FamiliesUSA has put out a mythbusting fact sheet about SCHIP, a sad and tragic necessity in the wake of the abject lies told by the President of the United States and those who get off licking his shoeleather. To wit:
Claims by the President that this bill raises the CHIP eligibility level to $83,000 (400 percent of the federal of the poverty level) in annual income are unambiguously false. There isn’t a single state in the country with such a high eligibility level. One state, New York, wanted to set the eligibility standard at that level, but its request to do so was denied by the Administration.
I’m also fond of the newfound sense of fiscal responsibility espoused by George Bush, who now says we simply can’t afford that kind of expenditure if it’s kids’ lives on the line instead of, say, nuclear warheads. I’m even going to quote the JLW on this one:
These veto threats would be less absurd if they came from a president with an established track record of fiscal responsibility. But Bush didn’t hesitate to sign off on bloated spending bills–including a $1.2 trillion Medicare prescription-drug benefit–when he thought it might help Republicans keep control of Congress. And now he whines about “irresponsible levels of spending” and threatens to bring the federal government to a standstill over a fraction of a percent of the budget?
The federal budget has grown at an average rate of 6.1 percent per year under Bush, twice the rate at which it grew under President Clinton. Conservatives often retort that the growth of government during the Bush administration is simply a function of spending on homeland security and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. They’re wrong: Even domestic non-homeland-security discretionary spending has risen faster under Bush than it did during the Clinton years. All this might be fine if he had deigned to pay for it. Instead, he opted for $2 trillion worth of tax cuts.
As Naomi Klein says in The Shock Doctrine, the Bush Administration has been remarkably successful at selling off large chunks of the public space — an arena that the American people have not only an investment but a vested interest in — to raging corporatists who then lease it back to the government at huge expense. From the charter schools of New Orleans to the security contracts in Iraq, the costs have been staggering. For Bush to start quibbling about pricetags now like he really cares seems just a wee bit disingenuous.
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Jane!
Here.
BADA BING! x2
A drive-by with hugs to Jane. If my party can’t succeed in over-riding this veto, then there’s little hope for us, imho.
Jane!!!
Thanks for all the great work!!
and there is the defnition of a fascist
wiki;
oops, triggered the filter with my post, could a mod please correct and release?
So the admin. and its little helpers have two whoppers in active circulation now. The “SCHIP pays for rich people”, and “FISA killed our soldiers”. They’ve told worse lies maybe, but these are so blatant, and so scum-laden. I’m thinking they’ve outdone themselves–achieved new lows.
That’s why Bush should be impeached… for his incessant lying to the American people.
Jeeze, if all we had was 10% of all the money that has been wasted, stolen and “gone missing” over the past 6.5 years, we could fund this whole thing, no questions asked.
On the topic of health care, I assume the paycheck of all the other wage slaves out there went down with the beginning of the fiscal year; mine did. I’m morbidly curious how long people with a visibly eroding standard of living will put up with it.
Bay State Librul @ 9
sorry. it’s off the table. and thank god or we’d be celebrating Stalin’s birthday at the doctor’s office just like in Montreal and Moose Jaw.
i’m listening to sam seder now (on aar for randi rhodes) and the call-ins are amazing. such outrage that “the government” would be wasting “our” money by paying for healthcare for kids.
if there’d be this much outrage from the rightwingers about “our” money being wasted killing people, peace would be breaking out all over.
Oh JUST A TOUCH disingenous!
I understand where they’re coming from, they just want to line their pockets with moola.
What I *don’t* understand is how the rest of the 95% who get bupkus, nothing, zero, NADA continue to support these criminals???
I’d bash my head on the desk again, but that bruise is starting to look ugly…
Hey wait a minute, wait a minute!
Honorable Rep. Boehner says GOP is going to make their own health care plan that’s even better than the Democrat plan! Dems don’t know anything about bipartisanship and about caring for sick kids, we do!
slaps self across face. Snap out of it!
OK Phew, here’s what I meant to say: If we persist in denial ie believing more GOP LIES We’re no better than the obstructionist Congress, or that lunatic in the White House.
No more koolaid placebos, America!
selise @ 12
Remember we have entered the new “Gilded Age”
brendan @ 11
The large company I work for has had very good health insurance options for more than 10 years. Now, they are pushing us towards a “Total Health” plan. It is more expensive than all the other insurance plan options, and ammounts to, basically, catastrophic coverage. In the next couple of years, they plan to phase out all options except this one.
selise @ 12
I think it’s because it is couched in terms that make these folks feel that “their kids” would never get anything – it’s all “those other kids” who are going to get something that “their kids” are never going to get.
Well, they are right – if congress can’t override the veto, “their kids” are NOT going to get it either.
So there.
I guess that’s ok, then.
Bay State Librul @ 15
then how come we’re tarnished?
Toby Wollin @ 18
Yeah, it’s always, “I don’t need it and you shouldn’t need it either.”
I once knew a very young tax payer who objected to being taxed for fire services, police services, etc., because she never needed it. yep.
OT: Randi Rhodes Update
from shakesville:
Again, take this for whatever it’s worth at this point, but the NY Daily News is now reporting that Randi Rhodes was not attacked, but fell. According to police and her attorney, Rhodes never filed a police report and never herself asserted she’d been attacked. So how the report originally got on air, I don’t know—and of course I can’t vouch for the validity of these reports, either. Just passing them along.
do-si-do @ 15
Sounds like John has been hitting that Jack Daniels a little this morning.
the shots of george bush (the skeletal elder heaving dry breaths of plague and pestilence) thundering about socialized medicine in Canada in ‘Sicko’ are hilarious.
well, hilarious and pathetic and horrible.
do-si-do @ 20
hmm… i don’t need all those bombs falling on my head and you shouldn’t need them either?
something else going on here… and it sure sounds like there’s a lot of hate involved.
do-si-do @ 20
That brings a grrrrr from this corner of the peanut gallery, being in the 911 and fire service! Teh stoooopit…it burns!
They are discussing the Free Flow of Information Act on the floor Shield law 2102
So how does congress protect the American public and National Security from journalist like Judy Miller (lied about sources and WMD’s), Robert Novak (outed a CIA agent) and protect our national security from the “alleged” passing of classified intelligence from journalist to officials or agents of a foreign country.
They are discussing the passing of a Shield Law on the floor. How do you keep the free flow of information open and journalist are able to protect their sources,and at the same time protect the public from journalist who have agendas that have nothing to do with shedding the light on the truth, or getting accurate information to the public? Novak disclosing Plame’s identity did not benefit the public. This disclosure undermined National Security and hurt the American public. Judy Miller hurt our country and the people of Iraq by reporting Lies about Iraq. Miller is drowning in the Iraqi peoples blood and American soldiers blood
I want to know how we make sure journalist like this suffer serious consequences for their very serious and destructive crimes. Journalist are not omnipotent
ccmask @ 21
Thanks, I was going to ask if there was any new info..the online stories are “odd”.
selise @ 13
It’s a total lack of class consciousness on the part of middle class Americans.
brendan @ 28
and greed. quite thoughtless unintelligent greed. ‘why should you get what’s mine?’
Kathleen @ 25
True. Editors should subject them to lie
detector tests before publication?
brendan @ 28
maybe. but, it’s also a total lack of empathy.
God forbid congress should have a hearing on the unaccountable 81 billion that went into the hands of the Iraqi government. Rice is concerned it will embarrass them if we expose their corruption. I can only think of one reason the Secretary of State and the White House have deemed this classified information is because they are getting huge kickbacks. Don’t want to embarrass them, like hell! But they do advocate impaling sick kids on a stack of medical bills.
brendan @ 11
Federal employees won’t see their cost-of-living increase until the first full pay period after January 1, 2008.
We used to get the COLA at the beginning of the fiscal year, but that changed under a Republican President, many years ago…
Kathleen @26:
I commented on this on the last thread. Yesterday it was useful to defend Judith Miller, tomorrow they’ll want to attack a genuine journalist. “Jujitsu”, I think we call it here.
With all respect, I’m getting a bit tired of seeing the “ad that didn’t run against Baron Hill (except that we’re running it anyway)” showing up on every SCHIP-related post. Many of us here in the Indiana Ninth worked very hard to get him to change his vote, which he has done. While I doubt if Hill himself reads FDL, I’m sure some of his staffers do. I worry that if it comes too far into his attention, it could piss him off enough to change back.
I told him personally, when a group of us met with him last week regarding FISA, that we would “cover” him for doing the right thing on SCHIP, and many others agreed to do this. Please, help me out here. Use one of the ads that names a “Bush Dog” that still needs pressure. He’s still fair game on the other issues, but let’s cut him some slack on SCHIP. Please? Thanks!
I’m thinking that after the first Gilded Age
of greed, we had a Stock Market Crash…
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Kathleen @ 26
you mean like dana priest? seymour hersh? eric lichtblau?
‘cuz you know who the AG is going to go after?
Off topic (my apologies!): just called Feinstein’s DC office about FISA, and the staffer who took the call told me that the senator has yet to articulate a position on the issue. Told him that was a bit disingenuous considering the subject didn’t just appear out of the ether yesterday. We’ll have to keep the pressure on…
selise @ 24
I do think Rushbo is good at one thing, surveilling sources of truth and siccing his pack of hate dogs on them. That’s my theory…
There is a certain amount of resentment of people getting something that one did not receive themselves, but this is all over the top. Another example, I once qualified for a brand new short term disability benefit for my maternity leave. Teh HR person kept snipping at me that she didn’t get this when she had her kids. (I encounter a lot of nice people, don’t I? Hmmm.)
I like to think that I’m nice, so I didn’t say: hey! we’re not talking about you! or, hey! have another kid and you will get this! or Omigod, you didn’t get this? Then, oh, I shouldn’t apply for it either, (sniffle, waves hand in front of face, beauty queen style).
My point, and I guess I have one, is that it doesn’t matter if you qualify for SCHIP, or if SCHIP exists, it matters that you do or don’t get it.
It’s simple jealousy and a feeling of being left out and not getting any love.
brendan @ 28
s/consciousness //
brendan @ 34
amen. what you said.
This Think Progress article I linked to in the last thread has gotten me so angry that I cannot see straight and is causing me to use words that I usually reserve for the most drastic circumstances.
do-si-do @ 39
i get feeling that way… hey, i confess to being human too.
but after about 7 years old, don’t we start working on recognizing that feeling and then not acting on it?
selise @ 31
It’s also an atavistic impulse to ward off evil by sacrificing someone weaker.
brendan @ 44
i’ve never heard of that. where can i go to read up?
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 28
Mr Sandman @ 38
Probably about the same response I get with e-mails.
(I think they delete the e-mails after they send the form-letter response, they never read the actual content, and especially they don’t disturb Her Highness with the messages that she’s off on the wrong track – and there’s likely to be a freight train headed for her.)
This is part of Hillary’s “I voted for an attack on Iran and then voted against it” moment.
http://www.forward.com/articles/11795/
Clinton Steps Away From Pro-Israel Lobby on Measure to Rein in President
Nathan Guttman | Wed. Oct 10, 2007
Washington – Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton has built a reputation for strictly adhering to the pro-Israel line, but she now appears, for the first time, to be supporting legislation that is opposed by pro-Israel lobbyists.
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Clinton announced last week that she would co-sponsor an amendment, proposed by Virginia Democrat Jim Webb, that would require the president to seek congressional approval before taking military action against Iran.
geek on torture:
Why I am I writing about this topic in something called “The Standards Blog?”
Besides the obvious fact that every American must take personal responsibility for what the American government does in his or her name, there is this: perhaps the oldest standards of all are words. Most standards are, after all, otherwise arbitrary and meaningless things that become distinctive and valuable only because we agree upon what they are supposed to mean. There is nothing inherently significant about 60 watts as compared to 55, and 32 ounces of fluid has no greater cosmic significance than 31. Even the otherwise rational elements of the metric system are divided or derived from arbitrarily chosen physical coordinates, such as the distance from the poles to the equator.
Thank you!!! Sincerely!
OT: The phrase “class consciousness” came to my mind because a rented a geat political movie, “The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie” again recently.
selise @ 31
Americans actually believe the myth of a classless society. This belief makes it very easily to manipulate the public in whichever way the ruling elites want.
I am not with Conyers on this Shield Law passage. He is reading from one newspaper after another who all support a shield law.
Hello Conyers of course the MSM supports more protection for journalist. I can not believe he is reading that “journalist jailed” scares journalist. Judy Miller needed to be jailed, two judges determined that she should reveal her sources due to National Security. She defied that order.
Judy Miller has been pushing for this National Shield Law. Journalist like Judy Miller (there are others) who hide behind their journalistic priviliges, they would hide even more behind a federal Shield Law.
http://www.editorandpublisher……1001307821
Too many journalist have passed on highly classified intelligence (allegedly to foreign agents of other countries) protected by journalistic priviliges. I want our nation protected from Judy Millers and Bob Novaks. I do not want them to have more protection
Lynn Cheney just said Cheney and Obama are cousins!
raven @ 54
Poor Obama! Talk about having crosses to bear!
P J Evans @ 47
Well, Her Highness won’t be getting my vote next time she’s up for re-election. I also intend to be spending more quality time with her minions. There’s quite a bit I think she’s off on the wrong track about…
Kathleen @ 53 –
would the sheild law presently being considered have prevented miller from going to jail?
raven @ 54
As long as they’re not “Brothers”.
Bluetoe @ 52
are you and brendan telling me i need to read some marx?
there have been 19 subpoenas for journalist since 1991.
why are Pelosi and Conyers pushing for this? Why not pass some legislation that holds journalist who abuse their priviliges accountable, not give them more protection. Mary Jesus and Joseph the “free press” helped lie our nation into an unnecessary war.
Next they are going to push for “retroactive immunity” for journalist who have passed on highly classified intelligence that undermined National Security
dakine01 @ 55
drives another nail in coffin of candidacy
Is this Shield law different than what Patrick Fitzgerald was writing about on Oct 4. Is this the same Shield Law? I am not sorry to say that I am against anything that gives journalist like Novak or Miller more protection.
Shield Law Perils . . .
Bill Would Wreak Havoc on a System That Isn’t Broken
By Patrick J. Fitzgerald
Thursday, October 4, 2007; Page A25
Today, the Senate Judiciary Committee will consider a “shield law” for journalists that would radically alter the way national security investigations are conducted. Unlike state shield laws, a federal shield law poses unique obstacles to the protection of national security. We must know whether the proposed law squarely addresses a real problem before taking such a significant step.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02000.html
GOP lie as told to me by Virginia Foxx (R-NC) the “Democrat bill” provides healthcare for “illegal aliens” and she has the nerve to put this in writing!
perris @ 61
Lynne Cheney: ‘Dick and Barack Obama are eighth cousins.’
selise @ 45
this place always expands my vocabulary! *g*
Kathleen @ 62
when you figure it out, let us know.
personally, i’m not going to take any position on this bill without having a clue how it would affect not only miller and novak et al., but also hersh and priest.
brendan @ 58
No, they are something like 8th or 9th cousins once removed according to a family tree. That’s pretty removed considering there are thousands of new bloodlines that entered betwixt and between their original source which was probably on his mother’s side.
selise @ 43
Part of my recovery is learning that not all grownups are mature. And I was expecting to be more mature than the grownups in my life. Sound familiar, citizens? ;)
twolf1 @ 64
####### prove it. While we’re at it, prove your husband is still alive. We’re sure seeing a lot of her funny face these days. Peh.
twolf1 @ 64
and kevin bacon?
Toby Wollin @ 46
I think you are on to something really important. If a family needs SCHIP, then somehow, a head of the family of a certain mindset is going to have to come to grips that they “need help” and that can make a person feel pretty inadequate. Probably a bit of, “stop taxing us and we could afford our own health coverage” or something…
do-si-do @ 68
my 7 year old nephew wouldn’t deny another child needed medical care. fact is, he’d undergo pretty severe hardship if he knew it would help.
sometimes i think life is a process of losing important parts of our humanity – like our empathy… and not of one of gaining maturity.
twolf1 @ 64
I’ve been lurking, in and out, all day, but, to be honest, I’ve been too depressed to contribute any words. But, this story made me smile. Eighth? That’s even farther away from 6 degrees.
A Real Stretch. For whatever purpose.
Diane @ 63
Foxxie is truly remarkable. In fact, outrageous. I stop and listen just to hear the next vermin spewing out of her mouth. She gets the Rotten to the Core award from me.
demi @ 73
One of them is seven greats from the grandparents and one is 8 greats if I’m figuring correctly.
do-si-do @ 71
i think you mean someody else. i haven’t typed anything this coherent and thoughtful today at all.
selise @ 66
So why are they pushing so hard to have it passed?
Miller is partially responsible for killing Iraqi people and American soldiers Hersh and Priest are not. Novak is responsible for the outing of a CIA undercover agent Priest and Hersh are not.
These journalist are worlds apart
If Fitz is against it and Judy Miller is for it, I know where I stand..with Fitz
Hi Dakine, and,…
Mabel….Jinx! Kevin – 6 degrees.
I’m not so alone as I feel.
(((demi)))
Selise,
You are a dear person.
For some reason, I’m thinking of the E.E. Cummings poem where he writes something like I am a little church. No great cathedral.
But, like poetry and music and water, this place always makes me feel better.
Even if the news SUX.
Later lakers off to a dinner with Ohio’s Governor Strickland. I am truly thankful for the differing views and how many concerned people there are here at the Lake.
Also thankful for Jane, Christy and the FDL team.
Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 76
Yeah, I tried to sort out the nested quotes and gave up…glad you’re here! ;)
Kathleen @ 77
fitz was also in favor of the patriot act.
One thing I have been trying to point out in some discussion threads is the fact that no matter what, we as a society will be paying to cover the expenses of health-care for the uninsured. It is a matter of being pro-active and having a program like SCHIP in place to cover the costs in a cost-conscious manner or it will be a reactive approach paid for by higher premiums year after year to cover the high cost emergency services visits of the uninsured. There is no getting around not paying.
Kathleen @ 77
watching law come out of the 110th is only slightly less painful than than watching law come out the 109th
tw3k @ 85
worse.
i was expecting bad shit from the 109th
i was expecting bad shit to be blocked by the 110th.
i was wrong.
fitz was also in favor of the patriot act.
Why I gotta luv ya, gf.
How can you be so smart and informed And balanced?
IrishJim @ 84
that sums it up!
dakine01 @ 75
‘Not hardly related’ is how I’d put it.
For more on this (esoteric?) subject (and some laughs, I suspect, at how people are connected) go here. There’s one page on ‘political figures’, and another one with more stuff on some of the current candidates, further down the page.
hi selise, I think we’re saying the same thing with different words? (Boy, oh boy, one hasn’t lived until one has taken a selfish person of entitlement to the ER. Quite a party, not. Boy, all my demons are flying out today with this discussion of SCHIP. I don’t know why.)
By maturity I meant (in part) the ability to put another’s needs ahead of one’s own. Empathy is certainly related to maturity, too.
i’m just sitting here watching c-span and hitting reload on the house rules “special rules reported” webpage to see what rule gets written by the committee on fisa today.
i plead extenuating circumstances for my bad mood.
apologies to all i may have offended (or will offend).
P J Evans @ 89
OMG! Cats and dogs sleeping together!
selise @ 91
Hey friend, I didn’t detect any crankiness … but may I say … we’re certainly entitled, jeez, health care for poor kids is controversial? who knew.
thanks for the vigilance on FISA. So many scandals, so little time and patience. our government gets creepier and creepier.
do-si-do @ 90 & 93 -
thanks for the wise comments and understanding. much appreciated.
Add The Beard to the Lying Liars — he’s still repeating the $83,000 b.s. right now.
Any claim of fiscal responsibility by the Bushies is ludicrous. Isn’t the annual pricetag for S-CHIP about the same as the billions in Iraq that have gone simply unaccounted for? That might be worth bringing up in conversation.
Dang Selise, you are a trooper!
selise @ 83
And Judy Miller helped lie this nation into an unnecessary war and has been pushing for more protection of Journalist. I want legislation that will protect the American people and the rest of the world from “so called” journalist like Miller.
I don’t agree with everything Kucinich has voted on or stands for but I stand behind the majority of his votes and legislation. Can not be on the same page with some one all of the time.
I trust Fitz more than I trust many of our Reps.
dakine01 @ 55
Who do they get to write their material? This is soooo off the wall it’s almost like something Andy Kaufman wrote.
As a self employed person, I pay $1200 a month for health insurance. And now the Socialist want to raise the level to 400% times the poverty level.
In Rockville, CT thats $84,000 a year for a family of 4. Now I have to pay for that family too ?
Mr Author, you need to get off your soap box with this “Well there is still plenty of money around so lets spend it” attitude.
If you had to pay this out of your own pocket, it would be a lot different. Or how about your parents ? They must have an extra $50K a year laying around they dont need.
You are just plain reckless. Of course, a free hospital doesnt matter. Of course 12 million illegal aliens does not make the cost go up. Of course foreclosure rates at all time highs dont affect anything, of course the highest oil prices dont matter either.
What matters is you need to spend your own money & then stop !
Not my money nor my kids money.
No means no.
Carl
What does that “no” vote on the procedural FISA mean?