Just in time for Firedoglake’s live chat with Paul Krugman on Saturday, one of our staff, Payson Schwin, read Krugman’s new book. Payson points out how the nation’s best-loved progressive economist sees strong unions as critical to America’s health—and how he believes new labor laws are needed to strengthen unions.
Last week, The Wall Street Journal reported the “richest Americans’ share of national income has hit a postwar record,” and “the rich last had this high a share of total income in the 1920s.” The report is the latest evidence of the consistently widening income gap between America’s super-rich and working poor.
With impeccable timing, economist Paul Krugman leaps into the debate with The Conscience of a Liberal, a necessary book describing the causes of, and possible solutions to, today’s growing income inequality.
And in the book, Krugman rightly argues that “revitalizing unions should be a key progressive goal” because a strengthened labor movement will lead to greater economic fairness.
Krugman describes the political and economic reasons behind the “current disconnect between overall economic growth and the fortunes of typical Americans,” or what he calls the “new Gilded Age.” And he has advice for what the new progressive majority in Congress should do with their newfound power:
My answer is that it should, for the nation’s sake, pursue an unabashedly liberal program of expanding the social safety net and reducing inequality—a new New Deal. The starting point for that program, the twenty-first-century equivalent of Social Security, should be universal health care, something every other advanced country already has.
Krugman, a Princeton economics professor and winner of the John Bates Clark Medal, separates the three eras of income inequality in the United States—the “Long Gilded Age” (the period from the 1870s until the New Deal policies of the 1930s), the “Great Compression” (the 1940s and 1950s) and the “Great Divergence” (the 1970s to modern day).
Central to Krugman’s analysis is the connection between the relative strength of the labor movement and levels of inequality.
The high inequality of the Long Gilded Age, he argues, “partly reflected the weak bargaining position of labor”:
For most of the era, large employers were free to set wages and working conditions based on whatever the job market would bear, with little fear of organized opposition. [19]
But as more and more workers joined unions in the 1930s and 1940s, the middle class grew. And, Krugman points out, “if there’s a single reason blue-collar workers did so much better in the fifties than they had in the twenties, it was the rise of unions.” Membership soared during this time:
At the end of the twenties, the American union movement was in retreat.… But under the New Deal, unions surged in both membership and power. Union membership tripled from 1933 to 1938, then nearly doubled again by 1947. [49]
Increased union membership meant more workers moved into the middle class:
[E]verything we know about unions says that their new power was a major factor in the creation of a middle-class society.… [T]he known effects of unions on wages are exactly what we see in the Great Compression: a rise in the wages of blue-collar workers compared with managers and professionals, and a narrowing of wage differentials among blue-collar workers themselves. [51]
Not only were blue-collar workers earning more, but unions “acted as a restraint on the incomes of both management and stockholders.”
During the period following the Great Compression, the 1950s and 1960s, unions continued to thrive because “labor laws were interpreted and enforced in a way that favored unions.” “And there was often direct political pressure on large companies and top executives who were seen as stepping over the line,” Krugman argues.
Today, that’s no longer the case because the “decline of the unions has removed that moderating influence” on income inequality.
Krugman gets to the reasons why lower percentages of working men and women joined unions in the late 20th century:
Business interests, which seemed to have reached an accommodation with the labor movement in the 1960s, went on the offensive against unions beginning in the 1970s. And we’re not talking about gentle persuasion, we’re talking about hardball tactics, often including the illegal firing of workers who tried to organize or supported union activity. During the late seventies and early eighties at least one in every twenty workers who voted for a union was illegally fired; some estimates put the number as high as one in eight. [150]
But The Conscience of a Liberal isn’t all doom and gloom for working families. The book also offers a blueprint for turning things around.
Krugman reminds us the “2006 election wasn’t an aberration…the U.S. public is actually ready for something different—a new politics of equality.” He calls on politicians within the new governing majority to “seize the opportunity” and foster a “union resurgence”:
Specific legislation, such as the Employee Free Choice Act, which would reduce the ability of employers to intimidate workers into rejecting a union, is only part of what’s needed. It’s also crucial to enforce labor laws already on the books. Much if not most of the antiunion activities that led to the sharp decline in American unionization was illegal even under existing law. But employers judged, correctly, that they could get away with it. [263]
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Hey there, Tula!
Hey Tula!
Steve-AR @ 1
I’m 2…*g*
If the economy is slowing, the solution is obvious. Let’s have an additional war.
Accept for the moment HRC gets to be president. Do you really think the DLC Democrats are going to be union friendly?
Tula,
thought you might find this interesting. column from today’s Boston Globe on how Clear Channel broke a union.
If this special book salon is on Sat., what time will it be?
Under the Republicans and the DLC, NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, THIRD WAY, outsourcing Democrats, unions don’t have a prayer.
Mukasey saying that meetings like those suggested by the White House not under oath with no transcript would be more frank. This is BS.
The people that run the Democratic Party today are far from liberal.
Bravo! As a fourth generation union man (though admittedly belonging to a candy ass faculty union which is scared of its own shadow), I applaud this post. It also confirms my opinion that Krugman is one of the most intelligent and and insightful public intellectuals we have. Strong unions are central to the good health of our economy and our nation. We also need to push for legislation mandating fair trade and penalizing the offshoring of corporate assetts, in order to prevent corporations from simply moving their businesses to the third world where they operate free from regulation.
Hugh @ 9
That’s for sure.
It’s time to build new political parties.
Unions are a logical counterweight to corporate lobbies.
On Congressional oversight, Mukasey agrees its important but dodges on any specifics where he would cooperate with it.
Hugh @ 9
His nomination should be rejected on that note alone.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 10
They have been coopted by the money party, the same as the Republicans. The major difference today is between marginally sane corporatists (Clinton) and stark raving loony toons fascists (Giuliani). We need to tak back the Democratic party and return it to the people. Fortunately, there are people in power in the party who understand this (Edwards, Dean, and a few others). The unfortunate reality is that given the current structure of the American political system, a third party has little or no chance of making any inroads. Until we can reform campaign financing and impose evenly distributed free TV time for all officially registered candidates, this will remain the case.
Specter raises the question of the Combat Status Review Tribunals which Mukasey said he supported yesterday. Mukasey says he will look at it. Specter then changes tack and licks Mukasey’s boots.
How many in the Democratic ‘leadership’ came out yesterday and screamed on the heels of the Bush insinuation on WW III? If we have another war, which could lead to “the big war”, whose going to care about unions or for that matter anything else? The impression is we need to prioritize.
Hugh @ 18
it’s unpleasant
I love Krugman and I certainly agree that we need a renewed, revitalized labor movement in the U.S. That’s certainly a key component of what we need to do.
But that’s not a panacea, we definitely need a multi-pronged approach.
I just wish our congressional Dems understood the political realities in America, not just what they are fed by inside-the-beltway consultants.
Look at Montana! You don’t win Red states by being overly cautious and sucking up to big business like the DLC keeps claiming. You win by economic populism!
My own congressman, Joe Donnelly, won because people wanted Democrats to stand up to Bush. But he doesn’t seem to realize what his mission is. He capitulates as much any any Dem in congress. Okay, ALMOST any Dem in congress, he at least voted to override the SCHIP veto.
Leahy says Mukasey’s answers have been “careful”. Translation: evasive. But then says he prefers that to “I don’t know”. I see far less difference between the two than Leahy.
Shorter Mukasey?: “I’m not dumb enough to TELL you what I’m actually going to do.”
Public financing of campaigns is the asnwer to decent government. But ask yourself who are the lobbyists.? Who make the laws? And who enforce the laws.
Leahy reminds Mukasey that he has said that he will review the opinions of the OLC (that produced things like the Yoo and Bybee memos). Mukasey says he will and that he will change those he disagrees with. Leahy says and if he doesn’t change them that means he agrees with them. Mukasey says yes. How will Leahy know since several of these opinions remain secret? Why didn’t he ask Mukasey if he will share those opinions with the committee.
Hugh @ 18
Are you suprised? I have to put up with that idiot as he represents the state I live in. I don’t know who will run against Specter in 2010. If no one else good runs, I’ll nominate Atrios.
It’s felt there are two options for working men and women. Build more political parties and/or institute public financing of elections.
hey, CSPAN is supposedly broadcasting (online) the latest circle jer… I mean GOP presidential debate live, but I’m getting shutdown every time I try to get in – anyone else having better luck?
Where I live in FL, unions are considered by many in my acquaintance to be fronts for the Mob. I wonder…JE Hoover denied the existence of the Mob until the 60’s…I wonder if the mob was allowed to infiltrate and takeover unions in order to discredit the unions?
Tinfoil-hattery, I know…but if you want to destroy the unions, why not?
From Dodds site
Thanks for Your Calls
posted by Matt Browner-Hamlin, Campaign Blogger on October 18, 2007 – 1:41pm
Many blogs have posted requests for their readers to call our campaign headquarters today and ask Senator Dodd to take action to block FISA legislation that includes amnesty for telecommunications companies who have enabled the President’s assault on the Constitution by providing personal information on their customers without judicial authorization.
We care deeply about this issue here at the Dodd campaign and we greatly appreciate your calls. If you have called and have been directed to voice mail or to a voice mail box that is full, we apologize for not being able to speak directly to you. The call volume has been very high and it is clear that people around the country care deeply about honoring the rule of law and civil liberties.
I’ll keep you posted on any updates to this — Senator Dodd and his staff are looking at what legislative options are available to him.
http://chrisdodd.com/blog/than…..ment-38147
I am a 39 year straight ticket Demo voter. And I am quite frankly sick to death of my party.
Mukasey is telling them what they want to hear, not what he really thinks. I jumped on a friend last night who was saying that Mukasey is going to be okay – he said the same thing about Roberts when he was being questioned for the Court.
I wish the Dems in Congress had more guts as well as more spine. Right now, doormats are more useful than they are.
Leahy isnt too pleased with Mukasey today
What about “right to work” and the NLRB?
Leahy says that Mukasey has backtracked from supposed positions he outlined yesterday. I don’t think Leahy was listening closely yesterday. Mukasey was very evasive and legalistic on a lot of issues. Leahy meandering but is basically saying he will work with Mukasey.
BREAKING! Dodd is going to put a hold on the FISA bill. TPM has the scoop!. We did it and Dodd is standing up!
Attack on the PSEA: Pa. lawmakers seek teacher-strike ban
Great news: Dodd placing hold! From TPM: here.(text).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
Good questions. I hope this post generates some fodder for the FDL Krugman live chat on Sat.
Praedor, I owe ya a coke.
I agree with Krugman that we need a ‘New Deal”, unfortunately, at the present time Corporate America has all the politicians in their back pocket.
Combine that with bat shit crazy republicans who will do anything in their power( Read: lie, cheat, steal, break rules, etc) to stymie any sort of Progressive legislation and we have a serious problem doing anything.
I also agree that unions need a big comeback. We might see an increase in membership as healthcare becomes just as important as wages, which should be sometime next Tuesday at this rate.
Praedor Atrebates @ 36
Have we finally found a Democrat with a backbone?
Laura Doty @ 37
w00t!
Hugh @ 35
I’d like to see a little pride, perhaps even righteous indignation and commitment to the law of the land shown by Leahy and others.
I recognize they think they’re between a rock and a hard place anticipating that if they don’t take this guy they’ll wind up with something worse. But Crimony! What’s it gonna take to get the rule of law restored?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
sorry OKK, this is just wrong…
unions didn’t get come into being because those in political power gave them the right to organize. people exercised their rights and defended them – even to the point of death. please do not ignore the history of union movements.
Laura Doty @ 38
OK. He’s got my vote—
unless he does something stupid along the way.
The Mukasey hearings in recess because of votes on the floor. Mukasey has finished his testimony. What comes next are some panels. They mentioned 3:45 ET as the start time.
1,630 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Tula and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Great post…Krugman’s analysis is soooo timely especially in light of what we now know thanx to Naomi Klein, that the consolidation of corporate control of our society is based on the imposition of permanent “minority” governance. Today’s failure to override the SCHIP veto, provides proof that the political economy is now structured to reflect only the interests of the monied class thru the corporation. We have a window of only 18 months to enfranchise counterweights to the corporation in our political machinery and that can be done only through a progressive majority in the congress… the ascension of Mrs. Clinton to the White House would be worse than ANY of the current Republifascist candidates if the existing structure of leadership in the Democratic Party is maintained. Clinton would solidify the imbalance of fascists in the judicial system and future American labor law would be written in the boardrooms of the largest corporations and by folks like Rupert Murdock.
Make no mistake about it, if we are to re-balance our politics and keep faith with our history we must win the battle that Howard Dean is wagin’ and elect enough progressives and new PROGRESSIVE congress critters to force Clinton to the left.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BATTLE IS GOIN’ ON OUT OF OUR SIGHT!!
Hugh @ 35
and at this moment the house judiciary and foreign affairs committees are holding a joint hearing on the rendition and torture of maher arar.
the contrast could not be more stark.
OT,
Senator Dodd has announced he’ll put a hold on the FISA bill.
RevDeb @ 7
It’s the same time, just a different day.
tw3k @ 14
The way globalization is currently operating, and the role that the US is playing in it, have vitiated the power of Americans to unionize. Two things (not necessarily mutually exclusive): reconfigure globalization and/or reconfigure unions. Either way, the paradigm has to shift.
snowbird42 @ 33
Yesterday, Mukasey sat there and insisted that “we do not torture, because that’s not what this nation is about.” At that point Leahy should have ordered him to leave and slapped a contempt and/or perjury charge on him.
Mukasey is thoroughly imbued with the Beltway hypocricy and to treat him with respect is to validate that hypocricy. The emperor is butt naked and anybody who sees clothes on him ought to be locked up.
Praedor Atrebates @ 36
Whooohoooo! Excellent!
selise @ 45
Joe Hill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
selise @ 45
I’m not talking about the history of unions. I stand by what I have written.
I understand the history of unions. I come from a long line of blue collar union types. If you are talking about taking it to the streets on behalf of union organizers, I like Harry Bridges among many others. I suppose you could call Mr. Bridges a hero of mine.
Ya know,the reason the members of Congress don’t give a rat’s ass about us is kinda simple really.
So what if they lose their jobs on Capitol Hill in the next election? Not a one of them will suffer a wit,they’ve all got cushy gigs and big savings accounts and disposable incomes that won’t be effected at ALL if they no longer work in DC.
We keep electing fucking millionaires and think they’ll somehow find a conscience.
Praedor Atrebates @ 36
Well, zippity-doo-dah!
selise @ 45
You’ve both got a point. OKk is way more pissed about what went down this morning than some of us, and he’s cracking away at the ossified structure that has become the white men and women of the Democratic Party leadership. But, once again, there has NEVER, in the past 75 years, been a better opportunity than right now for progressives to take over the Democratic Party, through state legislatures and the U.S. Congress. And, there won’t be an opportunity like this coming around again anytime soon.
The third party solution from the left will only fail, causing even more hatred than you see coming from mainline Dems against the Greens. The U.S. Greens, after all, were reacting against this very same sort of thing, when they began coalescing 20 years ago.
Praedor Atrebates @ 36
Reward good behavior: Dodd’s ActBlue link
Phoenix Woman @ 54
Oh, damn. Now I have to put up or shut up. Besides thanking him at 202-737-3633 I’m going to have to “thank” him. Got a link?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
OKK, I can tell you that businesses LOVE “right to work” states and hate states like New York which are not.
I used to work in Economic Development and I can tell you definitely that when companies go to consultants to find them new sites to do expansions and new plants, etc., the first question on the check list is: Is this site located in a state which is “right to work”?
If “yes” it gets to go to the “short list” – if “no” – it goes straight into the trash.
Laura Doty @ 38
That’s great news, but it makes me wonder about things like the MCA. I seem to just now be learning that any Democratic senator could have stopped that monstrosity simply be sending a letter of objection to Bill Frist. Right? If so, why didn’t they? And why do people bother with filibusters if it is that easy to stop bad legislation?
I’m very confused.
Phoenix Woman @ 60
I’m tempted, even after dissing him earlier today….
Praedor Atrebates @ 36
Anyone want to have him on here and do a fundraiser for him?
What a guy!!
brendan @ 61
Yeah, me too. Just coughed up $50. First, go here to sign on in support and pass the word, then from there will come a link allowing you to contribute.
wigwam @ 63
Because Dodd is at odds with his party.
Question answered @60.
selise @ 45
Hear! Hear! Those rights were very hard won.
OT with Dodd. Called his office in DC, with some difficulty in getting through. Suggest the pups do same and hope that Harry, Nancy, and John Conyers are paying attention to the volume of support calls. Oh, and a donation might be nice too.
Just got Dodd’s e-mail. He just earned a quick $50 from me. Anybody else?
Yeah, send the email too. There’s a link on dkos.
Biodun @ 51
Interesting point. Maybe Free Unions? Use a globalization model for unions?
This Dodd hold is a twofer, as it will create a lot of “bad press” for “soft on terrorism” Democrats.
brendan:
I left you a comment about the French in the last thread…
RevDeb @ 70
and perhaps its time to add him to Blue America??????
Biodun:
I saw that, thanks.
RevDeb @ 71
Yep, Rev – I threw some money in the hat for him as well.
Dodd!
Dig into your pockets. Give ’til it hurts. Were you going out to dinner tonight? Stay home and give the money to Chris. To the movies? Give Chris $20. Let him know how you feel.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
my point is only that we (and unions) have a prayer and more to effect change… and i think history teaches us that even with the worst political leaders – the true power resides with the people.
The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) and the United States Senate have recently delivered a “one-two” punch to organized labor. The first set back for unions was a pro-employer decision by the NLRB that may discourage the use of “salts” by labor unions to infiltrate and organize workers. In 1995, the Supreme Court ruled that an employer cannot reject an applicant solely because he or she is a “salt” encouraged or paid by a union to seek employment for the purpose of organizing the workforce. If an employer was found guilty of discriminating against the “salt,” the NLRB calculated an employer’s back pay liability from the date the salt was rejected until the NLRB issued a final ruling.
The Board recently rejected this approach and determined that any back pay calculation should assume the salt was seeking employment for a specific purpose with a limited duration. Instead of requiring an employer to prove the rejected applicant was not seeking indefinite employment, the NLRB concluded that the union and the salt “are in the best position” to prove how long the applicant would have worked.
Union organizing efforts suffered a second setback with the Senate’s recent vote on the Employee Free Choice Act (“card check” bill). Organized labor’s top legislative priority was designed to grant a union bargaining rights, without a secret ballot election, if a majority of employees signed union cards. The legislation passed the House 241-185 in March, but labor’s supporters could garner only 51 votes in the Senate on a vote for cloture (which requires 60 votes), thereby preventing the bill from moving to the Senate floor for an up-or-down vote.
Although President Bush had promised to veto the Employee Free Choice Act, the bill’s ultimate fate is uncertain because the leading Democratic candidates for President support the legislation. Stay tuned for organized labor’s inevitable annual push to change the union organizing process to the detriment of employees and their employers.
RevDeb @ 71
$50 from me too
Phoenix Woman @ 59
Dodd page as well.
Feels good to finally get something on our side!!
RevDeb @ 70
I’m in.
wigwam @ 63
Is there anyone among us who is an expert on congressional parliamentary procedure? I asked this on another thread and got no response. I was not aware a senator could put a hold on legislation (I knew that could happen on an appointment), but if we knew more ins and outs of what could be done, we could zero in on what we ask of the elected ones. Also, I am now puzzled that none of the other candidates for president (Obama, Clinton, Biden) did not do this.
In order to fight this and other bad legislation, we need to be informed – I would appreciate references or links so that I can study these possibilities.
Thanks to all of you… Jane for president!
I think we need another round of that haka from The All Blacks in celebration.
Nuthin’ like a good haka to get the blood up.
korean politcal humour
I hate arriving all dressed up for a party and finding out I was at the wrong address…talking to my “sef” downstairs!!! Heh.
LS @ 88
heh, h8 that!
Unions and organizers must become more activist. The Democratic Party is no longer the labor party. Take it to the streets if necesssary.
Bush has appointed an opponent of family planning to head the federal agency in charge of family planning.
Marilyn In Texas @ 86
Obama put a hold on van Spakovsky.
RevDeb @ 71
Love the way you lead by doing RevDeb and just matched your Dodd donation. A sure fire blues chaser on this otherwise creepy day in DC. ;~)
Eureka Springs @ 91
Bush has faith in the government!
FINALLY someone shows some real leadership
THANK YOU Senator Dodd.
Check out Cindy Sheehan’s article “The Fix”:
http://www.informationclearing…..e18578.htm
Is HRC a friend of labor?
Phoenix Woman @ 60
Just sent him $50 and a $5 tip to ActBlue
Further to OKK’s point in 81:
LS @ 96
Ah, yeah, isn’t this dirty bomber false flag week?
I’m an Edwards fan, but dang if Chris Dodd isn’t making a strong case for deserving to be in the White House right now.
From his e-mail to his list this afternoon:
Reward good behavior, if you’re so inclined.
I have been reading lately that “protectionism” may soon be back in vogue. Is this good for the American working mom’s and dad’s?
tw3k @ 95
Does she need to be confirmed by the Senate? Somebody put a hold on her!
Hugh @ 25
Is Mukasey on drugs. He shows no emotion,
and is yessing the Senators to death. How many times have the Dems been sidewacked. Can’t Mukasey define torture?
Phoenix Woman @ 101
With a platform like that he has my vote!
Your papers please:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..7011.shtml
“Illegal immigration is causing economic hardship and lawlessness in this county,” Mr. Stirrup wrote in his original resolution.
The final measure would improve cooperation with the federal immigration authorities and direct the police to check the immigration status of anyone accused of breaking the law if the officer suspects that person is an illegal immigrant.”
I just emailed in my contribution to Dodd.
Eureka Springs @ 92
“Orr, who considers contraceptives part of the “culture of death,” will be responsible for “HHS’s $283 million reproductive-health program, a $30 million program that encourages abstinence among teenagers, and HHS’s Office of Population Affairs, which funds birth control, pregnancy tests, counseling, and screenings for sexually transmitted diseases and HIV.”
Well, let’s see now…perhaps I should get an Rx for The Pill right now and start hoarding them because it sounds as if contraception is going to be on the “no fly” list pretty soon if she gets herself appointed.
I’ve got three kids in their prime hormone years and I’ve got to tell you, this lady scares the tar out of me.
Re: Dodd:
Glad he’s doing this. But I’m sticking with Edwards…
Want to improve the lot of labor and their families? Stop the war. Increase taxes. Put the war savings into jobs in the infrastructure, health care, environmental protection and education. 12 billion dollars per month for war is not acceptable.
Sam Brownback quits race. Onward and upward!
newspaperbrat @ 111
w00t!
I like Dodd. And he would make a good president I think. And I really like the labor roots of John Edwards.
Uh..Oh…per MSNBC pundit…Rick Perry may be trying to get on the ticket.
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Holy Shit Alvin Senator Dodd is going to put a hold on the FISA bill. Great news…who would have thought that any of the Democrats were listening. Dodd makes his move based on integrity and congressional oversight.
LS @ 115
Molly Ivins must be looking down and just chuckling…..
Oklahoma kiddo @ 98
The unions who have endorsed her think she is…
Eureka Springs @ 85
Same here.
LS @ 115
NO more Texans!
Workers unite! This is not a difficult concept.
Donation to Dodd, because of this. If one of the other candidates actually does something like this, they might get money also. (I can’t see Hillary or Obama actually doing something like this, though.)
Kathleen @ 116
What? A Democrat exercising his power? Wonders never cease.
A huge nightmare….Ghouliani/Perry:
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor…..23687.html
JF @ 120
No More Bushes!!
Which ticket is Perry trying to join? The last I heard, he was going to endorse Rudy the crossdressing adulterer (which ought to go over really well in TX).
Defense Industry Embraces Democrats, Hillary By Far The Favorite
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..68927.html
New post upstairs!
LS @ 97
Cindy still committed. Thank you Cindy
Toby Wollin @ 117
Just got Molly chills. Oh help us Mother Molly help us from the other side sister
Strange how ideas converge when the time is right. Paul and I shared an office back in the day, and a week together in my Paris apartment when he was there for a conference. I have been reading Robert Nelson’s Economics as Religion (2002,) and after I completed the section on the Chicago school libertarians, it occurred to me that the only practical outcome of that work was creating an intellectual framework for destroying the union movement. That’s why it got so much support from business interests otherwise little interested in de-regulation. I have been pushing this line with colleagues for about a week (I only got through the material last week). Good to see Paul K is on the same wave length. I think he’s right.
On the same topic, the support of the union movement was probably the main reason why the reactionary republicans of his day treated FDR as a class traitor. It always was about the union movement.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
Hell Hillary made them a great deal of money voting yes for the 2002 war resolution. With her yes vote for the Kyl Lieberman amendment she was lining profits for defense $$$$ for a pre-emtive strike on Iran. You can bet your ass that profits are way up from sales and defense deals in the middle east.
1,630 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizens Tula, oklahomakiddo and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I jest dropped $50 (we can’t afford) on the good Senator Dodd…I think that this move and (hopefully, maybe) a threat to “hold” the Mukasey nomination could serve to use his visibility in the Senate to stake out the huge progressive space among the candidates. If he ken stick to his guns and come out in front on labor issues and legislation he ken at least force Mrs. Clinton to move away from the friendly confines of Rupert Murdock, MBNA and big oil.
Oklahomakiddo: I gotcher back, brother kiddo, as a third generation union person I am quite aware that to create space in our politics for workin’ folks’ issues means to take it to the street. The same is true of any anti-war efforts. We absolutely need to provide the generals in this fight for a “peoples politics” with the “boots on the ground”…that means hittin the streets in demonstrations aimed at DEMOCRATS on behalf of labor and the anti-war forces. Make no mistake, folks like Howard Dean and Chris Dodd represent what could become a “general staff” for the progressive army in its battle for control of the Democratic Party.
Don’t give up the fight to put the “Democrat” back in your Democratic Party…just give ‘em a kick in the ass instead!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, NOW WE’RE GETTIN’ DOWN TO THE NITTY-GRITTY!!
Panels now on the Mukasey nomination now up on CSPAN 3.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 98
Probably not.
“We represent management in all forms of state and federal litigation involving claims under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act, the American with Disabilities Act, and the Family and Medical Leave Act. We practice before governmental agencies, including, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the National Labor Relations Board, the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs, the Mine and Safety Health Administration, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and other Department of Labor agencies. We also advise clients on union avoidance, organizing campaigns and union representation elections.”
http://www.roselawfirm.com/practice/management.asp
That was then, this is now?
Why is this guy on her team?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..121023/721
OK, what about her own self?
“It is deeply troubling, but, perhaps, very revealing, when a Democratic candidate for the Presidency of the United States seeks the support of one of the most important industrial labor unions in the nation but refuses to answer questions from the rank and file union members.
That’s what happened today when U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton addressed the United Steelworkers conference in Cleveland. Not only did she not participate in the question-and-answer portion of the program to which all of the Presidential candidates had agreed, but she also completely ignored one of the major issues that has forced millions of union workers and others into unemployment: the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).”
http://www.democrats.org/page/community/tag/NAFTA
Hillary is a powerful candidate, and a damn fine Democratic senator from NY.
Progressive? Not so you can tell it.
A new New Deal? Reminds me of this:
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.”
“A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.”
“From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.”
“During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage”
NorskeFlamethrower @ 48
We’ve been focusing on the behavior of Bush, but I think you’ve noted something very interesting. Here is the same influence being reflected in Congress in a new accentuated way.
Yep, we need to really take over Congress with Progressive Dems or we’ll remain in the political minority forever.
BTW, if a corporation was recognized as a person because it was once property, just as a slave was once a property, then why can’t I make my computer into a person? It’s property and has as much intelligence as a bush.
Biodun @ 118
Easily said, but is it true?
Isn’t it as likely they just want to jump on the winning bandwagon?
Somebody ought to poll the membership!
Kathleen @ 132
So, why should any union members support her? Are they also happy to be war profiteering? Are they Vichy Dems or are they just trying to get in good with the candidate they feel certain will win?
If they understand unions and standing together then maybe they’d think twice before supporting the corporate candidate.
Maybe, just maybe, the unions should stand together.
Thank goodness the so-called “Employee Free Choice Act” was stopped in Congress.
The personal decision to want union representation is one of the most important choices a craft professional makes.
The National Labor Relations Board allows employees to use a secret, confidential ballot to determine whether they want union representation. This is to ensure the election is free of employer and union coercion.
However, the misnamed “Employee Free Choice Act” would create a system subject to intimidation and abuse. In a “card check” campaign union officials start by gathering authorization cards signed by workers expressing their desire for the union to represent them. But these “card checks” require employees to cast their votes in front of union organizers and fellow employees who support unionization. This provides a less accurate reflection of what employees actually want than does a secret ballot election.
All workers, in every industry, deserve the fundamental American right to a federally supervised private-ballot election — the same procedure used to elect politicians to public office.