cheerleader in charge of an interesting crew; W, followed by Cheney (kind of a hoodlum and an X-jock of sorts), advised by the nerds…Rove, Card…Libby (not really a nerd)…Addington/Fielding…greedy in-betweens, smart and greedy.

Anyway, the nerds worked their way up to rule while everybody else ignored them. Truly, revenge of the nerds. Now, we have nerdlear problems.

I consider rove a fucktard not a nerd, there were just plain distateful hateful people in school and fits that bill perfectly

Punk ass motherfucker fits the bill too.

LS @ 102

perris @ 94

had to look up orinid, never heard it before, interesting stuff;

Orionids

The Orionids are a meteor shower that occurs throughout October into early November. At its peak around October 21-22, as many as 60 meteors per hour can be seen appearing to originate from the radiant located in the constellation Orion near its border with Gemini. Unlike some showers, Orionids can be seen several days before and after the peak night of October 21-22 (at a frequency of approximately 5-10 per hour).

The parent body of the Orionids is the famous Halley’s Comet.

Cool!! It hurts my neck to look up too long, but it is really fantastic when there are a lot of them. I read that they were here now somewhere on my travels today, but I saw that one accidentally.

Lie on your back.

Eli @ 80

I think a Democrat (probably Hillary) wins the White House, and the Democrats don’t do nearly as well in the congressional elections as everyone expects.

I don’t think they lose their majorities, and I think they pick up seats in the Senate, but a lot of people (not just progressives) stay home in disgust.

Way, way, way too early to call it even “probably” for Hillary. Can’t recall where, but read a post assembled from about a dozen Obama canvassers who agreed to pool their observations over a few days (all in different parts of the country). Out of hundreds of people they talked to, they encountered about 3 people who had committed to a candidate. It’s wide open.

Congressional GOP is extremely demoralized – Bush is yanking their chains hard to keep them in line, and they know this is costing them the next election.

raven @ 104

LS @ 102

Cool!! It hurts my neck to look up too long, but it is really fantastic when there are a lot of them. I read that they were here now somewhere on my travels today, but I saw that one accidentally.

Lie on your back.

I’m gonna go out there a little later and do just that…it is usually better later they say.

SanderO @ 101

I never watched teen movies, and hollowood has a way of making everything so simple and unreal.

But clearly the problem in american is that it is not a democracy. It is a corporatocracy.

Money is what makes the world go round and dems are hardly any different from repukes when it comes to “selling out” for the almight American dollar.

That’s because money is what it’s all about, all it ever was about and all it will be about.

Democracy is only what capitalism hides behind to give it legitimacy. It’s stealing.

And when democracy is inconvenient, it is simply brushed aside. It’s all about money, wealth and power to make and control wealth.

It was like that in the middle ages, in the roman empire, the british empire and now the american empire.

Money rules.

It seriously bothers me that money trumps everything in our system. Not just the fact that we don’t have viable public financing of elections, but the very concept that what the people want and believe is largely irrelevant.

Yes, a good candidate with less money can defeat a bad candidate with more money, but the best candidate on earth can’t win without reaching some very *high* minimum amount of money. And probably a lot more than the netroots can provide by themselves.

GordonM @ 105

Eli @ 80

I think a Democrat (probably Hillary) wins the White House, and the Democrats don’t do nearly as well in the congressional elections as everyone expects.

I don’t think they lose their majorities, and I think they pick up seats in the Senate, but a lot of people (not just progressives) stay home in disgust.

Way, way, way too early to call it even “probably” for Hillary. Can’t recall where, but read a post assembled from about a dozen Obama canvassers who agreed to pool their observations over a few days (all in different parts of the country). Out of hundreds of people they talked to, they encountered about 3 people who had committed to a candidate. It’s wide open.

Congressional GOP is extremely demoralized – Bush is yanking their chains hard to keep them in line, and they know this is costing them the next election.

I think the GOP base is more likely to support their candidates than we are.

Loo Hoo. @ 71

A Hillary Yelp?

No, I imagined that the “ouch” in the owl attack was coming from Reid!

I think a central point of Krugman’s article was that the Dems are in the same pockets as the Republicans. Corporations control both parties. His glimmer of hope is that the Dems will be more competent.

another quarter

Multiply
Jaime Lidell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSHNG4VI9Tw

Dalia Lama in the ATL this weekend.

Eli @ 108

GordonM @ 105

Way, way, way too early to call it even “probably” for Hillary. Can’t recall where, but read a post assembled from about a dozen Obama canvassers who agreed to pool their observations over a few days (all in different parts of the country). Out of hundreds of people they talked to, they encountered about 3 people who had committed to a candidate. It’s wide open.

Congressional GOP is extremely demoralized – Bush is yanking their chains hard to keep them in line, and they know this is costing them the next election.

I think the GOP base is more likely to support their candidates than we are.

Are sure about that? Why would Perkins, etal threaten to form a third party? ;-)

Why do we have to be the nerd? We’re always the nerd.

CTuttle @ 113

Eli @ 108

I think the GOP base is more likely to support their candidates than we are.

Are sure about that? Why would Perkins, etal threaten to form a third party? ;-)

The presidentials, maybe. But other than immigration, the GOP in Congress haven’t been telling their base to go fuck themselves like the Dems have been.

How often do you hear Republican politicians complain about how crazy and irrational their base is?

Blub @ 114

Why do we have to be the nerd? We’re always the nerd.

I *like* being the nerd.

“Tony Blair has been placed in the frame to become the first permanent President of the EU after France launched a campaign to install him in the powerful new Brussels job.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..air219.xml

Oh…yay…

Eli @ 116

Blub @ 114

Why do we have to be the nerd? We’re always the nerd.

I *like* being the nerd.

Nerds??? No way, way.

Eli @ 115

CTuttle @ 113

Are sure about that? Why would Perkins, etal threaten to form a third party? ;-)

The presidentials, maybe. But other than immigration, the GOP in Congress haven’t been telling their base to go fuck themselves like the Dems have been.

How often do you hear Republican politicians complain about how crazy and irrational their base is?

I think they probably say it, but like so much else, it never gets reported by the TradMed as that would spoil the meme.

Great post Eli.

James Dean/The (early silent) Fonze/young Brando/
Rebel Without A Cause character has yet to appear on the stage of our Eli’s Political High School.

nominee’s for this role?

OT: Nancy Pelosi doesn’t like the language that Stark used on the floor the other day.
Well, boohoo, Nancy.
He told the truth as he sees it. A lot straighter than “Impeachment is off the table”. “Inappropriate”, my ass. You think that we “advocates” have been annoying to you before? Just watch.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..-outburst/

see you in the morning…

lahoma

Eli @ 115

CTuttle @ 113

Are sure about that? Why would Perkins, etal threaten to form a third party? ;-)

The presidentials, maybe. But other than immigration, the GOP in Congress haven’t been telling their base to go fuck themselves like the Dems have been.

How often do you hear Republican politicians complain about how crazy and irrational their base is?

I agree that the Dems are pissing off their base! However, the Repugs don’t mention it because they already know their base is…!!! ;-)

Eli @ 115

How often do you hear Republican politicians complain about how crazy and irrational their base is?

Ha. The GOP politicians are as irrational as their base (make that bases, not currently getting along with each other all that well). Often moreso.

On the Dem side, it’s because we are a new base, and they are not our politicians.

dakine01 @ 119

Eli @ 115

The presidentials, maybe. But other than immigration, the GOP in Congress haven’t been telling their base to go fuck themselves like the Dems have been.

How often do you hear Republican politicians complain about how crazy and irrational their base is?

I think they probably say it, but like so much else, it never gets reported by the TradMed as that would spoil the meme.

I’m sure they say it All The Time in private, but they don’t say it in public.

Compare the reactions to “General Betray Us” vs. “phony soldiers”.

well, I think its high time that the rethugs take a turn at being the nerd

Oklahoma kiddo @ 122

see you in the morning…

lahoma

Nite, lahoma and OKK!!!

GordonM @105

(snip)

Congressional GOP is extremely demoralized – Bush is yanking their chains hard to keep them in line, and they know this is costing them the next election.

This appears to be true. Pray God it is. Mel Martinez’s (alleged) forthcoming resignation as head of the RNC is telling. May be dealing with those pesky e-mails wore him down — talk about holding the bag…

yellowdog jim @ 120

Great post Eli.

James Dean/The (early silent) Fonze/young Brando/
Rebel Without A Cause character has yet to appear on the stage of our Eli’s Political High School.

nominee’s for this role?

Gore? He’s kind of a nerd/rockstar hybrid at the moment.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 122

see you in the morning…

lahoma

hope you bid and made the slam

Enjoy the bridge game, OKK and Lahoma. *g*

Eli @ 129

yellowdog jim @ 120

Great post Eli.

James Dean/The (early silent) Fonze/young Brando/
Rebel Without A Cause character has yet to appear on the stage of our Eli’s Political High School.

nominee’s for this role?

Gore? He’s kind of a nerd/rockstar hybrid at the moment.

DING! DING! DING!

Blub @ 126

well, I think its high time that the rethugs take a turn at being the nerd

Or Jocks on an 0-11 team. ;-)

Is it that Ghouliani and the rest of the republicans can’t get anything right, or that they are signaling their racist roots? TPM:

The man named yesterday by the Giuliani campaign to a law enforcement outreach campaign post in Minnesota was forced to resign a government job in 2004 when proof surfaced that he’d admitted to repeatedly using the word “n*gger” in the past, Election Central has learned.

Sheriff Richard Stanek was appointed to the post of chair of Minnesota Law Enforcement for Rudy. The campaign’s press release promised that Stanek “will work with law enforcement personnel throughout the state to communicate Mayor Giuliani’s record of fighting crime and his commitment to first responders.”

[Mod Note; edited.]

Toby Wollin @ 121

OT: Nancy Pelosi doesn’t like the language that Stark used on the floor the other day.
Well, boohoo, Nancy.
He told the truth as he sees it. A lot straighter than “Impeachment is off the table”. “Inappropriate”, my ass. You think that we “advocates” have been annoying to you before? Just watch.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..-outburst/

She needs to remove the pole. She’ll feel better and come to her senses. Matronizer. I’m sick of her. I am so not impressed with this person. Stark told it like it is. He spoke truth to power and should be commended. She speaks nothing but measured flattery…to herself.

Mods, did I break a rule? If I did, it would be the first time EVAH!

Speaking if nerdiness, I just did a quick facebook survey, based on expressed number of supporters, off politicians’ official profiles:

Obama 155,316
Hillary 48,224
Paul 31,995
Edwards 21,837
Romney 19,513
Thompson (Freddy!) 17,778
Kucinich 13,145
McCain 12,076
Rudy 7,247
Richardson 6,975
Huckabee 6,613
Biden 6,375
Mike Gravel (?) 6,299
Brownback 3,031
Dodd 1,852
Tancredo 1,019 (hahahaha)

Rudy’s not doing that well among the nerdy young Facebook set…. and they definitely like Obama. So do these Obama supporters become Edwards or Clinton supporters should he eventually withdraws?

Eli @ 108

Congressional GOP is extremely demoralized – Bush is yanking their chains hard to keep them in line, and they know this is costing them the next election.

eli says – I think the GOP base is more likely to support their candidates than we are.

What we’re finding out so far here in Alaska, after local elections in 2006 and 2007, is that wingnuts are losing their appeal unless they resonate on local issues that matter. No longer can they defeat a woman merely because she’s pro-choice, as was the case since 1992. But we’re also seeing the numbers of wingnuts in precinct counts going down on lection day. Down in 2006, and down further in 2007. Whether this will translate outside of Alaska in 2008, or into a national cycle, is unforseeable yet, but I think where the GOP is demoralized – Alaska is currently a case study in reasons for the GOP to be disheartened by events – they show up less for typical candidates.

And, carrying one of the points Krugman made through, Alaska is an oil and gas state.

Blub, where’s my vote for Duncan Hunter?

Loo Hoo. @ 136

Mods, did I break a rule? If I did, it would be the first time EVAH!

Refresh your browser and it’s free. There are some terms the filters just don’t like.

Loo Hoo. @ 138

Blub, where’s my vote for Duncan Hunter?

he’s not on facebook. Not nerdy enough :P

yellowdog jim @ 132

Eli @ 129

Gore? He’s kind of a nerd/rockstar hybrid at the moment.

DING! DING! DING!

LOL that is true. I was reminded today about Tipper’s sort of censure of album lyrics or something…that kind of stopped me in my tracks….

Back to Dodd. Was he a nerd too?

Sheite….are they all nerds…don’t tell me…isn’t there at least one????? Please, I can’t take it.

I refuse to vote for a nerd. I just won’t do it. No. I want the non-nerd.

Thanks, RBG.

Hey, any Arizonan firepups take a gander at this:

Goldwater Institute
October 19, 2007

SHOCKING SPEECH AND PRIVACY ASSAULT IN MARICOPA COUNTY

by Clint Bolick
If you ever have visited the website of Phoenix New Times, your Internet browsing habits may soon be in the hands of Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas. But not before one heck of a First Amendment fight.
Today’s Arizona Republic reports that sheriff’s deputies arrested New Times owners Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin, for the misdemeanor of revealing Grand Jury proceedings.
If true, thank goodness they did. For the subpoena they made public demands not only all New Times reporters’ records relating to articles written about Sheriff Joe Arpaio, but identification of the Internet addresses, pages visited, and previous websites visited for everyone who has visited the New Times website since 2004. In this instance, the rule requiring confidentiality of Grand Jury proceedings was shielding from public view an outrageous abuse of government power-for which Lacey and Larkin were willing to pay the consequences to bring to light.
New Times is a generally liberal community newspaper with a penchant for investigative journalism. The publication has long criticized Arpaio and Thomas.
The subpoena reportedly is based on New Times’ publication of Arpaio’s home address, which allegedly is a crime. Whatever crime Thomas believes New Times or its principals or reporters have committed, the subpoena is breathtakingly broad-and in the view of some First Amendment experts, unprecedented in its scope.

http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;2092608

OT: kinda cool webkit clientside Database Example.

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

LS @ 141

yellowdog jim @ 132

DING! DING! DING!

LOL that is true. I was reminded today about Tipper’s sort of censure of album lyrics or something…that kind of stopped me in my tracks….

Back to Dodd. Was he a nerd too?

Sheite….are they all nerds…don’t tell me…isn’t there at least one????? Please, I can’t take it.

I refuse to vote for a nerd. I just won’t do it. No. I want the non-nerd.

Well, so much for Kucinich.

Nerds:
Kucinich, Hillary, Richardson, Biden, maybe Dodd, maybe Obama.

Non-Nerds: Gravel, Edwards.

Dodd is currently my first choice of those who are running, and Edwards a not-that-close second.

Eli: I have a lesbian daughter, about forty, and a 360 pound daughter. Let’s not generalize : ok?

Hugh @ 27

Loo Hoo. @ 21

Is it on the web?

Not sure maybe here:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

Watched it. Excellent interview. The author’s last words were Dana Rohrbacher’s comparison of Erik Prince to Oliver North as a great American hero!!!!!

Eli @ 147

well.. there’s theoretically at least one rethug nerd.. Paul

Loo Hoo. @ 146

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

Not mailing in her dues to the Republican Party?

Eli @ 45

I agree with you that in the end, a third party is a loosing strategy. Cutting off your nose to spite you face Nader style. However, I also think it is a real possibility the way things are heading and the Dems in power need to realize this because it will end up with them out of power pdq if it develops.

yellowdog jim @ 120

Great post Eli.

James Dean/The (early silent) Fonze/young Brando/
Rebel Without A Cause character has yet to appear on the stage of our Eli’s Political High School.

nominee’s for this role?

Dean belongs in the ’50s category: hoods.
Hoods and the bleached blondes in black sweaters (heaven forfend!)were important groups in the HS dynamic.

newspaperbrat @ 151

Loo Hoo. @ 146

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

Not mailing in her dues to the Republican Party?

Dang, Ma’am, that’s cold…!!! ;-)

newspaperbrat @ 151

Loo Hoo. @ 146

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

Not mailing in her dues to the Republican Party?

are you sure about that?

Loo Hoo. @ 146

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

He never said he smoked, just that he didn’t inhale. Hillary was making the brownies:

“…I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale and never tried it again…”

at this point there’s a good chance the rethugs will produce their own third party candidate. Maybe Bauer or Dobson will throw in their hat.. who knows

Apologies for OT, but the owl video that LS posted was just great, and I wanted to download it from YouTube. Had some great links for doing this until very recently, but now none seem to work.

Does anyone out there have a VERY recent internet link that they KNOW will work for downloading YouTubes into .flv format?

(confession- I am a nerd, but maybe not top notch)

realworld @ 151

Eli @ 45

I agree with you that in the end, a third party is a loosing strategy. Cutting off your nose to spite you face Nader style. However, I also think it is a real possibility the way things are heading and the Dems in power need to realize this because it will end up with them out of power pdq if it develops.

The only potential value of a third party is as a threat. But I’m pretty sure the Democrats are willing to lose elections rather than give in to the far left.

Marilyn In Texas @ 149

Hugh @ 27

Not sure maybe here:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/index-flash.html

Watched it. Excellent interview. The author’s last words were Dana Rohrbacher’s comparison of Erik Prince to Oliver North as a great American hero!!!!!

Note: didn’t mean to suggest that this was the author’s view. His point is that Blackwater is a dangerous element and operated under both Republican and Democratic presidents (Clinton)
Rohrbacher’s comment after Prince’s testimony to Congress tips his hand not only on this glorification of Prince but also of North.

TSF posted this DFA poll earlier..

Blub @ 156

at this point there’s a good chance the rethugs will produce their own third party candidate. Maybe Bauer or Dobson will throw in their hat.. who knows

I think it’s a threat, although I’m not sure threats really work on primary voters.

Ed*ard Teller @ 156

Loo Hoo. @ 146

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

He never said he smoked, just that he didn’t inhale. Hillary was making the brownies:

“…I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale and never tried it again…”

I loved it when Willie handed Slick Willie a doobie backstage. ;-0

Ed*ard Teller @ 156

Loo Hoo. @ 146

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

He never said he smoked, just that he didn’t inhale. Hillary was making the brownies:

“…I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale and never tried it again…”

Well now, she did mention not baking cookies. Guess she outfoxed the media again!

Blub @ 157

at this point there’s a good chance the rethugs will produce their own third party candidate. Maybe Bauer or Dobson will throw in their hat.. who knows

I wish.

CTuttle @ 143

Hey, any Arizonan firepups take a gander at this:

Goldwater Institute
October 19, 2007

SHOCKING SPEECH AND PRIVACY ASSAULT IN MARICOPA COUNTY

by Clint Bolick
If you ever have visited the website of Phoenix New Times, your Internet browsing habits may soon be in the hands of Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas. But not before one heck of a First Amendment fight.
Today’s Arizona Republic reports that sheriff’s deputies arrested New Times owners Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin, for the misdemeanor of revealing Grand Jury proceedings.
If true, thank goodness they did. For the subpoena they made public demands not only all New Times reporters’ records relating to articles written about Sheriff Joe Arpaio, but identification of the Internet addresses, pages visited, and previous websites visited for everyone who has visited the New Times website since 2004. In this instance, the rule requiring confidentiality of Grand Jury proceedings was shielding from public view an outrageous abuse of government power-for which Lacey and Larkin were willing to pay the consequences to bring to light.
New Times is a generally liberal community newspaper with a penchant for investigative journalism. The publication has long criticized Arpaio and Thomas.
The subpoena reportedly is based on New Times’ publication of Arpaio’s home address, which allegedly is a crime. Whatever crime Thomas believes New Times or its principals or reporters have committed, the subpoena is breathtakingly broad-and in the view of some First Amendment experts, unprecedented in its scope.

http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;2092608

The county District Attorney dropped all the charges and dismissed the special prosecutor today. BIG story on local news. Andrew Thomas the county Attorney is a dweeb Repub who is a media hog and wack job so this must really mean they really stepped in it

Eli @ 147

LS @ 141

LOL that is true. I was reminded today about Tipper’s sort of censure of album lyrics or something…that kind of stopped me in my tracks….

Back to Dodd. Was he a nerd too?

Sheite….are they all nerds…don’t tell me…isn’t there at least one????? Please, I can’t take it.

I refuse to vote for a nerd. I just won’t do it. No. I want the non-nerd.

Well, so much for Kucinich.

Nerds:
Kucinich, Hillary, Richardson, Biden, maybe Dodd, maybe Obama.

Non-Nerds: Gravel, Edwards.

Dodd is currently my first choice of those who are running, and Edwards a not-that-close second.

I’m about there too.

Just in response to the comment about Maricopa, Arizona, which BTW makes me c.r.a.z.y….I send this, because it is so late 1930’s:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

Ed*ard Teller @ 156

Loo Hoo. @ 146

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

He never said he smoked, just that he didn’t inhale. Hillary was making the brownies:

“…I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale and never tried it again…”

If I may in defense of the Big Dog, inhaling is a learned response. Clinton was, from all appearances one of those who elected to be a straight arrow type as far as drinking and smoking when he was young (Boys State and Boys Nation types of early politicos).

I’m not sure if I ever heard of anyone who inhaled anything the first time they smoked; especially if they had never smoked anything previously. So mock him all you want, but remember your response the first time you smoked something, whether it was a cigarette or whatever. You puffed. And didn’t inhale.

katymine @ 166

CTuttle @ 143

Hey, any Arizonan firepups take a gander at this:

Goldwater Institute
October 19, 2007

SHOCKING SPEECH AND PRIVACY ASSAULT IN MARICOPA COUNTY

by Clint Bolick
If you ever have visited the website of Phoenix New Times, your Internet browsing habits may soon be in the hands of Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas. But not before one heck of a First Amendment fight.
Today’s Arizona Republic reports that sheriff’s deputies arrested New Times owners Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin, for the misdemeanor of revealing Grand Jury proceedings.
If true, thank goodness they did. For the subpoena they made public demands not only all New Times reporters’ records relating to articles written about Sheriff Joe Arpaio, but identification of the Internet addresses, pages visited, and previous websites visited for everyone who has visited the New Times website since 2004. In this instance, the rule requiring confidentiality of Grand Jury proceedings was shielding from public view an outrageous abuse of government power-for which Lacey and Larkin were willing to pay the consequences to bring to light.
New Times is a generally liberal community newspaper with a penchant for investigative journalism. The publication has long criticized Arpaio and Thomas.
The subpoena reportedly is based on New Times’ publication of Arpaio’s home address, which allegedly is a crime. Whatever crime Thomas believes New Times or its principals or reporters have committed, the subpoena is breathtakingly broad-and in the view of some First Amendment experts, unprecedented in its scope.

http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;2092608

The county District Attorney dropped all the charges and dismissed the special prosecutor today. BIG story on local news. Andrew Thomas the county Attorney is a dweeb Repub who is a media hog and wack job so this must really mean they really stepped in it

Alas, remember the golden rule; IOKIYAR!!! ;-)

Elliott @ 155

newspaperbrat @ 151

Not mailing in her dues to the Republican Party?

are you sure about that?

Nope.

I did live in Chicago and cut through her hometown throughout grad school years and often sat in local coffee shops waiting out rush hour. Not sure about now but then it was the most Repubican suburb I’ve ever spent time, including the tony north shore and later Pebble Beach where I lived for almost two decades.

newspaperbrat @ 170

Elliott @ 155

are you sure about that?

Nope.

I did live in Chicago and cut through her hometown throughout grad school years and often sat in local coffee shops waiting out rush hour. Not sure about now but then it was the most Repubican suburb I’ve ever spent time, including the tony north shore and later Pebble Beach where I lived for almost two decades.

I figured she never forgot.

More info
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/

In a stunning capitulation to an overwhelming public backlash, Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas announced in a press conference this afternoon charges against New Times founders Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin are being dismissed and that Dennis Wilenchik will no longer work for the CA’s office as a special prosecutor. Thomas admitted that the grand jury subpoena in the case, as discussed in this week’s cover story by Lacey and Larkin Grand Jury Targets New Times and Its Readers, was too broad.

“We are not going to proceed with this investigation,” stated Thomas. “The charges are going to be dismissed. And the matter is going to end.”

Thomas ate crow before a crowd of fired-up journalists, claiming the subpoena in the case offended him as an American and a writer. (Apparently, Thomas has written a couple of right-wing tomes in the past.)

GordonM @ 124

Eli @ 115

How often do you hear Republican politicians complain about how crazy and irrational their base is?

Ha. The GOP politicians are as irrational as their base (make that bases, not currently getting along with each other all that well). Often moreso.

On the Dem side, it’s because we are a new base, and they are not our politicians.

That’s a good way to look at it. The Dems aren’t used to this fact. They are used to not having much of a base, in fact.

Besides, is it just me, or is this new Dem base a fairly recent thing?

Loo Hoo. @ 165

I wish.

well.. if Hillary gets the nomination, maybe the fundies should consider running Kitty Harris or Mean Jean…

I hear Harry puts out on the first date.

The Truffle @ 172

GordonM @ 124

Ha. The GOP politicians are as irrational as their base (make that bases, not currently getting along with each other all that well). Often moreso.

On the Dem side, it’s because we are a new base, and they are not our politicians.

That’s a good way to look at it. The Dems aren’t used to this fact. They are used to not having much of a base, in fact.

Besides, is it just me, or is this new Dem base a fairly recent thing?

That’s a good question. Maybe it’s a new thing that there’s someone speaking for them, or at least trying to. (I *think* we’re speaking for most of the progressive base, but I don’t *know* it)

Toby Wollin @ 121

OT: Nancy Pelosi doesn’t like the language that Stark used on the floor the other day.
Well, boohoo, Nancy.
He told the truth as he sees it. A lot straighter than “Impeachment is off the table”. “Inappropriate”, my ass. You think that we “advocates” have been annoying to you before? Just watch.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..-outburst/

1. Reasons for going to war were lies.
2. Long understood dangers of failing to prepare for occupation were known.
3. The updated reason, building democracy in Iraq, was a blatant rationalization.
4. War was a strategic gift to the bin Laden’s movement.

Mr. Stark was not that far off base: witness the uproar over his remarks. Hit a nerve, did he? Do they get their knickers in knot over Dana Rhorbacher railing at anyone who would oppose rendition and a little torture as wanting America to lose? But question the motives of the scion of Bush? That’s beyond the pale! Mr. Bush can’t articulate a g’damn thing. Why the deference? Ataaaaaack, please.

LS @ 142

yellowdog jim @ 132

DING! DING! DING!

LOL that is true. I was reminded today about Tipper’s sort of censure of album lyrics or something…that kind of stopped me in my tracks….

Back to Dodd. Was he a nerd too?

Sheite….are they all nerds…don’t tell me…isn’t there at least one????? Please, I can’t take it.

I refuse to vote for a nerd. I just won’t do it. No. I want the non-nerd.

you, know Biden thinks he’s the outlaw loner.
so does, McCain.

well, maybe Kucinich?

kerry had a streak of that stuff, but the role was too big for him.

Feingold?

And let’s not forget about HoJob Liberman

katymine @ 172

More info
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/

In a stunning capitulation to an overwhelming public backlash, Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas announced in a press conference this afternoon charges against New Times founders Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin are being dismissed and that Dennis Wilenchik will no longer work for the CA’s office as a special prosecutor. Thomas admitted that the grand jury subpoena in the case, as discussed in this week’s cover story by Lacey and Larkin Grand Jury Targets New Times and Its Readers, was too broad.

“We are not going to proceed with this investigation,” stated Thomas. “The charges are going to be dismissed. And the matter is going to end.”

Thomas ate crow before a crowd of fired-up journalists, claiming the subpoena in the case offended him as an American and a writer. (Apparently, Thomas has written a couple of right-wing tomes in the past.)

Ah, nothing finer than crow pie!!! So, are Lacey and Larkin gonna sue for unlawful detention? 8~)

Millineryman @ 175

I hear Harry puts out on the first date.

HA!

(As noted earlier in comments) Pelosi today:

Pelosi issued a statement Friday evening rapping Stark, who is in his 18th term representing the liberal East Bay. He’s California’s longest-serving House members.
“While members of Congress are passionate about their views, what Congressman Stark said during the debate was inappropriate and distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand — providing health care for America’s children,” Pelosi said.

Sounds like she’s still worried what the popular kids will think, and embarrassed by the rest of us nerdy Dems. Time for us to make some noise her way and set her straight . . .

Valley Girl @ 158

Apologies for OT, but the owl video that LS posted was just great, and I wanted to download it from YouTube. Had some great links for doing this until very recently, but now none seem to work.

Does anyone out there have a VERY recent internet link that they KNOW will work for downloading YouTubes into .flv format?

(confession- I am a nerd, but maybe not top notch)

http://www.saveyoutube.com/

Blub @ 174

Loo Hoo. @ 165

I wish.

well.. if Hillary gets the nomination, maybe the fundies should consider running Kitty Harris or Mean Jean…

If you’re for Kitty, here’s for you

Millineryman @ 179

And let’s not forget about HoJob Liberman

he could always run as the candidate for the War Party… on a platform of starting one war per year

Eli @ 64

Oklahoma kiddo @ 61

Wonder what the political landscape will look like three months from now?

*puts fingers to temples, closes eyes*

I predict…

Dubya approval ratings will be lower.

The Democrats will still be afraid of him.

Hillary will still be the Democratic frontrunner.

The American people will be even more pissed off.

Probably….

But what about at six months….

2008?

2010?

2012?

Humans are hard wired to believe that tomorrow will be pretty much like today but….

The facts do not bear this out. Read Collapse by Jared Diamond, or maybe not you sound a little too depressed for that, or better yet The Origin of Wealth by Eric Beinhocker to get some ideas about how things really change and why.

My series of dates was to indicate my opinion which is that there will be big, big, big changes in the very near future.

Why?

Read The Origin…and you will see.

Shorter From: Punctuated Evolution applies to politics just as it does to organisms. Our survival as a society and a nation requires massive change…so there will be such. Whether it’s for the better or worse depends…

On us.

I don’t care if anyone smoked or bumped. I care if someone took the country into a contrived, illegal war based on lies that has killed more than a million people. I care if the person that smoked or bumped, illegally instituted a policy to spy on American citizens, prior to the event that prompted the false “war” status, that he attempted to use to justify the legal rationale; of ordering the stripping of the rights of the citizens of the United States of America.

Bush did that.

Elliott @ 184

If you’re for Kitty, here’s for you

that mouth is truly frightening

oregondave @ 182

(As noted earlier in comments) Pelosi today:

Pelosi issued a statement Friday evening rapping Stark, who is in his 18th term representing the liberal East Bay. He’s California’s longest-serving House members.
“While members of Congress are passionate about their views, what Congressman Stark said during the debate was inappropriate and distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand — providing health care for America’s children,” Pelosi said.

Sounds like she’s still worried what the popular kids will think, and embarrassed by the rest of us nerdy Dems. Time for us to make some noise her way and set her straight . . .

Not to worry, Code Pink is still parked on her sidewalk and guess what?

They ain’t leavin’

Blub @ 185

Millineryman @ 179

And let’s not forget about HoJob Liberman

he could always run as the candidate for the War Party… on a platform of starting one war per year

one per Friedman Unit

Heh, I like this post Eli!

Eli @ 107

It seriously bothers me that money trumps everything in our system. Not just the fact that we don’t have viable public financing of elections, but the very concept that what the people want and believe is largely irrelevant.

Yes, a good candidate with less money can defeat a bad candidate with more money, but the best candidate on earth can’t win without reaching some very *high* minimum amount of money. And probably a lot more than the netroots can provide by themselves.

I wrote my Senators and Congressman yesterday about the new FISA bills. Their offices wrote back right away, which is highly unusual. Even more unusual was that this time I got the distinct impression they were humoring a crazy person. They’ll give my opinions serious consideration, which I suspect means they’re going to do something else entirely.

Anyway, they’re both Democrats, and one of them has some serious cred as a liberal. Yet the idea that we should respect the Constitution seems like such a side issue.

LS @ 187

I don’t care if anyone smoked or bumped. I care if someone took the country into a contrived, illegal war based on lies that has killed more than a million people. I care if the person that smoked or bumped, illegally instituted a policy to spy on American citizens, prior to the event that prompted the false “war” status, that he attempted to use to justify the legal rationale; of ordering the stripping of the rights of the citizens of the United States of America.

Bush did that.

well said, LS
Blub @ 188

Elliott @ 184

If you’re for Kitty, here’s for you

that mouth is truly frightening

anemoneian

How did you find that nightmare, Elliot?!

A.Citizen @ 185

Eli @ 64

*puts fingers to temples, closes eyes*

I predict…

Dubya approval ratings will be lower.

The Democrats will still be afraid of him.

Hillary will still be the Democratic frontrunner.

The American people will be even more pissed off.

Probably….

But what about at six months….

2008?

2010?

2012?

Humans are hard wired to believe that tomorrow will be pretty much like today but….

The facts do not bear this out. Read Collapse by Jared Diamond, or maybe not you sound a little too depressed for that, or better yet The Origin of Wealth by Eric Beinhocker to get some ideas about how things really change and why.

My series of dates was to indicate my opinion which is that there will be big, big, big changes in the very near future.

Why?

Read The Origin…and you will see.

Shorter From: Punctuated Evolution applies to politics just as it does to organisms. Our survival as a society and a nation requires massive change…so there will be such. Whether it’s for the better or worse depends…

On us.

I don’t think there will be any big surprises in 2008, but the elections after that are going to be completely unpredictable. It’s going to depend on how the Democratic president does, and how the Democratic Congress interacts with them.

If they’re still afraid of their own shadows, and they don’t actually fix anything, then 2012 will be a really bad year. If they make visible progress, they should be able to consolidate their power. I’m probably just stating the obvious here.

yellowdog jim @ 190

one per Friedman Unit

he. McCain-Lieberman: Strength through Conquest
they’ll promise one fewer major world religion by 2012

tw3k @ 183

Valley Girl @ 158

Apologies for OT, but the owl video that LS posted was just great, and I wanted to download it from YouTube. Had some great links for doing this until very recently, but now none seem to work.

Does anyone out there have a VERY recent internet link that they KNOW will work for downloading YouTubes into .flv format?

(confession- I am a nerd, but maybe not top notch)

http://www.saveyoutube.com/

didn’t work, alas. got: Failure: cannot get download url…

Oilfieldguy @ 191

Heh, I like this post Eli!

Dood, long time no see!!!

Loo Hoo. @ 194

How did you find that nightmare, Elliot?!

I can’t remember, but I didn’t forget it once I encountered it.

Thanks, OFG!

Cujo359 @ 191

I wrote my Senators and Congressman yesterday about the new FISA bills. Their offices wrote back right away, which is highly unusual. Even more unusual was that this time I got the distinct impression they were humoring a crazy person. They’ll give my opinions serious consideration, which I suspect means they’re going to do something else entirely.

Anyway, they’re both Democrats, and one of them has some serious cred as a liberal. Yet the idea that we should respect the Constitution seems like such a side issue.

They don’t really seem to have much sense of duty or integrity. It’s all calculation.

Blub @ 196

yellowdog jim @ 190

one per Friedman Unit

he. McCain-Lieberman: Strength through Conquest
they’ll promise one fewer major world religion by 2012

Ah, but which one? With those two, you can be pretty sure it won’t be the one they’re aiming at.

TRex is up…

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..e/#respond

Ya know, Pelosi better get over crossing over her role as the “Mother/Grandmother” into her relating to “We the People”, like really soon. She’s not my mother and she’s not my grandmother, and she’s not my freaking boss!!!!!!! We are her bosses, and we are Bush’s bosses. Get that Pelosi!!!!!! You work for us!!!! You are not the law! In fact, you are not even being responsible to your duties that we, your bosses, pay you for, and you either W!!!

I fire both of you, and take those stinkin’ side show guys, Reid, and Cheney with you!!! Now.

You’re fired.

Eli @ 200

Thanks, OFG!

Cujo359 @ 191

Anyway, they’re both Democrats, and one of them has some serious cred as a liberal. Yet the idea that we should respect the Constitution seems like such a side issue.

They don’t really seem to have much sense of duty or integrity. It’s all calculation.

Taken in moderation, I’d say that political calculation is a good thing. Unfortunately, there really are times when you just have to do what you swore to do. They don’t seem to see that.

Blogfight in the comments. This pesky rightard just does not know how stupid he is. Example, he writes:

3- The US military loses over 1,000 men and women per year (average)…DURING PEACETIME… so bringing them home only changes the cause of death and their location when it happens.

Can you believe it? I respond:

Your point number three is probably the single most outrageous fuck-you I have ever seen anyone deliver to our military…

They are gonna die anyway so fuck ‘em.

You, sir, are an asshole.

I really do not like these people!

FYI new threadhttp://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ing-to-me/

Blub @ 196

yellowdog jim @ 190

one per Friedman Unit

he. McCain-Lieberman: Strength through Conquest
they’ll promise one fewer major world religion by 2012

Failure Is Not An Option!
(it’s guaranteed.)

A Citizen @ 187

Well said! And too true, as well!

‘Divine Right’ of money currently gives rise to political expediency and wholesale capitalistic plundering . . .

Money is NOT wealth.

Henceforth, ‘wealth’ will come to be ‘evidenced’ through free human minds; that is, capacity perceives possibilities allowing species to continue in sync with ability of planet to support human life.

But … greed and fear must play out a bit longer – those with vision must be prepared to encourage hope and humane perspective. They must also have a pragmatic grasp of universal human needs and realities – otherwise there will be no future worth experiencing. Instead, a true dark age and the end of human tenure on earth.

Stark choices for the rest of our lives, unless we choose to stand, at the risk of our comfort and our lives, for what we claim to ‘believe’.

Valley Girl @ 197

tw3k @ 183

http://www.saveyoutube.com/

didn’t work, alas. got: Failure: cannot get download url…

:/

a lot of ideas third link down

Eli; an exercise in reality, was this thread.

Thanks.

And, as always, en passant, may I point out that Sen. Clinton is very much a PART of the corporate problem; NOT part of the solution to it.

Loo Hoo. @ 146

I’ll bet Obama wasn’t a nerd. And if Bill was smoking and not inhaling, what was Hillary not doing?

I’m still waiting for the killer question from some ridiculous moderator, “Have any of you (candidates) used any illegal drugs, including marijuana?”

It oughta produce some fun answers.

Loo Hoo. @ 164

Ed*ard Teller @ 156

He never said he smoked, just that he didn’t inhale. Hillary was making the brownies:

“…I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale and never tried it again…”

Well now, she did mention not baking cookies. Guess she outfoxed the media again!

I suppose it depends upon whether you’re rooting for someone as to whether “outfoxing the media” is good or just another way of lying yer ass off to the public. Haven’t we had enough of slick willie and smirky mcchimp?

Best Teen movie: “Sixteen Candles”.
Nerd)Anthony Michael Hall-Dennis Kucinich
Nerd)Jon Cusack-Ron Paul
Pop Girl)Molly Ringwald-Hillary
Weirdo)Long Duck Dong-HoJo

So much for this 3rd party and Constitutionalist Party stuff. Just vote for Ron or Dennis. Stop the war!!!

$50 to Filibuster!

We made a donation to Dodd’s campaign! About time someone showed some leadership! Sending some Rolaids to Reid. I have a feeling Dodd, et al are giving him heartburn!

Eli @ 13

BTW, the telecom contributions to Rockefeller are, like, Exhibit A of why corporations giving to Democrats is not really a good thing.

While corporate contributions certainly play a role, it’s the cash filled envelopes and briefcases that do the job. Election reform laws are the least part of it which is why I don’t think the Nerd is that different from the mean football player.

oregondave @ 182

(As noted earlier in comments) Pelosi today:

Pelosi issued a statement Friday evening rapping Stark, who is in his 18th term representing the liberal East Bay. He’s California’s longest-serving House members.
“While members of Congress are passionate about their views, what Congressman Stark said during the debate was inappropriate and distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand — providing health care for America’s children,” Pelosi said.

Sounds like she’s still worried what the popular kids will think, and embarrassed by the rest of us nerdy Dems. Time for us to make some noise her way and set her straight . . .

Speaking as one of the mean outsider kids that nice girls like Nancy are supposed to avoid, let me say this:

Nancy, STFU.