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| By: TRex Friday October 19, 2007 10:01 pm | |
Music to dust yourself off and start again to.
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TRex!!!
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That makes it a double header tonight.
oh well. good nite.
SnarKassandra @ 6
Nite Cassie
siete?
g’nite cassie
Dinah Washington — nice!
EPU vs. Vic Kohring:
Ed*ard Teller @ 338
anyone let downstairs know (with a link please)
just did, suz
Ed*ard Teller @ 11
keep us posted!
thanks ll
hey et, how’s alaska tonight? still no stevens the elder indictment :(
Another kitteh
LoudounLib @ 16
Hi LL! Evening all! That kitteh has a “whut u want? I’z restin” look on her (?) face.
LoudounLib @ 16
Oh, so adorable. We had a calico just like her.
hi persi! Yes, it’s a she — my own Callie. She loves to burrow into all of the throw pillows for a snooze ;-)
LoudounLib @ 16
She owns the bed. So sweet. Just like Cindy Loo Hoo does.
My daughter bought Halloween costumes for my dogs. Kobe (American Eskimo) will be a pumpkin, and Cindy (chihuahua) will be a ladybug!
Loo Hoo. @ 20
That is too cute, LooHoo – we are gonna want pictures yanno
Loo Hoo, you must take pics! I love the idea of a ladybug costume for Cindy Loo Hoo, that is too cute!
It is now illegal to text while driving in Phoenix Arizona
btw, big thanks to everyone for hugs & good wishes. Thinking about what the heck was i listening to in the 80’s helped lessen the lump in my throat. Those little fuzzers really twine themselves around our heartstrings, don’t they …
So, going back, back, back, one of my last record albums, and my very first CD was King Sunny Ade. Some awful feedback at the beginning, but it’s a way early video.
Next two i didn’t buy, but liked Beat Farmers and Big Country
Why would someone like Brett Wilkes hire Scott Peterson’s lawyer? TPM:
Fool for a Lawyer, Part III
We’ve been chatting over the last few days about whether Brent Wilkes is the stupidest criminal defendant in the world or Mark Geragos is the stupidest lawyer in the world. And I’ve exchanged emails with a number of readers — mainly lawyers — who’ve shared with me various different theories of the case or theories of the just what Geragos has been up to that, I concede, have exposed me to some complexities of the situation that at least complicate the picture.
LoudounLib @ 19
She’s a sweetie. And she looks very comfortable. My cats have a house full of soft surfaces to snooze on so I never understand why I often find Sam napping with his head against the wall.
LoudounLib @ 16
I love calicos!
Evening, all. Was involuntarily lurking earlier. Got home late, and the gray box ate the comment space on the earlier thread.
The best thing about this week … is that it’s over.
John McCain on Lehrer news how has the voice inflections of someone who runs a morgue– i.e., quiet enough to let the dead or nearly dead rest in peace. Insomniacs could use the tape for bed-time listening as a sleep aid. Am I hearing that right?
Bob in HI
Everytime I read Brett Wilkes’ name, I would think of Gone With The Wind and Miss Mellie and Miss Scarlet both vying for the dashing Mr. Wilkes – until I saw a picture of him.
Suzanne @ 15
This week the legislature is having a special session that is supposed to fix the problems created by the totally crooked legislative session which gave us the current oil extraction fees. The Feds can’t issue indictments in an atmosphere where their issuance might lead to new legislation that might be more demanding on big oil. Not in this presidential administration. Not yet.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 27
She’s the only calico I’ve ever had — got lucky with her, she’s just a little old barn kitteh!
* wonders if * IBM has fingers in datamining.
MGM Mirage <3 Reid
hey burns
was wondering where ya were burns
burnspbesq @ 28
Trick: temporarily bump text size up or down (Command-plus or minus sign on Mac), enter comment and restore.
That sound you are hearing is millions of copies of Harry Potter books being thrown away by fundie parent.
http://my.earthlink.net/articl…..1375345642
does that make the grey box of doom go away on a mac newton?
Suzanne @ 35
Was in the office until 8, and traffic coming home was beastly. Half of LA was trying to get to the Halloween Haunt at Knott’s Berry Farm.
I will take pictures of the Halloween pups!
burnspbesq @ 37
Yup, Dumbledore is gay — and Grindewald was his lover. (Makes me think of Professor X and Magneto!)
Suzanne @ 38
The gray box sets itself a certain “distance” from the top of the post, so changing the text size displaces it up or down, out of the way of the comment entry field.
Alaska State Legislature Speaker of the House, Republican John Harris, opening his first full day of a special session today in Juneau:
Every bit of our action is being scrutinized to this day. There very well could be wiretaps, there very well could be bugs in this building or anywhere else…
The party of trust, eh?
katymine @ 23
katymine- re: your trivia question on the last thread. Well, your support staff must be off to somewhere that has a big sports game. But, I couldn’t even make a guess, w/o tons of google, bc I am sports ignorant.
So, where is he off to?
Ed*ard Teller @ 43
damning words – and from a republican!
Guess who I’m going to see on Sunday night?
Them
Them, too
I’ve stayed up way later than intended, so I must be off. Good night all!
Suzanne @ 38
What is the grey box. I get it all the time at DWT.
Now, I’m loath to make you all look at an Australian newspaper but, if you’re brave or silly enough go here. Look at the photo on the left. The woman at the front laughing is Maxine McKew, Labor’s candidate hoping to topple PM John Howard in his own seat. If you look further back you’ll see John Howard and his wife
Hyacinth BucketJanette looking neglected an none too happy. Now there’s a photo to lift my spirits.Pete Starks speaks for me. And Speaker Pelosi, you should either lead, follow, or get out of the way. How DARE you reprimand Mr. Starks for telling the truth! What IS the truth? The truth is it is patently obvious that GWB does in fact enjoy being at war, and it is a guilty pleasure this nation can no longer afford him.
Hi all – speaking of kitties, I just got a new kitten. She’s a 3 month old platinum Burmese and we’re calling her Phoebe. I’ll have some pix in about 20 minutes (must get new camera operating)
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 24
This was reminding me of Paul Simon’s work in the early 80’s, so I was looking for Diamonds, when I came across this clip. Paul Simon on SCHIP!
Ed*ard Teller @ 43
Sounds like they may be getting nervous! Heh!
Alicia @ 51
woohoo, excellent news alicia.. phoebe is a lovely name
Valley Girl @ 44
Elmore is THE tech manager for Monday Night Football production….. Jacksonville FL
burnspbesq @ 46
I have friends who saw them last night. Their review wasn’t charitable. Said the Chicks had big tech challenges at first, then settled in nicely. And Eagles seemed to be going through the motions. Opening night bugs, as I think it was the first night of the tour, no?
Suzanne,
On the verge of snowing. It is about 35 degress F and raining. We’re supposed to get between 1 and 6 inches of snow tonight, and between 2 and 6 tomorrow. My place is ready for this, but I AM NOT!
Steve-AR @ 48
I am a PC user. I have no idea what the complaint is. DWT always is fine for me. And, Howie rocks!
burnspbesq @ 46
Thass a big ass yawn from this Larue . .
Gimme folks who can pick and sing 4 parts and play 4 instruments in an acoustic manner . . .
That’s musicianship, and music.
Pop 40 is the devil’s work, why ELSE would it have sold and influenced so many of the masses?
I HATE the Eagles . . . ugh.
Have a good time . . . Burns . . (gag me)
newtonusr @ 56
Keeping my fingers crossed. Sunday night will be the third show. Bugs should be worked out by then. Haven’t seen the Eagles live since (believe it or not) 1976.
sprinkling here et and temps rose from 53 to 58 with the rain…
Steve-AR @ 48
Seems to be a rendering bug in the Mac OS, and is present in multiple browsers. If you take a look at a YouTube vid above and how it aligns with the gray box…
tw3k says the SDK (software development kit) from Apple fixes it, but I haven’t installed it. Yet.
Valley Girl @ 53
it may be too late. Heh, heh… heh, heh, heh….. I may go into a chuckling fit thinking about all those GOP pols in Juneau, looking at every lightbulb, turning over every bar of soap. Then, they escape from their hotel room, go down to the bar’s restroom, and there are extra security people, ’cause so many GOP men are in town at the same time.
Loo Hoo. @ 52
Nice!
bobschacht @ 29
Do you think the fundies will end up backing him? Or do you think they’ll somehow back “Max Headroom” Mitt?
burnspbesq @ 37
Rowlings is one of the good guys! No wonder the fundies don’t want her books in the liberries!
Hey gang!!!
Feels like forever since I’ve been here.
Spending a nice quiet weekend with both my kids before leaving for russia again on Tuesday. Looking forward to almost two weeks of St. Petersburg magic and paying attention to the russian perspective first hand on what’s developing betw George the Crazy and Iran.
Maybe by the time I get back the Dem leadership will have grown a spine?? I’m not holding my breath.
Keep a light on and a fervent prayer that this wonderful nationwide exercise by DHS is just that. Explosive detecting dogs in Maine detected the presence of explosives in a van used by DHS; this exercise is supposed to be completely for training purposes…there should not be ay explosives unless someone had something nefarious planned.
Exercises were being conducted on 9/11 also.
And what a nice anniversary present the market gave everyone except those short the DJIND contracts.
Anyway, gotta get a little sleep…we’re going pumpkin picking in the a.m. and tomorrow night taking a haunted hayride. I swear having these young kids at my old age is keeping me young and on my toes.
They deserve a much better world than the one this fucking war criminal is preparing for them.
burnspbesq @ 59
Scuze my rudeness Burns, but when the Eagles came here (in the last few years) the prices were outrageous. I was never a big fan but I woulda needed to take a mortgage to pay for it (slight exaggeration). Are the prices more reasonable there?
nice to hear from ya, james.. take pictures please
newtonusr @ 61
The nightly builds of webkit, no troubles.
burnspbesq @ 46
Wowsers!
Ed*ard Teller @ 62
As someone said above- ET, please keep us posted!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 64
Max Headroom! THAT’s who Mitt reminds me of!
burnspbesq @ 46
Well, that version of Hotel California just does not do it for me. Sounds like they are just mouthing the words. Like way, way too laid back. Disconnected. Smoking too many tacos?
Ed*ard Teller,
How are the people of Alaska taking all these revelations of corruption? Are they about ready to bring out the pitchforks and torches and go after the Republican officeholders?
katymine @ 55
Didn’t know that katymine. No wonder you follow things closely!
persiflage @ 67
Top ticket price is US$265. Both bands are playing full sets, so it’s effectively two shows for the price of one.
burns, prices like that are reasons why fans like me can’t attend concerts anymore :(
Loo Hoo. @ 66
That news has been all up and down my LJ friends list. *grins* Too many i follow are HP fans and they’re ecstatic at the news. XD Rowling is SO cool. I got a grin out of it.
I have been away from the tubes for the evening. What is this about Pelosi and Starks?
marymccurnin @ 79
She publicly denounced him. Sorry, no link.
marymccurnin @ 80
just clowning around, you know, the usual exploding heads for fun and profit
persiflage @ 72
That is a funny one!
pelosi’s denouncement
Suzanne @ 82
Clowning around? Clowning?
marymccurnin @ 79
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..nt-1044787
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..nt-1044806
those are my comments. Link and Stark comments.
burnspbesq @ 76
I don’t remember exactly but the Eagles alone cost more than that here.
persiflage @ 49
Australian comic; sounds right!
Loo Hoo it is also why I say…. ENOUGH sports…
there is something pure sinful in Haagen Dazs Chocolate Sorbet and no…. Miss Dog I am not sharing
marymccurnin @ 85
Now see what you’ve started?
marymccurnin @ 79
Shorter Pelosi/Starks. Pelosi’s a softcock, Starks is not.
Valley Girl @ 86
Thanks.
Pelosi is Lieberman in drag.
Suzanne @ 84
She did it because the Pubbies were using their fake hissy kabuki to try to distract from their killing SCHIP. Silly person — as if the Pubbies needed a reason to go into Hissy Kabuki Mode.
marymccurnin @ 92
just another clown wearing pearls
Then, they escape from their hotel room, go down to the bar’s restroom, and there are extra security people, ’cause so many GOP men are in town at the same time.
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707!
I believe this is the song you were thinking of dedicating to Pete Stark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyydCuurQMk
Pelosi isn’t in the Lieberman category. That man loves war and wants some more of it!
tw3k @ 87
Me, too! One week down, five to go.
Loo Hoo. @ 97
Pelosi is just more passive aggressive about it.
When was the last time a Republican said something outrageous, the Democrats complained, and a top dog Republican apologized or threw their guy under the bus?
marymccurnin @ 98
Sorry, gotta agree with Loo Hoo here. Pelosi is compromised, but she in NOT in the same category as whacked out Joe. But, don’t forget that Barbara Boxer campaigned for Lieberman in CT.
Ed*ard Teller @ 43
Just mention the US embassy in Moscow. The one that had the rebar wired for sound. The one we had to rebuild, if I remember right.
Never know what’s behind that drywall…
Oh, and mention that bathrooms usually have very good acoustics, if anyone’s taping!
Valley Girl @ 100
So who is the DeLay of the centrist caucus?
Ed*ard Teller @ 63
any, ummm, foot-tapping in those restrooms?
marymccurnin @ 99
She’s just being silly, is all.
The deal is that the Republicans, desperate for a distraction from the fact that they killed SCHIP, latched onto Stark’s comments
If Nancy had any brains, she would have said “Pete Stark will apologize after Michael Mukasey apologizes for calling government officials Nazis and Mitch McConnell apologizes for attacking a 12-year-old boy, Graeme Frost, who has been through hell.”
Nobody in the democratic party has anywhere next door to the power DeLay had.
Phoenix Woman @ 105
DING! That is exactly what she shudda said. (my bold)
tw3k @ 103
Uh, kinda late here, so this is off the top of my head. These are not whips, but… Steny Hoyer and Rahm Emmanuel.
Nancy should hire PW.
WE are the whips
Phoenix Woman @ 93
in the comments at glenn greenwald in salon, RMP gives a good example of what pelosi could have said:
Phoenix Woman @ 93
Answering my own question:
Am I the only one who thinks that suggesting that this statement- “But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if he can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President’s amusement.” is an overstatement, worthy of reply?
I like Pete for pitching a grenade into the Gooper tent, but he would have been well served to maybe say, “But you’re going to spend it to blow up innocent people if he can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off while you show indifference to their suffering and the suffering of their loved ones, not to mention innocent Iraqiis.”
Suzanne @ 109
Yahoo and Giddy-up!
neurophius @ 100
very excellent point. Could it be…never?
Loo Hoo. @ 106
Because DeLay used bribery and threats to bludgeon his Congresspeople into line. Illegally, I might add.
Mukasey, what a concept!
Many people condemned him on the basis of his second day testimony. I, by contrast, condemned him almost immediately, when he said that “We don’t torture because that’s not who we are …” To me that proved that he had drunk the Bush koolaid and had become one of them. But many people whom I partially respect seemed to like him at the end of that day.
Those same people were furious with him at the end of the second day for claiming to have difficulty acknowledging that waterboarding is torture. And, I’m on board with them; that’s beyond obtuse.
But, I started to see a pattern emerge: Mukasey readily acknowledged (with no prompting) that “torture is unconstitutional.” Where he won’t go at this time is to say that anything the Bush administration has done is in fact torture. Well, shit, Bush is the guy who nominated him and for whom he’d be working. He can’t come right out and say, “I’ll indict his ass.”
My personal best guess is that Mukasey is a thorough-going fascist. But I harbor a one-percent hope that perhaps he’s a sly fox who’ll do some serious inside damage once he’s installed, as he surely will be. Am I being totally silly?
Margot @ 102
Taping or Tapping?
on the subject of kittehs – here’s our new baby. She is a ray of sunshine.
That would be better, newtonusr. Paul Begella (is it Paul) agreed with you, but also gave examples of when Bush was amused by peoples deaths while governor of Texas.
‘course i’m not convinced that bush isn’t amused by war. from sysprog (also from glenn’s comments):
well, it took a while, but here’s a pic of my daughter & teh kitteh himself, TwitchyTail Furball Sir-Puss-in-Boots Fuzzwums. Kinda longe, but she named him when she was 4-1/2.
Alicia @ 118
Cute, cute, cute….
Alicia @ 118
oh, what a darling!
newtonusr @ 113
If it was an overstatement, it was a heartfelt overstatement. And, it resonated with me because it reflected how totally totally out of touch Bush is. And, it resonated with me, because of course I remember the history of Bush blowing up frogs with firecrackers for his own amusement.
Sounds like Stark may have read those reports too. So, right, maybe his allusion was too subtle, but I deem it to have been on the money.
Loo Hoo. @ 105
True, it is a different sort of caucus. Maybe something more like a hedgehog concept.
Wow. I hadnt been paying attention. Didnt realize that Pelosi had ‘denounced’ Stark.
That is it. She has gone from hapless to horrible.
How did we get saddled with such morons? The right wing is full of calculating sociopaths and the best we can come up with is a bunch of spineless idiots.
she’s beautiful, alicia
Valley Girl @ 107
sounds right. Seems like they are trying to play Rahm’s ideas into 08.
Alicia @ 118
You should enter her in kitten wars.
Alicia @ 118
Oh she’s beautiful Alicia. An A-Grade cutie!
topic-challenged:
persi,
F1:
i’m getting the qualifying from earlier today.
live Sunday.
wasn’t it piquet, mansell and proust in 1986?
Oh, Wigwam. Isn’t there a giant check for these people if they play their cards right? And a certain amount of living in fear if they don’t?
What’s become of Leahy’s declaration that Gonzoles and Rove will still be hauled back in front of his committee after their resignations?
The repugs are still cocky son of a bitches as if they don’t think they are ever leaving. Maybe they aren’t-elections be damned. The dems are scared of something and it sure isn’t us. Dodd and Stark are giving me hope though.
DeLay had an agenda… he knew what he wanted to do and he did it…. If you watch the first few minutes to the documentary “The Big Buy” you will see that not only did he have a list and checked every item off that list he also succeeded 100% before he resigned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavi0vCNDBU
Attended a panel discussion on Delay in Austin 2005 with Molly Ivans, Hightower, Lou Dubose and Chris Bell who lost his seat with the redistricting of Tx
Delay was a big success and it is sad that we as a party do not know that he won.
Alicia @ 117
A sweetie, Alicia!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 121
what a cutie pie… i’ll be thinking warm positive thoughts ndfg
Alicia @ 118
what a doll!!
i have 4 tokinese (three of them platinum), a closely related breed, and they are wonderful. easy to train to scratching post us, to leash and harness… and they trained me to play fetch with them.
Bush isn’t a Moron, He’s a Cunning Sociopath
~~If we believe the psychiatrists, a sign of a future serial killer is a child who delights in torturing and killing animals. George W., as a child, did exactly that. In a May 21, 2000, New York Times’ puff piece about the values Bush gained growing up in Midland, Texas, Nicholas D. Kristof quoted Bush’s childhood friend Terry Throckmorton: “‘We were terrible to animals,’ recalled Mr. Throckmorton, laughing. A dip behind the Bush home turned into a small lake after a good rain, and thousands of frogs would come out. ‘Everybody would get BB guns and shoot them,’ Mr. Throckmorton said. ‘Or we’d put firecrackers in the frogs and throw them and blow them up.’”
On Sept. 12, 2000, Baltimore Sun reporter Miriam Miedzian wrote, “So when he was a kid, George W. enjoyed putting firecrackers into frogs, throwing them in the air, and then watching them blow up. Should this be cause for alarm? How relevant is a man’s childhood behavior to what he is like as an adult? And in this case, to what he would be like as president of the United States.” ~~~
Loo Hoo. @ 109
And pay top dollar and apologize publicly!
Valley Girl @ 124
I agree completely. But if his remarks were designed to draw a rebuke from Nancy, mission accomplished. And I think Chimpy is a sadistic fuck. But Pete could have brought as much or more derision down on ChimpCo without making himself the target.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 121
What a sweet little fella. And your daughter’s lovely, she look so happy in that photo.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 120
Does he have a nickname? Beautiful daughter and Furball…….
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 123
When I lost my first Burmese (who was 15) in 94 after the earthquake, it took me ten years to even think about another cat. But I’m glad we got Phoebe – I think she is helping the whole house heal from the loss of our Venus.
The Repukes keep acting like the Majority, and the Dems keep believing them, so they act like the minority….(banging head on computer)….
What will it take to retrain them, friggin’ cookies?????
Pelosi takes this ridiculous “posture”…posture that is supposed to sound rational, and reasoning…wrong, wrong, wrong…wrong language, Nancy…wrong…they don’t “speak” that…just tell them to stop spying on Americans…tell them to stop torturing people…tell them to stop taking our rights away…tell them to take care of the kids…and, BTW, tell them that they are going to be impeached….just do it.
Just stop the crap, you have the power. What is your problem??????
Hi…waving…flying by…going out to see if I can see the shooting stars of the Orionids….
selise @ 120
That old boy so wanted to be a war president in the worst way:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1110-20.htm
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761
wigwam @ 116
I hope — and sort of expect — that not too long after he gets sworn in as AG, Mukasey is going to have a “holy shit!” moment similar to the one that Jack Goldsmith describes in his book, and that he will start to kick some serious ass. I disagree with virtually everything he said on the subject of torture in his testimony at his confirmation hearing, but the guy has had a long and distinguished career as a lawyer and a judge. Those values don’t go away just because George Dubya Boosh slobbers all over you.
I’m especially looking forward to Mukasey folding, spindling, and mutilating David Addington.
Here is another trailer of The Big Buy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy6p3g8cYYQ
Do you think that Delay succeeded?
selise @ 136
I’ve seen tonkinese – they are like Burmese, and trainable too! Venus taught us to fetch coiled-up pipecleaners, and my first Burmese walked on a leash and did tricks like a dog.
burnspbesq @ 146
In the name of God, I hope you’re right.
newtonusr @ 140
i cut stark slack for what he said in a moment of frustration and passion.
i don’t cut any slack for a carefully thought through rebuke by house dem leadership. they could have handled the fake controversy in a productive way… instead they once again threw one of their own under the bus.
Burns said, “I’m especially looking forward to Mukasey folding, spindling, and mutilating David Addington.”
That would be great, but what leads you to believe that he will?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 121
Sweet kitty, lovely daughter. Good thoughts coming from here…
katymine @ 134
Dear heavens. Help us!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 121
oh, he is a sweet guy! I’ll be thinking love-thoughts at him.
yellowdog jim @ 130
Proust was busy being dead. Alain Prost, however, was alive and kicking ass. I just checked and the qualifying is on TV here at 1am tonight. Was 1986 the year Mansell’s tyre blew up within sight of the finish line and world championship? Going back 21 years is kinda hard on the memory banks.
Alicia @ 148
very smart kitties!
Please, somebody drag those sorry excuses for counsel to the Presdidenctzt in to testify as to what the fuck they are doing and have done????
Just haul them in, plant their butts down, and demand a freaking answer. Addington and Fielding, get your asses over pronto.
Why are they skating arrogantly away amidst all of this. Go get them, now. They work for us, and an answer is demanded.
Yesterday.
I’m going to take my iPod and my copy of Krugman’s book and toddle off to bed.
Have an excellent weekend, everyone.
newtonusr @ 140
Well, people who speak the truth often do so in the passion of the moment, without calculating the odds beforehand. He spoke the truth. If he had stopped to calculate, think it through, given how pressing matters were, he might not have spoken at all in the moment.
I much prefer the fact that he made an imperfect statement in the moment, rather that letting the moment pass. It was on the floor. He spoke with passion. This was not a “press release” that might well have been more carefully crafted, after the fact. He did not triangulate.
selise @ 155
You get hooked on them, don’t you?
selise @ 150
DING DING DING!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 121
another doll (x2)! i’m in kittie heaven.
Alicia @ 142
Yes, it’s so hard to lose a part of our heart, isn’t it? Twitch is 15-1/2yrs old, has a fluffy orange brother, plus we have two 17-yr-old black kitty sisters. Twitch has always been the strongest, bravest, healthiest, so i never considered that he might be the first of our kitty family to have something serious develop.
Alicia @ 160
hard not to.
Dodd/Stark ‘08!
ATTACK! ATTAAACK!! ATTAAAAAAACKKKK!
Seriously…we gotta keep doing this more and more. It completely smashes through the false verneer of “bipartisanship” and forces people, mostly our “Dem leaders,” to choose sides and reveal their true colors. Stop worrying about how we’re gonna be portrayed in the Conglomerate Media! It doesn’t matter.
The ATTACK mentality works there as well. In the past few weeks Tweety Matthews was absolutely dismantled by Jon Stewart, and Stephanie Miller just called him a “right wing tool” on his own show. He has no idea how to handle it as he slides further into irrelevancy. The narratives that have dominated the public discourse over the last 30 years are being re-written, and the Old Media mavens are freakin. Let’s step it up a notch or two…ATTACK!
Nite Burns
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 162
wow – how great to have them for so long. No matter how long they live, there’s never a good time for them to go…
nyt editorial:
selise @ 150
In this place, Stark is preaching to the choir. He’s telling the truth as he sees it, and many of us agree, including me, that Chimpy is indeed, amused. But that’s very different than saying it on the House floor.
He will have to apologize for suggesting that the President of the United States, right or wrong, finds amusement in the death and suffering of our soldiers, while speaking on the floor of the House of Representatives. Those are the rules of the House.
I cut Pete Stark as much slack anyone here. He’s a Patriot and a forceful voice for Progressive issues and values.
That is an apology I don’t want to see him have to make.
selise @ 167
And now with all this fresh new corporate cash, it will be even harder for Dems to do what they should be doing.
(waving to the leaving sleepy pups)
neurophius @ 151
People I know who have appeared before Judge Mukasey have told me that he has an extremely low tolerance for bulls**t. Addington’s bullying tactics are typical of a certain kind of litigator. That dog most assuredly won’t hunt with the Judge.
bonkers @ 163
RRRRAAAAWWWWW!!!!!1111
and from dKos Front page:
re preznit blowing up frogs, two boys in my brother’s class were the same. Unfortunately, one was son of my dad’s best friend & would sometimes come to visit with his dad. Even at age 7 or so we knew something was really wrong with that kid. He’s in prison, been there a long time. The other kid was troubled teen, died of drug OD in early twenties. Their parents didn’t have the $$$$ to buy them a Ivy League degree & a lot of elections.
newtonusr @ 169
yeah.
but i’m still really pissed at the house leadership for making it worse.
selise @ 168
Thanks. That is an excellent editorial. I encourage all to read the whole piece.
burns, unless NSA has enough on him to make the judge kowtow to that dog. i hope not but i worry it happens
selise @ 166
yeah, that centrist strategy is working great :/
Suzanne @ 78
I know…The Stones in 1972 cost a whole $6 and I had to think about that, it seemed really high, but I paid it.
Night Burnspbesq! Looking forward to our get-together. Did you see that Mommybrain will join us too?
Any more thoughts, katymine and newtonusr??
burnspbesq @ 170
That is heartening.
Alicia @ 166
so true … the unconditional love (yes, cats do love that way even if a can opener isn’t involved *g* ) well, the love they give is worth the pain at the end.
Valley Girl @ 161
Absolutely.
Valley Girl @ 158
He spoke the unspeakable and planted a seed. On balance, I’d say good work.
newtonusr @ 169
Well, again, we disagree. I happen to believe that Stark saying what he did on the House floor was the absolutely best place for him to say it.
Honestly, I doubt that his statement was premeditated with a thought as to “preaching to the choir”. He was speaking in his venue, speaking his frustration. Kinda resonated with me. As, in, honest.
Goodnight, pups and kittehs…
enjoy phoebe, alicia
persiflage @ 154
proust won the championship in 1986.
senna came in fourth.
i think ‘86 was the last time the championship was the three-way race at the last event.
1986
bonkers @ 165
I want to ask everyone to reflect on how far we have come in the past year.
Do you recall the MCA disaster? Many weeks before, I accidentally caught Gonzales on CSPAN testifying to the Senate’s Military committee. He completely gave away the game plan with respect to retroactive immunity for torturers and their superiors.
So, I started (ineptly) blowing the whistle but nobody picked it up until the last minute. Most were distr acted with protesting “The Path to 9/11,” which was a shiny distratction from the real action.
But the bottom line was that we had no clue as to who was doing what to whom. The word from nameless Democratic leadership was that “We’ll leave no daylight between them and us on this bill.” To this day, I don’t know who was the asshole who said that, but someday I’ll find out and place a curse on him.
Suzanne @ 186
Thanks, Suz – I am! She’ll be cuddling up with me tonight.
selise @ 175
As am I, selise. But this is the kind of statement we have been railing against for 15 years, aimed at Democrats and particularly, Bill Clinton.
Reread my suggested statement and see if Stark exits the floor a hero, unscathed by the leadership (such as it is), and inflicts equal or greater damage upon Chimpy.
I’m all for passionate opposition to what has been going on, and there has been precious little of it. But when Stark steps to the podium on Monday and apologizes, it will have been for much less effect than was possible.
Loo Hoo. @ 179
Little too long a road trip 4 weeks post-op but I can get a ticket for $118 for a day trip….still thinking about it
Shelia Jackson Lee is on Bill Maher … My hero
Valley Girl @ 185
I’ll just jump in here at the end and say, while the use of the word ‘amusement’ was ill-advised, no apologies, please.
The minute BWBush apologizes for “no WMDs under here…”, or Coulter apologizes for calling Edwards a faggot, of Limbaugh apologizes for ‘phony soldiers’, or Rep. Boner(sic) apologizes for “hiding behind kids”. then I’ll ask Stark to apologize for that one word.
Until then, fuck em!
Are the tides turning?
Another Dem disObeys orders.
Thank you, SteveAudio.
persiflage @ 154
i do not know how many times i read this and until only NOW do i see that proust is not prost.
sorry.
I see no reason for Pete Stark to apologize for his comments.
bonkers @ 193
I like Obey, met him at a Wisc. Dem function i attended with my Mom, she bought his book which i will be reading soon.
Valley Girl @ 195
My sincere pleasure, VG.
Loo Hoo. @ 112
bonkers @ 165
DING!
Valley Girl @ 196
I completely agree and sent Rep Stark an email asking him NOT to apologize, not to back down and to stand tall.
yellowdog jim @ 187
I just looked it up. It ended up awfully close. And it says that Mansell went out the last race because of a tyre so that might have been the year his tyre blew up so spectacularly. Mr Persi was actually there for the race but was on the other side of the track when the tyre exploded. It’s going to be an exciting race, I’m trying to find when it will be shown here, probably tomorrow (Sunday) night.
Valley Girl @ 196
Neither do I, if you’re talking about freedom of speech. Buth those are the House rules. Period. He must apologize and he will. It is a sad statement, and I cannot watch it. And it will happen anyway.
selise @ 168
Thank you, Selise. What a wonderful editorial from MSM! Olberman himself couldn’t have done all that much better.
newtonusr @ 189
Stark needs a youTube of all times chimpy giggles. Amused indeed.
newtonusr @ 191
i’m of two minds…. if stark hadn’t said anything remarkable, then the only people who would have seen it are the c-span junkies. by making a bit of a faux contraversy his statement gets widely seen (like the moveon ad).
… and i really didn’t obect to the passion of clinton’s detractors – i objected to their lies and their focus on matters that seemed to me unimportant compared to issues of live and death.
not exactly disagreeing… just ambivalent…
newtonusr @ 203
Please explain the house rule that mandates this, I truly would like to know.
And thanks again for the music, a while back.
bonkers @ 194
DING!!!
Dodd/Obey in 2008!!!
tw3k @ 203
sounds like a job for jon stewart and tds – that is exactly what i would like to see on monday’s show
yellowdog jim @ 195
No problem, I was just being a smart-arse. I only know the difference because I was into F1 long before I ever read any Proust. And I thought *his* name was misspelled!
well, goodnight Pups. Thank you, thank you, thank you for kind words and sharing kitty pics.
Tomorrow i’m going back down to family in Wisconsin to help make more fresh-pressed organic apple cider. That’s what happens when ya have a baby brother who’s a machinist, he thinks nothing of buying an antique apple cider press & grinder, refurbishing them, & putting the whole darn family to work. Now that i’ve managed to post a kitty pic, i’ll see if i can post some cider-making pics.
{{{{{{{{{{{{ firepups }}}}}}}}}}}}
newtonusr @ 202
So let him apologise for violating House rules which are about respecting the office of the President, not the individual occupying that office.
newtonusr @ 203
There are “rules” in DeeCee?!? Quick, someone send a memo to the White House…there seems to be a misunderstanding.
SteveAudio @ 205
Looking for it in House rules now. It is very similar to rules in the military, preventing those in uniform from disparaging the President…
persiflage @ 210
That is precisely what is required. And nothing more.
burnspbesq @ 145
I’m especially looking forward to Mukasey folding, spindling, and mutilating David Addington.
me too.
overly optimistic theory:
what if mukasey is a crypto-good guy, a la Comey, Goldsmith, Fitz: a Rule of Law type, who was getting a little TOO out-of-the-NeoCon-closet on his day One testimony; got the word that he was blowing his cover; went back on day two and knew he had to re-confirm his taste for the kool-aid to lull the neoCons back to their comfort zones, so he would not blow his chance to sneak past the guards; get the goods on the miscreants and blow the whistle!
Nancy is a failure.
time for me to bail pups. the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods needs some spiffying up for any potential showings this weekend and since i’m the only one here not afraid of the vacuum, it is up to me to do it.
i think i remember another congress member having to apologize for something said against the president recently (within the last few months?). he apologized for what he said, and very pointedly did not apologize for what he thought.
anyone else remember this? i’m trying to remember enough to find it with the google.
Nite Suz….. I am heading off to bed too… see ya all tomorrow. Nite all
newtonusr @ 214
So perhaps he might say:
“I apologize for using a word which some might interpret as disparaging of the President. I meant to say blah blah blah bush sucks donkey dicks”
Good luck Suz.
smapdi @ 217
Not if her goal is to be spineless and ineffective…
Frankly, I would love to see Pete step to the podium and say,
newtonusr @ 190
There are ways to apologize and ways to apologize. A history told of a member of parliament who insisted that his opponent was “not fit to throw dung off an dung-heap.” When forced to apologize, he insisted that his opponent was “fit to throw dung off a dung-heap.”
I hope that Stark is equally witty.
newtonusr @ 224
Email this to Stark’s office immediately! Well said!
bonkers @ 194
That’s chickenshittery. If he doesn’t like the war, stop funding it. Don’t raise our taxes to pay for it. How does this make him a good guy? I’m missing something.
Starts here, but looking for full body of the text:
Who said this in 1998? Newt Gingrich.
bonkers @ 211
707!
I cannot find the video from the Press Correspondents Dinner, wherein Bush showed a video making cute about “not finding weapons of mass destruction”.
I wish I could find the actual video. All I can find is a takedown.
BUSH’S TWISTED JOKE ABOUT IRAQ
So if Stark refuses to apologize even though there’s a “rule,” what would happen to him? A letter of reprimand in his file? Waterboarding at the hand of Judge Mucousey? Forced to have dinner with Denny Hasturd?
bonkers @ 165
IMHO, it’s not “irrelevancy,” but rather “re-education.” Maybe he should work the fields for a few years.
In fact, he’s always going to be full of shit. The best we can hope for is a better grade of shit. And that’s why progressives have to keep on slapping him down.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 65
No, and maybe. I think they’ll support Huckabee. But I haven’t been following them all that closely.
Bob in HI
persiflage @ 201
we’ll get more qualifying at noon here tomorrow (sat.)
it will be live 10:30 AM central daylight time on sunday.
is there a conversion factor for time from planet texas to planet Australia?
this is Speed Channel we get.
envy mr. persiflage for getting to see a race.
i’ve never been.
newtonusr @ 228
That’s pretty broad. It would seem to disallow even mild criticism.
I wonder how many Repubs should have been made to apologize to WJClinton?
Sorry gang – it’s in here somewhere…
Nighters NDFG!
Under section 17 (xvii):
Loo Hoo. @ 227
I was interested in that story because he stood up to “Those Who Know Better” in the Dem Party. I took this action as similar to the draft re-instatement proposal, where they know it won’t happen, but they get to influence the public discourse, which in turn will hopefully influence some of the electorate.
One can dream, no?
Loo Hoo. @ 227
Agreed. It doesn’t make him a “good guy,” but it may be an indication of “the tides turning” when a not-so-good guy gets on board. ;-)
Night, Suz. VOOOOOMMMM.
SteveAudio @ 234
Not only that, it would seem to put the kibosh on impeachment proceedings.
And, re: “members engaging in debate must abstain from language that is personally offensive toward the president”… How in the heck can this judgment call be made? EVERY point of disagreement is personally offensive to junya.
He is such a sensitive man. Screens all audiences. Potential naysayers get thrown out, even if they have an “unsupportive” bumper sticker on their car. (I am not making that up.)
yellowdog jim @ 233
I think we’ll be seeing it live. It starts at 2pm local time, which I think is about 2am my time, which is when the TV coverage starts here. Australians are very used to staying up until undogly hours to see sport live.
You’ve never been to a race? Start saving your pennies, it’s fantastic. The sound, the feel, the lack of gibbering commentators, c’est magnifique. I’ve been to 3 GPs (2 in Adelaide, 1 in Melbourne). Mr Persi has been to 5 or 6.
wigwam @ 149
Me three. But count me skeptical after Sen. Whitehouse’s questions.
Bob in HI
Valley Girl @ 242
Sensitive to reality. There must be a name for that condition:
Veriphobia perhaps?
newtonusr @ 224
Yes! Name one funeral he has attended. Name one family he has consoled without the benefit of cameras. Name one trip to Iraq or Afghanistan to visit with the troops without the cameras present. Name one thing he has ever done in this presidency to show human compassion outside of writing signing a charitable contribution check.
Oh, thought I was doing the cross out a word thingy.
newtonusr @ 237
So, I ask you, who exactly objected to his “disorderly words”? Pelosi?
Why does Chris Matthews have his job? His ratings are mediocre on his best days, and they’ve been on a downhill slide for years. NipnTucker has never had good ratings and Glen Blech…well, if ratings were they key, he’d have trouble getting a cable access show.
TV networks constantly tinker with their shows and programming. They react very quickly to bad or good debuts. There is nothing unusual about that.
So why do we have shows like Softballs and Meet the Russert never change for many years, despite lackluster ratings. Isn’t Olberman, Jon Stewart, Colbert, etc. proof that there’s an uptapped market out there, and that market is the most desirable to advertisers?
Why do you rarely see networks make a change on an anemic show or host with a bold move like they do with other programming.
I have my theories…
newtonusr @ 228
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Yes. It surely was Newt. He was always extremely careful to avoid “language that is personally offensive toward the president, including references to various types of unethical behavior.” And Bill Clinton was ever so appreciative, as will be Hillary when her term begins.
Funny one!
There are ways to apologize and ways to apologize. A history told of a member of parliament who insisted that his opponent was “not fit to throw dung off an dung-heap.” When forced to apologize, he insisted that his opponent was “fit to throw dung off a dung-heap.”
Let’s help poor Rep. Stark out here!
I hope that Stark is equally witty.
SteveAudio @ 245
And I think Stark’s statement could have been very much stronger than his or my rewrite, and still not run afoul of the “rules”. There are terrible things a member can say without getting threatened with censure.
I love the guy and have admired him from just a few miles away. His district is a quick hop across the Bay Bridge.
persiflage @ 201
1986 Australian Grand Prix
mr. P must have been a tyke.
back then.
Valley Girl @ 248
Every Gooper.
What a stupid rule anyway. Who the hell wrote that nonsense?!? We don’t have dictators here, or at least not supposed to. We could learn a few things from the British Parliament on this issue. I love watching them grill the PM and how the PM defends him/herself!
newtonusr @ 252
Still, for its flaws, it was a refreshing statement from an otherwise too cautious and calculating Congress.
Like Dodd’s actions today, drawing a line in the sand can sometimes be very refreshing and enervating.
Valley Girl @ 248
Inquiring minds deserve to know the names of one and all who are on record objecting to his words.
Aw, shit. Gray square of death across 254-256.
Dang!
bonkers @ 231
Okay now the last option would be the most painful. Have you had a gander at that guy recently?
newtonusr @ 250
He was a founding member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
wigwam @ 250
Now, once they step outside the Capital, that’s a different thing. They can say any damned thing they want, though they are suddenly subject to civil penalties. Recall that dickhead Issa slandering Joe and Valerie while in the House hearing? Inside that building, he’s protected from civil penalties. Once outside, however, he’s just as liable for his exercise of free speech as anyone.
In this case, if he had said about any sitting President what he said about Valerie, he’s have been skinned.
bonkers @ 255
Verbal knock down drag outs. Carthartic *grins* and useful in keeping the PM on their toes. I don’t think this president has ever SEEN his entire congress in person.
bonkers @ 254
My favourite parliamentary insult here was aimed at the Government’s support for GWB and his War on Terrace (that’ what I hear when he says terrorists). The opposition member called the Government “a conga line of suckholes”. Of course, he had to withdraw it but not before it hit the headlines and entered the local lexicon.
SteveAudio @ 258
Steve – Command-plus sign…
bonkers @ 239
I see. Well, if that’s his purpose, fine. If he wants to raise taxes, he might have a bit of a problem. Cuz our votes will be to end the war instead.
Loo Hoo – btw, I’m trying like hell to free up the 2nd and the 3rd for a “little drive south”.
yellowdog jim @ 252
Ah, I thought it was ‘86. I disliked Mansell, he was such a moaner “ooo, the other driver’s got a better car than me” “boo, Piquet said something nasty about me”. When I saw that tyre explode I laughed out loud.
SteveAudio @ 257
Well, Steve, I have had no such problem. PC here.
I know the Mac folks think they are totally superior beings.
But…..
Cheez-Louis, I’m watching Bill Moyers’ Journal, a long interview with Jeremy Scahill on Blackwater.
Scary! And what’s even worse is that Prince has ties into the Clintons! George Orwell saw 20/20 once again.
Blackwater is building its own Navy, Airforce and Intelligence agency as well as security forces in New Orleans. This is like Pinkerton guards run amok.
And they call themselves “peace keepers”. Orwell is spinning in his grave.
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo. @ 259
“Denny’s” Hasturd is one disgusting human. He must’ve had to pay Jeff Gannon/Guckert a “finders fee” in addition to the normal day rate, if ya know what I mean. To think he was 3rd in line to the Presidency. Yeesh!
bobschacht @ 267
Yeah, it was a good showcase. The Free Market piece, too short, was good too.
bonkers @ 249
There has been no change on Meat, to be sure. But it seems to me there has been a change on Hardballs since Olbermann has been such a success. He still has his wingers on, but he calls them out more. And he has more progressives on and actually lets them speak a little without constant interruptions.
Valley Girl @ 266
… you can try webkit too!
persiflage @ 263
OK, that is a beauty!
Loo Hoo. @ 132
Sadly, so. Indeed, we have the best congress money can buy.
persiflage @ 263
That’s fantastic! I gotta remember that one.
Historically, America’s Congress has been very raucous. These written and unwritten “rules” of civility seem to be fairly modern for the most part, and seem to only apply to Dems. Huh, what a surprise…
newtonusr @ 264
All that seems to do is increase size of the display…?
persiflage @ 263
Heh!
newtonusr @ 264
Cripes! I thought you were mad at Newspaperbrat!
1,633 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Trex and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Rep. Stark has absolutely nuthin’ ta appoligize for and Nancy Pelosi got an earful of jest that yesterday…her staff folks musta been runnin’ fer the gin barrel by beerthirty. The hypocracy, timidity, and pathetic political incompetence of the Democratic leadership since 1994 has gotta come to an end…and I think that thanx ta Senator Dodd and some a the ego-centered primadonnas in the senate who have been waitin fer a chance ta put ol’ One Hung Harry Reid out ta the south pasture, we’ll see a change in leadership both in style and personna right quick. In the House, Stark and the senior progressive members who are also committee chairs like Waxman, Conyers, Obey and Rangle have had it with Nancy One Note and they won’t tolerate Stenny or Rahm for a New York minute.
Big things are shakin’, DC is beginnin’ ta look like the last days of Nixonstein before the tapes surfaced.
KEEP THE FAITH, THE ONLY CURE FOR AILIN’ DEMOCRACY IS MORE DEMOCRACY!@!
bobschacht @ 269
In the days of the Oklahoma City bombing, everyone in the MSM was wondering how we can stamp out the right-wing malitias. Now the Bush administration is spending our tax dollars to fund right-wing malitias beyond anything Timothy McVeigh concieved of in his wildest wet-dreams. WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING TO US?
Valley Girl @ 268
Hey! Now cut that out!! ;>)
SteveAudio @ 277
It should increase the text size in the page you are viewing, and the gray box will shift up, out of the way of the comment you want to read. Command-minus restores the text size.
newtonusr @ 266
VERY cool!
Valley Girl @ 230
video? – won’t load for me.
transcript
Loo Hoo. @ 279
Oh my, what unintended fuckery have I wrought?
SteveAudio @ 282
some swing both ways
persiflage @ 263
From one of my history teachers, I heard that a member of parliament said of Didraeli that he’d surely die of hanging or of a horrible disease. Disraeli is said to have replied: “That depends on whether I embrace your politics or your mistress.”
SteveAudio @ 282
Steve – let Valley Girl live with her PC. Next time you hear that, say this:
Got virus?
Got spyw*re?
Got worms?
Got Trojan Horses?
yellowdog jim @ 287
As do I.
Although I use the PC only for AutoCAD these days, Mac for everything else.
Of course, YMMV.
newtonusr @ 289
Indeed!
newtonusr @ 273
Then you’ll like these from former Prime Minister Paul Keating:
“He is simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up”
Paul Keating on John Howard, then Opposition leader and currently the Australian Prime Minister
“What we have got is a dead carcass, swinging in the breeze, but nobody will cut it down and replace him” (on John Howard as Oppo leader)
“I am not like the leader of the Opposition, I did not slither out of the Cabinet room like a mangy maggot.” (Also on Howard)
Recently he described Howard as a dessicated old coconut araldited (i.e. glued) to his chair.
I could have swore, a few threads back, that someone said Stark’s comments where allowed in the record.
wigwam @ 286
707!
Loo Hoo. @ 284
Please keep me in mind. Whenever, wherever, I’d like to be included. Thanks.
Loo Hoo. @ 272
Still though…why is he even on the air? It’s not like there’s some rabid fan base, or that he’s got mad skills as an interviewer. Really, if Tweety were fired, would anyone really notice? Might get a few mentions in the Entertainment sections, but not much more than that. There are some great people out there that would instantly improve that show, but never get the chance.
I think he’s there to advance the status quo narratives on the electorate, and throw just enough bones to Liberals to appear somewhat “bipartisan.” Hey, just like the Clintons!
Fortunately, another New Media rocket, Stephanie Miller, was having nothing of it!
We’ve got to send the Old Media “Congaline of Suckholes” out to pasture, and right quick! (Ooooo…I like that one)
bonkers @ 275
Don’t know about the history of raucousness in the US congress.
But, it is pretty tame compared to words exchanged in the British House of Commons (lived in UK for 10 years), and it looks like the Aussies/ Oz-ies have gone above and beyond the call of duty.
tw3k @ 293
I think that’s right. When Monday comes, however, Tauscher, who was in charge at the time, won’t be. And I would expect the Goopers will launch on the Dems.
tw3k @ 294
That history professor was a retired merchant-marine captain. There was no way in hell I’d miss any of his lectures. Damn, he was colorful.
wigwam @ 295
wigwam – if I may be so forward, where do you live?
bobschacht @ 269
I watched, but didn’t catch the Clinton connection. I agree that Blackwater is one of the most dangerous of our worries. What did you see as the Clinton connection?
Night night intrepid fdlakers – you rascals rock!
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._1019.html
newtonusr @ 296
yeah, gotta boost his google rank a bit :/
Bonkers :That’s fantastic! I gotta remember that one.
You could probably use it on a Blue Dog or two
Historically, America’s Congress has been very raucous. These written and unwritten “rules” of civility seem to be fairly modern for the most part, and seem to only apply to Dems. Huh, what a surprise…
Ours too. I’ve been looking for the story I once read about an early Parliament in Melbourne in which one member, so incensed by what someone opposite said, walked acros the chamber to the guy and peed in his ear.
selise @ 284
selise- that first link DID load for me! And that was what I was looking for. NO idea how to download and save it, tho.
bobschacht @ 269
Luckily for him, Eric Blair never had to sit through Primetime Live! with Sam Donaldson.
K, kids, that’s it for me.
kthxbai (as TRex would say)
persiflage @ 267
“moaner”.
he was.
he was widely despised.
fernando has sung those songs lately.
Schadenfreude
my favorite flavor.
even if not exactly sporting.
Loo Hoo. @ 299
Clinton used military contractors.
newspaperbrat @ 300
heh, it was a smurf poll on dKos ;)
But, it is pretty tame compared to words exchanged in the British House of Commons (lived in UK for 10 years), and it looks like the Aussies/ Oz-ies have gone above and beyond the call of duty.
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We duz our best VG.
newtonusr @ 300
A.k.a., inland empire.
newspaperbrat @ 286
Yours was the comment that got grayed out for Steve Audio on a technical difficulty. I didn’t understand what he meant and thought he didn’t like your perfectly sensible comment!
yellowdog jim @ 287
I had that problem when my HP was in the shop and had to use my daughter’s Mac. Drove me buggy.
yellowdog jim @ 307
Yes, that moment that his tyre disintegrated in an eruption of rubber, fire and shrapnel, was truly one of the most shadenfreudelicious I’ve ever had.
Valley Girl @ 305
great! well, i’ll try loading it again… maybe it only plays on a pc? if i could get it to play, i could rip you a copy.
but better yet, tw3k or one of the other techies might have an idea of how to save the original.
persiflage @ 304
OK, I’m really in the ATTACKKKK!!! camp, but that’s going too far. So if Georgia Dem Senator Golden showered in a Repube’s ear, I couldn’t support that.
wigwam @ 295
Wonderful! Save November 3rd. It’s a Saturday, and we’re planning lunch in Costa Mesa. I’ll go find the address from the previous thread. Where do you live, wigwam? This is turning into something wonderful!
1,633 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND.
Late Nite Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I wanna see the openin’ of the House of Representatives on Monday mornin’ on C-Span…if the rank and file Democrats rise up and get Stark’s back on this and if the progressive caucus has put the fear of the masses in Nancy One Note we should see some real fireworks. If Nancy Pelosi tries ta hang Stark out ta dry, I think we’re gunna see the Democrats rise up en mass. They’d better be figurin’ it out right now, by God, or this is one Norske that’s gunna go make a visit ta DC and turn some Democratic ass out inta the street!
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T TAKE ANY MORE SHIT FROM THE BASTARDS!!
NorskeFlamethrower @ 319
Oh yeah. Now we’re talking. Loud and clear! I got yer back, bro.
bonkers @ 316
Ha! Senator Golden, priceless. The incident I’m thinking of was sometime in the 1800s. No wimmens, no TV coverage. I’ll see if I can find the story.
SteveAudio @ 290
i’m more “pan-platform-al”. /s
i use both for everything, but i’m not doing industrial strength processing of big media files either.
so yeah my mileage always varies, from minute to minute.
inherited my dad’s dell: 933mhz p3
circa, windows 95.
my imac’s an 2002 g4 800 mhz
autoCAD is not in the plans.
our 8yro problem challenges the “dull” the most when he plays his online games on “grandpa’s computer”.
it handles the active x controls better and a lot of games are not available to play online on the mac, that is, they are PC only.
selise @ 316
try this linky
Okay, Wigwam, from Burnspbesq our fdl organizer:
Wahoo’s Fish Taco, 1862 Placentia Ave., Costa Mesa. Noonish. I’ll be the chubby guy wearing a 2005 ACC Tournament hat.
Take the 55 south to where it turns into Newport Boulevard. Turn right on 19th Street, then left on Placentia. It’s about two blocks down on the left.
We’ll keep in touch beforehand to make it a smooth meet-up, and everyone please keep people who comment other times of day notified. Thanks.
Loo Hoo. @ 314
I’m told that, via an application called Parallels, a modern Mac can run Windows and/or Windows application programs. The people who showed it to me were very happy with it, but I’ve not tried it myself.
persiflage @ 321
Speaking of wimmins…
I think I recently stumbled upon a Repube training video on dating.
(youtube link…and make sure there are no liquids in your mouth before watching this clip)
Loo Hoo. @ 301
According to the Moyers interview tonight, Blackwater actually got its start as a contractor for President Bill, IIRC. Currently, they also talked tonight about some connection with Hillary’s campaign that was a bit too complicated for me to remember. It may be on the campaign financing side, but I can’t be sure.
You remember Prince Erik’s insistence during the first hearings that Blackwater is non-partisan? I think he was positioning his company to do business with an anticipated President Hillary.
Another interesting detail: Blackwater initially turned up in NOLA on Prince’s own initiative, without any Federal authorization! — before any Federal law enforcement. No national guard available of course (most away in Iraq, along with all the equipment they’d need to operate in a hurricane zone). So, Prince sends in his own troops, gets “boots on the ground” for a week, and then, seeing virtually no security forces around, sez to Chertoff or Bush or Brownie, or someone, Gee, you guys need some help in NOLA? It just happens that I got 600 boots on the ground there, ready to go. So, guess what? He immediately gets a security contract that would have been entirely unnecessary if the Louisiana National Guard had been at home with its equipment.
Sicko.
Bob in HI
wigwam @ 325
Parallels
says
nice trick.
Loo Hoo. @ 324
I’ll try to be there. Which day?
Bonkers, I saw that today with Stephanie. I really just think a lot of it is familiarity. People relate to their television “friends” and don’t want too much change too quickly. Plus Chris Matthews (had to think of his real name there for a minute, so used to calling him Tweety!) is the only show that’s mainly about politics rather than news. That’s why I watch him anyway. I also enjoy the fact that he will call anyone out as being stupid, on either side. I think he’s improving. Maybe it’s just for ratings, but I don’t think so.
Maybe, too, I’m grasping at straws!
yellowdog jim @ 328
nice trick.
My only problem with it is that IMHO the Mac keyboard sucks (on their notebooks).
bobschacht @ 327
I said this one here before…
I’m Sicko Clintons.
tw3k @ 323
infinite spinning wheel… ‘loading player’
maybe it’s having trouble with my flip4mac?
Loo Hoo. @ 330
Matthews has improved a lot in the past few years. So far as I could tell, it stared when Joe Scarborough got a change of heart during Katrina. Tweety didn’t move immediately, but that seemed to make a big impression on him. Since then there has been a slow steady progression to more intelligent guests from the left, getting ever better treatment.
selise @ 332
Selise, that tw3k link also worked for me. fwiw.
bonkers @ 325
What a charmer he is! The type whose version of foreplay is to ask “Are you awake?”
Valley Girl @ 335
not me. same problem as with oringinal.
yellowdog jim @ 328
nice trick.
It (Parallels) works. There are some interesting features, including being able to run any or all the supported operating systems simultaneously, given memory. But Apple offers another way to go, and it turns out to be “less cool”, but more compliant. It’s called “Boot Camp”, and you actually partition your hard disk into separate volumes and your Windows XP Pro SP2 or Vista has its own space. Won’t run simultaneously, but all ports work, wireless performance is much better, etc.
wigwam @ 331
i don’t have a notebook, so i don’t deal with their keyboard(s).
we (tw3k and another?) were plotting how we could load mac OSX to an intel box and run OSX on a PC …
THEN we could load Parallels and …
it would be fun to play with.
persiflage @ 336
but don’t you hate if they don’t ask?
/snark
wigwam @ 331
teleport is cool if you have multiple comps.
here is a bad utube of the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJF13BS-hE
yellowdog jim @ 339
Depends on how deeply asleep I am!
yellowdog jim @ 339
Just sick! I love it!
wigwam @ 325
Yes. My daughter’s Mac is 3 or 4 years old.
wigwam @ 334
Too bad for him his ratings haven’t. Again, why would a network keep someone around for 10 years in a primetime slot, with tons of promotion, and average to below average ratings which continue to fall? I don’t think he has a following, and I bet the network would hardly get any letters if he was fired.
Olbermann, Stewart, Colbert, etc. are proven now and still rising! If these decisions were really about ad dollars, Tweety would’ve flown the coop years ago.
He offers nothing of value whatsoever.
newtonusr @ 338
FWIW, I’ve heard of people running Mac’s OS-X on PCs. It’s highly unsuppoted, in fac actively discouraged, by Apple. But some of these people say that it works quite well. (Disclaimer: I never actually seen it or talked directly with someone who has done it.)
UPDATE: Oops! I missed YellowDogJim at #339. My son claims to have a friend who has done this, and I’ve googled a few sites that claim to tell how to do it.
If that were my intent, I’d be very careful in the PC equipment that I selected. Windows has driver software for a lot of devices that Macs don’t know or care about.
persiflage @ 336
Maybe I just need to sleep, but I can’t stop laughing at that…
“Womerns Likes That.”
selise @ 333
this is the same speech
bobschacht @ 327
OMG. This is so horrible. I did not know that they were in NOLA without authorization. I remember there being private individuals there helping out, but I didn’t even realize Blackwater or any private contractors existed at the time.
bonkers @ 348
Fred “Tommy” Thompson’s base, right there.
yellowdog jim @ 339
use mol :D
wigwam @ 329
Saturday, Nov. 3rd.
wigwam @ 347
in my imagination with resources i cannot afford;
i want an intel/amd box and i want to experiment by loading osx and then running boot camp
and see how it likes parallels while were at it, since everybody’s got their own partitions?
what a fun way to waste my time.
Loo Hoo. @ 350
Just for perspective, a very wise friend of mine told me that the original public school system was established in Germany by Fredrick the Great because he had the problem of a peace-time army with nothing to do. He sagely realized that peace-time armies are a very dangerous thing. So, he put them to work teaching school. So, let’s turn Blackwater into a bunch of school marms.
tw3k @ 349
brillian!
tw3k @ 352
i love that.
it made me laugh.
i’m gonna try again to catch some zzz’s before the sun comes up.
later pups.
selise @ 358
me too.
tw3k @ 352
So, what I’d really like to do is to run OS-X on a Linux server and beam the desktop out to clients via say X-Windows or NX.
Loo Hoo. @ 350
And ISI too.
yellowdog jim @ 357
you could wine too :D
I’m off as well.
nite pups
wigwam @ 360
netboot would be another option
Night, everyone. Sweet dreams! (unlike mine last night)
tw3k @ 362
I’ve been tracking Wine for about 13 years. The progress is glacial.
There is a commercial version called Crossover Office by the folks who maintain wine. It’s very good for the major Win32 programs, e.g., MS Office.
wigwam @ 366
glacial is right! I was waiting for it for the mac but fuggetaboutit.
I really haven’t used windows much since osx came out.
Time to crash. G’nite all.
good night
Anybody up out there…I’m stuck at work fer another 2 hours
yeah
What’s up homeboy!
NorskeFlamethrower @ 370
I know you work graveyard, you still a medic?
It’s Morningtime!
*crickets*
up already!?
Bright and cheery!
how you?
sleepy now that people are starting to wake up!
Glad your bright and cheery :)
long night?
just on 16hr.
Good morning!
good morning
Loo Hoo. @ 350
Worse than that. At a time when everybody was crying about the need for security people, several carloads of Loudoun County VA sheriffs and police officers drove down, with 100% of the provisions they would need to sustain themselves, and were REFUSED ENTRANCE into New Orleans.
tw3k @ 381
oh, well it could have been longer ;)
you must be plum tuckered.
Mornin’ egregious
Elliott @ 385
yeah, caffeine bonk. I think I’ll take it instead catching the next wind :)
good night and to everyone a good day !
tw3k @ 387
good night
morning!
Good Morning! I’m not so sure if this is still America…
mornin’ you guys
I’m gloomy outside, but snug inside
U.S. Soldier Given Conscientious Objector Status For Religious Beliefs
The AP’s political coverage is often terrible, but then they make up for it in other ways:
America’s Working Poor Stretching Paychecks to the Breaking Point
These are the people who the sociopaths at the WSJ editorial page call “Lucky Duckies” because they don’t pay much income tax.
Mornin’ all!
Iran’s top nuclear negotiator resigns
Government spokesman Gholam Hossein Elham, said Saeed Jalili, a little-known deputy foreign minister for European and American affairs, was to succeed Ali Larijani as lead negotiator effective immediately.
JK Rowling says wizard Dumbledore is gay
from the nyt:
Wiretapping Compromise Was Months in the Making
By SCOTT SHANE and ERIC LICHTBLAU
holy cow! i think this means that sheldon whitehouse didn’t just vote for the entire bill – he specifically voted for telco immunity!
we’ve got to make a ton of calls on monday to 1) find out wtf is going on and 2) encourage a change of heart.
this is seriously depressing. i thought we could count on the support of whitehouse on this type of issue.
New thread up top…
newtonusr @ 169
I cut Pete Stark as much slack anyone here. He’s a Patriot and a forceful voice for Progressive issues and values.
That is an apology I don’t want to see him have to make.
Actually the President of the House (yes there is a presiding officer, and it isn’t Nancy) rules that Stark had not violated House Rules in his statement. He hadn’t made a personal attack on a fellow House member (by name). Bush isn’t in the Congress.
At the same time he likely could actually use this to make another statement that gains high profile..a pointed “Non-Apology Apology”.
He could state that he hadn’t after all accused the President of getting amusement from watching the heads of soldiers getting blown off. He accused the President of allowing this, and the killing of innocent Citizens, to continue a WAR that is his amusement.
But then he could say he was incorrect in saying that the President did this for his “amusement”. “I should have used a different word…he allows these deaths to secure some sort of historical legacy. By passing on this “unwinnable war” to the next President he believes that he can obscure the fact that he led us into this quagmire, and evade the responsibility of ending it.”
newtonusr @ 236
I can’t find where a statement against the President (other than the Presiding member of the legislative body) is rebukable. And ASFIAK the rebuke has to occur almost immediately.
No one is to speak impertinently or beside the question, superfluously or tediously. Scob. 31, 33. 2 Hats. 166, 168. Hale Parl. 133.
No person is to use indecent language against the proceedings of the House, no prior determination of which is to be reflected on by any member, unless he means to conclude with a motion to rescind it. 2 Hats. 169, 170. Rushw. P. 3. v. 1. fol. 42. But while a proposition is under consideration, is still in fieri, though it has even been reported by a committee, reflections on it are no reflections on the House. 9 Grey 508.
No person in speaking, is to mention a member then present by his name; but to describe him by his seat in the House, or who spoke last, or on the other side of the question, &c. Mem. in Hakew. 3 Smyth’s Comw. L. 2. c. 3. nor to digress from the matter to fall upon the person, Scob. 31. Hale Parl. 133. 2 Hats. 166. by speaking reviling, nipping, or unmannerly words against a particular member. Smyth’s Comw. L. 2. c. 3. The consequences of a measure may be reprobated in strong terms; but to arraign the motives of those who propose or advocate it, is a personality, and against order. Qui digreditur a materia ad personam, Mr. Speaker ought to suppress. Ord. Com. 1604. Apr. 19.
When a member shall be called to order, he shall sit down until the President shall have determined whether he is in order or not. Rule 16.
Clearly, this does NOT refer to the Presidenet of the United States, but rather the “Parliamentary President”.
No member shall speak to another, or otherwise interrupt the business of the Senate, or read any printed paper while the Journals or public papers are reading, or when any member is speaking in any debate. Rule 2.
No one is to disturb another in his speech by hissing, coughing, spitting, 6 Grey 332. Scob. 8. D’Ewes 332. col. 1. 640. col. 2. speaking or whispering to another; Scob. 6. D’Ewes. 487. col. 1. nor to stand up or interrupt him; Town. col. 205. Mem. in Hakew. 31. nor to pass between the Speaker and the speaking member, nor to go across the House; Scob. 6. or to walk up and down it, or to take books or papers from the table, or write there. 2 Hats. 171.
Nevertheless, if a member finds that it is not the inclination of the House to hear him, and that by conversation or any other noise they endeavour to drown his voice, it is his most prudent way to submit to the pleasure of the House, and sit down; for it scarcely ever happens that they are guilty of this piece of ill manners without sufficient reason, or inattentive to a member who says any thing worth their hearing. 2 Hats. 77, 78.
If repeated calls do not produce order, the Speaker may call by his name any member obstinately persisting in irregularity, whereupon the House may require the member to withdraw. He is then to be heard in exculpation, and to withdraw. Then the Speaker states the offence committed, and the House considers the degree of punishment they will inflict. 2 Hats. 167, 7, 8, 172.
For instances of assaults and affrays in the House of Commons, and the proceedings thereon, see 1. Pet. Misc. 82. 3 Grey 128. 4 Grey 328. 5 Grey 382. 6 Grey 254. 10 Grey 8. Whenever warm words, or an assault, have passed between members , the House, for the protection of their members, requires them to declare in their places not to prosecute any quarrel; 3 Grey 128, 293. 5 Grey 289. or orders them to attend the Speaker, who is to accommodate their differences and report to the House: 3 Grey 419. and they are put under restraint if they refuse, or until they do. 9 Grey 234, 312.
Disorderly words are not to be noticed till the member has finished his speech. 5 Grey 356. 6 Grey 60. Then the person objecting to them, and desiring them to be taken down by the clerk at the table, must repeat them. The Speaker then may direct the clerk to take them down in his minutes. But if he thinks them not disorderly, he delays the direction. If the call becomes pretty general, he orders the clerk to take them down, as stated by the objecting member. They are then part of his minutes, and when read to the offending member, he may deny they were his words, and the House must then decide by a question whether they are his words or not. Then the member may justify them, or explain the sense in which he used them, or apologize. If the House is satisfied, no farther proceeding is necessary. But if two members still insist to take the sense of the House, the member must withdraw, before that question is stated, and then the sense of the House is to be taken. 2 Hats. 199. 4 Grey 170. 6 Grey 59. When any member has spoken, or other business intervened after offensive words spoken, they cannot be taken notice of for censure. And this is for the common security of all, and to prevent mistakes which must happen if words are not taken down immediately. Formerly they might be taken down any time the same day. 2 Hats. 196. Mem. in Hakew. 71. 3 Grey 48. 9 Grey 514.
Disorderly words spoken in a committee must be written down as in the House; but the committee can only report them to the House for animadversion. 6 Grey 46.
The rule of the Senate says, if a member be called to order for words spoken, the exceptionable words shall be immediately taken down in writing, that the President may be better enabled to judge. Rule 17.
Once again that is the “Parliamentary President”.
In Parliament, to speak irreverently or seditiously against the king is against order. Smyth’s Comw. L. 2. c. 3. 2 Hats. 170.
But we don’t have a Parliament or King…last I checked. And there is nothing further that Jefferson’s Rules speaks on about this.
Margot @ 179
Suzanne…there are lots of concerts you can go see for around $6-10. It just won’t be bands like the Eagles…if you get involved with your local music scene you’ll find that there are lot’s of talented performers out there with a heck of a lot more going for them than the Rolling Stones (which are living off their past IMO). I live in Sacramento (largely viewed as a backwater culturally) and I can easily name 20-30 bands that simply kick my a** whenever I see them. And they are in different genres.
You simply have to take a little chance and do some research on MySpace (bands often put their music up for fans to get a taste)…and you don’t have to give up your nostalgic groups. You just allow yourself to hear groups like you did when you were young….and not fear the new.