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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1042805</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems that not only do we need to constrain corporations by changing the court ruling that conceives of them as persons, but we also need to ensure the right to strike, to prevent a company from firing someone for striking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, there’s also the plastic bag issue. Has anyone heard of progress on how we can bag groceries without choking to death on the plastic bags?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that not only do we need to constrain corporations by changing the court ruling that conceives of them as persons, but we also need to ensure the right to strike, to prevent a company from firing someone for striking.</p>
<p>Of course, there’s also the plastic bag issue. Has anyone heard of progress on how we can bag groceries without choking to death on the plastic bags?</p>
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		<title>By: muckdog</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1042224</link>
		<dc:creator>muckdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Most folks support the existing SCHIP program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most folks &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2007/20071018124906.aspx&quot;&gt;do not support expanding the SCHIP program&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“As you may know, the Democrats want to allow a family of four earning about $62,000 to qualify for the program. President Bush wants most of the increases to go to families earning less than $41,000. Whose side do you favor?”&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;When put in those terms, 52% agreed with Bush: 40% with the Democrats.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most folks support the existing SCHIP program.</p>
<p>Most folks <a href="http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2007/20071018124906.aspx">do not support expanding the SCHIP program</a>.</p>
<p><i>“As you may know, the Democrats want to allow a family of four earning about $62,000 to qualify for the program. President Bush wants most of the increases to go to families earning less than $41,000. Whose side do you favor?”</i> </p>
<p><i>When put in those terms, 52% agreed with Bush: 40% with the Democrats.</i></p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1042167</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1041070&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bay State Librul @ 11&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;How does this happen with Bush at 24%&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;24% of public support Bush, but&lt;br /&gt;
a very large percent of the Money supports him AND his agenda.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1041070"><em>Bay State Librul @ 11</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>How does this happen with Bush at 24%</p>
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<p>24% of public support Bush, but<br />
a very large percent of the Money supports him AND his agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: helen kenney</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1041854</link>
		<dc:creator>helen kenney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;how do you start a petition to make federal empoyees pay for their own healthcare, starting with the bushleague bunch?  Lou Dobbs just had a story on China trying to buy Bear Stearns. thanks to the republicans we are so far in debt, communism won. But at least comunism takes care of children. Just when i think repblicans can’t go any lower, they exceed expectations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do you start a petition to make federal empoyees pay for their own healthcare, starting with the bushleague bunch?  Lou Dobbs just had a story on China trying to buy Bear Stearns. thanks to the republicans we are so far in debt, communism won. But at least comunism takes care of children. Just when i think repblicans can’t go any lower, they exceed expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Little General</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1041842</link>
		<dc:creator>Little General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As Dr. Phil would say, “Wake up people!! It’s not about the children, it’s about government control!!”. Dependence on government means I control you, it has to stop.&lt;br /&gt;
Advance search author Little General.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank You,&lt;br /&gt;
Little General&lt;br /&gt;
Mike Ross&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Dr. Phil would say, “Wake up people!! It’s not about the children, it’s about government control!!”. Dependence on government means I control you, it has to stop.<br />
Advance search author Little General.</p>
<p>Thank You,<br />
Little General<br />
Mike Ross</p>
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		<title>By: unrelatedwaffle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1041672</link>
		<dc:creator>unrelatedwaffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All of this just makes me wonder:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why the FUCK is Hilary polling so high? Nobody I know seems to like her.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this just makes me wonder:</p>
<p>Why the FUCK is Hilary polling so high? Nobody I know seems to like her.</p>
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		<title>By: jonerik</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1041497</link>
		<dc:creator>jonerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The vote on S-CHIP proves that like the leopard, the Republican Party’s spots have never changed since Herbert Hoover ordered Gen. MacArthur to attack the bonus marchers in 1932. This vote truly defines the Rethuglican Party for the selfish, elitist, war mongering party it truly is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vote on S-CHIP proves that like the leopard, the Republican Party’s spots have never changed since Herbert Hoover ordered Gen. MacArthur to attack the bonus marchers in 1932. This vote truly defines the Rethuglican Party for the selfish, elitist, war mongering party it truly is.</p>
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		<title>By: Imavehmontah</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1041466</link>
		<dc:creator>Imavehmontah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1041198&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;brendan @ 103&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Imavehmontah:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, I need to put food on my family, not to mention keep myself “fat and comfortable.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe it’s an unfounded assumption, but I don’t think those French strikers can be fired for striking.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everyone understands your concerns.  Suicide is not the answer.  I don’t have a manual for how to make this work, just some common sense and a burning conviction that we cannot wait any longer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is what I would propose:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.  If your work is not essential to the survival of vulnerable people in your community (including your family), call in sick.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.  Make a commitment to recruiting 5 other families in your community to participate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3.  Notify your political representatives of your intention to go on strike because of the failure of politics as usual.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4.  Put of any unnecessary purchases for the time being.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5.  Travel as little as possible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If anyone else has concrete suggestions, please add them.  Maybe we can put together a manual for how to do this.  At the least, I know it won’t work without as many of us a possible prepared to bleed a little (but certainly no one should suffer excessively).  None of us can judge what that means to our neighbor, and we must be prepared to help each other out to get through this.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Internet is a double edged sword here.  It allows the communication that might make this work.  We can’t allow it to just be a safety valve where we all come to blow off steam…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1041198"><em>brendan @ 103</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Imavehmontah:</p>
<p>Sorry, I need to put food on my family, not to mention keep myself “fat and comfortable.”</p>
<p>Maybe it’s an unfounded assumption, but I don’t think those French strikers can be fired for striking.</p>
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<p>Everyone understands your concerns.  Suicide is not the answer.  I don’t have a manual for how to make this work, just some common sense and a burning conviction that we cannot wait any longer.</p>
<p>Here is what I would propose:</p>
<p>1.  If your work is not essential to the survival of vulnerable people in your community (including your family), call in sick.</p>
<p>2.  Make a commitment to recruiting 5 other families in your community to participate.</p>
<p>3.  Notify your political representatives of your intention to go on strike because of the failure of politics as usual.</p>
<p>4.  Put of any unnecessary purchases for the time being.</p>
<p>5.  Travel as little as possible.</p>
<p>If anyone else has concrete suggestions, please add them.  Maybe we can put together a manual for how to do this.  At the least, I know it won’t work without as many of us a possible prepared to bleed a little (but certainly no one should suffer excessively).  None of us can judge what that means to our neighbor, and we must be prepared to help each other out to get through this.  </p>
<p>The Internet is a double edged sword here.  It allows the communication that might make this work.  We can’t allow it to just be a safety valve where we all come to blow off steam…..</p>
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		<title>By: burnspbesq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1041387</link>
		<dc:creator>burnspbesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1041139&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;DefendOurConstitution @ 73&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I just don’t get it.  The Democrats are negotiating a FISA bill that is esentially capitulating to Bush without any concessions for Democrats (let alone Americans).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the Democratic leadership had any scruples and cojones they would say:  Fine, veto SCHIP and we will not pass FISA (expecially with immunity for law-breakers), finish defense authorization bill, or take up any more war funding untiul SCHIP, stem cell research, Habeas Corpus restoration, etc.  Alternatively, they could attach SCHIP (Habeas and stem cells as well) to any war funding bill and make Bush veto that (so what if they are not germain, the Republicans never cared about that).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the Democrats to continue willing to put up with attrocities such as SCHIP with the hopes that it will translate into 2008 victories in Congress and presidency is cynical and disingenuous (after all the Democrats can always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory).  Carpe Diem Democrats - no time to wait to save our Country.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Reid and Pelosi had enough gumption to simply say to Bush, “You don’t want to deal with us?  Fine.  We’re going home.  This session of Congress is over.  See you in January.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1041139"><em>DefendOurConstitution @ 73</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I just don’t get it.  The Democrats are negotiating a FISA bill that is esentially capitulating to Bush without any concessions for Democrats (let alone Americans).</p>
<p>If the Democratic leadership had any scruples and cojones they would say:  Fine, veto SCHIP and we will not pass FISA (expecially with immunity for law-breakers), finish defense authorization bill, or take up any more war funding untiul SCHIP, stem cell research, Habeas Corpus restoration, etc.  Alternatively, they could attach SCHIP (Habeas and stem cells as well) to any war funding bill and make Bush veto that (so what if they are not germain, the Republicans never cared about that).</p>
<p>For the Democrats to continue willing to put up with attrocities such as SCHIP with the hopes that it will translate into 2008 victories in Congress and presidency is cynical and disingenuous (after all the Democrats can always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory).  Carpe Diem Democrats &#8211; no time to wait to save our Country.</p>
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<p>Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Reid and Pelosi had enough gumption to simply say to Bush, “You don’t want to deal with us?  Fine.  We’re going home.  This session of Congress is over.  See you in January.”</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/18/schip-veto-override-fails/#comment-1041360</link>
		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been calling for general strikes for months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I also think that it will take a real shock for anything to change.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But we need to grab the opportunity and and not let the right take more from the people as they have been with every shock.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need to struggle and to fight, but we are essentially pissing into the wind with the way it’s set up in the belt way and with their media whores.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been calling for general strikes for months.</p>
<p>And I also think that it will take a real shock for anything to change.</p>
<p>But we need to grab the opportunity and and not let the right take more from the people as they have been with every shock.</p>
<p>We need to struggle and to fight, but we are essentially pissing into the wind with the way it’s set up in the belt way and with their media whores.</p>
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