Brave New Films has a heartbreaking new video up detailing the malfunctioning radios that undoubtedly led to the deaths of untold numbers of firefighters on 9/11. Police in the helicopters saw the towers leaning ten to fifteen minutes before they came down and sounded the alarm and most of the police, who heard the warning, got out. But the firefighters were carrying radios that hadn't functioned in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. After seven years of dawdling, Rudy Giuliani gave a no-bid contract to Motorola to replace them (with the price jumping from $1.4 million to $14 million) but the radios they delivered in 2001 didn't work either, so they were recalled and firefighters were re-issed the old radios.
The results, as the video depicts, were devastating.
But the most outrageously galling part is how Rudy tries to spin the death of the firefighters:
Rosaleen Tallon (brother Sean killed on 9/11): Their radios failed them and that was Giuliani failing them.
Giuliani (appearing before the 9/11 commission): Their willingness, as I describe it, to stand their ground and not retreat and the fact that so many of them interpreted it that way kept a much calmer situation and a much better evacuation.
(people start screaming "No!" from the back of the room)
Mrs. Riches (son Jimmy was killed on 9/11): To say that they heard the command to get out and then didn't...how dare he!
Mr. Riches: And disobeyed their orders...no.
Maureen Santora: (son Christopher killed on 9/11): It was such an unbelievable statement...
Eileen Tallon (son Sean killed on 9/11): That our sons practically wanted to die...
I've long believed that the right wing doesn't really care about abortion (it's the misogyny that counts, and Rudy makes National Merit on that test). But he's got a big problem on the firefighter front.
Susan Faludi in her book The Terror Dream talks about how firefighters became mythologized in the days following 9/11, filling a deep psychological need for superheroes in the wake of the tragedy:
"If one hero has come to stand for it all, it is the New York City firefighter," a New York Times op-ed piece decreed two days after the attacks. They were our most glorious combatants. Under the headline "The Firefighter: An American Hero," People began its homage this way: "Along with the roughly 3,000 civilians killed in the World Trade Center attacks, 60 police officers also died, as did 2 fire department paramedics and 3 court officers. Yet it is the firefighters, valiant warriors on a flame-filled vertical battlefield, who have taken on the mantle of legend, like the Spitfire pilots in the Battle of Britain or Leonidas's 300 Spartans holding the line at Thermopylae -- the few, to paraphrase Churchill, giving so much for so many."
In our "different kind of war," these uniformed men were assigned the role of our new supersoldiers, Green Berets in red hats. "These are the men who will fight our wars," President Bush intoned, after posing with the firefighters at the smoldering ruins, bullhorn in hand, as if he were their commanding officer. "These men are fighting the first battle," Mayor Giuliani declared. In fact, he maintained, they had already won it. "Our firefighters helped save more than twenty-five thousand lives that day -- the greatest single rescue mission in America's history." That was a claim the surviving firefighters themselves would regard as preposterous.
The need to lionize the firefighters as the true heroes of 9/11 left the public (and the media) with little appetite to hear how they had been betrayed by Rudi Giuliani. Falludi goes on to recount how, when Giluliani tried to claim in his appearance before the 9/11 commission that the firefighters had "stood their ground," one of the people in the back of the room shouted "My son was murdered! Murdered because of incompetence, and the radios didn't work." Tom Kean tried to shut her up, saying "You are simply wasting time here."
But Rudy's running for President now, and his whole shtick depends on him being the true hero of 9/11. The fact is, however, that in a competition the firefighters have a much more solid hold on that place in the firmament. It's ironic yet fitting that the power they derive from the national need to fill that void will be used to take Rudy down, but if the families are successful and the New York City Council launches an investigation of what happened with the radios, I frankly don't see how he overcomes it. Even the true believers will have to side with the firefighters, having erected all their justifications for a five year war on the need to avenge their deaths.
If Rudy is revealed to be a greedy, incompetent, excuse-making churl in the process, he can try and follow the right wing playbook and smear the firefighters like they were some brain injured 12 year-old boy.
Good luck to him with that one.
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But he’ll be ready if Mars attacks! I suppose I have to lay off the cheap sexual comments here too huh?
This one is too delicate and too important for the Malkins of the world. This is a job for the professional cleaners. Coulter will be making an appearance any moment.
LS
Happy Birthday yesterday!
The rightwing take on the firefighter is they are a Democratic union and this is just another political spat..and they refer to them as swiftboating the Ghoul.
A major difference is the charges of the swiftboaters were not true. The charges of the firefighters are.
Ghoul as made a fortune off 9/11 and did it as a spokesmodel not a leader.
Goopers fear truth the most
Elliott @ 5
Hey!! Thanks!!
Jane writes:
Like he tried to smear:
Abner Louima
Amadou Diallo
Patrick Dorismond
So, Ghouliani is basically saying that it was a good thing that the radios didn’t work, because it helped prevent panic.
Now, ain’t that
despicablesweet of him to think that way. All he’s interested in is to cover his own sorry butt. He has no integrity at all.Spit!
Giuliani Spends $13M in 4th Quarter
for the record, I manage no assets and have no known associates.
To put this all to rest, Rudy just has to make a simple offer: “let’s just trade the radios of my US Secret Service detail (if/when I get a USSS detail) for the NYFD’s old ones.”
But somehow, I don’t think the USSS would let him do that.
we’re comming out with all this info too early, rudy for president has to loose, I would love to see him nominated
The FDNY pretty much hates the ghoul.
Rudi has so many skeletons in his closet it’s a mausoleum.
He must have a tough skin because the shit he dropped is coming right back and Bernie can’t lock up the truth tossers.
say what you will, it took real guts for Rudy to stand in front of the cameras…in drag. I will always think of him that way.
SanderO @ 13
Rudy and Judy have to hope that Bernie doesn’t become one of the truth tossers. I’d imagine he knows a few secrets and is not really happy at how Rudy has dropped him on his a**.
I got to hear a first-hand account from a FDNY deputy fire chief of the WTC bombing in 1993. They clearly learned from that incident all kinds of issues related to responding to the WTC. There is no way they didn’t push for working radios right after that. The only reason not to have working radios is politics.
But they still went in there and did their jobs, didn’t they? Giuliani is disgusting beyond words. How can he even be in the national spotlight as a contender?
Words on Rudy escape me. But not for long.
The thugs still own the MSM, having kissed all the necessary rings.
Rudy will be their sub-Bush, and be the unquestioned hero they say he is. They have nothing else to hang their hat on, since McCain has slipped into senility and Romney remains a Mormon.
Truth is irrelevant (to them). They won’t go away, nor will their tactics, once they lose Congress and the WH. Radio-less Rudy will remain their hero till the next schmuck meets their MSM/Thug requirements for office.
Well, when you’re Rudy and you can’t wait to make $100 million dollars off the backs of those who died that day, why would you care if you didn’t have a compassionate bone in your body? Blaming the firefighters for their own deaths is fine with Rudy….’cause he knew he was gonna git his monaaaaaay!
LS @ 7
Yeah - Happy Birthday, LS.
Suzanne’s birthday is TODAY!
Happy Birthday!
{{{{{{{ Suzanne}}}}}}}
Can you imagine what a Giuliani administration would look like?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
OT, but I saw where someone showed the website link for Al Gore’s Current TV site where he apparently recently put up his opinions and positions on several current issues, including health care (he’s for a universal single payer program), and warrantless wiretapping. But I wasn’t sure if folks here are aware that you can make comments.
I must admit, I’m kinda excited, because it’s odd that he would put these up (I heard today) if he’s not contemplating whether to run or not. Anyway, I did my begging; wondered if you were going to do yours, OKK, because I know you’re also a big fan, as are several, perhaps many other pups. I consider this the best way possible to let the potential candidate know how we feel!
In case anyone missed the link…
Rudy. This is a man who seems the opposite of family values and tried to promote a thug (Kerik) for Homeland Security Chief. And what about Giuliani’s secret business dealings. What kind of a company does this individual head? Who are it’s clients?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
Yes I can. And it would not be a pretty sight.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
scary
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
Well his company has been known to represent both sides of an issue without informing the clients of the fact he was doing so.
Elliott @ 26
Military Vanilli
perris @ 12
It’s gotta be……Jeb ‘08!
Eureka Springs @ 28
see what I mean?
very scary
Ann in AZ @ 23
Thanks for the info. ;0)
The excerpt of Rudy is very brief but speaks volumes. You see his eyes bulge at the instant he produces his deceptive lie. That gave me a chill.
Even if you don’t particularly care about someone’s views, the kind of operation you see his mind carry out in that instant is revolting.
.
OT - Has Merle Haggard been dippin’ his toe in the lake?
Joke Line seems convinced.
OT
Howard Kurtz is an arshole(just had to say that)
T- @ 33
The fake-cowboy Preznit is called out by Merle Haggard. Perhaps the Republic bubble is really bursting.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
I’m working very hard to make sure this remains in imagination only :-P
Badwater @ 35
that would be too good to be true
and yet, there’s always hope
David Crosby and Graham Nash on Tweety.
These must be the phony firefighters that Rush will be educating us about soon….bet on it.
Eureka Springs @ 28
Damn, that needed a spew alert!
Oklahoma Kiddo @ 22 - be afraid, be very afraid.
I will say this: Rudy makes Hillary look good.
rudi?- If by some strange confluence of the stars this greasy slimy piece of garbage gets the nomination, just watch the crap that comes out about every aspect of rudys’ past! It will be staggering. The only possible way that he can get around the 100 story pile of shit that will be dumped on him is if he can “Render” all the media types that are sitting on the stories! There is no way to concieve of what a evil, lying pig he is!
billjpa @ 43
Watch for Rudi to hire Rove.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 42
Isn’t that unbelievable?
Mark Penn or Norman the Pod?
We’d be relieved to get Penn!
In a just world this guy would be the national hero of 9/11:
William Rodriguez.
http://william911.com/
Ann in AZ @ 23
i think all three were posted yesterday. *g*
It’s almost unbelievable that after seven years of George Bush, the GOP is presenting us with someone worse. Rudy. The Republican standard bearer.
Rudy could give us a twofer.
One , he has all of his dirty past aired out which would have to include all of his enablers in NYC.
Two, He gets hammered and deals a death blow to Republicans as a viable political party for decades.
This is a great ad.
I have to go OT here because it looks like Turkey has just joined the “Coalition of the Willing”! Gosh, another country for Bush…or not. Only a total f*ckup like Bush could get our “allies” fighting each other! The world has turned too absurd today. Maybe we should attack Turkey for attacking the Kurds, who hate the Shiits, who are fighting the…
Cliff Varnell @ 46
geez, that took me right back there,
I’m going for a walk.
Bustednuckles @ 21
Hey Suzanne! what year? (ducks–) it’s my birthday, too. Getting awfully close to that big (gulp) 60. Are you a spring chicken? (ducking out and back to work now)and Happy Birthday!
tejanarusa,
And a Happy Birthday to you too!
Will Olbermann pick up the radio story? After all this time, this is the first time I’ve heard this damning report on the bad radios. 1.4 million no bid contract turned to 14 million in a matter of days for radios that can’t get a signal in the area of the towers. Most of the cops got out b/c their radios worked. No such luck for the firefighters. Shame on Rudy. He’s a dirty SOB. What happened to the price on the no bid contract Rudy?
tejanarusa @ 52
And a happy birthday to you, too!
Elliott @ 37
Vincente Fox, Bush’s other soul mate, also gores him on the fake cowboy schtick.
I’d really like to know what Rove is up to these days in his capacity as facilitator of returning the Republicans to the White House in just a bit over a year. The thought is, we need more info on Karl’s activities. Which GOP presidential candidate is Mr. Rove working for?
This is what I really don’t understand about the Guiliani campaign. It seems that he’s too dirty a candidate for any viability. So why does he appear to have the tacit support of the WH in that so many Guiliani people are in key positions in the administration already? I mean, I can see WHY they’d like him — he’s fully invested in and prepared to continue with the “shock doctrine” form of disaster corporatism. But I don’t see HOW they expect him to pass the most basic of smell tests. I certainly hope they don’t figure vote fraud in a few key places can tip the scales.
Sunlight, SUNLIGHT, SUUUUUNNNNNLIIIIIIIGGGGGT!
peanutbutter @ 55
Happy Birthday to both of you!!
Maybe Kerik will spill some juicy beans.
LS @ 60
Right. And maybe the Bush Family will join Greenpeace.
LS @ 60
Where has Mr. Kerik’s living expenses been coming from for the past couple of years?
Bush has been presidenting for seven years now, all the time pretending to be a Texan. If he weren’t terrified of horses he’d have been shown at least once riding them by now. It’s too good of a PR opportunity to pass up.
Can we be certain Rudy isn’t actually back in 1939, listening to a radio show about a farmhouse in New Jersey about invaders from the planet Mars? It seems as though radios and aliens are mixed up in his lavish and most tremendous brain these days. He seems like he is going to squirt?
Rudy. The hero of 9-11. George W. Bush, the ‘Nam hero.
itwasntme @ 50
sad to say, it looks like bush has had some help this time from speaker pelosi and house foreign affairs chair lantos.
:(
puppethead @ 63
Pretending to be a Texan…
Pretending to be a Cowboy…
Pretending to be a Pilot…
Pretending to be a Veteran…
Pretending to be a Tough guy…
Pretending to be a Christian…
Not Pretending to be a Republic!
selise @ 66
This is unsettling.
To me, the GOP resembles that group of land owners and barons pre Magna Carta. A new and modern version of that document is needed. Perhaps that is what all the fuss is about.
Bush as baron, pre Magna Carta, can you see it?
Apparently, Mitt Romney is trying really really hard to differentiate himself from Giuliani (which in a way is sort of labeling him “the competition”)by claiming to represent “the Republican Wing of the Republican Party.”
Mmmm, and WHAT, pray tell, is the Republican Wing, Mitt?
McCain, who is ticked off that Romney is setting the situation up as a two-man race between himself and Rudy, is saying this:
“Speaking in New Hampshire on Saturday, McCain cited Romney’s checkered Republican past to question whether he should be trusted to lead the party in 2008.
He noted that Romney had contributed money to a Democratic Senate candidate in 1992, had voted for Democrat Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Massachusetts presidential primary…
http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....id=topnews
Now, my question is - HOW does McCain know WHO Romney voted for in the presidential primary? Are not voting records private business? Did Mitt Romney go dancing around singing, “I voted for Paul; I voted for Paul”? This is just a comment on this sort of stuff that gets bandied about to attack other competing candidates. How you vote should be your own damn business.
(and, by way of digression, in Massachusetts, can anyone vote in any presidential primary? Because if not, then either a) Romney spent a certain amount of time, probably drugged or under hypnosis, as a registered Democrat in order to be able to vote in said primary, or b) this is a pile of pig excrement.)
new post upstairs
Selise@66
Yes, but Bush could have used, you know, diplomacy! Talking to your friends! The Pelosi/Lantos is a motion in the House only and is about something that happened over 100 years ago! Soothe, soothing is possible for most leaders.
Ah, Shrub making speeches again.
From the LA Times, wire service story:
[snipped, and anyway that’s about as much as I can stand of him]
Suppose anyone’s even tried explaining to him that it’s the GOP that’s holding up the spending bills?
itwasntme @ 72
not in this case - it’s got the turks very pissed. things were already bad enough thanks to bush… we didn’t need the situation made worse right now. stupid, stupid, stupid.
Giuliani knew the radios didn’t work - and not only in the Twin Towers, apparently - thus, he had every reason to expect that a firefighter would die at some point because of the bad radios. He did not take immediate steps to procure working radios (like by asking the NYPD what kind of radios they used).
Isn’t Hilary Clinton the Senator who represents NYC? Would it be totally out of the question for her office to initiate an investigation into these charges? Is it too late since Rudi is no longer mayor? There’s no statute of limitations on murder.
I bought similar Motorola programable multi-channel duplex radios in 1999 at about $500 each, and a repeater station for $2000, with phone-patch capacity. I later bought compatable Japanese radios for $300 each(and they were better and easier to program). I am sure the FDNY repeater stations were more complex, but $14mill for 2700 radios and some repeaters? The 1.4mill original bid (a bulk order) sounds more believable.
Something is very rotten here.
I see the ad now: NOLA under water.
“We’ve had one incompetent in charge.”
WTC falling down. Audio: “We have no communication at all.”
“Do we want another?”
Cut to Rudy’s speech about panic and how the firefighters refused to leave. Cut to firefighter:
“I didn’t take this job to commit suicide.”
If the Dems bungle this one, you might as well get measured up for your brown shirts now.
yes. this is huge. a huge indication of poor judgement. and criminal neglect.
can’t people be charged for this?
NEW YORK (AP) — A lawsuit brought by relatives of a dozen firefighters killed at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, was tossed out Wednesday by a judge who said the families gave up their right to sue when they accepted federal compensation.
The lawsuit had blamed Motorola Inc. and the city for allegedly faulty handheld radios that prevented some firefighters from hearing a call to evacuate the 110-story twin towers before they collapsed. Motorola has blamed the communications problems on an overloaded network, not the radios.
U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein noted that the families had chosen to be compensated by the federal government’s Victim Compensation Fund, which was set up to provide payouts to victims without the uncertainty of litigation.
To receive money from the fund, survivors and heirs of those killed had to forego suing American entities such as security screening companies or the operators of the World Trade Center buildings.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
!
There are possibly a few survivors of 9/11 still around who didn’t partake of the Fund for Survivors.
The case still might be made.
But, it’s survivors of the firefighters who died who would be most important.
Has any of them sued or sought criminal charges of negligent homicide?
Here is a great article called “The Real Rudy from 2006. I find it very interesting that the 23rd floor of WTC-7 remained empty for 10 years, by Silverstein. The guy who had wanted to occupy the floor 10 years earlier, according to the article:
Slated as Silverstein’s prize tenant was Drexel Burnham, an investment firm that had been one of Wall Street’s giants. But in a bizarre turn of fate, Giuliani had turned his prosecutorial sights on Drexel, and when his case concluded, the indicted company was finished.
snip
The whole article is worth the read, IMO.
They stood their ground against the rain of girders and concrete.