Dire Straits, Brothers in Arms
This is painfully blunt reading:
…U.S. forces, responsible for too many objectives and too much “battle space,” are vulnerable targets. The sad inevitability of a protracted draw-down is further escalation of attacks — on U.S. troops, civilian leaders and advisory teams. They would also no doubt get caught in the crossfire of the imminent Iraqi civil war.
Iraqi security forces would not be able to salvage the situation. Even if all the Iraqi military and police were properly trained, equipped and truly committed, their 346,000 personnel would be too few. As it is, Iraqi soldiers quit at will. The police are effectively controlled by militias. And, again, corruption is debilitating. U.S. tax dollars enrich self-serving generals and support the very elements that will battle each other after we’re gone.
This is Operation Iraqi Freedom and the reality we experienced. This is what we tried to communicate up the chain of command. This is either what did not get passed on to our civilian leadership or what our civilian leaders chose to ignore. While our generals pursue a strategy dependent on peace breaking out, the Iraqis prepare for their war — and our servicemen and women, and their families, continue to suffer.
There is one way we might be able to succeed in Iraq. To continue an operation of this intensity and duration, we would have to abandon our volunteer military for compulsory service. Short of that, our best option is to leave Iraq immediately. A scaled withdrawal will not prevent a civil war, and it will spend more blood and treasure on a losing proposition.
America, it has been five years. It’s time to make a choice.
Couple that with public worries from the Commandant of the Marine Corps, operations readiness problems with the Army, and the $100 million in bonuses and counting being paid just to retain vital, trained soldiers and commanders, and you begin to see the mess that the Bush Administration has made of our nation’s military and national security apparatus. And that’s just for starters.
Every choice that the Bush Administration makes comes with a set of consequences. Not just for us, but all over the Middle East and the rest of the world as well. And we will all be paying the debts on these consequences for generations to come.




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Christy!
Christy:
typo in last para: Middle East…
Stand behind our soldiers, except for when they’re phony. What a Clusterf**k!
But oh, wait:
We’ve now defeated Al-Qaeda in Iraq!
OT on Mukasey from Old Blood and Guts Constitutional Defender Patrick Leahy:
So much for contempt citations and investigations.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004467.php
We’ll all be paying the debts on these consequences for generations to come, but the Bush family and Cheney are getting paid big now, cosequence free. That’s the only math that matters to those currently in power.
They clearly do not want to draft, because it would be political suicide.
The way I see it, they’ve smashed a military — which followed rules, regulations, the Constitution, etc [whether one agrees with war in the first place]. They’re replacing that with a mercenary corps that will very likely turn around to smash US unless we act now…
Yea, and throw the Turks into this equation. Are we gonna fight with em or aggin em?
(((((((Christy!)))))))
Bush is too weak to do anything other than ’stay the course.’
raven @ 8
Fear not. Ace Sec’y of State Codi is sorting that out now!
Interesting that they have designed a situation where we find most of the armed forces being deployed outside of “the Homeland”, meanwhile, Blackwater is training our police forces:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/16/114844/64
Who is going to defend us?
Amazing how you can break a superpower’s army.
get on the PHONE and call your congress people and give them an earfull of MAD AS HELL.
Bush is a war criminal. Impeachment is necessary, but not sufficient. He should be on trial for his war crimes.
This NSA/Telcom stuff is BULLSHIT.
Congress needs to know that the people are MAD.
Making the call every day to the local and DC offices is one way to cast your vote on how our nation should proceed. Blogs are great, but the phone is (probably) more direct. CALL NOW.
OT on Mukasey, Old Blood and Guts Constitutional Defender Patrick Leahy is moving on from all that unpleasant investigation and threatening contempt thing:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004467.php
Why can’t we draft Blackwater back into the Army?
better than disbanding them, ala Bremer
CHS. The Bush administration has granted OBL one of his wishes to witness “the US become a shadow it its former self”.
With all of the mistakes that have been made in Iraq I have been wondering for a very long time if they were mistakes?
Biodun @ 4
“Declare victory and get out; if the Iraqis can’t hold their country together, that’s their own fault.” How soon will this be a Repub talking point?
Kathryn in MA @ 15
There’ll be no draft because Bush made it unsafe for Bush family members to hide from it in the National Guard when all else fails.
Obviusly these captains were not issued a standard pair of rose colored glasses. Perhaps General Petraeus could lend them a few of his.
New enlistees are being helped to sign up for food stamps and other services and then work side by side or have their jobs taken away in Iraq so that the only thing they can do is be cannon fodder by private contractors making thousands dollars more.
The military spends millions to train their elite units and then loose them to Blackwater who is out there recruiting them and then charging the US tax payer double.
So we pay to train them for the military again and again because we are paying for them at much higher rates as private contractors.
The whole thing just does not make sense but the number one rule of business ….. your greatest asset are your people is lost on this crowd.
behindthefall @ 17
Just as soon as it looks like there will be a non-Republic President.
I just got back from watching the KO interview with Graeme Frost’s parents at C&L. Now I read this.
What word or words are historians going to use to describe this debacle of a presidency? There are so many to chose from. I am looking for a single word to sum it up – like Napoleon’s Waterloo or Nixon’s Watergate. Maybe “Bush’s Life” would be a good start.
Gnome de Plume @ 22
Whatever is chosen, the Bush name will be part of it.
Kathryn in MA @ 15
Erik Prince was on Charlie Rose last night. I couldn’t watch most of it. The BS level was just too high. I found Prince’s assertion that Blackwater could have stopped the genocide in Rwanda especially repellent. I mean taking credit for a hypothetical that never happened. WTF?
katymine @ 20
That’s one of the reasons SecDef Gates has been talking about a possible “non-compete” clause for both the soldiers and the mercenary contractors that would block the blackwater type companies from recruiting the trained troops.
Christy, wanted to wish you a happy birthday, hope you enjoy your getaway with Mr. Redd
Over at Think Progress: Air America radio host Randi Rhodes was mugged on Sunday night while walking her dog nearby her Manhattan apartment. “According to Air America Radio late night host Jon Elliott, Rhodes was beaten up pretty badly, losing several teeth and will probably be off the air for at least the rest of the week.”http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..r-16-2007/
Coincidence, or do we have a hate crime on our hands? And can we be sure that it will be investigated? In the past, have we been the kind of country where editors and spokespeople have had to fear for their safety? Only in the very worst of times — mine strikes, perhaps.
And Christy, have a good time — and be careful.
Hugh — Prince just oozes smarm, doesn’t he? There is something just utterly unctuous about him. Blergh.
Diane at 26 — Thanks much. Am running around trying to get laundry finished on top of posting today. Why is it that getting a little break is always so much work? *g*
waxman on cspan1
Badwater @ 18
No – disband the contractors and enforce that they go into the Army and not be a loose maverick in the world, somewhere.
Did anyone else find news stories about a supposed assassination plot against Putin in Iran to be a little sinister?
http://abcnews.go.com/Internat…..id=3729859
behindthefall @ 27
Here’s the statement from Air America:
October 16-NEW YORK-On Sunday evening, October 14, Air America host Randi Rhodes experienced an unfortunate incident hindering her from hosting her show. The reports of a presumed hate crime are unfounded. Ms. Rhodes looks forward to being back on the air on Thursday.
We may have to wait until Thursday to get the full story.
hmmmm…so let me get this straight.
2000 – Bush appointed President.
2001 – First “attack” on US soil since Pearl Harbor.
2001 – Brings in Blackwater
2001 – Invades Afghanistan
2002 – Develops the big lie about Iraq
2003 on – Invades Iraq
Tortures people.
Kidnaps and tortures people.
Locks people up forever and throws away the key.
Stands up Blackwater in the US to train the police.
Spying on US citizens without warrants.
By 2007 – Habeas/gone
These are not “mistakes”; it is……….
brendan @ 32
Everything is sinister.
Badwater @ 23
W has also fucked up his father’s legacy (such as it is). History will remember the son’s utterly disastrous 8 year administration and forget the father’s benign 4 years in office.
brendan @ 32
Seymour Hersh reported long ago that US Special forces and the Israeli Mossad are all ready in Iran.
It’s a Wonderful Life, 2007
NANCY
This is so nice, isn’t it, Rahm? And now all these Republican retirements — we literally don’t have to do anything else and the Dems will take over big time.
RAHM
Just between you and me, Nancy…are we doing anything now? I mean, was there anything I missed?
NANCY
Of course not. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that we were.
RAHM
Ah…2007. Such a nice off-year. And here I thought we might have to — you know — start doing things in 2008.
NANCY
We did it just right. Ignore the war and impeachment and the Republicans would self-destruct.
RAHM
Heh, heh. What war? I don’t see a war. Impeach who? Why? We don’t have the votes anyway.
NANCY
But I’m serious. I just don’t think about those things. Why should I let all that war mayhem and impeachment hassles disturb my beautiful mind?
christy, another great post from you, add to it this as reported on think progress;
linerage
what KIND of hell has this administration brought to the world?
Kathleen @ 37
All ready or already?
Jena 6
Rep. Arthur Davis (D-Alabama) “our moral makeup is reflected by our outrage”
Money talks and we are essentially turning the notion of service – military… into a mercenary operation. Join up to make a killing… so to speak. Pun intended.
RE: Randi Rhodes from NY Daily News:
Rhodes’ lawyer told the Daily News she was injured in a fall while walking her dog. He said she’s not sure what happened, and only knows that she fell down and is in a lot of pain. The lawyer said Rhodes expects to be back on the air Thursday. He stressed there is no indication she was targeted or that she was the victim of a “hate crime.”
raven @ 40
the adminoistration is determined to undermine the ability of the u.s. to defend itself
I am telling you, if this were a novel by now every single reader would be asking;
“what is WRONG with them, don’t they see the trader in their midst?”
yet we let him go on and on, doing as much damamge as can possibly be done
we sit and watch
woe is us
JF @ 43
Aw, it was so much fun to get all hysterical about a plot this morning!
mc @ 36
He’s also made things tough on Jeb’s ascent to the presidency. However, the fattening of the family trust accounts provides comfort to all troubled Bushes.
JF @ 43
Ummmmm…ok….move along…nothing to see here..
Kathleen @ 37:
Yep. They both have been for quite some time. Circa 2004-2005. Mossad for longer.
Some news to relax you:
AP – Russian leader Vladimir Putin met his Iranian counterpart Tuesday and implicitly warned the U.S. not to use a former Soviet republic to stage an attack on Iran. He also said countries bordering the Caspian Sea must jointly back any oil pipeline projects in the region.
Biodun @ 48
Allright already!
Why is Randi’s lawyer involved if she just fell down?
Hugh @ 5
Leahy folding up like a cheap lawn chair is really disturbing. He represented one of the last hopes I had for any accountability from this crime family of an administration.
I couldn’t care less whether or not Sen. Leahy “likes” Mukasey, (in fact he shouldn’t either) the issue at hand is if he can restore integrity to the DOJ.
You see where the “Who would you rather have a beer with?” approach to election decision making got us in 2000 don’t you?
LS @ 47
Appearantly from her lawyer. I give him more credibility than the pure speculation we’ve seen this morning. Still, we’ll have to wait to get the full story from her later this week or next week, when she returns.
JF @ 43
EPU’d from last thread:
Biodun @ 93
LS @ 51
Her “publicist” wasn’t available!
Badwater @ 46
I, for one, am very glad NOT to be a fly on the wall at family holiday gatherings. Can you imagine the looks that Jeb gives to George across the dinner table?
He’s done.
Dear Senator Clinton
U.N. Finds No Nuclear Bomb Program in Iran
Agency Report and Tehran’s Deal With Europe Undercut Tougher U.S. Stance
By Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 16, 2004; Page A18
In its most positive assessment of Iran in two years, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported yesterday that it had found no evidence the nation had a nuclear weapons program and that Tehran’s recent cooperation with the agency has been very good.
The U.N. nuclear watchdog’s report, along with Europe’s acceptance of a wide-ranging nuclear agreement with Tehran, capped a pivotal day for the Islamic republic’s relations with the West and left little chance for the Bush
administration’s Iran strategy to succeed in the near term.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..Nov15.html
————————————————
No Legitimate Justification for War with Iran:
By Scott Ritter
Given the complexities of the modern world, and the uncertainties inherent in such, it is prudent for any nation possessing global reach and ambition to be prepared to defend its legitimate interests through the use of military force. The geographic reality of Iran’s physical location vis-à-vis the Straight of Hormuz, and the dire economic consequences that would accrue should Middle Eastern oil supplies become choked off through any closure or lengthy disruption of shipping through the Straight of Hormuz, dictate that the United States plan for the possible deployment and employment of its military to secure this strategic shipping lane.
http://www.informationclearing…..e18556.htm
And Condi’s running around the Middle East like a chicken with it’s head cut off.
LS at 51 — Because she’s a public personality, she’s injured and can’t deal with media hubub today and people keep coming up with unsubstantiated rumors that need to be refuted and he volunteered to help her field media inquiries?
Toby Wollin @ 56
That’s a tremendous consolation to me.
Christy,
Good assessment!
One of the reasons the Iraqi army has not been “standing up” so that we can get out of town, IMHO, is that we don’t trust them with the Big Guns. How many Iraqi tanks do you see? Ever heard of reviving the Iraqi air force? How many helicopters are under Iraqi command? How much you wanna bet that our commanders don’t trust their commanders?
Does our “plan” for Iraqi security expect the Iraqis to secure the country with no more than hand weapons?
Bob in HI
LS @ 47
When was the last time that expression was used around here and it was actually true?
mc @ 36
Those Bush Senior years were not so benign, when you include the years in the Reagan Administration, and then white washing the crimes of the Iran-Contra crowd.
Toby Wollin @ 56
he’s only “done” if we actually have elections where the results count
LS @ 51
The last sentence in the lawyer’s statement conflicts GREATLY with the preceding information.
raven @ 50:
Finally figured out what you’re saying here after reading up thread. But it’s:
All right; already; (some will say) alright (is OK as well.) But not grammar purists.
raven @ 40
Yes(!) :-(
Bob in HI
Tancredo filed for the New Hampshire primary this morning, saying that the Colorado Rockies have shown that “anything can happen.”
After filing, Tancredo laughed at the idea that Romney was challenging other candidates’ Republican credentials. “I don’t think I were do that if I were Mitt,” he said.
Tancredo added that his voting record is one of the highest rated in the field by Republican interest groups.
Well that’s certainly a reason to vote for you, Mr. Tancredo.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 59
You are probably right. I feel really bad for her getting several teeth knocked out, and I hope she feels better soon. You are absolutely right about the unsubstantiated rumors. We will have to wait to hear what happened from her when she comes back.
BTW, Happy Birthday trip!
Ah soooo. Perhaps WW III has already begun.
Kathleen:
Good Matthew Yglesias post today on Russia-Iran.
http://matthewyglesias.theatla…..p#comments
Putin just runs circles around our rulers.
The price the US pays will be extremely minuscule compared to that they will pay in Iraq and elsewhere.
40,000 UNIDENTIFIED bodies in Najaf cemetery since the 2003 invasion. Plenty more that are IDENTIFIED.
By the way, that 40,000 number is twice what has been discovered so far from Saddam’s mass graves.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 63
43’s a continuation of the same criminal enterprise.
Susan @ 72
But, but, but…he killed “his own” people…that is way badder.
Gnome de Plume @ 22
Maybe renaming the Peter Principle in his honor? Of course, that presupposes that Bush was actually competent at some lower level, which is dubious.
Bob in HI
Perhaps we need to start having CD drills again. You know. Getting under our desks and covering our little heads.
Jena 6
Rep. Tony Baldwin (D Wisconsin). Hate crime laws “unless the implementation of these laws are swift and effective”
she mentions that in an article in the New York Times DA Reed Walters said “the nooses broke no law”. Baldwin asks why Walters did not prosecute these “hate crimes” under Louisiana law?
Reed Walter getting verbally hit hard.
It really kills me. Oil is a vital interest. Nuclear war apparently is not.
bobschacht @ 75
He did manage to get born into the Bush family.
Susan @ 72
a VERY important fact and figure ALL progressives need to start repeating time and time again
Kathryn in MA @ 15
Draft ‘em them promptly court martial the lot. *grump*
Well, the world is really in a strange state when the President of Russia saves us from our own Presdnenzt.
New Froomkin up. “The Biggest Cheney Mystery”
peanutbutter @ 81
can’t the government ‘nationalize” blackwater?
man, that would be poetic justice
Thanks for the Dire Straits vid, CHS, & hope you have a lovely time on yr. b-day days off.
Brothers In Arms was played @ the service for one of my brothers when his name went on the Black Wall so many yrs. ago. Made me remember his lopsided grin when I heard it again just now & the way he used to tell people deprecatingly, “Yeah, we’re all gonna go be heroes over there.”
Thanks for reminding me of Joe this morning. Got to go in to work finally. Read you all later.
It’s showdown time with our imitation Texas cowboy.
Tuesday’s declaration in Tehran also signalled support for Iran’s nuclear program. However, Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, said problems remained over the delivery of fuel to Iran’s first nuclear power plant at Bushehr.
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..8575CC.htm
LS @ 74
worser
perris @ 44
Um, do you mean “traitor” or “trader”? Or both? Or either?
Freudian slip?
Bob in HI
Kathleen @ 76
Um, I think you mean “Tammy”?
Bob in HI
Damn. I am feeling better by the minute. Condi wins the support of another despot.
Rice wins Egyptian support for Mideast peace conference
Susan @ 72
that is so many souls!!
who would be alive today if we hadn’t invaded. Makes me sick to be American.
Marie Roget @ 85
“Yeah, we’re all gonna go be heroes over there.”
The brother knew of what he spoke. I am furious that Colin Powell is the keynote at the 25th Anniversary of the Wall next month. So much so that I am not going to go. I missed the dedication but made the 10th, 15th and 20th.
WHAT?
It’s Christy’s birthday?
Happy Birthday!
perris @ 84
heh
It’s obvious to me. In a new possible Clinton administration that Joe Lieberman must play a pivotal role. Perhaps Secretary of State. Or, maybe better, Secretary of defense or Ambassador to the UN.
bobschacht @ 88
man, I made a play on words and I didn’t even know it at the time
Hugh @ 5
it’s enough to make this DFH’s head explode.
i’m not sure how much more bs i can take from the dem leadership in congress (see my comments on fisa in the house this morning – here and here and here)
LS @ 82
No Sh*t!
bobschacht @ 89
Sorry Tammy
raven @ 92
outrageous.
how do you feel about going and doing something to protest powell?
Kathleen, Biodun:
Here is a good little piece about the nature and purpose of some of our intelligence operations in Kurdistan:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..3Ak01.html
Iraq was, Turks and Kurds, Iranian war..Oil at new high ~$88 and heading for $100…ARM’s re-adjustments peak in March ‘08..Big three Banks holding billions of worthless investment vehicles…We are headed for real trouble..The ‘08 election will be “It’s the economy stupid”..again.
Kathleen @ 77
Kathleen, I can’t express my appeciation more for your blogging this hearing. So much critical stuff is going on all at the same time taoday, what with the SCHIP and FISA legislation coming up for votes. Hopefully you are keeping notes, or perhaps can submit something to Christy or Jane that includes even more information from the hearing as well as your impressions of the witnesses and those in Congress who attended. It would be a timely report. Were they evasions by the Republicans in their questioning or particulary good or bad questions?
And did anyone suggest new legislation or simply that they will pressure communities to follow the laws that are already out there? Is the focus ONLY on what happened in Jena? It seems that some sort of pre-emptive activity should happen in towns like this that have sustained traditions of racism (”white trees”).
Maybe there should be some sort of regular surveys of such issues throughout the South, and elsewhere, and interventions to deal with them before they break-out into conflicts like this. A lot of locals won’t like it, but if law enforcement and school officials realize that they are under the spotlight they might be more likely to end such racist activity.
Steve-AR @ 101
“It was the economy, stupid”
Gnome de Plume @ 22
Today’s Caligula?
I am looking for an article that someone linked about the quagmire in Iraq being part of the Bush administrations plan to get control of the oil no matter how long it takes. I thought it was at Truthout. anyone know the article I am talking about?
A dear friend Peggy Gish who was in Iraq (she is going back) before the invasion and accumulatively has been there four years shared with us early on that this is what many of the Iraqi people believe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4066835.stm
Picture of Art and Peggy Gish walking Palestinian children to school
http://www.bbc.co.uk/suffolk/c…..ture.shtml
I suspect the Putin plot stories are not necessarily a prelude to a real plot on our part, but rather a psy-ops/propaganda thing — a taunt and a threat –, but you never know, do you?.
selise @ 100
Unlike the wingnuts who claim they “turned their backs on Kerry in protest” (these are the same assholes that were going to “protect” the Wall during the demonstration in March), I see that Wall as sacred ground and would not do anything there other than reflect. In other words, I’d end up in a fight. My friend that lives in DC, Marine, wounded at Khe Sahn, stands with Code Pink at Walter Reed is still going but he has a cooler head. Imagine.
STTP in Ohio @ 52
I used that on Leahy myself, not half an hour ago: ‘like’ is not for nominees. ‘Honesty’ and ‘competence’ are for nominees. (I also let him know that I’m a p*ssed off long-time D voter.)
here is the real skinny on this clusterf**k..
this guy is no liberal BTW…..
http://www.d-n-i.net/lind/lind_10_10_07.htm
brendan @ 101:
Thanks. It’s interesting what the breakup of the Ottoman Empire left in its wake. As I’ve said before, Britain and France forged Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq from the ruins.
Turkey was also forged from the same ruins, only not by a colonial power but by one man: Kemal Ataturk, who fabricated a “Turkish” identity and alphabet from different ethnicities, the ramifications of which are being played out at this point.
peanutbutter @ 81
exactly. they would be held under some sort of rule of law.
Elliott @ 73
Bush whacked US
brendan @ 101
I think it was empty wheel who said Petreaus may be the new Judy Miller. Rumor has it they dated. But who didn’t date Judy?
“Iraqis even miss those days when they just had to contend with Saddam’s goons. At least it was an Iraqi-Iraqi affair. Now the name of the game is no-holds-barred, globalized commercialization of death. Mercenaries conducting dirty wars against the barbarians; that’s exactly how the Roman Empire started to collapse.”
“
do-si-do @ 105
That comparison defames Caligula (Gaius), he was very intelligent and articulate, he just got a little crazy after an illness.
do-si-do @ 105
Well there are reasons why he is sometimes referred to as “Little Boots.”
cinnamonape @ 103
I am so appreciative of what Christy, Jane and all FDL’ers do I really am. I agree there are so many issues, and I do think the issue of “racism” in our country gets swept under the rug. But I do understand there are so many issues.
I was not taking notes. I was writing a paper for a class at the same time I was listening to hearing (still am).
Conyers did say there will be more.
LS @ 34
I meant Bush I was relatively benign compared to the son. George 41 didn’t know the price of milk. George 43 has (to name but a few) Abu Ghraib, Katrina, the USAs, and 9/11.
And there’s still over a year to go.
The Iraqi’s want us gone. Military officers want us out. The only one who wants to stay is Bush–and he won’t go.
Biodun @ 111
Speaking of Turkey, the genocide of the Armenians took place in the context of an attempted partition of the Western Powers of Turkey proper. The stage is being set for the Kurds to be killed on a scale that would make Saddam look like a tyro.
Re: Empire breakups:
And of cource Yugoslavia was also forged from the ruins of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Well, we know what happened to Yugoslavia. The last remnant of that mayhem is Kosovo, which will be independent by the end of 2007. Only Russia is resisting that at this point. But there’s nothing Putin can do to stop Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence, which the US and NATO countries have said they would recognize.
Putin is not happy with the US at the moment. There’s the pesky matter of US missile sites in the old Soviet republics next door, again the result of the breakup of the Soviet Empire.
Steve-AR @ 115
an encephalitis perhaps?
Have the 12 captains been declared “phony soldiers” yet?
LS @ 34
Hi LS, good list, got a wry chuckle on the “appointed Prez” part. Um, I think we just learned that the spying on US citizens was going on before 9/11…?
Elliott @ 122
OK, I might concede Caligula, but not the Roman empire. how about Nero fiddling while rome burns? Too much talent? ;)
raven @ 108
is there a symbol for a small wry grin?
i’m just sad to see powell there instead of you.
your presence would honor the dead.
powell’s, imo, not so much.
I really dislike having to say this for I was a Pelosi voter and die-hard supporter of Nancy. I have egg on my face. The Speaker is a failure for two reasons. For not cutting off funding for Iraq and taking impeachment “off the table”.
Biodun @ 121
Biodun:
Actually, Yugoslavia lasted as a state for seventy years despite what Germans and their Croatian collaborators did to it in WWII. Hardly mayhem. I think we had a long argument about where I objected to arbitrary notions of what is a viable state, didn’t we?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
I’m feeling the same way OKK
In the beginning of the year, I really thought we had something going…
Bustednuckles @ 93
Happy Birthday, Christy, and have a nice trip.
Thanks for this article. I took the subject and ran with it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
And allowing bills to come to the floor that should have been buried.
albert fall @ 123
I’m sure their service will be called into question in some way or another. Some things are depressingly predictable.
OT,
So what do the wingers do for an encore after smearing a twelve year old about SCHIP?
They go after a TWO year old!
Solai @ 132
Right on all counts, I’m afraid. I’m disappointed in her performance so far.
ccmask @ 119
I really really really don’t understand why Bush and Lindsay Graham are soooo in love with this war/occupation. I really don’t. Not even greed explains it to me. Not even insanity explains it to me.
I. Don’t. Get. It.
Solai @ 132
and keeping bills buried that should be brought to the floor (see holt, fisa).
i had hopes too. now, not so much…
selise @ 126
Yea, I’m not happy about it either, every time I go it’s a real roller coaster. I read names last time late at night, I really like the Wall best when there are not many people there. I especially dislike it when tourists are there, but that’s just me.
Bustednuckles @ 93
Happy Happy Birthday to Christie!
Happy belated Happy Birthday to John Dean, Suzanne, and Laura Doty!
Blow out the candles! iiiiiiiiiiiii
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
I’d add the whole “they are advocates; we are leaders” comment. She despises us.
It’s Chinatown, selise.
Christy Jane and all. My dear friend Peggy Gish is soon to go back to Iraq for four months. Would FDL be interested in Peggy blogging/or writing from Iraq for FDL? She has written to a group of us every week that she had been there from the fall of 2002 and during every visit there (accumulatively 4 years). I could put you in touch with her. She is the most loving, giving, truly Christian person I know (well besides her husband ARt Gish )who will be going back to Israel while Peggy is in Iraq.
Would FDL be interested in having Peggy write to or for FDL?
http://mideastchristians.virtu…..apples.htm
Peggy and Art do not proselytize they live their faith and even hang out with agnostics like me.
brendan @ 129:
I meant the mayhem that began with Bosnia and “ended” with Kosovo. Yugoslavia lasted that long thanks to Tito. I vaguely remember the debate about failed states.
Bustednuckles @ 134
Compassionate conservatism gone wild
do-si-do @ 139:
Christy…*g* I made the same mistake last week, if you can believe that.
does anyone know if there is some kind of group blog effort to let Randi Rhodes know how much we care?
Kathleen @ 144
Those people weren’t rich – what were they doing having children?
((Raven)) I can understand how you might feel about being at the memorial wall when tourists are there…and preferring not to be there at the same time. No argument at all, not at all.
Just want to let you know my daughter and I were there two years ago and it was quite moving (we were tourists). I don’t begin to think that it would be the same impact as for a brother in arms. In fact I was surprised that visiting a memorial could be such a physical felt experience, sort of interactive. It is quite a feat to help those too young to understand the magnitude of sacrifice…
For what this citizen’s two cents is worth. (BTW, my gfather was in WWI and WWII) It is so obvious to me, so far removed from it all, that our military is being abused beyond all comprehension. I cannot fathom the anguish it must provoke in all vets.
Peace.
brendan @ 141
swell.
Biodun @ 145
Ack! I gotta re-do the cake!
Usually I get it right, but not on cake day??? Ack, double ack!
thanks. 8O
do-si-do @ 124
lol! I like your inserts! Of course, there is always Hugh’s list…it just never ends with these guys….
Happy Birthday, Christy!
Cujo359 @ 147
They were not rich, did not have health insurance and “went ahead and had the baby anyway”. What the hell were they thinking? That the compassionate conservatives would make sure they had health insurance. Were they on crack or religion?
OT..It’s more “economy stupid” news..
The housing crunch is most severe in some of the most hotly contested political battleground states, a trend that could spell trouble for Republicans next year.
Six of the 10 states with the highest foreclosure rates in the country last month are considered by leaders of both parties to be swing states. They include the two biggest prizes of the past two presidential campaigns: Florida, which came in No. 2 on the list, with one foreclosure filing for every 248 households in September; and Ohio, No. 7, with one foreclosure for every 319 households, according to a survey by RealtyTrac Inc., a California property-research company.
• Survey Says: The housing crunch is most severe in some of the most hotly contested states, a trend that could hurt Republicans in elections next year.
• Why Republicans? Housing worries could hurt the party that controls the White House, and presidential candidates have been more hesitant than Democrats to address the issue.
• Local Level: Politicians of both parties in states with high rates of foreclosures are taking action.
Ohio’s industrial neighbor Michigan ranked No. 4 in foreclosure rates. Three Western battleground states — Nevada (No. 1), Arizona (No. 5) and Colorado (No. 8) — also make the list
(snip)
WSJ
Kathleen @ 153
They’re ticked that she wouldn’t serve them any MFing ice tea at the country club any more! How dare she leave?
Kathleen @ 153
the answer to these wingnuts would be a very nice;
“it was a commandment from god” (go forth and multiply)
do-si-do @ 148
Yea, I certainly think and hope people go and take meaning from it. I just struggle with being there in that context. During the 10th Anniversary, after a big Vets party a bunch of us loaded in taxi’s and went there. There were several nurses and donut dollies with us and one of the nurses was afraid to go up to the Wall because she really never knew any of the people behind the names. I waled with her and showed her some of the guys I knew, told her about who they were and what they were like. Needless to say it was intense. . .but good. I don’t generally buy this notion of “closure” but, for her it was a start.
peace back at ya
selise @ 137
Pelosi’s Disastrous Misstep on Iran
When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her allies in the chamber’s Democratic leadership initially accepted that spending legislation designed to outline an Iraq exit strategy should also include a provision barring the president from attacking Iran without congressional approval, they opened up a monumental discussion about presidential war powers.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=174804
And cutting critical pieces out of bills (after an A*P*C conference where Pelosi was boo’d) she went back and took out the come back to Congress before you attack Iran clause.
http://www.hillnews.com/leadin…..03-13.html
How Hillary could tank…She tanks if AL GORE RUNS. Run Al Run!
From hubby Bill’s uncharted role to the Karl Rove factor to her scattered hawkish votes, the top 10 reasons why Clinton could take a fatal dive in the ‘08 race.
By Walter Shapiro
http://www.salon.com/news/feat…..illary_10/
Kathleen @ 159
I’m quite worried that Hillary will hand it to the Republics. We cannot afford another Republic President.
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Kathleen @ 159
LS @ 11
Call it the Bush Axiom: anytime a paramilitary organization can get away with actual murder, they will inevitably resort to dealing arms and narcotics.
Expect major Afghan heroin epidemics in the following locales over the next several years:
Proof? You don’t need proof when you’ve got instinct! [paraphrasing Joe Cabot, Reservior Dogs]
They are discussing the Shield law 2102 on the floor
So how does congress protect the American public and National Security from journalist like Judy Miller (lied about sources and WMD’s), Robert Novak (outed a CIA agent) and the “alleged” passing of classified intelligence from journalist to officials or agents of a foreign country.
They are discussing the passing of a Shield Law on the floor. How do you keep the free flow of information open and journalist are able to protect their sources,and at the same time protect the public from journalist who have agendas that have nothing to do with shedding the light on the truth, or getting accurate information to the public? Novak disclosing Plame’s identity did not benefit the public. This disclosure undermined National Security and hurt the American public. Judy Miller hurt our country and the people of Iraq by reporting Lies about Iraq. Miller is drowning in the Iraqi peoples blood and American soldiers blood
I want to know how we make sure journalist like this suffer serious consequences for their very serious and destructive crimes. Journalist are not omnipotent
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/jur…..php?q=h.r. 2102 journalist shield law
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
No need to feel bad. I am in the same position. I worked on her first campaign putting my life on hold and my kids on the back burner to get her elected. Well, my kids turned out fine and have surpassed me when I was their age. Nancy, well, not so much. I’d do it again for another new candidate if I thought we were making headway. Nancy is more like a child that went awry when they grew up. I just can’t dwell on my disappointment.
In summary, I think she was genuine as my representative but the longer she stayed and the higher the position, the poorer her performance. Most good sales people make terrible CEOs.
Kathleen:
This is what’s known as a dilemma. Republicans will always try to seize advantage of any issue, any issue, because they’re not animated by principle; I think we call it “jujitsu” here. Protecting Judith Miller was important to them yesterday. Tomorrow attacking some other journalist will be of more benefit. We got Libby convicted and both Novak and Miller exposed and to some degree demoted; let that be some satisfaction.
A saying is that an elephant never forgets. Well, this old grandma never forgets either.
And Pelosi has been suspect in her ‘progressive’ credentials (as untainted by corporate donors that is) ever since the ‘evenhanded’ slap at Howard Dean.
Howard Dean made a comment about America being evenhanded in its dealings with both israel and Palestine, and Pelosi and others in the ‘house’ (refuse to capitlize it at this point) sent Dean a letter condeming his use of the forbidden word “evenhanded.” Most absurb over reaction I had ever heard. Well, republicans do it all the time, but this was absurd.
So, Pelosi has not been a ‘true leader’ of democrats for quite some time in my mind. The mind of one who will never forget her faux outrage at Dean. *grump*
Don’t blame me — I voted for Harry Britt!
Add to my previous post: I’d bet that 99% of the people who work for the police agencies listed above are fine, upstanding civil servants.
But corruption is embedded in Blackwater, as are any number of bad apples in said agencies.
Good thread, Christy…
Now let’s see which republican (or democrat) wants to, ahem, “man-up”, and call for re-instating the draft. :o)
Biodun @ 4
Phony soldiers defeat phony terrorists?
Susan @ 72
Is anyone working on complete identifications?
Wasn’t Milosevic tried for the same kind of mass killings & mass graves?
Elliott @ 130
We did, but then the DLCers, the Blue Dogs triangulated and now we’re fighting The Source, Billary itself.
There seems to be a tiny lull in the campaign as fought here on fdl. We had Hillaryites over and bashed ‘em pretty good, maybe enlightened a few. But, now there’s nothing going on and I feel like I’m wandering around an empty house.
Just what is next for the online campaign? I mean, neither Clinton nor Obama is just going to take their beating laying down. They’ve got all that money and they’re expected to make some gurgling noises or something they can claim is political rhetoric.
Sigh, this is just too easy. C’mon somebody, put up a fight. Hillary fights like a (deaf mute) girl and Barack just follows behind her like a puppy dog.
John Edwards should win this election in a walk if Americans have any sense!
Gasho @ 13