Comments on: Rudy and the Radios http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:55:20 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: bob h http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1036406 bob h Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:48:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1036406 <p>They stood their ground against the rain of girders and concrete.</p> They stood their ground against the rain of girders and concrete.

]]> By: ccmask http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035948 ccmask Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:06:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035948 <p>Here is a great article called “<a href="http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11973">The Real Rudy </a>from 2006. I find it very interesting that the 23rd floor of WTC-7 remained empty for 10 years, by Silverstein. The guy who had wanted to occupy the floor 10 years earlier, according to the article:</p> <p> Slated as Silverstein’s prize tenant was Drexel Burnham, an investment firm that had been one of Wall Street’s giants. But in a bizarre turn of fate, Giuliani had turned his prosecutorial sights on Drexel, and when his case concluded, the indicted company was finished.<br /> snip</p> <p>The whole article is worth the read, IMO.</p> Here is a great article called “The Real Rudy from 2006. I find it very interesting that the 23rd floor of WTC-7 remained empty for 10 years, by Silverstein. The guy who had wanted to occupy the floor 10 years earlier, according to the article:

Slated as Silverstein’s prize tenant was Drexel Burnham, an investment firm that had been one of Wall Street’s giants. But in a bizarre turn of fate, Giuliani had turned his prosecutorial sights on Drexel, and when his case concluded, the indicted company was finished.
snip

The whole article is worth the read, IMO.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035618 MarkH Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:36:27 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035618 <p>There are possibly a few survivors of 9/11 still around who didn’t partake of the Fund for Survivors.</p> <p>The case still might be made.</p> <p>But, it’s survivors of the firefighters who died who would be most important.</p> <p>Has any of them sued or sought criminal charges of negligent homicide?</p> There are possibly a few survivors of 9/11 still around who didn’t partake of the Fund for Survivors.

The case still might be made.

But, it’s survivors of the firefighters who died who would be most important.

Has any of them sued or sought criminal charges of negligent homicide?

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035613 MarkH Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:31:45 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035613 <p><a href="#comment-1035206"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 65</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Rudy. The hero of 9-11. George W. Bush, the ‘Nam hero.</p></blockquote> <p>!</p> Oklahoma kiddo @ 65

Rudy. The hero of 9-11. George W. Bush, the ‘Nam hero.

!

]]> By: ccmask http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035518 ccmask Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:38:24 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035518 <p><a href="http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=46&id=27364">NEW YORK</a> (AP) — A lawsuit brought by relatives of a dozen firefighters killed at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, was tossed out Wednesday by a judge who said the families gave up their right to sue when they accepted federal compensation.<br /> The lawsuit had blamed Motorola Inc. and the city for allegedly faulty handheld radios that prevented some firefighters from hearing a call to evacuate the 110-story twin towers before they collapsed. Motorola has blamed the communications problems on an overloaded network, not the radios. </p> <p>U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein noted that the families had chosen to be compensated by the federal government’s Victim Compensation Fund, which was set up to provide payouts to victims without the uncertainty of litigation. </p> <p>To receive money from the fund, survivors and heirs of those killed had to forego suing American entities such as security screening companies or the operators of the World Trade Center buildings.</p> NEW YORK (AP) — A lawsuit brought by relatives of a dozen firefighters killed at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, was tossed out Wednesday by a judge who said the families gave up their right to sue when they accepted federal compensation.
The lawsuit had blamed Motorola Inc. and the city for allegedly faulty handheld radios that prevented some firefighters from hearing a call to evacuate the 110-story twin towers before they collapsed. Motorola has blamed the communications problems on an overloaded network, not the radios.

U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein noted that the families had chosen to be compensated by the federal government’s Victim Compensation Fund, which was set up to provide payouts to victims without the uncertainty of litigation.

To receive money from the fund, survivors and heirs of those killed had to forego suing American entities such as security screening companies or the operators of the World Trade Center buildings.

]]> By: Mabel’s Wig Shack http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035405 Mabel’s Wig Shack Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:24:09 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035405 <p>yes. this is huge. a huge indication of poor judgement. and criminal neglect.</p> <p>can’t people be charged for this?</p> yes. this is huge. a huge indication of poor judgement. and criminal neglect.

can’t people be charged for this?

]]> By: Dr Zen http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035391 Dr Zen Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:16:27 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035391 <p>I see the ad now: NOLA under water.</p> <p>“We’ve had one incompetent in charge.”</p> <p>WTC falling down. Audio: “We have no communication at all.”</p> <p>“Do we want another?”</p> <p>Cut to Rudy’s speech about panic and how the firefighters refused to leave. Cut to firefighter:</p> <p>“I didn’t take this job to commit suicide.”</p> <p>If the Dems bungle this one, you might as well get measured up for your brown shirts now.</p> I see the ad now: NOLA under water.

“We’ve had one incompetent in charge.”

WTC falling down. Audio: “We have no communication at all.”

“Do we want another?”

Cut to Rudy’s speech about panic and how the firefighters refused to leave. Cut to firefighter:

“I didn’t take this job to commit suicide.”

If the Dems bungle this one, you might as well get measured up for your brown shirts now.

]]> By: James http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035365 James Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:05:17 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035365 <p>I bought similar Motorola programable multi-channel duplex radios in 1999 at about $500 each, and a repeater station for $2000, with phone-patch capacity. I later bought compatable Japanese radios for $300 each(and they were better and easier to program). I am sure the FDNY repeater stations were more complex, but $14mill for 2700 radios and some repeaters? The 1.4mill original bid (a bulk order) sounds more believable.</p> <p>Something is very rotten here.</p> I bought similar Motorola programable multi-channel duplex radios in 1999 at about $500 each, and a repeater station for $2000, with phone-patch capacity. I later bought compatable Japanese radios for $300 each(and they were better and easier to program). I am sure the FDNY repeater stations were more complex, but $14mill for 2700 radios and some repeaters? The 1.4mill original bid (a bulk order) sounds more believable.

Something is very rotten here.

]]> By: Anna Parenna http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035328 Anna Parenna Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:49:54 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035328 <p>Giuliani knew the radios didn’t work - and not only in the Twin Towers, apparently - thus, he had every reason to expect that a firefighter would die at some point because of the bad radios. He did not take immediate steps to procure working radios (like by asking the NYPD what kind of radios they used).<br /> Isn’t Hilary Clinton the Senator who represents NYC? Would it be totally out of the question for her office to initiate an investigation into these charges? Is it too late since Rudi is no longer mayor? There’s no statute of limitations on murder.</p> Giuliani knew the radios didn’t work – and not only in the Twin Towers, apparently – thus, he had every reason to expect that a firefighter would die at some point because of the bad radios. He did not take immediate steps to procure working radios (like by asking the NYPD what kind of radios they used).
Isn’t Hilary Clinton the Senator who represents NYC? Would it be totally out of the question for her office to initiate an investigation into these charges? Is it too late since Rudi is no longer mayor? There’s no statute of limitations on murder.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035296 selise Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:36:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/15/rudy-and-the-radios/#comment-1035296 <p><a href="#comment-1035283"><em>itwasntme @ 72</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="mailto:Selise@66">Selise@66</a></p> <p>Yes, but Bush could have used, you know, diplomacy! Talking to your friends! The Pelosi/Lantos is a motion in the House only and is about something that happened over 100 years ago! Soothe, soothing is possible for most leaders.</p></blockquote> <p>not in this case - it’s got the turks very pissed. things were already bad enough thanks to bush… we didn’t need the situation made worse right now. stupid, stupid, stupid.</p> itwasntme @ 72

Selise@66

Yes, but Bush could have used, you know, diplomacy! Talking to your friends! The Pelosi/Lantos is a motion in the House only and is about something that happened over 100 years ago! Soothe, soothing is possible for most leaders.

not in this case – it’s got the turks very pissed. things were already bad enough thanks to bush… we didn’t need the situation made worse right now. stupid, stupid, stupid.

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