2nd zed

zed…

Rach!!!

two in the same evening :)

or not

nought?

what was the worst news of the day?
what was the best news of the day?

not naughty…

but perhaps a bit dotty?

Why, it’s my brother!

crap

not even close. screw it, I am going to bed.

Addison says, hi, y’all.

Give the li’l guy a kiss from his Uncle TRex, please.

‘night Patrick. Hi Addison.

TRex @ 12

Give the li’l guy a kiss from his Uncle TRex, please.

Done.

Lights out now….

have good sleep, y’all!

good news: push back on GOP smear machine.

bad news: Bush still in office.

worst news —- my back still hurts.

best news —- someone else volunteered to do some of the scut work at my job and i didn’t have to.

What do you guys think of the clip? Can you hear the train or am I reading too much into it?

night patrick.

i’m on dialup so i can’t answer that for ya trex

Best news:

Ann Coulter unmasking herself as the vulgar fraud and cultural charlatan that she is.

Worst news:

It was a hacker.

TexBetsy @ 4

two in the same evening :)

Hey, here’s a snack I was fetching while you were snitching the zed…

cheese jerky

OK, it’s really dumb, but it makes me laugh. hope you like the salty.

going to check frontline again. see ya tomorrow.

TRex @ 17

What do you guys think of the clip? Can you hear the train or am I reading too much into it?

Works for me. I will have to listen to it later at a louder volume. Right now if I turn it down to the point that the loudest parts won’t wake up my wife in the next room, I can hardly hear the softer parts.

‘night,do-si-do!

Good night, mon frere. Sleep well.

REAL snack. (OK, my leftovers from dinner.) Salmon quiche.

Can’t play it, TRex. Wife is sleeping about three feet away.

Here’s some bad news.

Imagine Spending Your Whole Adult Life in Prison
from TalkLeft by TChris

Adam Liptak reminds us of an embarrassing fact:

In December, the United Nations took up a resolution calling for the abolition of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for children and young teenagers. The vote was 185 to 1, with the United States the lone dissenter.

Indeed, the United States stands alone in the world in convicting young adolescents as adults and sentencing them to live out their lives in prison. According to a new report, there are 73 Americans serving such sentences for crimes they committed at 13 or 14.

The Equal Justice Initiative advocates the restoration of parole availability for juvenile offenders who are sentenced to life. Its report is here (pdf). Liptak explains why that sensible proposal won’t excite legislators:

Corrections professionals and criminologists here and abroad tend to agree that violent crime is usually a young person’s activity, suggesting that eventual parole could be considered in most cases. But the American legal system is more responsive to popular concerns about crime and attitudes about punishment, while justice systems abroad tend to be administered by career civil servants rather than elected legislators, prosecutors and judges.

Few legislators have the courage to enact sensible correctional policies for fear of being labeled “soft on crime.” Voters need to tell them that we don’t want kids growing up and dying behind bars.

Good news…. said I would give my left kidney to get rid of GWB….
Bad news…. who the hell did not follow up when I did?

Lordy that Frontline special on Cheney was pretty creepy… Did not have enough garlic cloves to keep the evil away.

neurophius @ 22

TRex @ 17

What do you guys think of the clip? Can you hear the train or am I reading too much into it?

Works for me. I will have to listen to it later at a louder volume. Right now if I turn it down to the point that the loudest parts won’t wake up my wife in the next room, I can hardly hear the softer parts.

We have these awesome devices these days called “headphones”, and just like you would think, they are a sound source that you can wear on your head. They fit over your ears with a band, generally made of plastic, that stretches over your head to hold them on. They’re really amazing. You can put them on to listen to music and NO ONE ELSE AROUND YOU CAN HEAR.

You should try them sometime. They’re not even very expensive, some of them. I might even have an old set that I can send you.

Aloha, Patrick… oops, bye! TRex, I was wondering if you two had been approached for this study…

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s…..TE=DEFAULT

Mah brutha iz not gay.

He are just festive.

I have great headphones. I assume they are great, judging by the enthusiasm with which my dog chewed them up.

LOL TRex!!!

Why didn’t I think of that?

RonD @ 32

I have great headphones. I assume they are great, judging by the enthusiasm with which my dog chewed them up.

Mine all end up in someone else’s backpack. Along with every piece of audio equipment I’ve ever bought. Did I mention I live with teens?

TRex @ 17

What do you guys think of the clip? Can you hear the train or am I reading too much into it?

Hard to say if it’s coming from hearing the music or from the gorgeous word-picture you painted.

do headphones help speed up a dialup modem? ’cause i’m just seeing hearing any difference, trex

TRex @ 17

What do you guys think of the clip? Can you hear the train or am I reading too much into it?

I’m still watching frontline but I’ll listen for it.

Betsy, the best stereo I ever owned went to FSU with my son last year. He tells me it’s nice.

Bad news – I forgot that Frontline was going to be on tonight.

Good news – I was reminded last thread and set it up to record the 3am repeat. Thanks to Kathryn from MA for the fantastic summaries.

More good news – I walked more today, I got my much-delayed mammogram taken care of, and I’m feeling the energy of the universe.

TRex @ 31

Mah brutha iz not gay.

He are just festive.

I was aware of that, my point was it would provide an interesting comparison to their test results… *g*

Ok, it was 2 threads ago

RonD @ 38

Betsy, the best stereo I ever owned went to FSU with my son last year. He tells me it’s nice.

This never ends, does it?

Oops. Crooks and Liars John is on the phone.

Back in a bit.

that is good news, tj – i wonder do they use the same type of machinery when checking men for testicular cancer as they do for women’s breast cancer?

Elmore plugged his laptop into the stereo and we are playing the clip now….WOW TRex it is spectacular…

Happy birthday, Loo Hoo, LS, and all the other recent celebrants.

persiflage @ 35

TRex @ 17

What do you guys think of the clip? Can you hear the train or am I reading too much into it?

Hard to say if it’s coming from hearing the music or from the gorgeous word-picture you painted.

I was really enjoying it when Part 1 suddenly finished, quick change to Part 2. The music, though, is everything I love about Russian composers.

darkblack @ 46

Happy birthday, Loo Hoo, LS, and all the other recent celebrants.

Now that’s a pretty one.

Suzanne @ 44

that is good news, tj – i wonder do they use the same type of machinery when checking men for testicular cancer as they do for women’s breast cancer?

I suggested to my husband that he come in and watch. I think he must have been imagining something like that when he went totally white, lol.

Suzanne @ 44

that is good news, tj – i wonder do they use the same type of machinery when checking men for testicular cancer as they do for women’s breast cancer?

*ouch* That’s not very nice…!!! :P

Suzanne @ 44

that is good news, tj – i wonder do they use the same type of machinery when checking men for testicular cancer as they do for women’s breast cancer?

Only when the testicles are large enough to warrant it.

CTuttle @ 50

Suzanne @ 44

that is good news, tj – i wonder do they use the same type of machinery when checking men for testicular cancer as they do for women’s breast cancer?

*ouch* That’s not very nice…!!! :P

Well, what’s good for the goose….*wicked grin*

when have i ever claimed to be nice, ct?

alrighty, night y’all!

Suzanne @ 53

when have i ever claimed to be nice, ct?

She’s right, CT. That was all the rest of us saying that.

peanutbutter @ 54

alrighty, night y’all!

Nite, PB!!!

RonD @ 55

Suzanne @ 53

when have i ever claimed to be nice, ct?

She’s right, CT. That was all the rest of us saying that.

That is True…!!! ;-)

*waving to the leaving sleepy pups*

I like this. If memory serves, the trio was a tribute on the death of Tchaikovsky, though I might have my elegaic trios mixed up (there are a few by different composers).

Do not read this with a full stomach:

McCain Prays for No War With Iran
from wa po politics by LIZ SIDOTI

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Tuesday he prays every night the United States doesn’t go to war with Iran, and he blamed Russia and China for standing in the way of a diplomatic solution.

On a serious note, Suzanne, my wife has had multiple mammograms, a biopsy, and cyst treatment in the last few weeks. I have had quite enough of the effects of a mammography machine on the female psyche-I can’t believe there’s not a less painful way to do it. I do notice, however, that in all the years women have been suffering mammograms, no one-male or female-has come up with anything better, while the financial incentives to do so are vast.

TexBetsy @ 60

Do not read this with a full stomach:

McCain Prays for No War With Iran
from wa po politics by LIZ SIDOTI

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Tuesday he prays every night the United States doesn’t go to war with Iran, and he blamed Russia and China for standing in the way of a diplomatic solution.

deciphering the opposite speak:

mccain prays for war with iran every day and blames russia and china for standing in the way

I have no emotional difficulties with mammograms, but they MUST develop a better way for the disabled to do it without having to stand and lean for that length of time.

RonD @ 61

On a serious note, Suzanne, my wife has had multiple mammograms, a biopsy, and cyst treatment in the last few weeks. I have had quite enough of the effects of a mammography machine on the female psyche-I can’t believe there’s not a less painful way to do it. I do notice, however, that in all the years women have been suffering mammograms, no one-male or female-has come up with anything better, while the financial incentives to do so are vast.

Actually, it is well known that ultrasounds are more accurate. However, they are more labor intensive and insurance companies rule.

mccain prays for war with iran every day and blames russia and china for standing in the way

DING!

I’m greatly enjoying Arthur Schlesinger’s Journals 1952-2000. Some interesting highlights, Henry Kissinger’s description of the Nixon White House as having a “slightly homosexual, embattled atmosphere”. Schlesinger gives himself a kick in the pants for not following up. Also something I didn’t know was that, when leaving Halliburton for the WH, Halliburton gave him a “farewell present of $20 million” which he describes as “a pretty large bribe.” His early hatred of Leiberman is notable, as is his realization that the liberals are having their long-term support for a strong executive come home to roost.

A very good read.

RonD, I believe in my heart of hearts that there is another way – just it costs more and hey, women are used to pain, they have babies don’t they is the mindset of the tit-squishing device inventors – just as i know in my heart of heart that the minute that machine is designated as the standard for testicular cancer detection, a much less painful method would suddenly appear

TexBetsy @ 63

I have no emotional difficulties with mammograms, but they MUST develop a better way for the disabled to do it without having to stand and lean for that length of time.

I cant imagine that they can’t figure out a way to do it in a wheelchair. But either way, they should have approved an ultrasound for you.

first of seen of this one:

Pentagon wants one authority over contractors in Iraq
http://www.iht.com/articles/20…..kwater.php
from Amer – Herald Trib
Defense Secretary Robert Gates is pressing for the armed security contractors in Iraq to fall under a single authority, most likely the American military.

TJ @ 68

TexBetsy @ 63

I have no emotional difficulties with mammograms, but they MUST develop a better way for the disabled to do it without having to stand and lean for that length of time.

I cant imagine that they can’t figure out a way to do it in a wheelchair. But either way, they should have approved an ultrasound for you.

I will ask the next time.

Support wanes in U.S. for genocide vote
from Amer – Herald Trib
Worried about antagonizing Turkish leaders, House members from both parties have begun to withdraw their support from the resolution.

When I turned 50 I got a present from the government: free mammograms. I would have preferred champagne.

itwasntme @ 66

I’m greatly enjoying Arthur Schlesinger’s Journals 1952-2000. Some interesting highlights, Henry Kissinger’s description of the Nixon White House as having a “slightly homosexual, embattled atmosphere”. Schlesinger gives himself a kick in the pants for not following up. Also something I didn’t know was that, when leaving Halliburton for the WH, Halliburton gave him a “farewell present of $20 million” which he describes as “a pretty large bribe.” His early hatred of Leiberman is notable, as is his realization that the liberals are having their long-term support for a strong executive come home to roost.

A very good read.

Yeah? Mind expanding on that last point a little?

TexBetsy @ 60

Do not read this with a full stomach:

McCain Prays for No War With Iran
from wa po politics by LIZ SIDOTI

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Tuesday he prays every night the United States doesn’t go to war with Iran, and he blamed Russia and China for standing in the way of a diplomatic solution.

Oh right. He does so solemnly pray on his knees that Russian and Chinese interests will go away, so that he can goosestep across Asia?
There is something wrong with that man. Very, very wrong.

the only way to prepare for a mammo properly requires champagne

Myanmar still hunting dissidents
from AL JAZEERA
Military says 3,000 arrested as Dalai Lama and UN chief criticise crackdown.

“One feels that increasingly…the essence of communisim is not state owership of the means of producton…but state ownership of the means of information and communication.”

A. Schlessenger in 1982.

Prescient.

CTuttle @ 40

TRex @ 31

Mah brutha iz not gay.

He are just festive.

I was aware of that, my point was it would provide an interesting comparison to their test results… *g*

I think the investigators suggested that homosexuality is a polygenic trait…which means that many genes are involved. And there is a myth that needs to be dispelled that having a particular allele of a gene harwires that behavior. Different genes/alleles are differentially impacted by the environment. If the genes that are related to sexual preference are each 10% influenced by environmental factors, and there are 10 genes, then one could have individuals with the same genes all over the board.

Let’s say that one of the genes involved in sexuality preferences is related to the personality trait of individuation. That is there is a genetic factor that influenceswhether you model yourself tightly on those within your sibs, or, conversely, attempt to move away from such models. Identical twins with one allele (the one tending toward modelling after ones sib) would have much closer traits than a twin-pair that had the allelic version that tended to encourage being an “individual”.

There are likely scores of ways that different genes and environments influence sexual preferences. Some of these may shift during maturation. This may account for the cases where people that were “heterosexual” shifting to “homosexual” or vice versa. Some people may be more sensitive to environmental changes/pressures/restrictions than others in these situations and that would relate to those saying I was always “gay” deep down…to those that don’t. Then there are people who are attracted to other aspects of personality, rather than those that are linked to culturally based gender roles, that they feel attracted to members of either sex.

When the first claims of a “Gay Gene” came out based on chromosomal linkage patterns I was quite suspicious, since almost no other complex behavior is based purely on one gene. And the studies were already out showing that 50% of twin pairs with one homosexual twin the other is heterosexual. That showed the heritability of the genes was such that it wasn’t a “hard-wired” system based on one gene, and had a lot of epigenetic influences.

I was kind of curious, having recently got an MRI of the part of my spine behind my breasts, would that provide the same information? (maybe even better)

mri’s cost more per test

Suzanne @ 80

mri’s cost more per test

Yes, but I get them twice a year anyway. Entire spine.

Right. I just wondered if I could have skipped the mammogram.

RonD @ 61

On a serious note, Suzanne, my wife has had multiple mammograms, a biopsy, and cyst treatment in the last few weeks. I have had quite enough of the effects of a mammography machine on the female psyche-I can’t believe there’s not a less painful way to do it. I do notice, however, that in all the years women have been suffering mammograms, no one-male or female-has come up with anything better, while the financial incentives to do so are vast.

Well, here’s the deal, as far as I can tell. It’s a two step process. First off, you have to go get your boobs scraped off your chest, so that they can be clamped by the machine. If that provides and unclear answer, THEN you get ultrasound. Would you like that?

TexBetsy @ 60

Do not read this with a full stomach:

McCain Prays for No War With Iran
from wa po politics by LIZ SIDOTI

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Tuesday he prays every night the United States doesn’t go to war with Iran, and he blamed Russia and China for standing in the way of a diplomatic solution.

But he just can’t get that song “Bomb…Bomb…Bomb Iran” out of his head, can he? But I hate it when he reaches the falsetto part :-)

Thanks, darkblack. When is your birthday? (or do darkblack people celebrate something else?)

FRONTLINE IS GREAT!

TexBetsy @ 81

Suzanne @ 80

mri’s cost more per test

Yes, but I get them twice a year anyway. Entire spine.

Sheesh, you definitely need a place where you can have music.

Suzanne @ 67

RonD, I believe in my heart of hearts that there is another way – just it costs more and hey, women are used to pain, they have babies don’t they is the mindset of the tit-squishing device inventors – just as i know in my heart of heart that the minute that machine is designated as the standard for testicular cancer detection, a much less painful method would suddenly appear

OH, just read, Suz. Echo that.

TexBetsy @ 48

darkblack @ 46

Happy birthday, Loo Hoo, LS, and all the other recent celebrants.

Now that’s a pretty one.

It is for sure! Had to study it for a minute…

Suzanne @ 75

the only way to prepare for a mammo properly requires champagne

I don’t know if it’s because my perky puppies are losing their perk but the last few times weren’t as painful as the earlier ones. The first time I saw them turned into pancakes, my eyes just about fell out. Or it might be that I go to the government screening facility, staffed entirely by women, who do nothing but mammograms day in, day out.

Greetings, all.

The most annoying part of a mammogram for me is after the tech has squished me flat, she runs behind the machine to hit the button and says with a smile, “Ok, don’t move!”

Honey you’ve got my tit in a vise, trust me, I’m not going anywhere.

TJ @ 86

TexBetsy @ 81

Yes, but I get them twice a year anyway. Entire spine.

Sheesh, you definitely need a place where you can have music.

Nope. Just banging.

Just finished both parts. Gorgeous. Kempf Trio or whoever they are, are really good.

persiflage @ 89

Suzanne @ 75

the only way to prepare for a mammo properly requires champagne

I don’t know if it’s because my perky puppies are losing their perk but the last few times weren’t as painful as the earlier ones. The first time I saw them turned into pancakes, my eyes just about fell out. Or it might be that I go to the government screening facility, staffed entirely by women, who do nothing but mammograms day in, day out.

I must not be too sensitive, because I just feel discomfort. But I never looked down. That’s a scary thought.

TJ @ 79

I was kind of curious, having recently got an MRI of the part of my spine behind my breasts, would that provide the same information? (maybe even better)

That might not be so….. they target specific areas and depth

don’t evah look down, tj.. it will haunt your dreams

TexBetsy @ 91

TJ @ 86

Sheesh, you definitely need a place where you can have music.

Nope. Just banging.

You really don’t want to see the mental image I got with that ;-p

http://www.airamerica.com/node/5522

The Beat Goes On: Kids Start Sex at Same Age as Parents, Grandparents

from Air America Radio |

Next time your parents tell you that you should wait to have sex, just show them this survey. According to a new report entitled Sexual Health in Canada, is that adolescent sexual practices have remained largely unchanged for decades. Linda Capperauld, executive director of the Canadian Federation for Sexual Health said that the survey shows that “Young people aren’t having sex any younger than their parents or grandparents.”

HEALTH: SEXUAL BEHAVIOUR
Youth start sex at same age as their parents, grandparents did
Practices unchanged in decades, report says

TheOtherWA @ 90

Greetings, all.

The most annoying part of a mammogram for me is after the tech has squished me flat, she runs behind the machine to hit the button and says with a smile, “Ok, don’t move!”

Honey you’ve got my tit in a vise, trust me, I’m not going anywhere.

707!

TheOtherWA @ 90

Greetings, all.

The most annoying part of a mammogram for me is after the tech has squished me flat, she runs behind the machine to hit the button and says with a smile, “Ok, don’t move!”

Honey you’ve got my tit in a vise, trust me, I’m not going anywhere.

LOL. 707!

Valley Girl @ 83

RonD @ 61

On a serious note, Suzanne, my wife has had multiple mammograms, a biopsy, and cyst treatment in the last few weeks. I have had quite enough of the effects of a mammography machine on the female psyche-I can’t believe there’s not a less painful way to do it. I do notice, however, that in all the years women have been suffering mammograms, no one-male or female-has come up with anything better, while the financial incentives to do so are vast.

Well, here’s the deal, as far as I can tell. It’s a two step process. First off, you have to go get your boobs scraped off your chest, so that they can be clamped by the machine. If that provides and unclear answer, THEN you get ultrasound. Would you like that?

Don’t quite understand, but of course not. I would just like my wife, mother, daughter, and every other woman in the world to not have to go through what clearly appears to be an excruciating procedure at regular intervals.

katymine would know… katymine, is there any difference between mammo and ultrasound other than cost and time?

TJ @ 96

TexBetsy @ 91

Nope. Just banging.

You really don’t want to see the mental image I got with that ;-p

No, no I don’t. LOL

Schlessenger is a true-blue liberal without shame, which is refreshing to realize as you read along. The man is a wonderful writer, and althought I like to think I have a good vocabulary, I had to look up a few words, always a good sign that you might be reading something worthwhile.

His theory of political “cycles” of 20 years is pretty convincing, and his 50-year view of American politics is presented clearly and, since these are journals, spur of the moment thoughts prove wonderfully insightful.

http://texbetsy.headonradionet…..ming-lake/
church to put sewage into swimming lake
Published by Texas Betsy
October 16, 2007 in environment and Texas.

East Texans alarmed at church retreat’s sewage plan

from Star-Telegram

By BILL TEETERA
Grapevine megachurch’s proposal to dump treated wastewater from a planned retreat center in East Texas into a stream feeding a popular lake has nearby residents alarmed about the potential harm to swimming and fishing.

The 20,000-member Fellowship Church expects to spend $20 million to $30 million building the center on the shore of Lake Hawkins in Wood County near Mineola. Fellowship has applied for a permit from the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality to discharge an average of 40,000 gallons a day into the stream, just several hundred feet from the lake.

Some residents question why Fellowship must use the 776-acre spring-fed lake rather than two smaller lakes the church plans to build at its camp.

Suzanne @ 101

katymine would know… katymine, is there any difference between mammo and ultrasound other than cost and time?

Ultrasound a better diagnostic tool for breast tumors…..

I am having problems with my internet

prostratedragon @ 92

Just finished both parts. Gorgeous. Kempf Trio or whoever they are, are really good.

yup, very enjoyable.

the piano is paintly

cinnamonape @ 78

CTuttle @ 40

I was aware of that, my point was it would provide an interesting comparison to their test results… *g*

I think the investigators suggested that homosexuality is a polygenic trait…which means that many genes are involved. And there is a myth that needs to be dispelled that having a particular allele of a gene harwires that behavior. Different genes/alleles are differentially impacted by the environment. If the genes that are related to sexual preference are each 10% influenced by environmental factors, and there are 10 genes, then one could have individuals with the same genes all over the board.

Let’s say that one of the genes involved in sexuality preferences is related to the personality trait of individuation. That is there is a genetic factor that influenceswhether you model yourself tightly on those within your sibs, or, conversely, attempt to move away from such models. Identical twins with one allele (the one tending toward modelling after ones sib) would have much closer traits than a twin-pair that had the allelic version that tended to encourage being an “individual”.

There are likely scores of ways that different genes and environments influence sexual preferences. Some of these may shift during maturation. This may account for the cases where people that were “heterosexual” shifting to “homosexual” or vice versa. Some people may be more sensitive to environmental changes/pressures/restrictions than others in these situations and that would relate to those saying I was always “gay” deep down…to those that don’t. Then there are people who are attracted to other aspects of personality, rather than those that are linked to culturally based gender roles, that they feel attracted to members of either sex.

When the first claims of a “Gay Gene” came out based on chromosomal linkage patterns I was quite suspicious, since almost no other complex behavior is based purely on one gene. And the studies were already out showing that 50% of twin pairs with one homosexual twin the other is heterosexual. That showed the heritability of the genes was such that it wasn’t a “hard-wired” system based on one gene, and had a lot of epigenetic influences.

I understand that it mustn’t be tied to one specific ‘Gay Gene’, that it is tied to many, but, I’m wondering what type of environmental pressures would bear upon the individual…???

TJ @ 93

persiflage @ 89

I don’t know if it’s because my perky puppies are losing their perk but the last few times weren’t as painful as the earlier ones. The first time I saw them turned into pancakes, my eyes just about fell out. Or it might be that I go to the government screening facility, staffed entirely by women, who do nothing but mammograms day in, day out.

I must not be too sensitive, because I just feel discomfort. But I never looked down. That’s a scary thought.

TJ, the first time was real pain, now just mild discomfort. I can’t seem to help looking down, my curiosity is stronger than my “ack, don’t look at that” reaction.

Well, bout that time.
Goodnite everbody.

I’ve heard that ultrasound is far superior to mamo. Anybody know if that’s true?

So, if ultrasounds are the better diagnostic tool, why the fuck are we getting mammos?

cost… and the fucking attitude that women can handle pain because we have babies …

RonD @ 109

Well, bout that time.
Goodnite everbody.

Nite, Ron!!!

night all.

itwasntme @ 103

Schlessenger is a true-blue liberal without shame, which is refreshing to realize as you read along. The man is a wonderful writer, and althought I like to think I have a good vocabulary, I had to look up a few words, always a good sign that you might be reading something worthwhile.

His theory of political “cycles” of 20 years is pretty convincing, and his 50-year view of American politics is presented clearly and, since these are journals, spur of the moment thoughts prove wonderfully insightful.

Sounds like a good read. I didn’t really follow the quote but that mostly because Im caught in semantics.

…another meaningless aside: mamo tech and ultrasound tech make huge amounts of money. Good job in case anybody is looking to change careers.

When I got my first mammogram it hurt quite a bit. I was pretty heavy then, but after losing quite a bit of weight, the later mg’s didn’t hurt nearly as much. Of course, they weren’t perky anymore. The first place most women lose weight is in their breasts, so they were definitely smaller.

I’ve regained some of the weight, but the exams don’t hurt anything like the first one did. Thank God.

Don’t quite understand, but of course not. I would just like my wife, mother, daughter, and every other woman in the world to not have to go through what clearly appears to be an excruciating procedure at regular intervals.
—————————————–
RonD, on behalf of the other women of the world I thank you for your compassion .

TexBetsy @ 113

night all.

Sleep Well, Ma’am!!!

itwasntme @ 110

I’ve heard that ultrasound is far superior to mamo. Anybody know if that’s true?

My experience says YES. Never had a “conclusive” result from the ordinary clamp and bite mammogram. Always had to have ultrasound. But, then again, I don’t know for others how effective the ordinary clamp and bite mammograms are in revealing potential problems.

pain free sleep wishes tex

Each test pick up different things, mammo cannot pick up cysts but the ultrasound can. Actually I think they should do both.

Ultrasound is unable to image microcalcifications, tiny calcium deposits that are often the first indication of breast cancer.

Loo Hoo. @ 85

(or do darkblack people celebrate something else?)

Freedom.

…

Good night, FDL.

G’nite, DB!!!

TexBetsy @ 113

night all.

Sweet dreams!

katymine @ 121

Each test pick up different things, mammo cannot pick up cysts but the ultrasound can. Actually I think they should do both.

Ultrasound is unable to image microcalcifications, tiny calcium deposits that are often the first indication of breast cancer.

{{{katymine}}} I didn’t know that. I wish that ordinary mammograms could be made much less painful.

TheOtherWA @ 116

When I got my first mammogram it hurt quite a bit. I was pretty heavy then, but after losing quite a bit of weight, the later mg’s didn’t hurt nearly as much. Of course, they weren’t perky anymore. The first place most women lose weight is in their breasts, so they were definitely smaller.

I’ve regained some of the weight, but the exams don’t hurt anything like the first one did. Thank God.

Ah, now that I think of it, that might explain why my first ones hurt like the dickens, while later ones haven’t. I used to be kinda Rubenesque, now Im nore like a Picasso.

Suzanne @ 111

So, if ultrasounds are the better diagnostic tool, why the fuck are we getting mammos?

cost… and the fucking attitude that women can handle pain because we have babies …

The only time I’ve heard of ultrasound being used was when they were looking at something specific found on a mammogram. Would ultrasound work as an initial screening tool? I don’t know.

persiflage @ 126

TheOtherWA @ 116

When I got my first mammogram it hurt quite a bit. I was pretty heavy then, but after losing quite a bit of weight, the later mg’s didn’t hurt nearly as much. Of course, they weren’t perky anymore. The first place most women lose weight is in their breasts, so they were definitely smaller.

I’ve regained some of the weight, but the exams don’t hurt anything like the first one did. Thank God.

Ah, now that I think of it, that might explain why my first ones hurt like the dickens, while later ones haven’t. I used to be kinda Rubenesque, now Im nore like a Picasso.

707! Cool!

katymine @ 121

Each test pick up different things, mammo cannot pick up cysts but the ultrasound can. Actually I think they should do both.

Ultrasound is unable to image microcalcifications, tiny calcium deposits that are often the first indication of breast cancer.

So crush’em and then slather’em??? ;-)

Drivin’ by…just back from the LA Phil – Chamber music, including an unbelievably good performance of the Grieg String Quartet in G minor, Op. 27, performed by four members of the Orchestra who may, next week, be able to legally drink.

Or at least they looked that way to this middle-aged fogey.

CTuttle @ 129

katymine @ 121

Each test pick up different things, mammo cannot pick up cysts but the ultrasound can. Actually I think they should do both.

Ultrasound is unable to image microcalcifications, tiny calcium deposits that are often the first indication of breast cancer.

So crush’em and then slather’em??? ;-)

Yep, that pretty much sums up my experience.

VG – I just wish that ordinary mammograms could be made much less painful.

For years I went to a wonderful clinic in Oregon where the tech used to “heat” the mammogram with a heating pad so that when you “flopped” it up on the shelf, it was at least warm.

I would aim for a time during your cycle if you do cycle where breast tenderness would be less unless you live in Phoenix where I have to make next year appointment when I have this years mammogram because the waiting time is a year.

You should also complain, there should be pressure but NOT real pain.

persiflage

I used to be kinda Rubenesque, now Im nore like a Picasso.

You have a beautiful way with words. I guess that means I’m back to being Rubenesque. *g*

katymine @ 132

VG – I just wish that ordinary mammograms could be made much less painful.

For years I went to a wonderful clinic in Oregon where the tech used to “heat” the mammogram with a heating pad so that when you “flopped” it up on the shelf, it was at least warm.

I would aim for a time during your cycle if you do cycle where breast tenderness would be less unless you live in Phoenix where I have to make next year appointment when I have this years mammogram because the waiting time is a year.

You should also complain, there should be pressure but NOT real pain.

LOL, Katymine! Well, mine could never be flopped on the shelf. Sigh. Had to be scraped off my chest. Much better, now that I have gained weight! ;)

Good night sleepy ones.

katymine, now you’ve got me wondering why I take a calcium supplement…

to keep your bones strong, loohoo – is why i take it

Ha! Talk about coinkydinks. I just got my mail and in a letter that says :

“Dear Persi,
We would like to remind you that you are now due for your next screening mammogram.”

I have to confess to not having a mamo for years. I had them regularly, once had a biopsy, and once a needle extraction of what turned out to be body oil. Costly and needless panic twice. Maybe I’ll get another one sometiime, but right now I could care less.

Loo Hoo. @ 135

Good night sleepy ones.

katymine, now you’ve got me wondering why I take a calcium supplement…

Osteopenia and Osteoporosis are the reasons…

If you drink soda then more so, the phosphorus in soda leach the calcium from your system.

Hi MP! Sounds like a good evening, which reminds me that I need to listen to TRex’s YouTube.

itwasntme @ 138

I have to confess to not having a mamo for years. I had them regularly, once had a biopsy, and once a needle extraction of what turned out to be body oil. Costly and needless panic twice. Maybe I’ll get another one sometiime, but right now I could care less.

I can understand why you’d be reluctant to do that again. But getting an occasional mammogram is better than nothing. Depends on family history too. *nudge, nudge* :)

the composer lifts his pen and begins to write…”

“I can end your life with a stroke of my pen” or “set you free like Scooter Libby” “with a stroke of a pen”

TheOtherWA… I lost 65 lbs between 2002-2003 and when I went to my next mammo the tech looked at me and my old xrays and asked me if I had lost weight. She was upset because she felt that they could not do a good comparison from previous years with the weight loss. Again in 2005 I lost another 30 lbs and received that look even more so from the mammo tech. So when I say flop it on the shelf I know what I am talking about.

And now for something completely different …

This NYT editorial lays out what seems to be to be a perfectly sensible approach to the Mukasey confirmation hearings. Which means that it’s highly unlikely to be followed by SJC, alas.

TheOtherWA @ 133

persiflage

I used to be kinda Rubenesque, now Im nore like a Picasso.

You have a beautiful way with words. I guess that means I’m back to being Rubenesque. *g*

Aww (blushes) thanks OtherWA. That means a lot to me. There’s nothing wrong with Rubenesque, especially the way Rubens painted them: beautiful, strong, healthy and alluring.

I just read this in a newletter I subscribe to but don’t have the original link.

The BBC reports:

A number of voters in Argentina are seeking to auction off their votes on the internet ahead of the presidential election later this month. Opening prices for the votes range from 1 peso ($0.30) to 300 pesos ($95). Argentine electoral authorities say they can do little to stop the practice because it falls into a legal vacuum.

persi, i guess they never thought about turning off the vacuum? plugging the hole? egad

persiflage @ 145

TheOtherWA @ 133

persiflage

You have a beautiful way with words. I guess that means I’m back to being Rubenesque. *g*

Aww (blushes) thanks OtherWA. That means a lot to me. There’s nothing wrong with Rubenesque, especially the way Rubens painted them: beautiful, strong, healthy and alluring.

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

standing on chair clapping, pun tis a masterpiece

Loo Hoo. @ 140

Hi MP! Sounds like a good evening, which reminds me that I need to listen to TRex’s YouTube.

It was plenty nice. And I am plenty tarred…it’s time for zzzzz’s.

katymine @ 144

TheOtherWA… I lost 65 lbs between 2002-2003 and when I went to my next mammo the tech looked at me and my old xrays and asked me if I had lost weight. She was upset because she felt that they could not do a good comparison from previous years with the weight loss. Again in 2005 I lost another 30 lbs and received that look even more so from the mammo tech. So when I say flop it on the shelf I know what I am talking about.

Wow. The tech said that? The techs doing my mg’s never had my old films, although the radiologists do when they read them. Holy cow!

That just seems counter intuitive to me. Less breast tissue should be easier to read. *shrug*

Happy Birthday Suzanne!

katymine @ 139

Loo Hoo. @ 135

Good night sleepy ones.

katymine, now you’ve got me wondering why I take a calcium supplement…

Osteopenia and Osteoporosis are the reasons…

If you drink soda then more so, the phosphorus in soda leach the calcium from your system.

{{{katymine}}} I was intrigued by your comment, and went off to google. I confess I have not read this in detail yet, but offer it for anyone who wants to pursue your info.

soda/phosphorus/calcium/osteopororsis

persiflage @ 146

I just read this in a newletter I subscribe to but don’t have the original link.

The BBC reports:

A number of voters in Argentina are seeking to auction off their votes on the internet ahead of the presidential election later this month. Opening prices for the votes range from 1 peso ($0.30) to 300 pesos ($95). Argentine electoral authorities say they can do little to stop the practice because it falls into a legal vacuum.

well shit, howz that for a GOTV campaign *g

hey spidey… nice to see ya at the lake and thanks

…a day late and a dollar short

punaise @ 148

persiflage @ 145

Aww (blushes) thanks OtherWA. That means a lot to me. There’s nothing wrong with Rubenesque, especially the way Rubens painted them: beautiful, strong, healthy and alluring.

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

groans, good one!

I do wonder what they’re going to do about me when i have to start having mammograms. Granted that probably won’t be for about 20 years now, since i’m still young, by all accounts.

I literally have nothing to flop on the shelf! So either they get around to developing something better by then or i have no idea how they’re going to manage it.

TRex, sounds to me like something horrible is about to happen in a relationship. In fact, this would be a perfect soundtrack for a Miss Marple mystery. I don’t hear the train. You can hear it clearly, though, in Orange Blossom Special!

Mutant Poodle @ 150

Loo Hoo. @ 140

Hi MP! Sounds like a good evening, which reminds me that I need to listen to TRex’s YouTube.

It was plenty nice. And I am plenty tarred…it’s time for zzzzz’s.

the symphony hall is near the La Brea Tar Pits?

persiflage @ 145

TheOtherWA @ 133

persiflage

You have a beautiful way with words. I guess that means I’m back to being Rubenesque. *g*

Aww (blushes) thanks OtherWA. That means a lot to me. There’s nothing wrong with Rubenesque, especially the way Rubens painted them: beautiful, strong, healthy and alluring.

I agree. They always looked healthy, robust and sexy. Just gotta find me a man that feels the same way.

Suzanne @ 149

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

standing on chair clapping, pun tis a masterpiece

I pain with words.

Suzanne @ 147

persi, i guess they never thought about turning off the vacuum? plugging the hole? egad

I’m sure they will, the technology’s just too new for legislators to have ever thought about banning it. It’s no-go here though because our law says you can’t sell your vote. Darned anti-capitalist legislators!

TheOtherWA @ 151

Wow. The tech said that? The techs doing my mg’s never had my old films, although the radiologists do when they read them. Holy cow!

That just seems counter intuitive to me. Less breast tissue should be easier to read. *shrug*

One of the parts of breast diagnostics is comparison of previous films.

My smaller less firm breasts were easier to do the mammogram but markers and shape are different which makes the comparison part difficult.

That is why when you go to a new clinic you should have copies of your old films for them to use. If you move out of state, get copies for the same reason.

persiflage @ 146

I just read this in a newletter I subscribe to but don’t have the original link.

The BBC reports:

A number of voters in Argentina are seeking to auction off their votes on the internet ahead of the presidential election later this month. Opening prices for the votes range from 1 peso ($0.30) to 300 pesos ($95). Argentine electoral authorities say they can do little to stop the practice because it falls into a legal vacuum.

Sheesh. Karl’s been looking into that.

So, Katymine. You lost 100 pounds. Congratulations to you!

aliasofwestgate @ 158

I do wonder what they’re going to do about me when i have to start having mammograms. Granted that probably won’t be for about 20 years now, since i’m still young, by all accounts.

I literally have nothing to flop on the shelf! So either they get around to developing something better by then or i have no idea how they’re going to manage it.

Uh… as I said in comments above, they will scrape your boobs off your chest. I am speaking from experience. But, don’t let that put you off. ;)

TheOtherWA @ 161

persiflage @ 145

Aww (blushes) thanks OtherWA. That means a lot to me. There’s nothing wrong with Rubenesque, especially the way Rubens painted them: beautiful, strong, healthy and alluring.

I agree. They always looked healthy, robust and sexy. Just gotta find me a man that feels the same way.

I like Rubenesque :)

punaise @ 162

Suzanne @ 149

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

standing on chair clapping, pun tis a masterpiece

I pain with words.

yes you do, lol. I like your humour, just wish I was faster.

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

—————
Pun, you are a true master of the form, but I’ll give it a go. Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

todd beeton at My DD on cnn’s poll numbers:

One notable result from the poll, and one that should be somewhat worrying for the Clinton campaign, is that Clinton beats Giuliani in a head to head match-up by only 2 points, 49%-47% (essentially a tie) whereas a generic Democrat beats a generic Republican 52%-39%. If this gap between Clinton’s polled performance against Giuliani and that of a generic Dem is an indicator of a larger trend, this could signify a downside to a Clinton candidacy against Giuliani in particular. It also could signal a weakening on her part in the general, especially in light of this chart from Bowers that shows she’d achieved a minimum advantage of 3 points over Rudy since August, but that’s too early to tell from just this poll. Interestingly, Al Gore performs better against Giuliani than Clinton does, 52%-46%.

(my bold)

SPIDERPAWS!!!

I guess this is big news that hasn’t hit the national political scene yet:

Alaska’s new AG, Talis Colberg (I’ve started pronouncing his name Colber…), sent some people to watch the Tom Anderson and Pete Kott trials. They were GOP legislators stung by the FBI for taking bribes from VECO in the name of Big oil. Colber… needed to know what state laws might have also been violated by these guys and what implications this might have for many things. Colber… came in after the Big oil bribe scam took place, with the election of the Sarah Palin administration, which has been the maverick takeover of the GOP from the oil crooks.

Anyway, Colber… is an old friend of mine who was dissed by the old school pols when he came in because he had no ties to the oil industry and would rather garden than kill animals. He got a letter today from the DOJ people handling the corruption investigation, telling him to back off – they’re nowhere near being done yet.

As what Colber… was investigating had nothing to do with Ted Stevens or Don Young – they’re both under investigation by rthe FBI, BTW – this is strong evidence that the Feds have a long way to go with just dealing with the architecture of in-state political corruption here in Alaska.

Loo Hoo – So, Katymine. You lost 100 pounds. Congratulations to you!
Thank you… at least I kept off the 65 lbs

Well, there this point of regain… I lost the 65 then regained 15 then lost the 30 then regained the 15… At least I am still in size 12 jeans. Now that I have this tumor stuff over with…. I am going to get back to fighting weight.

Punaise! You are a real master. Now, to complete the luv we feel for you, maybe you can go get a mammogram, and report back. I know it would take some doing, but I’m sure you can manage.

wow et

persiflage @ 169

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

—————
Pun, you are a true master of the form, but I’ll give it a go. Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

you two are on a roll.

persiflage @ 169

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

—————
Pun, you are a true master of the form, but I’ll give it a go. Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

“ain’t nothing wrong with a Botty call!”

tw3k @ 154

persiflage @ 146

I just read this in a newletter I subscribe to but don’t have the original link.

The BBC reports:

A number of voters in Argentina are seeking to auction off their votes on the internet ahead of the presidential election later this month. Opening prices for the votes range from 1 peso ($0.30) to 300 pesos ($95). Argentine electoral authorities say they can do little to stop the practice because it falls into a legal vacuum.

well shit, howz that for a GOTV campaign *g

The more I think about it, the more acceptable it is. After all, they try to buy your vote by dangling plans and policies that you support right under your nose. Selling your vote is the same thing but on a one-on-one basis. And at least you actually get cash, not the bitterness and frustration of broken promises.

persiflage @ 169

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

—————
Pun, you are a true master of the form, but I’ll give it a go. Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

vincent wouldn’t gough for him tho.

ET – Alaska’s Address Book.
Cold up there tonight?

Thanks katymine and Valley Girl. Just took an extra dose of calcium!

yellowdog jim @ 170

todd beeton at My DD on cnn’s poll numbers:

One notable result from the poll, and one that should be somewhat worrying for the Clinton campaign, is that Clinton beats Giuliani in a head to head match-up by only 2 points, 49%-47% (essentially a tie) whereas a generic Democrat beats a generic Republican 52%-39%. If this gap between Clinton’s polled performance against Giuliani and that of a generic Dem is an indicator of a larger trend, this could signify a downside to a Clinton candidacy against Giuliani in particular. It also could signal a weakening on her part in the general, especially in light of this chart from Bowers that shows she’d achieved a minimum advantage of 3 points over Rudy since August, but that’s too early to tell from just this poll. Interestingly, Al Gore performs better against Giuliani than Clinton does, 52%-46%.

(my bold)

dKos on it too

katymine

That is why when you go to a new clinic you should have copies of your old films for them to use. If you move out of state, get copies for the same reason.

Oh yeah, did that. My local healthcare folks have them all, and if I ever move again, they’ll go with me.

Ed*ard Teller @ 172

I guess this is big news that hasn’t hit the national political scene yet:

Alaska’s new AG, Talis Colberg (I’ve started pronouncing his name Colber…), sent some people to watch the Tom Anderson and Pete Kott trials. They were GOP legislators stung by the FBI for taking bribes from VECO in the name of Big oil. Colber… needed to know what state laws might have also been violated by these guys and what implications this might have for many things. Colber… came in after the Big oil bribe scam took place, with the election of the Sarah Palin administration, which has been the maverick takeover of the GOP from the oil crooks.

Anyway, Colber… is an old friend of mine who was dissed by the old school pols when he came in because he had no ties to the oil industry and would rather garden than kill animals. He got a letter today from the DOJ people handling the corruption investigation, telling him to back off – they’re nowhere near being done yet.

As what Colber… was investigating had nothing to do with Ted Stevens or Don Young – they’re both under investigation by rthe FBI, BTW – this is strong evidence that the Feds have a long way to go with just dealing with the architecture of in-state political corruption here in Alaska.

ET, I just read the news link- about “backing off”— is this good news or bad news?

TRex @ 17

What do you guys think of the clip? Can you hear the train or am I reading too much into it?

The sound quality on the speakers to this computer suck so I’m not getting a lot of the nuances to the piece. What I can hear, I’m enjoying.

I don’t know about the train but I can hear sorrow tinged with anger.

Way back when I was in high school, a friend of mine was a gifted pianist whose favorite composer was Rachmaninoff. I lost tabs with my friend over the years until recently when I learned he had been killed in a car accident.

This piece reminded me of Jerry. Not sad memories, but of the young man with the long hair bent over the grand piano and creating the most beautiful music I’d ever heard.

Thank you, Trex.

tw3k

I like Rubenesque :)

*bats eyelashes*

OtherWA: I agree. They always looked healthy, robust and sexy. Just gotta find me a man that feels the same way.
————————————-

There are lots of men who prefer a real woman to a stick insect. It’s we women who are obsessed with being a size 2.

Valley Girl @ 174

Punaise! You are a real master. Now, to complete the luv we feel for you, maybe you can go get a mammogram, and report back. I know it would take some doing, but I’m sure you can manage.

huh. I can empathize, but have to work on developing those man-boobs first…

persiflage @ 169

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

—————
Pun, you are a true master of the form, but I’ll give it a go. Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

Attagirl Persiflage, batting for the Commonwealth …

Ed*ard Teller @ 172

I guess this is big news that hasn’t hit the national political scene yet:

Alaska’s new AG, Talis Colberg (I’ve started pronouncing his name Colber…), sent some people to watch the Tom Anderson and Pete Kott trials. They were GOP legislators stung by the FBI for taking bribes from VECO in the name of Big oil. Colber… needed to know what state laws might have also been violated by these guys and what implications this might have for many things. Colber… came in after the Big oil bribe scam took place, with the election of the Sarah Palin administration, which has been the maverick takeover of the GOP from the oil crooks.

Anyway, Colber… is an old friend of mine who was dissed by the old school pols when he came in because he had no ties to the oil industry and would rather garden than kill animals. He got a letter today from the DOJ people handling the corruption investigation, telling him to back off – they’re nowhere near being done yet.

As what Colber… was investigating had nothing to do with Ted Stevens or Don Young – they’re both under investigation by rthe FBI, BTW – this is strong evidence that the Feds have a long way to go with just dealing with the architecture of in-state political corruption here in Alaska.

ET, check this post at TPM muckraker…

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004470.php

Petrocelli @ 189

persiflage @ 169

Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

Attagirl Persiflage, batting for the Commonwealth …

there’s more Titian six feet under.

CTuttle @ 129

So crush’em and then slather’em??? ;-)

CT, I’m SURE I don’t have to tell ya to hug ‘em, kiss them, love them, support them.

And love the rest that comes with them.

For those boobs belonging to those OTHER n yer wife or partners/lovers, adjust as needed, but don’t be skimpin on the love and support.

None of us would be here without them, and dammit all, they seem more predisposed to peace than our side of the species . . women, that is, not just the breasts . . . bless our women folk.

And I’m NOT a wuss . . . ;-)

Petrocelli @ 189

persiflage @ 169

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

—————
Pun, you are a true master of the form, but I’ll give it a go. Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

Attagirl Persiflage, batting for the Commonwealth …

Careful, it’s a sticky wicket…!!!

persiflage @ 187

OtherWA: I agree. They always looked healthy, robust and sexy. Just gotta find me a man that feels the same way.
————————————-

There are lots of men who prefer a real woman to a stick insect. It’s we women who are obsessed with being a size 2.

Let me clarify re: some of my previous comments. I was never stick skinny by choice. I bought and studied books like “The most fattening foods”, to no avail.

TJ @ 79

I was kind of curious, having recently got an MRI of the part of my spine behind my breasts, would that provide the same information? (maybe even better)

No. MRIs are not as ‘fine’ when dealing with soft tissues like that of the breast, which is why xrays are still ‘the best’ or an ultrasound when looking for something specific.

punaise @ 191

Petrocelli @ 189

Attagirl Persiflage, batting for the Commonwealth …

there’s more Titian six feet under.

Punaise, you are the Bradman of Quips … a great compliment indeed !

mui @ 74

TexBetsy @ 60

Do not read this with a full stomach:

McCain Prays for No War With Iran
from wa po politics by LIZ SIDOTI

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Tuesday he prays every night the United States doesn’t go to war with Iran, and he blamed Russia and China for standing in the way of a diplomatic solution.

Oh right. He does so solemnly pray on his knees that Russian and Chinese interests will go away, so that he can goosestep across Asia?
There is something wrong with that man. Very, very wrong.

Phreakin Russia and China are two of the ONLYIEST reasons we won’t be doing Iran.

Dawg willin, that is . . . . irony, the planet is saved from utter destruction perpetuated by USA because Russia and China put us on notice.

I loves me my political irony.

tw3k @ 182

dKos on it too

NYPopulist says there:

If he’s getting in, it’s going to be within the next two weeks. Here’s to hoping for an October surprise.

one wonders how that time frame is arrived at and by whom all.

howdy ‘pups!

i just woke up from a nightmare, only to find you-all disecting the joys of mammograms.

persiflage @ 178

tw3k @ 154

well shit, howz that for a GOTV campaign *g

The more I think about it, the more acceptable it is. After all, they try to buy your vote by dangling plans and policies that you support right under your nose. Selling your vote is the same thing but on a one-on-one basis. And at least you actually get cash, not the bitterness and frustration of broken promises.

Well, I’m sure it’d get out more votes and it’d save a lot of time and money trying to program the vote.

Valley Girl @ 184

Dunno… The scuttlebutt for more than a week has been between 10 and 15 new indictments by the end of the month. But with that amount of pushback, I’d expect there to be a new Grand Jury empaneled before November 1, because the current one expires at the end of this month. There has been more Fed action against sitting GOP crooks here in Alaska this past year than in any other state in the Union. But I keep asking myself “In a Department of Justice as corrupt as this one, who stands to benefit from this paradigm shift in domestic oil politics?”

Valley Girl @ 184

Ed*ard Teller @ 172

I guess this is big news that hasn’t hit the national political scene yet:

Alaska’s new AG, Talis Colberg (I’ve started pronouncing his name Colber…), sent some people to watch the Tom Anderson and Pete Kott trials. They were GOP legislators stung by the FBI for taking bribes from VECO in the name of Big oil. Colber… needed to know what state laws might have also been violated by these guys and what implications this might have for many things. Colber… came in after the Big oil bribe scam took place, with the election of the Sarah Palin administration, which has been the maverick takeover of the GOP from the oil crooks.

Anyway, Colber… is an old friend of mine who was dissed by the old school pols when he came in because he had no ties to the oil industry and would rather garden than kill animals. He got a letter today from the DOJ people handling the corruption investigation, telling him to back off – they’re nowhere near being done yet.

As what Colber… was investigating had nothing to do with Ted Stevens or Don Young – they’re both under investigation by rthe FBI, BTW – this is strong evidence that the Feds have a long way to go with just dealing with the architecture of in-state political corruption here in Alaska.

ET, I just read the news link- about “backing off”— is this good news or bad news?

Sounds like an honest AG up against a politicized DOJ :/

Petrocelli @ 189

persiflage @ 169

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

—————
Pun, you are a true master of the form, but I’ll give it a go. Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

Attagirl Persiflage, batting for the Commonwealth …

Petro! Your pixels are a sight for sore eyes! Soooo glad you weren’t here when Oz tanked the 20-20 series AND the rugby.

selise @ 199

howdy ‘pups!

i just woke up from a nightmare, only to find you-all disecting the joys of mammograms.

Did you watch Frontline before bed ?

Valley Girl

Let me clarify re: some of my previous comments. I was never stick skinny by choice. I bought and studied books like “The most fattening foods”, to no avail.

Understood. Many of us have trouble controlling our weight. Too light and too heavy are just opposite ends of the same scale.

Petrocelli @ 195

punaise @ 191

there’s more Titian six feet under.

Punaise, you are the Bradman of Quips … a great compliment indeed !

merci! another quip prod quo

TheOtherWA @ 186

tw3k

I like Rubenesque :)

*bats eyelashes*

* blushes and smiles *

tw3k @ 167

I like Rubenesque :)

i prefer Esque more than Rube.

folks gotta be able to enjoy a good meal.

Suzanne @ 179

persiflage @ 169

you could think of it as your Pre-laugh-feel-light period

—————
Pun, you are a true master of the form, but I’ll give it a go. Rubens was a real fan of Botty Jelly.

vincent wouldn’t gough for him tho.

Vincent was only in it for the Monet.

persiflage @ 203

Petrocelli @ 189

Attagirl Persiflage, batting for the Commonwealth …

Petro! Your pixels are a sight for sore eyes! Soooo glad you weren’t here when Oz tanked the 20-20 series AND the rugby.

Those 20-20 matches were insane and if Oz won every tournament, Bush might claim you had WMDs and invaded … *g*

pun and persi are word Mattes

Loo Hoo. @ 181

Thanks katymine and Valley Girl. Just took an extra dose of calcium!

Addmy thanks to that too. I didn’t know about the phosphorous / fizzy drink connection. I’l start calcium supplements as soon and I can buy some.

Suzanne @ 210

pun and persi are word Mattes

you Goya, girl…

persiflage @ 209

Suzanne @ 179

vincent wouldn’t gough for him tho.

Vincent was only in it for the Monet.

… and Persi sends another one sailing into the stands …

Petrocelli @ 203

selise @ 199

howdy ‘pups!

i just woke up from a nightmare, only to find you-all disecting the joys of mammograms.

Did you watch Frontline before bed ?

yes. but it was dreaming of fisa that woke me up. :(

Petrocelli @ 202

selise @ 199

howdy ‘pups!

i just woke up from a nightmare, only to find you-all disecting the joys of mammograms.

Did you watch Frontline before bed ?

*sigh* Nova is just winding down now, finally I get to watch it…!!! *g*

ET, I don’t get it. Are you saying that the feds are really going to do more, or that they want Colber to back off?

Petrocelli @ 203

selise @ 199

howdy ‘pups!

i just woke up from a nightmare, only to find you-all disecting the joys of mammograms.

Did you watch Frontline before bed ?

Yeah, so Jack Goldsmith was in the room when Gonzales and Card came to the hospital to see Ashcroft? What happened to Comey? Didn’t Comey say he was there?

I had to sit up on the couch for that disclosure!

Petrocelli @ 213

persiflage @ 209

Vincent was only in it for the Monet.

… and Persi sends another one sailing into the stands …

says who? Cezanne.

Ed*ard Teller @ 172

I guess this is big news that hasn’t hit the national political scene yet:

Alaska’s new AG, Talis Colberg (I’ve started pronouncing his name Colber…), sent some people to watch the Tom Anderson and Pete Kott trials. They were GOP legislators stung by the FBI for taking bribes from VECO in the name of Big oil. Colber… needed to know what state laws might have also been violated by these guys and what implications this might have for many things. Colber… came in after the Big oil bribe scam took place, with the election of the Sarah Palin administration, which has been the maverick takeover of the GOP from the oil crooks.

Anyway, Colber… is an old friend of mine who was dissed by the old school pols when he came in because he had no ties to the oil industry and would rather garden than kill animals. He got a letter today from the DOJ people handling the corruption investigation, telling him to back off – they’re nowhere near being done yet.

As what Colber… was investigating had nothing to do with Ted Stevens or Don Young – they’re both under investigation by rthe FBI, BTW – this is strong evidence that the Feds have a long way to go with just dealing with the architecture of in-state political corruption here in Alaska.

Hey Soos . . . . tell yer pally wally to make copies of all pertinent doc’s, and mail them to someone of value, in case of an ‘accident’ . .

Damn them bastids . . . damn them all. N thanks for sharing, ET . . .

katymine @ 173

Loo Hoo – So, Katymine. You lost 100 pounds. Congratulations to you!
Thank you… at least I kept off the 65 lbs

Well, there this point of regain… I lost the 65 then regained 15 then lost the 30 then regained the 15… At least I am still in size 12 jeans. Now that I have this tumor stuff over with…. I am going to get back to fighting weight.

You looked GREAT in Chicago!

selise @ 215

Petrocelli @ 203

Did you watch Frontline before bed ?

yes. but it was dreaming of fisa that woke me up. :(

Not to worry, Specter says the Telcos aren’t getting retroactive immunity … wait, it’s always opposites day in Rep. land …

punaise @ 219

Petrocelli @ 213

… and Persi sends another one sailing into the stands …

says who? Cezanne.

you rang, pun?

Wordsmith @ 218

What happened to Comey?

Both in the room, and Pat Filbin, too.

punaise @ 218

Petrocelli @ 213

… and Persi sends another one sailing into the stands …

says who? Cezanne.

I bow before the master, punaise. Bravo!

punaise @ 217

Petrocelli @ 213

… and Persi sends another one sailing into the stands …

says who? Cezanne.

One of your bestest ever. I hope Suz noticed.

Valley Girl @ 193

persiflage @ 187

OtherWA: I agree. They always looked healthy, robust and sexy. Just gotta find me a man that feels the same way.
————————————-

There are lots of men who prefer a real woman to a stick insect. It’s we women who are obsessed with being a size 2.

Let me clarify re: some of my previous comments. I was never stick skinny by choice. I bought and studied books like “The most fattening foods”, to no avail.

My sister is the same. She used to eat malt by the tablespoon but no change. She is, and has always been, slender, svelte and lissome but never skinny. Call her that and you find out that skinny people can still pack a punch. She is the only one in the family. My other sisters and I are capable of putting on weight just by walking past a cakeshop.

Suzanne @ 221

punaise @ 219

says who? Cezanne.

you rang, pun?

whatever gave you that impressionist?

yellowdog jim @ 198

tw3k @ 182

dKos on it too

NYPopulist says there:

If he’s getting in, it’s going to be within the next two weeks. Here’s to hoping for an October surprise.

one wonders how that time frame is arrived at and by whom all.

beats me

Wordsmith @ 218

Petrocelli @ 203

Did you watch Frontline before bed ?

Yeah, so Jack Goldsmith was in the room when Gonzales and Card came to the hospital to see Ashcroft? What happened to Comey? Didn’t Comey say he was there?

I had to sit up on the couch for that disclosure!

Goldsmith’s recollection was exactly the same as Comey’s …

Petrocelli @ 220

selise @ 215

yes. but it was dreaming of fisa that woke me up. :(

Not to worry, Specter says the Telcos aren’t getting retroactive immunity … wait, it’s always opposites day in Rep. land …

and the house is set to give the telcos prospective immunity and basket warrants tomorrow.

i’m seriously bummed that we never lobbied hard for the holt bill, which is still stuck in committee.

newtonusr @ 222

Wordsmith @ 218

What happened to Comey?

Both in the room, and Pat Filbin, too.

Why was Filbin there? Did he come with Comey? No – Comey call him?

selise @ 199

howdy ‘pups!

i just woke up from a nightmare, only to find you-all disecting the joys of mammograms.

yeah, all the gals are putting em on the table tonight.

Well, I’m gonna watch it and my man-cub wants on the ‘puter, I shall bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

Suzanne @ 221

punaise @ 219

says who? Cezanne.

you rang, pun?

DING! DING! DING!
(w.c. fields’ voice)
“Give the Little Lady a cigar!”

Thank you Loo Hoo… well now that I got my internet working I am going to drag Elmore to bed and snuggle…..

see ya tomorrow… have a goodnight and sweet dreams…

g’nite Dahl-ings, time for me head off to bed

punaise @ 224

Suzanne @ 221

you rang, pun?

whatever gave you that impressionist?

Crikey! This is just like the old days at FDL! Lovin’ it. xxoo Pun!

Loo Hoo. @ 217

ET, I don’t get it. Are you saying that the feds are really going to do more, or that they want Colber to back off?

They’re saying that they are investigating and don’t want the state to muck their investigation by crossing the same ground. I’m saying that I wonder why the timeline is starting to get kinky. It makes no sense to me that, nine months after the former legislature and gubernatorial administration went down, that this is taking as long as it is. Either the DOJ is slowing the cases past the statute of limitations or into the next presidential administration, or this is fucking HUGE.

Valley Girl @ 236

punaise @ 224

whatever gave you that impressionist?

Crikey! This is just like the old days at FDL! Lovin’ it. xxoo Pun!

that said, now time for me to be Mondrian down the hallway….

gunnite, all.

tw3k @ 182

yellowdog jim @ 170

todd beeton at My DD on cnn’s poll numbers:

(my bold)

dKos on it too

Hillary’s treading water and biding her time. She hasn’t even brought out the Big Dog yet.

yellowdog jim @ 208

tw3k @ 167

I like Rubenesque :)

i prefer Esque more than Rube.

folks gotta be able to enjoy a good meal.

well that throws a different light on Rubens!

newtonusr @ 223

Wordsmith @ 218

What happened to Comey?

Both in the room, and Pat Filbin, too.

… along with Mrs. Ashcroft and a few Feds. Was it Goldsmith who said that Mrs. Ashcroft stuck her tongue out at Gonzo’s back ?

lovin’ the puns. thank you-all for the smiles.

i’m too verbally slow witted to participate, but i’m enjoying it from the bleachers.

Nite, CTuttle, Katymine and Suzanne. Gentle, sweet dreams to you all.

Wordsmith @ 232

newtonusr @ 222

Both in the room, and Pat Filbin, too.

Why was Filbin there? Did he come with Comey? No – Comey call him?

As to why they were there, I don’t know. They may have been with Comey in the car, or arrived before AbuG and Card. But in the hearing @ SJC, Comey detailed them in the room.

CTuttle @ 233

Well, I’m gonna watch it and my man-cub wants on the ‘puter, I shall bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

G’ nite CT !

G’ nite Suz !

Petrocelli @ 208

persiflage @ 203

Petro! Your pixels are a sight for sore eyes! Soooo glad you weren’t here when Oz tanked the 20-20 series AND the rugby.

Those 20-20 matches were insane and if Oz won every tournament, Bush might claim you had WMDs and invaded … *g*

As long as they’re sports Americans don’t play I think we’re fairly safe.

Petrocelli @ 241

newtonusr @ 223

Both in the room, and Pat Filbin, too.

… along with Mrs. Ashcroft and a few Feds. Was it Goldsmith who said that Mrs. Ashcroft stuck her tongue out at Gonzo’s back ?

That was, I believe, Comey

Valley Girl @ 194

persiflage @ 187

OtherWA: I agree. They always looked healthy, robust and sexy. Just gotta find me a man that feels the same way.
————————————-

There are lots of men who prefer a real woman to a stick insect. It’s we women who are obsessed with being a size 2.

Let me clarify re: some of my previous comments. I was never stick skinny by choice. I bought and studied books like “The most fattening foods”, to no avail.

I still get told i need to gain weight myself, VG. *laughs* It’s not like i’m this tiny by choice! I like being petite but there’s no way in hell i’ll ever want a size 2. That was me in primary schooling. Wanting that size as an adult? Is insanity. I eat normally too, for the most part. Budget permitting when i can eat as healthy as i want to, though. But i can still do well on what i can afford.

Alaska politics – Munch on it slowy, or you’ll scream……

Punaise- gunnite!!! you hilarious.

Ed*ard Teller @ 239

Loo Hoo. @ 217

ET, I don’t get it. Are you saying that the feds are really going to do more, or that they want Colber to back off?

They’re saying that they are investigating and don’t want the state to muck their investigation by crossing the same ground. I’m saying that I wonder why the timeline is starting to get kinky. It makes no sense to me that, nine months after the former legislature and gubernatorial administration went down, that this is taking as long as it is. Either the DOJ is slowing the cases past the statute of limitations or into the next presidential administration, or this is fucking HUGE.

Huge as in follow the oil huge?

punaise @ 240

Valley Girl @ 236

Crikey! This is just like the old days at FDL! Lovin’ it. xxoo Pun!

that said, now time for me to be Mondrian down the hallway….

gunnite, all.

lol you are on a roll tonight, gn!

Ed*ard Teller @ 252

Alaska politics – Munch on it slowy, or you’ll scream……

707 !!!

ET, it’s times like these I want the feds to sit down the the state AG and put some cards on the table. Not that he could, or should, make any of that public, but the feds needs to give him the big picture. Just enough so they actually don’t cross paths and screw up each others investigations.

However, since all the feds were brought in from DC, avoiding the local FBI office entirely, IIRC, that ain’t gonna happen. They will not share with the locals. Nah. Gonna. Happa.

Loo Hoo. @ 241

tw3k @ 182

dKos on it too

Hillary’s treading water and biding her time. She hasn’t even brought out the Big Dog yet.

well, good luck to them both then ;)

selise @ 199

howdy ‘pups!

i just woke up from a nightmare, only to find you-all disecting the joys of mammograms.

selise! Hope you’re over the nightmare.

Suzanne @ 222

punaise @ 219

says who? Cezanne.

you rang, pun?

Wu Tang, Clan? (musical aside, big swerve)

I don’t Kahlo too much for yer Rivera like cubism’s . . .

Damn But Frida Was fascinating . . .

tw3k @ 254

Ed*ard Teller @ 239

They’re saying that they are investigating and don’t want the state to muck their investigation by crossing the same ground. I’m saying that I wonder why the timeline is starting to get kinky. It makes no sense to me that, nine months after the former legislature and gubernatorial administration went down, that this is taking as long as it is. Either the DOJ is slowing the cases past the statute of limitations or into the next presidential administration, or this is fucking HUGE.

Huge as in follow the oil huge?

I dunno. It is hard enough to figure out what Valery Gergiev is muttering to the orchestra in this new recording I’m listening to of him conducting the LSO in Prokofiev’s 2nd Symphony, a neglected masterpiece…

Petrocelli @ 256

Ed*ard Teller @ 252

Alaska politics – Munch on it slowy, or you’ll scream……

707 !!!

must be a beer joke if only a Canuck gets it, eh?

tw3k @ 240

yellowdog jim @ 208

i prefer Esque more than Rube.

folks gotta be able to enjoy a good meal.

well that throws a different light on Rubens!

Rubens’ is nonpareil.
but when it’s Rube n’ Esque, i go for the Esque.

Willie Mae Thorton
Hound Dog

TheOtherWA @ 257

ET, it’s times like these I want the feds to sit down the the state AG and put some cards on the table. Not that he could, or should, make any of that public, but the feds needs to give him the big picture. Just enough so they actually don’t cross paths and screw up each others investigations.

However, since all the feds were brought in from DC, avoiding the local FBI office entirely, IIRC, that ain’t gonna happen. They will not share with the locals. Nah. Gonna. Happa.

I was thinking the same thing when I heard the first mention of the stiff-arm on the local NPR news this evening.

selise @ 242

lovin’ the puns. thank you-all for the smiles.

i’m too verbally slow witted to participate, but i’m enjoying it from the bleachers.

I imagine that Master Punaise just does it off the top of his head whereas I can be found madly googling for punnable artist names.

Ed*ard Teller @ 260

tw3k @ 254

Huge as in follow the oil huge?

I dunno. It is hard enough to figure out what Valery Gergiev is muttering to the orchestra in this new recording I’m listening to of him conducting the LSO in Prokofiev’s 2nd Symphony, a neglected masterpiece…

Thank goodness for the internet

yellowdog jim @ 263

. . . . Rubens’ is nonpareil. . .. .

You say nonpareil.

I say buerre blanc avec capers . . .

LET’S EAT! *G*

ET, thank you for all the Alaska updates. Much appreciated.

Good night, everyone. See you all back here tomorrow, refreshed and ready for battle.

punaise @ 227

Suzanne @ 221

you rang, pun?

whatever gave you that impressionist?

DANG! You people are afire tonight!

8yo has dentist apt; then we have teachers’ confr; then after school karate.

i’m gone.

yellowdog jim @ 262

tw3k @ 240

well that throws a different light on Rubens!

Rubens’ is nonpareil.
but when it’s Rube n’ Esque, i go for the Esque.

Willie Mae Thorton
Hound Dog

boteroesque?

Ed*ard Teller @ 262

Petrocelli @ 256

707 !!!

must be a beer joke if only a Canuck gets it, eh?

… and not just any Beer, it’s a Leffe !!! *g*

Mods, moderation for like . . . what?

Yer killin me . . . eat more capers, with butter n wine n cream and lemon, too. Reduced . . .

Yer killin me . . . *G*

tw3k @ 266

Ed*ard Teller @ 260

I dunno. It is hard enough to figure out what Valery Gergiev is muttering to the orchestra in this new recording I’m listening to of him conducting the LSO in Prokofiev’s 2nd Symphony, a neglected masterpiece…

Thank goodness for the internet

wow. I owe you some swan photos, and haven’t forgotten tw3k…

tw3k @ 268

yellowdog jim @ 262

Rubens’ is nonpareil.
but when it’s Rube n’ Esque, i go for the Esque.

Willie Mae Thorton
Hound Dog

boteroesque?

folk’s gotta exhale

Hard-Refresh please everyone… Lost comments will appear.

BTW, is it too early to wish our beloved Loo Hoo Happy Birthday ?!!

Ed*ard Teller @ 239

Loo Hoo. @ 217

ET, I don’t get it. Are you saying that the feds are really going to do more, or that they want Colber to back off?

They’re saying that they are investigating and don’t want the state to muck their investigation by crossing the same ground. I’m saying that I wonder why the timeline is starting to get kinky. It makes no sense to me that, nine months after the former legislature and gubernatorial administration went down, that this is taking as long as it is. Either the DOJ is slowing the cases past the statute of limitations or into the next presidential administration, or this is fucking HUGE.

If the DOJ is intentionally slowing this down past the statute of limitations, that is in itself HUGE. Really HUGE. Nobody would take on that kind of criminal liability, would they?

ET- you still there?

OT, but Coriolanus dropped by for a rare visit the other eve. Love the guy. Hope you get to Ashland sometime.

Petrocelli @ 276

BTW, is it too early to wish our beloved Loo Hoo Happy Birthday ?!!

Ahhh, it is the 17th! I best hit the pillows, but I don’t want to!

Ed*ard Teller @ 272

tw3k @ 266

Thank goodness for the internet

wow. I owe you some swan photos, and haven’t forgotten tw3k…

Ah, no worries, just if you want to see if I can manage a higher res crop!

Loo Hoo. @ 280

Petrocelli @ 276

BTW, is it too early to wish our beloved Loo Hoo Happy Birthday ?!!

Ahhh, it is the 17th! I best hit the pillows, but I don’t want to!

Birthdays should be celebrated from the very start to the very end. Loo Hoo I hope you have a truly fabulous day full of happiness and lovely surprises.

Thanks, persiflage. So sweet of you!

Night all.

Loo Hoo!
Loo Hoo!
Loo Hoo!
Happy Birthday Loo Hoo!

im out, too
yawns

Valley Girl @ 279

ET- you still there?

OT, but Coriolanus dropped by for a rare visit the other eve. Love the guy. Hope you get to Ashland sometime.

Me too… we’re as close to broke as we’ve been in 15 years – two kids in college and addicted to donating to progressive causes.

OT–
Since the hearings on Mukasey’s confirmation will soon begin, here is one letter that’s on the table, that a colleague sent to me. I hope that these hearings will be more than pro forma.

Bob in HI

October 11, 2007
The Honorable Michael Mukasey
Patterson Belknapp Webb & Tyler LLP
1133 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036

Dear Mr. Mukasey,

As you prepare for your confirmation hearings, we would like to bring your attention to the important matter of our nation’s interrogation policies. In particular, we are extremely concerned about the revelation of two secret Justice Department memos issued under your predecessor that sanction many of the most severe forms of torture. According to The New York Times, these memos “provided explicit authorization to barrage terror suspects with a combination of painful physical and psychological tactics, including head-slapping, simulated drowning and frigid temperatures.”

Not only is use of torture by the U.S. Government morally reprehensible, it has done immeasurable damage to our nation’s ability to conduct foreign policy and has put our own men and women in uniform in greater danger. While we must seek to gather as much information as possible from captured terrorists, it is the job of the Attorney General to ensure that interrogation policies follow all relevant U.S. and international law.

As the nominee to be the next Attorney General, we urge you to commit to withdraw these memos on your first day in office, should you be confirmed. In addition, we hope that you will dedicate yourself to returning the Department of Justice to policies consistent with U.S. law and the Geneva Conventions.

Sincerely,

Peter Welch (VT)
Barbara Lee (CA)
John W. Olver (MA)
Dennis J. Kucinich (OH)
Timothy J. Walz (MN)
Bruce L. Braley (IA)
James P. McGovern (MA)
Albert Russell Wynn (MD)
Keith Ellison (MN)
Raul M. Grijalva (AZ)
James L. Oberstar (MN)
Elijah E. Cummings (MD)
Mark Udall (CO)
Jesse L. Jackson Jr. (IL)
Tammy Baldwin (WI)
Doris O. Matsui (CA)
Carol Shea-Porter (NH)
Janice D. Schakowsky (IL)
Peter A. Defazio (OR)
Edward J. Markey (MA)
Danny K. Davis (IL)
Barney Frank (MA)
Carolyn B. Maloney (NY)
Betty Sutton (OH)
Lynn C. Woolsey (CA)
Henry C. “Hank” Johnson Jr. (GA)
Mazie K. Hirono (HI)
Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC)
Maurice D. Hinchey (NY)
Melvin L. Watt (NC)
Lloyd Doggett (TX)
Maxine Waters (CA)
James P. Moran (VA)
Michael A. Arcuri (NY)
Fortney Pete Stark (CA)
John P. Murtha (PA)
Darlene Hooley (OR)
Thomas H. Allen (ME)
Betty McCollum (MN)
Zoe Lofgren (CA)
Sam Farr (CA)
John J. Hall (NY)
Steven R. Rothman (NJ)
Linda T. Sanchez (CA)
Ellen O. Tauscher (CA)
Hilda L. Solis (CA)
Dennis A. Cardoza (CA)
Earl Pomeroy (ND)
Diana DeGette (CA)
Jose E. Serrano (NY)
Earl Blumenauer (OR)
Rosa L. DeLauro (CT)
Rush D. Holt (NJ)
Michael E. Capuano (MA)
Carolyn C. Kilpatrick (MI)

Suzanne @ 7

what was the worst news of the day?
what was the best news of the day?

MSM spreading phony poll #’s that Gore’s support is slipping was my first worse news of the day.

Soon followed by my best news of the day: the airing of Moyer’s essential new Cheney’s War. The jig is up Dick!

All the king’s horses and all the king’s men Couldn’t save you from hard time in a Hague Pen.

Sitting senators and congress critters owe this to the nation at the very least. Strip his citizenship upon conviction and let him do time in any number of venues abroad. Bar him from ever setting a foot in the US or its outposts forevah!

The ReThugs who betrayed their sworn duty to our Constitution, and countless other elected and appointed Bush/Cheney co-criminals, great and small, should also be stripped of their citizenship and exiled, forevah!

MSM nose dives and loses market share. Rush overdoses and confined to an undisclosed nursing home, loses all assets, income, dignity and friends surviving on the kindness of a former Senate page inside the Social Security Agency.

JoeLiarman resigns his senate seat under threat of trials and deportation and spends his time between Paraguay and the mideast cursing Ned Lamont, the beautiful fearless founder of the blog FDL, among other netcitizens here, there and everywhere. ;~)

newspaperbrat @ 285
Sitting senators and congress critters owe this to the nation world at the very least. Strip his citizenship upon conviction and let him do time in any number of venues abroad. Bar him from ever setting a foot in the US or its outposts forevah!

apropos to that thought: Justice, Freedom, Democracy

Good morning, 58 mostly clear and rain in forecast for tonite in Trendy Blue Ridge Ga.

dang, it’s quiet and dark in here…

MR. Bill @ 289

dang, it’s quiet and dark in here…

No news is good news!

tw3k @ 292

MR. Bill @ 289

dang, it’s quiet and dark in here…

No news is good news!

Ah, tw3k, there’s news, just nothing jumps out (like the sucicide of the AirForce procurement guy with the no-pay job in yesterdays headline….)

MR. Bill @ 291

tw3k @ 292

No news is good news!

Ah, tw3k, there’s news, just nothing jumps out (like the sucicide of the AirForce procurement guy with the no-pay job in yesterdays headline….)

I missed that one :(

This one is better.

tw3k @ 292

MR. Bill @ 289

dang, it’s quiet and dark in here…

No news is good news!

every day we don’t bomb iran is a good day.

or so i tell myself.

especially on days like today, when:

1) the SJC is going to give bushco’s AG nomination a hearing even though they are still owed a ton of stuff.

2) the house is going to vote on a shitty fisa bill while a pretty decent one sits stuck in committee.

and that’s just the stuff we know about.

selise @ 293

tw3k @ 292

No news is good news!

every day we don’t bomb iran is a good day.

or so i tell myself.

especially on days like today, when:

1) the SJC is going to give bushco’s AG nomination a hearing even though they are still owed a ton of stuff.

2) the house is going to vote on a shitty fisa bill while a pretty decent one sits stuck in committee.

and that’s just the stuff we know about.

Well, then there is that.

More bad news – Gore says he’s not running.

maybe if i can go back to sleep for a few minutes, i’ll wake up in a better mood.

petedownunder @ 295

More bad news – Gore says he’s not running.

pfff, already debunked on dKos ;)

selise @ 296

maybe if i can go back to sleep for a few minutes, i’ll wake up in a better mood.

No bad dreams this time!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01754.html
here’s the suicide story.
The comments are instructive, as one commenter points out that the guy who had the AF procurement job before the late Mr. Reicher is in prison for fraud on this job.

“Beauty, midnight, vision dies:
Let the winds of dawn that blow
Softly round your dreaming head
Such a day of welcome show
Eye and knocking heart may bless,
Find our mortal world enough;
Noons of dryness find you fed
By the involuntary powers,
Nights of insult let you pass
Watched by every human love.”-Auden Lullabye

MR. Bill @ 299

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01754.html
here’s the suicide story.
The comments are instructive, as one commenter points out that the guy who had the AF procurement job before the late Mr. Reicher is in prison for fraud on this job.

Some real comedians in the comments!

tw3k @ 303

MR. Bill @ 299

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01754.html
here’s the suicide story.
The comments are instructive, as one commenter points out that the guy who had the AF procurement job before the late Mr. Reicher is in prison for fraud on this job.

Some real comedians in the comments!

It’s the ones who seem to be blaming the Post for the dude’s suicide that puzzle me.

yo

Good morning raven!

hows things in Athens

MR. Bill @ 306

Good morning raven!

Rain on the way but, of course, we’ll have to hear over and over how it won’t matter.

raven @ 308

MR. Bill @ 306

Good morning raven!

Rain on the way but, of course, we’ll have to hear over and over how it won’t matter.

Sort of misted on me on the job in the am, and the Bf actually got 2/10th an inch

MR. Bill @ 309

raven @ 308

Rain on the way but, of course, we’ll have to hear over and over how it won’t matter.

Sort of misted on me on the job in the am, and the Bf actually got 2/10th an inch

Hey, do you know about the Athens music/poltics/culture weekly Flagpole?

Jusraven @ 310

MR. Bill @ 309

Sort of misted on me on the job in the am, and the Bf actually got 2/10th an inch

Hey, do you know about the Athens music/poltics/culture weekly Flagpole?

Just as a name. I used to be an artist and wrote for artpapers, but am sort of burned out on ‘culture’.
Is it good?

MR. Bill @ 311

Jusraven @ 310

Hey, do you know about the Athens music/poltics/culture weekly Flagpole?artpapers, but am sort of burned out on ‘culture’.
Is it good?

Yea, I mean it’s mostly local stuff but we have so much music and other activities that it’s good to have an outlet. Also the owner, Pete Mc Commons, loves to take on the local MSM Athens Banna Herald. There is an article abiut greywater today, I installed my own system last week not realizing it’s not legal!

raven @ 308

MR. Bill @ 309

Sort of misted on me on the job in the am, and the Bf actually got 2/10th an inch

Hey, do you know about the Athens music/poltics/culture weekly Flagpole?

Is Athens basically a big college town?

raven @ 310

MR. Bill @ 311

Jus

Yea, I mean it’s mostly local stuff but we have so much music and other activities that it’s good to have an outlet. Also the owner, Pete Mc Commons, loves to take on the local MSM Athens Banna Herald. There is an article abiut greywater today, I installed my own system last week not realizing it’s not legal!

Ha! cool. How did you design it?

raven @ 312

MR. Bill @ 311

Jus

Yea, I mean it’s mostly local stuff but we have so much music and other activities that it’s good to have an outlet. Also the owner, Pete Mc Commons, loves to take on the local MSM Athens Banna Herald. There is an article abiut greywater today, I installed my own system last week not realizing it’s not legal!

I’m pretty sure that there is greywater in our future…
And I did an Athens art festival (in a park, it had a lake) setting up yarn webs for the kids for two or three years, in the early ’90s…And last major commission was for Turner Field in 2000..

tw3k @ 314

raven @ 310

Ha! cool. How did you design it?

Yeah is it basically a holding tank with an outlet to the garden?

tw3k @ 314

raven @ 310

Ha! cool. How did you design it?

Athens is 60 miles NE of the ATL. We are sort of like the People’s Republic of Athens as far as Georgia goes. UGA students kepp a lively entertainment business going and there are tons of bands that live here and intermix. Trex’s brother is in a band called “Music Hates You” that is serious metal/grunge (I hope I don’t offend them).

My property is on a slope so ijust slit my 3/4 drain pipe, put in 2 shit off valves and ran a pipe through the concrete block into a 55 gallon drum with a spigot on the bottom. It’s right under oure great screen porch and I thought it might be a little stinky last night while we were eating. I told Mrs Raven, the crazy gardener that, if it got stinky, we’d have to re-evalutae!

MR. Bill @ 314

tw3k @ 314

Ha! cool. How did you design it?

Yeah is it basically a holding tank with an outlet to the garden?

What about food particles and soap? Filter it through plants first?

Good morning, pups. Today it’s MoDo and Friedman. MoDo says Rudy roughs up the Arabs. Mr. Friedman tells us about Van Jones, a black social activist in Oakland, California.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. We’re back to summer here, going to hover around 90 today.

raven @ 317

tw3k @ 314

Ha! cool. How did you design it?

Athens is 60 miles NE of the ATL. We are sort of like the People’s Republic of Athens as far as Georgia goes. UGA students kepp a lively entertainment business going and there are tons of bands that live here and intermix. Trex’s brother is in a band called “Music Hates You” that is serious metal/grunge (I hope I don’t offend them).

My property is on a slope so ijust slit my 3/4 drain pipe, put in 2 shit off valves and ran a pipe through the concrete block into a 55 gallon drum with a spigot on the bottom. It’s right under oure great screen porch and I thought it might be a little stinky last night while we were eating. I told Mrs Raven, the crazy gardener that, if it got stinky, we’d have to re-evalutae!

i meant to say, maybe oxygenate the tank, bubble some air thru it…

Ah, so like roof runoff.

MR. Bill @ 315

raven @ 312

I’m pretty sure that there is greywater in our future…
And I did an Athens art festival (in a park, it had a lake) setting up yarn webs for the kids for two or three years, in the early ’90s…And last major commission was for Turner Field in 2000..

MR. Bill @ 315

raven @ 312

I’m pretty sure that there is greywater in our future…
And I did an Athens art festival (in a park, it had a lake) setting up yarn webs for the kids for two or three years, in the early ’90s…And last major commission was for Turner Field in 2000..

The Folk Festival! My great friend Meta always came from Charlotte. She is a big time spinner and weaver. I wonder if you were there the year Howard Finster came?

tw3k @ 322

Ah, so like roof runoff.

No, the system is similar but this is from the bathtub and washing machine, no kithen. I got so wrapped up I woke the princess up 6 minutes late for our mroning walk to Big City Bread!

Well the Dali Lama will be speaking to Congress.
Maybe he can bless them into, what, morality?
And I was there for Howard, but was so busy I didn’t get to see him much…

Marion in Savannah @ 317

Good morning, pups. Today it’s MoDo and Friedman. MoDo says Rudy roughs up the Arabs. Mr. Friedman tells us about Van Jones, a black social activist in Oakland, California.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. We’re back to summer here, going to hover around 90 today.

gah, I hope this “Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week” stuff back fires on Horowitz. Figures Rudy will try to take it the bank.

MR. Bill @ 325

Well the Dali Lama will be speaking to Congress.
Maybe he can bless them into, what, morality?
And I was there for Howard, but was so busy I didn’t get to see him much…

I saw him at Emory a few years back, He said, “I feel as is I am speaking to the choir” in his wonderfully funny way!

MR. Bill @ 321

i meant to say, maybe oxygenate the tank, bubble some air thru it…

Like the oxyenator in my bucket for live shrimp ?

Ok, now that Marion is here, you guys are in good hands. Love and peace and pray for rain (and passage of the liquor referendum in Fannin Co.)
I gotta go put ‘log siding’ on a ridiculously large ‘cabin’ that seems to be falling apart…
And look up W.H.Auden’s ‘Lullabye’ for a beautiful poem,as we all could use some beauty.
And I am blessed by working in the woods, the color is coming on strong (and as dry as it is it will not last). Walk in beauty, firepups..

Good Morning pups. Wow, Mr. Bill you were misted on. Nothing in Roswell. I put out a few pansies because I’m trying to sell my house. When I planted them I purchased ice to put around them and now I use bath water. Rain would be a welcome relief.

raven @ 328

MR. Bill @ 321

i meant to say, maybe oxygenate the tank, bubble some air thru it…

Like the oxyenator in my bucket for live shrimp ?

exactly!

MR. Bill @ 329

raven @ 328

Like the oxyenator in my bucket for live shrimp ?

exactly!

Good idea! What kind of harvest do you get from it?

Hi kids, just wanted to mention that there was an election in MA yesterday that will add an override the veto and end the war vote to the House. Nikki Tsongas from the Lowell area will be in DC on two days ready to go. It’s an interesting story; she is the widow of Paul Tsongas who once held the same seat and her challenger’s brother was killed on 9/11. He will surely challenge her again next year when the seat is up again (this was a replacement for departing Marty Meehan).

http://www.boston.com/news/loc….._district/

zennurse @ 331

Hi kids, just wanted to mention that there was an election in MA yesterday that will add an override the veto and end the war vote to the House. Nikki Tsongas from the Lowell area will be in DC on two days ready to go. It’s an interesting story; she is the widow of Paul Tsongas who once held the same seat and her challenger’s brother was killed on 9/11. He will surely challenge her again next year when the seat is up again (this was a replacement for departing Marty Meehan).

http://www.boston.com/news/loc….._district/

w00t! Good news!

morning zennurse!

did you get the email i sent you?

Good Morning, Firepups!

It’s mild here in central Jersey this morning, 60ish, with a high in the 70s forecast. We have some rain on the way tomorrow and Friday, and I’ll do a dance to see if I can send it south where it’s needed.

I’ve got a bad head cold, so I’m making myself some tea and toast, the only thing I want when I’m sick. Thanks to my ibook, I’ll be able to stop in at the ‘Lake during the day today.

Work for peace, every day!

Rack-in my mind, man for what this means? I dig the Rach Trio but heard the Rack five was the hardest to play. Off. Until then, I introduce myself as Jack Markof. Of what I have no I.D.ahh.
But Russian train is out of control and we need dis putin.

For now, here is another out of control train. Think it’s a hoax but some people are buying it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ailocf7Ia3Y

Jack Markof

selise @ 335

morning zennurse!

did you get the email i sent you?

I did, sorry no response, I have no excuse other than intermittent blindness. I have it open now, but have to get ready for a doctor appt, so go back to bed for a while and get some well deserved rest- I’m in this for another month and so appreciate your help.

Josh Marshall has picked up on the Tsongas election, talks about some interesting aspects.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/056155.php

NPR this morning said the SCHIP veto will almost surely stand. Sigh…. Now it’s time for the Dems to get a backbone and stuff SCHIP up W’s nose again.

Good morning!

TalkLeft inaccessible here in the BlueState. Perhaps the people at her server have gone on 9 days rest along with the Rockies before facing (sigh) the Indians.
Or it’s my end of things.
Anyone else having problems reaching it?

Marion in Savannah @ 339

NPR this morning said the SCHIP veto will almost surely stand. Sigh…. Now it’s time for the Dems to get a backbone and stuff SCHIP up W’s nose again.

NPR also said that the nooses at Jena were a symbol of “Segregation and Jim Crow laws.” A newsstation that cannot distinguish between mob murder and separate (and supposedly equal) accomodations and schools is not very reliable or even intelligible.

Keep up calling. I got a friend in GA to call Marshall. Anyone with friends in Repug districts?

BlueStateRedHead @ 339

TalkLeft inaccessible here in the BlueState. Perhaps the people at her server have gone on 9 days rest along with the Rockies before facing (sigh) the Indians.
Or it’s my end of things.
Anyone else having problems reaching it?

nope, Proxy Error.

Mornin’ all!

zennurse @ 338 -

no response needed! especially if nothing on the list interests you – please don’t use your limited “seeing” time on that…

i just didn’t want you to think i’d forgotten you, if my email had gotten lost in the toobz.

tw3k @ 343

BlueStateRedHead @ 339

TalkLeft inaccessible here in the BlueState. Perhaps the people at her server have gone on 9 days rest along with the Rockies before facing (sigh) the Indians.
Or it’s my end of things.
Anyone else having problems reaching it?

nope, Proxy Error.

Sorry to be obtuse, but how does one overcome Proxy error?

BlueStateRedHead @ 346

tw3k @ 343

nope, Proxy Error.

Sorry to be obtuse, but how does one overcome Proxy error?

One generally waits.

Marion in Savannah @ 339

NPR this morning said the SCHIP veto will almost surely stand. Sigh…. Now it’s time for the Dems to get a backbone and stuff SCHIP up W’s nose again.

Apropos of keeping up with those letters and faxes to the Congresscritters, can someone give me the count of the Bushdogs still not convinced to change their votes?

Faith-based contraception.

Sort of like scientific creationism.

Turkey expected to OK Iraq incursion

Turkey’s Parliament on Wednesday was expected to approve a possible cross-border military incursion into northern Iraq to chase separatist Kurdish rebels despite international calls for restraint.

Turkish leaders have stressed that an offensive against the rebels of the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, would not immediately follow the motion authorizing the incursion.

William of Malmsbury @ 347

BlueStateRedHead @ 346

Sorry to be obtuse, but how does one overcome Proxy error?

One generally waits.

OK. means spending more time here at the Lake. Back when the cuppa is ready.

BlueStateRedHead @ 344

tw3k @ 343

nope, Proxy Error.

Sorry to be obtuse, but how does one overcome Proxy error?

It is an error on their end.

twolf1 @ 350

Turkey expected to OK Iraq incursion

Turkey’s Parliament on Wednesday was expected to approve a possible cross-border military incursion into northern Iraq to chase separatist Kurdish rebels despite international calls for restraint.

Turkish leaders have stressed that an offensive against the rebels of the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, would not immediately follow the motion authorizing the incursion.

wtf is this? turkey’s leaders go to the parliament to get permission to attack another country? don’t they know what democracy means?

selise @ 353

twolf1 @ 350

Turkey expected to OK Iraq incursion

wtf is this? turkey’s leaders go to the parliament to get permission to attack another country? don’t they know what democracy means?

It’s like that anti-drug commercial where the dad catches the son smoking pot. Kid says – “I learned it from watching you!”

UK looks to make Antarctica claim

The UK is looking to claim sovereignty over a large area of the remote seabed off Antarctica.

The claim for an area around British Antarctica is one of a number being prepared by the Foreign Office, a spokeswoman said.

Even if granted, those rights would not allow Britain to contravene the treaty that prohibits oil and gas tapping under the seabed.

The spokeswoman labelled the move “a safeguard for the future”.

Schip, new report from The Hill via a Dkos diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/17/73512/069

Morning wisdom from Scarecrow:

Congressional Democrats Need Some FISA Encouragement

yellowdog jim @ 170

todd beeton at My DD on cnn’s poll numbers:

One notable result from the poll, and one that should be somewhat worrying for the Clinton campaign, is that Clinton beats Giuliani in a head to head match-up by only 2 points, 49%-47% (essentially a tie) whereas a generic Democrat beats a generic Republican 52%-39%. If this gap between Clinton’s polled performance against Giuliani and that of a generic Dem is an indicator of a larger trend, this could signify a downside to a Clinton candidacy against Giuliani in particular. It also could signal a weakening on her part in the general, especially in light of this chart from Bowers that shows she’d achieved a minimum advantage of 3 points over Rudy since August, but that’s too early to tell from just this poll. Interestingly, Al Gore performs better against Giuliani than Clinton does, 52%-46%.

(my bold)

But none of the other declared candidates does nearly as well. And Clinton is the only declared Democratic candidate that appears to be moving up in her acceptance ratings…her “Would Never Vote For” folks fall below Obamas and Edwards (or Giuliani, Freddy, and Mitt).

Do we write-in Gore? A relunctant “candidate”?

This doesn’t seem to me to be an argument to vote for any of the other declared Democratic candidates. And who knows what would happen if Gore got in…his support might drop as the right-wing attacks escalated. Or simply because of the fact that he no longer looked “above the fray”.

After all, Fred Thompsons ratings plummetted soon after he declared. Admittedly, Gore has a lot more experience AS a candidate. But maybe he really doesn’t want to run. It would be hard for him to get enthused about it if he really, deep down, didn’t want to do it, yet got dragged into it by “Draft Gore” supporters. It might result in disaster.

tw3k @ 182

yellowdog jim @ 170

todd beeton at My DD on cnn’s poll numbers:

(my bold)

dKos on it too

DKos makes a big thing about Hillary being tied with Giuliani in the NY Senate race in 2000 before Giuliani dropped out. But he doesn’t mention that was quite early in the campaign and that Lazio, the Republican’s replacement for Rudy, had those same polling numbers immediately after Rudy left…and through most of the campaign. The last week Hillary suddenly exploded to a 54%-39% lead and walloped Lazio in the actual election. And throughout the polling in NY there was this large “Disapproval” rating by some voters. They disappeared during the election, converse to the popular meme as to why she would lose that race.

That said…if Gore gets in I’d vote for him in the Primaries over Hillary IF he really seemed to want to run with enthusiasm. And, barring more specific committments by Hill by the time the Primaries run out to my State I’ll likely vote for Edwards, or Richardson or Kucinich if they are still in it. Primaries are where you can vote your heart, in the General Election you have to vote a lot more strategically to prevent a nightmare from being elected.

tw3k @ 334

zennurse @ 331

Hi kids, just wanted to mention that there was an election in MA yesterday that will add an override the veto and end the war vote to the House. Nikki Tsongas from the Lowell area will be in DC on two days ready to go. It’s an interesting story; she is the widow of Paul Tsongas who once held the same seat and her challenger’s brother was killed on 9/11. He will surely challenge her again next year when the seat is up again (this was a replacement for departing Marty Meehan).

http://www.boston.com/news/loc….._district/

w00t! Good news!

Wouldn’t it be great if Tim Johnson made an appearance and a heart-felt speech about how expensive his healthcare would have been without government aid!