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		<title>By: Beth Wellington</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039850</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After coming back from the Dalai Lama, the Republicans used the threat of a motion to recommit to stall the RESTORE Act and&lt;br /&gt;
Dems ajourned halfway through the alloted discussion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The language to be added would say that the Act cannot in any way prevent intelligence agencies from tracking Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda or conversations between other foreign terrorist entities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Returning the legislation for committee review would take about nine days.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Repubs who to make it hard for any member to vote against.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Steny Hoyer says they will work through it, whatever that means.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15377328&quot;&gt;http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....d=15377328&lt;/a&gt; plus the stories at Voice of America and FOX.  (No, I’m not linking to them.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After coming back from the Dalai Lama, the Republicans used the threat of a motion to recommit to stall the RESTORE Act and<br />
Dems ajourned halfway through the alloted discussion.</p>
<p>The language to be added would say that the Act cannot in any way prevent intelligence agencies from tracking Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda or conversations between other foreign terrorist entities.</p>
<p>Returning the legislation for committee review would take about nine days.</p>
<p>The Repubs who to make it hard for any member to vote against.</p>
<p>Steny Hoyer says they will work through it, whatever that means.</p>
<p>See:  <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15377328">http://www.npr.org/templates/s&#8230;..d=15377328</a> plus the stories at Voice of America and FOX.  (No, I’m not linking to them.)</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039687</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1039013&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 144&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1038985&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 135&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Although Senator Clinton is not my first choice, I think you do underestimate her. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not really.  Just not overly impressed. … Triangulation is I believe another character issue. …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have a feel for where Gore draws those lines but with Hillary we have none.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of the lines Hillary draws look like triangles and they lead nowhere. That’s why her speeches and policy positions are empty sop for the uninformed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1039013"><em>Hugh @ 144</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1038985"><em>dakine01 @ 135</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p> Although Senator Clinton is not my first choice, I think you do underestimate her. </p>
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<p>Not really.  Just not overly impressed. … Triangulation is I believe another character issue. …</p>
<p>We have a feel for where Gore draws those lines but with Hillary we have none.</p>
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<p>All of the lines Hillary draws look like triangles and they lead nowhere. That’s why her speeches and policy positions are empty sop for the uninformed.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039660</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1038924&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newtonusr @ 83&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Blunt - in the throws of a full-on breakdown:&lt;br /&gt;
“If Osama calls and orders a pizza, we should know.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Osama bin Laden is calling anyone we should be asking George W. Bush why ObL is still alive and free!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1038924"><em>newtonusr @ 83</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Blunt &#8211; in the throws of a full-on breakdown:<br />
“If Osama calls and orders a pizza, we should know.”</p>
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<p>If Osama bin Laden is calling anyone we should be asking George W. Bush why ObL is still alive and free!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039655</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1038919&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Al @ 79&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
But (sort of OT) I also saw this in today’s paper.  I’m really concerned about how benevolently most Mainers regard Susan Collins.  We will need major help here.  According to today’s poll if the senate election was held today, Collins would be easily re-elected.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How is Allen using his money? Does he call her a Conservative Bush Republican who wants to attack Iran with nuclear bombs?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He should also cite her votes that give away the Constitution. I don’t know them, but since she’s a Conservative Bush Republican she’s probably subverted the Constitution multiple times. Just look up her voting record and cite it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1038919"><em>Al @ 79</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>
…<br />
But (sort of OT) I also saw this in today’s paper.  I’m really concerned about how benevolently most Mainers regard Susan Collins.  We will need major help here.  According to today’s poll if the senate election was held today, Collins would be easily re-elected.
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<p>How is Allen using his money? Does he call her a Conservative Bush Republican who wants to attack Iran with nuclear bombs?</p>
<p>He should also cite her votes that give away the Constitution. I don’t know them, but since she’s a Conservative Bush Republican she’s probably subverted the Constitution multiple times. Just look up her voting record and cite it.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039641</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1038886&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 49&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I want to see John Edwards and Hillary Clinton, ‘one-on-one’.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hillary couldn’t handle that. She needs Osama, er Obama to her left pushing Edwards away, so she won’t have to answer any questions or say anything at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>I want to see John Edwards and Hillary Clinton, ‘one-on-one’.</p>
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<p>Hillary couldn’t handle that. She needs Osama, er Obama to her left pushing Edwards away, so she won’t have to answer any questions or say anything at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Wellington</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039574</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Wellington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Monday, as y’all know Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), former chairman and ranking member of the Intelligence Committee, cited the delay in surveillance when three American soldiers kidnapped in Iraq in May.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Former FBI whistle blower Mike German, who worked on cases of domestic terrorism before joining the ACLU Washington Legislative Office as Policy Counsel on National Security, Immigration and Privacy in 2006, contradicted Hoekstra in an article by the conservative Cybercast News Service:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It is shameful of the administration to put families of soldiers in a political argument. There is no loophole to be closed….FISA has never restricted the military or NSA (National Security Agency) from conducting surveillance from foreign soil. They know if they are sitting in Iraq they don’t have to come back to FISA.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;German noted that the military waited three days after the kidnapping before seeking approval from the NSA, the Department of Justice (DoJ), and former Attorney General Gonzales and filing for a warrant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“This is not about the law. It took them five hours to convince DoJ to even apply for the warrant.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interestingly, the rightwingnut blogosphere ignored this part of the story and assailed the ACLU for enabling terrorism.  Why am I not surprised?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monday, as y’all know Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), former chairman and ranking member of the Intelligence Committee, cited the delay in surveillance when three American soldiers kidnapped in Iraq in May.</p>
<p>Former FBI whistle blower Mike German, who worked on cases of domestic terrorism before joining the ACLU Washington Legislative Office as Policy Counsel on National Security, Immigration and Privacy in 2006, contradicted Hoekstra in an article by the conservative Cybercast News Service:</p>
<p>“It is shameful of the administration to put families of soldiers in a political argument. There is no loophole to be closed….FISA has never restricted the military or NSA (National Security Agency) from conducting surveillance from foreign soil. They know if they are sitting in Iraq they don’t have to come back to FISA.”</p>
<p>German noted that the military waited three days after the kidnapping before seeking approval from the NSA, the Department of Justice (DoJ), and former Attorney General Gonzales and filing for a warrant.</p>
<p>“This is not about the law. It took them five hours to convince DoJ to even apply for the warrant.”</p>
<p>Interestingly, the rightwingnut blogosphere ignored this part of the story and assailed the ACLU for enabling terrorism.  Why am I not surprised?</p>
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		<title>By: Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039170</link>
		<dc:creator>Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;is *Pastor* John Hagee waving his magic manna wand demanding health care for children?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oh I thought not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is *Pastor* John Hagee waving his magic manna wand demanding health care for children?</p>
<p>oh I thought not.</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039116</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1039000&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 140&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1038976&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Praedor Atrebates @ 130&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I want perspective immunity then myself.  If it is good enough for a nonexistent entity like a &lt;i&gt;corporation&lt;/i&gt; then it is most assuredly good enough for an actual living, breathing, voting human being.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are just ethereal motes of dust, a figment&lt;br /&gt;
Corporations are corporal, manly&lt;br /&gt;
You know, all puffed up and bloated&lt;br /&gt;
Stinking of rot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pissed off today.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1039000"><em>Hugh @ 140</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1038976"><em>Praedor Atrebates @ 130</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>  I want perspective immunity then myself.  If it is good enough for a nonexistent entity like a <i>corporation</i> then it is most assuredly good enough for an actual living, breathing, voting human being.  </p>
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<p>We are just ethereal motes of dust, a figment<br />
Corporations are corporal, manly<br />
You know, all puffed up and bloated<br />
Stinking of rot.</p>
<p>Pissed off today.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039013</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1038985&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 135&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Although Senator Clinton is not my first choice, I think you do underestimate her. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not really.  Just not overly impressed.  She represents old time politics, a DINO among DINOs.  She supported both the AUMF against Iraq and the war for years before her deeply equivocal rejection of them.  It says a lot about her character and her potential leadership that she never apologized for her decisions but tried to blame Bush instead.  If Bush fooled her on the AUMF why did she support the war until earlier this year?  Triangulation is I believe another character issue.  Sure it is just a function of politics but in most politicians some core values and red lines show through but not with Hillary.  That is the difference between her and Gore.  We have a feel for where Gore draws those lines but with Hillary we have none.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1038985"><em>dakine01 @ 135</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p> Although Senator Clinton is not my first choice, I think you do underestimate her. </p>
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<p>Not really.  Just not overly impressed.  She represents old time politics, a DINO among DINOs.  She supported both the AUMF against Iraq and the war for years before her deeply equivocal rejection of them.  It says a lot about her character and her potential leadership that she never apologized for her decisions but tried to blame Bush instead.  If Bush fooled her on the AUMF why did she support the war until earlier this year?  Triangulation is I believe another character issue.  Sure it is just a function of politics but in most politicians some core values and red lines show through but not with Hillary.  That is the difference between her and Gore.  We have a feel for where Gore draws those lines but with Hillary we have none.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/17/step-up-to-the-plate/#comment-1039007</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1038998&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newspaperbrat @ 139&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1038979&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 132&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now I heard Dalai Lama is the true thing. I wish some of his magic could rub off on Pelosi. Snare chimpy with the magic too.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chimpy looks awfully dazed and confused beside  his Holiness….and quite hung over.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s true. Dali Lama is aware fo the closeness between sacred and profane. So he’s not uncomfortable, I should think.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1038998"><em>newspaperbrat @ 139</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1038979"><em>mui @ 132</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Now I heard Dalai Lama is the true thing. I wish some of his magic could rub off on Pelosi. Snare chimpy with the magic too.</p>
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<p>Chimpy looks awfully dazed and confused beside  his Holiness….and quite hung over.</p>
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<p>It’s true. Dali Lama is aware fo the closeness between sacred and profane. So he’s not uncomfortable, I should think.</p>
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