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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1037824</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1036824&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;lambert strether @ 157&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;How to get Senator Jay Rockefeller’s office to hang up on you&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just call (202) 224-6472 and ask the simple, courteous question:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is this the number I call to get retroactive immunity for illegal acts?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Be courteous, now!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too funny. Politicians don’t tend to get that kind of humor and it scares them (the poor things).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, if this were Saturday Night Live…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1036824"><em>lambert strether @ 157</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>How to get Senator Jay Rockefeller’s office to hang up on you</p>
<p>Just call (202) 224-6472 and ask the simple, courteous question:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is this the number I call to get retroactive immunity for illegal acts?
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<p>Be courteous, now!</p>
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<p>Too funny. Politicians don’t tend to get that kind of humor and it scares them (the poor things).</p>
<p>However, if this were Saturday Night Live…</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1037771</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1036641&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Diane @ 105&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT but wanted to share, just rec’d a letter back from Virginia Foxx (R-NC)in reply to my email asking her to reconsider her SCHIP vote, she responded by calling the bill a “Democrat bill” - man I’m really pissed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She might not like a ‘Democrat bill’, but you’re certainly being polite by writing a ’shit for brains’ Congresswoman, so that evens things up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1036641"><em>Diane @ 105</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT but wanted to share, just rec’d a letter back from Virginia Foxx (R-NC)in reply to my email asking her to reconsider her SCHIP vote, she responded by calling the bill a “Democrat bill” &#8211; man I’m really pissed.</p>
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<p>She might not like a ‘Democrat bill’, but you’re certainly being polite by writing a ’shit for brains’ Congresswoman, so that evens things up.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1037759</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1036630&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ed @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Has it occurred to anyone else that this giant dragnet that the Bushies have put out might have something to do with the Democrat’s lack of spine in bucking them. How many “oppo-research” goodies turned up in all these phone calls and how many hints have been dropped to Dem/wavering Repub lawmakers about how they should not get too out front or things might start showing up in the hometown newspaper?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;J Edgar did it all the time without having any computers at all. It is just too easy now…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is a question we’ve considered. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, with all the scandals among Republicans it appears the primary route to power for the Bushies (and perhaps going back to Reagan’s time) has been either blackmail or payoffs. Gingrich put a lot of money into campaigns and that made him Speaker. Now all the money is drying up and Repubs are evacuating Congress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ll never know the full extent to which ‘the power’ has been used. But, it certainly puts the word “Privacy” into everyone’s mind and should cause us all to reconsider any and all government programs which involve data collection.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1036630"><em>Ed @ 95</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Has it occurred to anyone else that this giant dragnet that the Bushies have put out might have something to do with the Democrat’s lack of spine in bucking them. How many “oppo-research” goodies turned up in all these phone calls and how many hints have been dropped to Dem/wavering Repub lawmakers about how they should not get too out front or things might start showing up in the hometown newspaper?</p>
<p>J Edgar did it all the time without having any computers at all. It is just too easy now…</p>
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<p>It is a question we’ve considered. </p>
<p>Of course, with all the scandals among Republicans it appears the primary route to power for the Bushies (and perhaps going back to Reagan’s time) has been either blackmail or payoffs. Gingrich put a lot of money into campaigns and that made him Speaker. Now all the money is drying up and Repubs are evacuating Congress.</p>
<p>We’ll never know the full extent to which ‘the power’ has been used. But, it certainly puts the word “Privacy” into everyone’s mind and should cause us all to reconsider any and all government programs which involve data collection.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1037726</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1036556&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 33&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jena 6 hearing on C-Span 3.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.as&quot;&gt;http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.as&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
p?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS3&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a justice system where Ari Fleisher, Rove, Libby, Novak and others run free after outing an undercover agent whose job was focused on National Security, and whose outing may take the CIA 10 years to recover from. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Yet young black men are thrown in jail for beating up a white kid (obviously not acceptable) and Mycheal Bell is tried as an adult, held in prison for months, and the white kids who hung the nooses suffered no consequences.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;District Attorney Reed Walters and President Bush have something in common they both like to stroke pens.  District Attorney Walter Reed  told those students “with a stroke of a pen, I can make your lives disappear”  President Bush stroked his pen and over ruled the Federal Courts and set the convicted Libby free.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why does any one wonder why there is such deep dis-respect for our justice system?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Tom Delay isn’t in prison yet!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1036556"><em>Kathleen @ 33</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Jena 6 hearing on C-Span 3.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.as">http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.as</a><br />
p?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS3</p>
<p>What a justice system where Ari Fleisher, Rove, Libby, Novak and others run free after outing an undercover agent whose job was focused on National Security, and whose outing may take the CIA 10 years to recover from. </p>
<p> Yet young black men are thrown in jail for beating up a white kid (obviously not acceptable) and Mycheal Bell is tried as an adult, held in prison for months, and the white kids who hung the nooses suffered no consequences.</p>
<p>District Attorney Reed Walters and President Bush have something in common they both like to stroke pens.  District Attorney Walter Reed  told those students “with a stroke of a pen, I can make your lives disappear”  President Bush stroked his pen and over ruled the Federal Courts and set the convicted Libby free.</p>
<p>Why does any one wonder why there is such deep dis-respect for our justice system?</p>
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<p>And Tom Delay isn’t in prison yet!</p>
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		<title>By: pluege</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1037324</link>
		<dc:creator>pluege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Smells like there is a BIG EFFING story of telecomm complicity republican ass-lickery in violating customers right to privacy. anyone seen TPM lately?&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smells like there is a BIG EFFING story of telecomm complicity republican ass-lickery in violating customers right to privacy. anyone seen TPM lately?<br />
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		<title>By: Praedor Atrebates</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1037075</link>
		<dc:creator>Praedor Atrebates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1036535&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 14&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It sure appears that congressional oversight is back in style after six years of Republican oversight slumber.  Let’s hope Senator Rockefeller and others on the Intelligence committee and Pelosi, Harman and those in the House responsible for oversight accept their full responsibility and do not in any way allow for any type of “retroactive immunity” for US or Israeli telecommunication companies.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The American people are hungry to witness our Reps enforce oversight and for ACCOUNTABILITY.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hehehe.  HAAAAHAAAHAAA!  Oh boy, that was hilarious.  Rockerfeller is the LEAD GUY who put the immunity shit into the Senate Bill!  You think HE is going to do “oversight” and do the right thing?  He has ALREADY done the unconstitutional, anti-American, anti-liberty, freedom-hating thing and pushed for immunity without even a slight hesitation!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1036535"><em>Kathleen @ 14</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It sure appears that congressional oversight is back in style after six years of Republican oversight slumber.  Let’s hope Senator Rockefeller and others on the Intelligence committee and Pelosi, Harman and those in the House responsible for oversight accept their full responsibility and do not in any way allow for any type of “retroactive immunity” for US or Israeli telecommunication companies.   </p>
<p>The American people are hungry to witness our Reps enforce oversight and for ACCOUNTABILITY.</p>
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<p>Hehehe.  HAAAAHAAAHAAA!  Oh boy, that was hilarious.  Rockerfeller is the LEAD GUY who put the immunity shit into the Senate Bill!  You think HE is going to do “oversight” and do the right thing?  He has ALREADY done the unconstitutional, anti-American, anti-liberty, freedom-hating thing and pushed for immunity without even a slight hesitation!</p>
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		<title>By: VJB</title>
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		<dc:creator>VJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As well as to congressional offices (mostly R’s, to voice constructive criticism), recent calls in the second degree include those who were college roommates of such potential terrorists as former Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge, a former mayor of DC, and a president of Dreamworks, just to name a few.  I don’t know anybody important myself.  When Bush genealogy was in the news a few years ago, we were afraid my wife could be related to him through the CT Walker family.  Apparently not so, thank God.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As well as to congressional offices (mostly R’s, to voice constructive criticism), recent calls in the second degree include those who were college roommates of such potential terrorists as former Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge, a former mayor of DC, and a president of Dreamworks, just to name a few.  I don’t know anybody important myself.  When Bush genealogy was in the news a few years ago, we were afraid my wife could be related to him through the CT Walker family.  Apparently not so, thank God.</p>
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		<title>By: lambert strether</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1036824</link>
		<dc:creator>lambert strether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How to get Senator Jay Rockefeller’s office to hang up on you&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just call (202) 224-6472 and ask the simple, courteous question:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is this the number I call to get retroactive immunity for illegal acts?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Be courteous, now!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to get Senator Jay Rockefeller’s office to hang up on you</p>
<p>Just call (202) 224-6472 and ask the simple, courteous question:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is this the number I call to get retroactive immunity for illegal acts?
</p>
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<p>Be courteous, now!</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1036822</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;kathleen — Am sorry if you thought my response was snotty.  But this from you:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But I have made another effort here at FDL (which I did here at FDL days before the march in Jena, I was actually hammered because I brought up that FDL had been negligent on this critical topic) to talk about the hearing that is taking place right now as I type on the Jena 6 issue. The next post is about the Frost family and the SCHIP program but the focus on the Frost family has been huge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder how many mostly “white” progressive blogs are focused (even a tiny bit) on the Jena 6 hearing today?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that just the same as called us racist.  Considering that we had someone set up on the spot to do reporting for us the day of the Jena6 march (who failed to come through with a dispatch until the next day, which was not Jane’s fault, and something that she has explained repeatedly), it’s an unfair aspersion.  Perhaps you didn’t mean it to come out that way — but it did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have worked long and hard to develop relationships with bloggers of all colors and genders and sexual preferences precisely because their voices are not often given enough space to be heard.  But we cannot do everything all the time for every issue that everyone wants to discuss.  We are a blog not a wire service — asking us to cover an issue is one thing, but accusing us of not covering something under racial motivations is way, way off base.  And I needed to say that because, frankly, Jane has worked her ass off to build a lot of bridges because they need to be built and its the right thing to do for all of us — not because it earns her some sort of brownie points.  And, frankly, I’m quite simply exhausted — this has been a very long month already, I desperately need a break, and the last thing I needed this morning was to be accused of being a racist while I’m on and off the phone with any number of people on the Hill trying to get a whipcount on SCHIP and FISA and information about the Holt bill and about a billion other things.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clearly I just need a break, and with that, I’m going to start packing for one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathleen — Am sorry if you thought my response was snotty.  But this from you:
</p>
<blockquote><p>But I have made another effort here at FDL (which I did here at FDL days before the march in Jena, I was actually hammered because I brought up that FDL had been negligent on this critical topic) to talk about the hearing that is taking place right now as I type on the Jena 6 issue. The next post is about the Frost family and the SCHIP program but the focus on the Frost family has been huge.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder how many mostly “white” progressive blogs are focused (even a tiny bit) on the Jena 6 hearing today?</p>
<p>that just the same as called us racist.  Considering that we had someone set up on the spot to do reporting for us the day of the Jena6 march (who failed to come through with a dispatch until the next day, which was not Jane’s fault, and something that she has explained repeatedly), it’s an unfair aspersion.  Perhaps you didn’t mean it to come out that way — but it did.</p>
<p>We have worked long and hard to develop relationships with bloggers of all colors and genders and sexual preferences precisely because their voices are not often given enough space to be heard.  But we cannot do everything all the time for every issue that everyone wants to discuss.  We are a blog not a wire service — asking us to cover an issue is one thing, but accusing us of not covering something under racial motivations is way, way off base.  And I needed to say that because, frankly, Jane has worked her ass off to build a lot of bridges because they need to be built and its the right thing to do for all of us — not because it earns her some sort of brownie points.  And, frankly, I’m quite simply exhausted — this has been a very long month already, I desperately need a break, and the last thing I needed this morning was to be accused of being a racist while I’m on and off the phone with any number of people on the Hill trying to get a whipcount on SCHIP and FISA and information about the Holt bill and about a billion other things.</p>
<p>Clearly I just need a break, and with that, I’m going to start packing for one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/16/six-degrees-of-your-privacy/#comment-1036798</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Telcoms have been in bed with the government just about from the beginning of telcoms. I don’t understand retroactive immunity. Does this mean telcoms will have immunity from the time the bill passes? Unfortunate because the only hope of redress is for someone who knows he or she has been caught up in some sort of illegal sweep to sue the pants off the guilty. Most of us, if surveiled, won’t know it and would have no way to find out. We cannot expect the government (whether Dem or Repub I fear) to protect individual rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you remember in 1984 Big Brother was watching. Many didn’t object on the theory that if you are not doing anything wrong you don’t mind surveilance. Lots of Americans feel the same way about our need for this defense in the war on terror. Too bad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telcoms have been in bed with the government just about from the beginning of telcoms. I don’t understand retroactive immunity. Does this mean telcoms will have immunity from the time the bill passes? Unfortunate because the only hope of redress is for someone who knows he or she has been caught up in some sort of illegal sweep to sue the pants off the guilty. Most of us, if surveiled, won’t know it and would have no way to find out. We cannot expect the government (whether Dem or Repub I fear) to protect individual rights.</p>
<p>If you remember in 1984 Big Brother was watching. Many didn’t object on the theory that if you are not doing anything wrong you don’t mind surveilance. Lots of Americans feel the same way about our need for this defense in the war on terror. Too bad.</p>
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