One of the big reasons typically given for Bush’s staying the course in Iraq is that it’s working out just the way he wants, million-person death toll and all.
The main problem with this as a plan is that Bush, Cheney and their PNAC Platoon buddies, while possessed of both arrogance and a complete lack of ambition-hindering scruples, don’t have the intellectual chops to carry it off.
But danged if this all hasn’t worked out to their benefit, if not to anyone else’s (h/t TruthOut):
… The occupation may seem horribly botched on the face of it, but the Bush administration’s cavalier attitude towards ‘nation-building’ has all but ensured that Iraq will end up as an American protectorate for the next few decades – a necessary condition for the extraction of its oil wealth. If the US had managed to create a strong, democratic government in an Iraq effectively secured by its own army and police force, and had then departed, what would have stopped that government from taking control of its own oil, like every other regime in the Middle East? On the assumption that the Bush-Cheney strategy is oil-centred, the tactics – dissolving the army, de-Baathification, a final ’surge’ that has hastened internal migration – could scarcely have been more effective. The costs – a few billion dollars a month plus a few dozen American fatalities (a figure which will probably diminish, and which is in any case comparable to the number of US motorcyclists killed because of repealed helmet laws) – are negligible compared to $30 trillion in oil wealth, assured American geopolitical supremacy and cheap gas for voters. In terms of realpolitik, the invasion of Iraq is not a fiasco; it is a resounding success.
It’s not just that the US — or rather, those oil companies who are Bush’s best friends — would get control of $30 trillion (at minimum) worth of oil. It’s that Bush’s buddies could decide who they want to sell it to. Right now, Russia holds the ace cards in Europe, if not the whip hand, because of its considerable supplies of oil. But once the US got Iraq’s oil pumping at full capacity, suddenly Russia’s hold on Europe diminishes.
But what about China, you ask. Well, China’s power is diminished even further than Russia’s by a US-controlled Iraq:
And think of the United States vis-a-vis China. As a consequence of our trade deficit, around a trillion dollars’ worth of US denominated debt (including $400 billion in US Treasury bonds) is held by China. This gives Beijing enormous leverage over Washington: by offloading big chunks of US debt, China could bring the American economy to its knees. China’s own economy is, according to official figures, expanding at something like 10 per cent a year. Even if the actual figure is closer to 4 or 5 per cent, as some believe, China’s increasing heft poses a threat to US interests. (One fact: China is acquiring new submarines five times faster than the US.) And the main constraint on China’s growth is its access to energy – which, with the US in control of the biggest share of world oil, would largely be at Washington’s sufferance. Thus is the Chinese threat neutralised.
The main problem with all of this is that it assumes that the US doesn’t do anything to cause the Shiites to finally give up on their de facto truce with the American troops and join the Sunni insurgents in attacking us with gusto. However, by pushing for attacks on Shia-ruled Iran, Bush and his fellow PNACers are all but begging the Iraqi Shiites to come and raze the Green Zone and all of the “enduring” super-bases to the ground. (Can you say “Khartoum, 1885” or “Teutoberger Wald, 9 A.D.” or “Dien Bien Phu, 1954“? I knew you could.)
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PW!
Pow!
“Hi Mom, it’s Todd Bemer”.
Evening, PW…
And to think I was just posting this over at Pat Lang’s place Sic Semper Tyrannis 2007:
the most disturbing thing about your post pheoniz women is the fact that it actually makes bush and the PEEnac tp look machaivellan
I prefer to believe anyhting that might look planned was mor coincidence for they are all morons as far as anything I can see
And we never see anything about Bush/Cheney’s BFF’s the Saudis. You know, the country that actually furnished 15 of the 19 hi-jackers from 9/11?
China still has a lot of cards to play in dealing with us – our addiction to debt financing, and our fondness for buying their stuff at Wal Mart to name two.
Now might be a good time to learn to speak Chinese.
Ask the average American if they know the historical significance of Dien Bien Phu, Khartoum or Teutoberger. Americans don’t do history. Those don’t learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
It’s kinda like wakin’ up outta the nightmare, into the nightmare.
Hey! “Hi Mom, this is Todd Bemer”…Oh really??!!
It’s off-topic, I think, but given the fact that W and the neocons are still in charge this site may be where they’re getting most of their ideas:
Crank central
The religion section is very special…
A Jonathan Kozol quote I’ve been trying to hunt down for some time goes something like this: “If an enduring institution seems to have a long history of failing at its mission, then you probably haven’t correctly understood what its mission really is.”
Halliburton stock way up, a few billion in cash looted from the Treasury, tax cuts for the wealthy, large contracts to GOP contributors like Blackwater, control of oil supplies, creeping dictatorial powers–if you’re W., does that sound like a fiasco?
Your point is excellent, but the assumption is that Russia and China will not react to the US action. I’m sure that there are any number of Russian and Chinese think-tanks wargaming this situation. I suspect our control of Iraq would not be the most acceptable outcome
dakine01 @ 7
Yes and I heard recently an interview with a journalist on “Fresh Air” regarding the takeover of the Grand Mosque in the late 1970s:
“A foreign correspondent for The Wall Street Journal, Yaroslav Trofimov traces the beginning of the global jihad to Nov. 20, 1979.
It was the first morning of the new Muslim century, and hundreds of fundamentalist gunmen seized Islam’s holiest shrine — the Grand Mosque in Mecca. The event and its ringleaders have since inspired militants, including al-Qaida.”
One of the interesting things about this is that the way the government was able to get to the terrorists was because one man had the only set of plans to the Grand Mosque – because his construction company had done all the work there. His last name(no secrets here)? Bin Laden.
So once again are we poised to claim… ‘it’s all about oil’?
What would
Dien Bien Phu, Iraq
look like?
The rest of the world is laughing at us. Not at the Iraqis who have been so damaged, but at us. Are we going to do anything at all to show the world this is unacceptable to us before 13 months from now in the polls?
There are a lot of unaccounted for nukes in Russia. And as for China; draw your own conclusions. And then there’s India and Pakistan and our old friends the Israelis. Not to mention that Iran is four times larger than Iraq.
andyg @ 14
Turkey appears eager to stick its fingers in the Iraq pie immediately if not sooner. Are they playing according to neocon rules or are they now writing their own script?
andyg @ 14
I can’t help but think there’s a Chinese Bill Kristol clamoring that the time is ripe to “liberate” Taiwan. Only difference is that unlike Bill Kristol, his strategy makes more sense.
Loo Hoo. @ 18
What would you want, and perhaps expect, our next president to do?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Our nukes seem to be flying around without accountability as well.
Bluetoe @ 10
I never heard of any of those things, but I am only 2 months into my world history class, so maybe there is hope.
Hi PW.
I do wish I could see some real analysis as to whether the “alternate” arguments for iraqi colonization actually have any merit. All morality aside, does it actually make some sort of twisted sense?
I’m just an armchair hack, and am probably blinded by the glaring immorality of the whole thing, but my initial thinking is that investing 1 trillion in todays dollars to have access to $30 trillion in future dollars of access does not seem that wise. After all, its not like we wouldnt have access anyway. Throw in the loss of life and prestige we suffer and it’s harder still to justify.
But although I think CheneyCo are twisted and evil, I dont think they’re stupid. I also don’t think any of the “palatable” reasons hold water (WMD, Tryanny/Freedom, Jihad), and have always assumed it’s over resources, but never see any real analysis regarding this. I should probably read a lot more about peak oil, Saudi Arabia, etc. Any good links?
Actually I am hesitant to take the gamble that Russia and or China will do nothing subsequent to our next military adventure.
Loo Hoo. @ 18
They are not laughing at “us”. They sympathize with the people. They have been through this before. This is the first time the US has been subjected to this kind of blatantly publicized constitutional challenge by its own leadership to this degree. The “people” all over the world look to us to unravel ourselves from this web. That is why it is so important to stick to our Constitution. It is what the opposition is saying, but not doing. We have to do it.
Does Iraq qualify as a quagmire yet? How can any Americans wonder why so many people hate us?
Many longing for the days of “containment”
Eureka Springs @ 23
You are of course alluding to that recent B-52 (I think it was) business. The situation where erveryone said it was merely an oversight. An accident.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
I don’t claim any expertise, but from a blind perspective, talk with the parties and tell them we are getting out. If Americans are harmed on the way, there will be far less money for rebuilding. If Americans are massacred on the way out, there will be none.
OT..Good News? Maybe…
(snip)
All 10 of the top-giving industries tracked by the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan money and politics watchdog group, are now donating more cash to Democrats than Republicans. A year ago, Republicans had the edge in six of the 10 sectors.
(snip)
Republican leaders threatened a freeze-out of business lobbyists who dared hire a Democrat or ignored the names on the leadership’s private hiring tip sheet.
Pay-to-play became the insider mantra during the Republican reign. But “extortion” was how many CEOs described the annual shakedowns by committee chairmen with jurisdiction over their industries.
(snip)
link
Bluetoe @ 10
Oh everyone repeats history. The only difference is whether you’re surprised by the outcome.
Kathleen @ 28
as long as we can see the light at the end of the tunnel it isn’t a quagmire.
Loo Hoo. @ 30
I surely like the getting out part. ;0)
Loo Hoo. @ 18
“The rest of the world is laughing at us” and weeping for the Iraqi people. We have destroyed their country, created a situation where a genocide could take place, millions are dead, and millions of Iraqi people have been turned into refugees. Most Americans could care less and that is extremely frightening.
GordonM @ 32
I like that!! Can I use it?
Had me worried there for a minute. First part of your post directly mirrors a large faction of my group Drinking Liberally, Oakland re: the BushCo reasons for invading Iraq.
So far I’m the only one who sees the possibility of a Khartoum Event, which I first blogged about in 2005, but in the end it’s the Iraqi people who will settle this and I do not seeing PNAC being a success. The day the civil war in Iraq ends, and it will end, is the beginning of the end for America. Not only in Iraq but around the world as the Russia, China and Iran get their own back especially if instead of shifting from our insane dependence on Middle-East oil we continue to ‘put a yellow ribbon on our SUVs’.
Just who is crazier BushCo or the millions of Murkkkans who think drivin’ their two tons of steel, by themselves, to the store to get a quart of milk is the ‘American Way’?
SnarKassandra @ 36
Of course you can!
Israel and Hezbollah swap bodies
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..02B959.htm
A.Citizen, I’m seeing very few NEW SUVs these days. I’m seeing a whole lot more new Priuses.
Current daily oil demand is something over 84 million bbl/day. It is hard to see Iraq providing more than about 5% of that. So while Iraq may someday contribute a significant amount to daily oil output. It will never be enough to give us or anybody else cheap oil.
SnarKassandra @ 24
I am proud that I knew two out of three. Mr. Gnome, having been a classics major and very taken with Augustus probably would have know the thrid. You probably won’t learn any of those in your high school history class. That will come in college.
Amy Goodman covers the latest US killings of innocent Iraqi people
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..15/1351236
Despite Jewish lobby’s growing power, U.S. Jews are losing their bond to Israel
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/912695.html
I have to tell you, I could not think of a more incredible group of people to be with in spirit during this time of history. I love you all. Just wanted to tell you that…differences and all…it is a beautiful thing.
Hugh @ 41
As you have suggested in the past, iirc, Cheap oil is not a likely goal. I don’t think the American people will ever get their trillion or two in tax investments back either, unless buying it at the gas station is considered our repayment.
Slaughter of the Innocents
from Information Clearing House
The truth: we are conducting a slaughter of innocents in Iraq that is as bad as anything the Nazis did in their Eastern Front campaign.
Something is Rotten in Iraq and the Pentagon
By Dave Lindorff
10/15/07 “Counterpunch” — – Isn’t it odd that in the air attack that the US military claims killed 19 high-ranking leaders of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia and 15 civilians, all the slain Al Qaeda members were men and all the men were Al Qaeda, while all the civilians were women (6) and children (9)?
Think about this a minute.
This means that no women were Al Qaeda–and yet we know that women also fight, and also blow themselves up as suicide bombers. Yet these women were all civilians. The children, of course, were children.
And we’re to believe that there were no men who were innocent bystanders? All those adult males who were killed were “bad guys.”
Yet there were innocent bystanders: the women and the children. Somehow, any innocent bystanding men managed to duck out of the way, or the bullets and bomb fragments (and I’m sure they were fragmentation bombs that were used, as well as a withering spray of machine-gun fire) that hit all those poor women and kids, just somehow (magically?) missed the men.
Pretty amazing huh?
Except that it’s an absurd claim that should insult our intelligence.
It’s not like the Pentagon has a list of all the enemy fighters, after all. What actually happens is the military has people come in after an action, and they find all these dead people. They look at the guys and have to decide, are they fighters or are they civilians? If the guy’s got a gun in his hand, or nearby, they might assume he’s a fighter, but is that a good test in a country where every guy has an AK47? And if he doesn’t have a gun? Do you honestly think all 19 of those dead guys had a gun with him? I doubt it. These were people fleeing an attack by US troops and planes. They were–whether fighters or ordinary citizens–fleeing for their lives in a surprise attack. If they didn’t have a gun with them at the time, they wouldn’t have stopped to get one.
Slaughter of the Innocents
Something is Rotten in Iraq and the Pentagon
By Dave Lindorff
10/15/07 “
http://www.informationclearing…..e18557.htm
Establishing peace between Israelis and Palestinians would be a priority in a Clinton or McCain administration, both candidates wrote in foreign policy tracts released Monday.
They both also reiterated that Iran must not be allowed nuclear weapons, advocating strengthened sanctions while indicating that no option should be taken off the table.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S…..e/ShowFull
LS @ 45
xoox
My Mom said, Stick Together!!!!
Our control or otherwise of Iraqi oil can’t hurt either Russia or China unless we leave it in the ground – in which case it will hurt us too. (Economics fact.)
Assume we decide not to sell any Iraqi oil to China, and we simply ship it to America and consume it here. All the oil we would have bought from Mexico, Venezuela, etc., but no longer do, because we’re supplying ourselves with Iraqi oil, is now available on the free market, where China can buy it. Oddly enough, the amount that’s newly available from non-Iraqi sources is exactly equal to the amount we took off the market by self-consuming. So… no net effect.
If we succeed in stabilizing Iraq and then get the hell out, the strategic benefit of having a large field army in the heart of the Middle East is lost. Ergo-the plan is to draw it out for as long as possible.
All a Part of the Plan?
Elliott @ 50
Love U2 Elliot!!
Iran poses a danger to Israel’s security
German Chancellor Angela Merkel backed the possibility of stronger sanctions against Iran before she met Monday with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who planned to travel on to Teheran from Germany.
Iran, Merkel was quoted by Army Radio as telling Putin, was a danger to Israel’s security.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S…..e/ShowFull
Paying The Price: Killing The Children Of Iraq
A documentary film by John Pilger
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15
385.htm
How can we ever be forgiven for what we have done to the Iraqi people?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 55
You don’t think Iran is a threat to Israel?
{{{LS}}}
LS @ 51
Hmm. Was she into natural adhesives, or synthetics? {wink}
Iraqi Kurds’ oil contracts with foreign firms are not only illegal but even cover portion of territory officially outside the borders of their semi-independent enclave, a former oil minister said.
Isam al-Jalabi, who held the oil portfolio under the former regime of Saddam Hussein, said the latest deal the Kurds struck with Texas-based Hunt Oil Company gives it the right to explore and dig wells in areas which are under the jurisdiction of the Province of Nineveh.
http://www.azzaman.com/english…..fname=news2007-10-15kurd.htm
Oklahoma kiddo @ 55
Oklahoma kiddo @ 55
Is Merkel a lame duck? This remark sounds like something a German PM would say who is on her way out the door.
LS, love you too and all the pups! STICK TOGETHER!!!
raven @ 57
Absolutely. And I think Israel poses (especially under Bibi) a threat to world peace.
Another gooper jumping ship?
KayBee Hutchison stepping down by ’stepping up’ for a run as TX governor?
http://www.statesman.com/news/…..uture.html
Thought you guys might want to know that today/tonight is Suzanne’s birthday. If you don’t frequent late night, she is the Mod with the Most. She will be taking off her mod hat and putting on her party hat tonight. Stop by to sing Happy Birthday if you can.
GordonM @ 32
History doesn’t usually repeat but it sometimes rhymes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 64
That covers a good bit of it. Now there is the US, China, Pakistan, India, Russia, Turkey. . .long threatening list, damn near endless.
Muzzy @ 65
It always seems like Groundhog Day with her, Spectre, and Orrin Hatch being around for so long.
TeddySanFran @ 67
I like that Teddy!
John @ 52
Not exactly. Europe needs light sweet crude (very good oil out of the ground, like most ME nations have), as do many other nations. Venezualan and Canadian stuff is very heavy. China’s gearing up for it, but we can deal with it right now.
Pretty much every country in the Middle East poses some kind of a threat to every other country in the Middle East.
GordonM @ 59
No…Bwahahahahaha…she was outstanding!.. She fought the Nazis…she was the ultimate flirt…in fact, she was “Beauty of the Week” in DC..in the 40’s….before she died at the age of 89…she was a “piece of work” of the best kind. Crazy life story actually.
raven @ 57
No I don’t. I think Israel is a very serious threat to Iran. Ariel Sharon, Richard Perle and many other radicals have been threatening Iran for at least six years that I have been aware of. Israel pre-emptively invaded Lebanon, pre-emptively bombed Syria. Israel has been threatening Iran for quite some time. Professor Juan Cole has stated that the neo-cons and others have completely misinterpreted Iranian President Ahmadinejads words referring to Israel.
Israel’s massive stockpiles of nuclear,
biological and chemical weapons are the prime reason for the arms race in the middle east. Israel refuses to sign the Non Proliferation treaty and has for years.
That explains you, LS!
re KBHutch in case you have to/don’t want to register:
LS @ 73
Your parents have a a fascinating history!
I’m not sure WHAT the oil ploy is- but there certainly IS one. One theory is that the game is to get Iraqi oil out of the control of OPEC- NON- OPEC oil is a reducing portion of the whole currently.
Elliott @ 33
Well, as long as that light isn’t the headlight of an oncoming train…
AP – The United State alone cannot force Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Monday. Gates called Iran as “an ambitious and fanatical theocracy,” and said he has yet to find “the elusive Iranian moderate,” according to remarks prepared for delivery at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.
off-topic, but i’m just now finding out that the guy who brought suit in london against the school who showed al gore’s film was heavily financed by the british isles coal and nuclear industry.
Marion in Savannah @ 79
I can’t be guaranteeing that! ;)
Elliott @ 70
Our President, who is a vociferous reader, a deep thinker, a decider, and now a vetoer cuz he gets to veto, has a special aphorism on history – “We’ll all be dead”. And he’s helping us all get there quicker.
Elliot, did you get the firefox add-on to work?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
You know I often feel like I live in “an ambitious and fanatical theocracy” where it is hard to find an “elusive Republican moderate”.
Loo Hoo. @ 84
I’ll answer ya FB, thanks
I don’t think that the oil producers want a President Gore. You know profits and all.
Loo Hoo. @ 66
Happy Birthday Suzanne.
Check out Perry Como and Lena Horne. Two of my favorites from the 50’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Atn0arjkk
Hugh @ 85
Ain’t that the truth.
Elliott @ 77
They sure do!!!! Sometimes I think I’m the “aftershock” of their lives. My parents lives and their influences occurred so many years ago…I know that other people live that kind of life. It is interesting. My own personal life is devoted to peace and progression of the realization of what has already occurred and to learn from it. Same old story. I want peace and rationality. The compromise for political dominance makes me coo, cooo…….*g*
Suzanne is awesome. I hope she’s having a great B’day.
Bush is a vociferous reader because he has to sound out the words. I should have said voracious.
FL Governor Charlie Crist is about as close to a Republican moderate as you’ll find these days, IMO. He’s pissed off the kool-aid crowd on several occassions.
RonD @ 91
Yes!! Happy Birthday Suzanne!!!
skippy @ 81
Thanks for the update, Skippy. I guess they have nutters there too.
A little birdie told me that all of you who are fans of Stephen Colbert and/or Dennis Kucinich should watch The Colbert Report tonight !
Kathleen @ 88
Here’s two of my faves from the 50’s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPZrgebMLAw
Valley Girl @ 95
And wasn’t it a coincidence that the judges decision was determined within days of the Nobel prize announcement….sure wasn’t wingnut planning now was it?
going into kitchen to get more tinfoil for new hat
skippy @ 81
Then don’t you mean “brought soot”? [running for cover]
Okay, Petro. Will do. You saw Colbert’s
“>editorial in the NYTimes, didn’t you?
PW, do you think it’s valid to argue that, in order to maintain strategic position, pressure to leave Iraq = pressure to invade Iran?
Whoops! Colbert’s
“>editorial in the New York Times, petrocelli.
GordonM @ 99
I think the Judge was displaying the usual British humor, having several comments read after students watch “An Inconvenient Truth”.
The kids will be snickering at the comments and those who propagate them.
WTF?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..mp;ei=5087
Petrocelli @ 96
Thanks Petrocelli! I so admire Kucinich and have enjoyed his droll sense of humor and intrepid campaigning. One of the many reasons I’m still cheerleading for President Gore is I have this silly notion Kucinich’s dream of a Department of Peace could well be realized in a Gore administration.
Loo Hoo. @ 104
Stephen is brilliant in this editorial … he spoofs Frank Rich in one line …
newspaperbrat @ 105
while my admiration for Kuchinich’s ideas is boundless my feeling for what President Gore would offer him is far more limited.
sort of ‘postage stamp’ sized. or maybe even ‘frozen green pea’ sized.
maybe even a ‘pin prick’ sized.
but you never know…
Petrocelli @ 96
that means I should be keeping an eye on C & L!
Thanks for the tip Petro
Sen. Pete Domenici of New Mexico has announced he won’t seek a seventh term because he has dementia.
The old Republican has been has been diagnosed with frontotemporal lobar degeneration, a degenerative brain disease known as Prick’s disease.
Though the progress of the disease is erratic and unpredictable, it hasn’t stopped him thus far from being a Republican.
newspaperbrat @ 105
Hiya NPB, long time no see … when I take the best points of all the candidates and roll them into one, I get Al Gore !
With Edwards as his VP, there will be 16 years of amazing growth in America and worldwide peace.
I hope and pray that Elizabeth lives through all of it and beyond !
As long as we’re not being paranoid…remember the lrgal theory that says “Free Speech Zones” are permitted under the 1st Amendment? What stops that from being expanded into the media, where all critical or dissenting programming is only on certain channels or websites, or at certain times?
This is my take on the right wing crazies criticizing Graeme Frost in the SCHIP debate.
hackworth @ 109
Don’t the call it REPRICKs disease?
hackworth @ 109
707 !!!
Good night for Lahoma and me. Hey, it’s been political, what can I say.
SnarKassandra @ 112
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I will be there to help your campaign, when you run for office !
Good night to you and Lahoma, OKK.
Petrocelli @ 110
Hear, hear!
ReElect President Al Gore and Vice President John Edwards 2008!
SnarKassandra @ 112
Good work, as always.
Cassie,
this song makes me think of you!
Unwritten
Loo Hoo. @ 104
For me the real WTF is this. Every link I’ve seen had the caveat that it might be a hack/hoax/plant. But it’s been up for days now, so I think we can assume it’s real. Even in character, I doubt Colbert could come up with that.
LS @ 45
It’s THE smartest place I hang out. Here and The Agonist fill me up intellectually. Sometimes I’m even overwhelmed.
I still think I’m a genius, just a little more humble about it.
(Pfft)
SnarKassandra @ 112
Did anyone catch Graeme Frost’s parents on Keith Olbermann tonight?
newspaperbrat @ 118
… and keep Bill away from the interns … *g*
Petrocelli @ 96
Forgot thanks
SnarKassandra @ 112
As a former (very former) 12 year old boy, you make a great point, Cassie.The viciousness of the rethug attack only emphasizes that they can not win on the merits. As an old law professor of mine once said: “If you have the facts, pound the facts; if you have the law, pound the law; if you have neither, pound the table.”
hackworth @ 109
HAAAA!
GordonM @ 121
are they kidding!!
Don’t they call it REPRICKs disease?
That was a typo – my finger slipped. It’s actually called Pick’s Disease. Can you believe it?
I read your Frost piece. It is good satire that makes a valid point.
Elliott @ 128
I read that this was the work of some Rep staffers and it did not go over well with either party …
@ 123
The video is up over at C&L
Petrocelli @ 106
On old people “they look like lizards”. Colbert is so funny.
dakine01 @ 131
Thank you Sir !
dakine01 @ 131
Thank you. I wandered around until I found an unattended TV. His parents were great.
Petrocelli @ 133
yes, Thank you Sir !
GordonM @ 121
I don’t understand. The Corbert/Dowd article is for real. Your link, if really from Burton is the question, right?
Kathleen @ 132
The amazing thing is how brilliant and funny his comments are, night after night … esp. the ‘Word’.
SnarKassandra @ 113
Redicked! As my brother argues there is something just plain wrong with these people, when they believe their own lies……..
@ 123
Yes and it was one of his best, the parents were normal and rational, the best part was showing horrible pictures of the kids a month after their accident showing just how severely they were injured[just how sick can you be to attack severely injured children?].
The parents joked about all the “rumors” and said they wish it was so but NOT. They were regular folk just like they said.
Petrocelli @ 137
Terry Gross interviewed Stephen Colbert on Fresh Air last week. And, I was flipping around the TV Saturday afternoon and ran across Colbert talking to Larry King with a live audience on CNN. I only caught the last 10 minutes of him on King’s show.
Turkey is playing our game for the moment.
Under the cover of being all bullshit over the Armenian Genocide resolution, they will destabilize various areas of Iraqi Kurdistan, areas critical to the feasability of any deal between the Kurds and the Iranians to export oil from Kurdistan through Iran.
@ 123
I did. I thought they did OK. It was a little flat. What are you going to do, though. They’re real people – not actors. They said what they wanted to say in the way they wanted to say it – and they made their point. Keith was kind to them. It was a just a little flat. Perhaps the mom should have spoken more. The dad looks like John Denver. They seemd like nice folks.
@ 140
I have it on Tivo and will watch it later tonight after TDS & TCR.
This is crazy talk from a far leftist radical femblog! Only crazed hippies and communists say things like the war was for oil! You know, nutcases like Alan Greenspan, General Abazaid, and James Webb.
Back to SCHIP, here’s a note from a friend who visited Phil Paule, Darrell Issa’s hotshot here in the district. Exact response Demi and I got when we visited. He might as well push a key on a tape recorder. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE:
Today I went with three other Vista residents to Congressman Darrell Issa’s office. We brought with us a letter signed by several dozen residents of the 49th district, urging our Congressman to vote to override President Bush’s unbelievable veto of the SCHIP program. As many of you know, SCHIP is an existing program that the Democrats want to expand to cover more middle-class kids whose families can’t afford health coverage.
The four of us met with Phil Paule, who is Issa’s representative here at the district office. We had done our homework–we knew the numbers, the costs, how the program works. We knew that we didn’t have much chance at achieving our goal (getting one more vote to override the veto), but it was important to us that we try.
After waiting a half hour past our appointment time, we were finally ushered into Mr. Paule’s office. Here are a few of the things we were told about why the Congressman voted No on the SCHIP bill, and why he won’t vote for the override:
- California’s children have sufficient coverage, and the SCHIP expansion is unnecessary. (He actually said that all of California’s children have health coverage, which is flatly false.)
- There is a lack of personal responsibility in our country, and if parents would give up their cell phones, their kids wouldn’t have to go to the emergency room for basic medical care. (No, I’m not exaggerating–he actually used the cell phone example.)
- Health care is not a right. (He is under the impression that anyone who wants it can get it. He doesn’t understand that not all can afford it, and that the insurance companies are able to deny coverage.)
- People shouldn’t have to pay for other people’s kids to have health care. (But it’s our duty to pay far more on the Iraq War than we would pay for decades of SCHIP. Truly, this children’s health program requires the same amount of money that we spend in Iraq in two weeks–about $35 million for one year.)
wesgpc @ 144
I just want the US to dominate the Iranian pistachio groves.
Paule used the cell phone line with us too.
Well its Cleveland to the World Series…. tonight will determine it will be Denver v Cleveland. Damn wanted the Dbacks to win.
katymine @ 139
I work in a rehab hospital. We get brain injury patients daily; it’s our primary – inpte and out. It is absolutely awe-inspiring.
That boy has made amazing progress going from that hospital to giving the Democratic response. He’s the hero in all this.
Eureka Springs @ 146
Dates … Dates will become the best biofuel source … *g*
Phoenix; good thread.
Same the old argument;
Did these assholes PLAN it this way, with the Machiavellian skills that the paranoia of some of us on the left attribute to them?
Or; were they just a bunch of rightwing ideologues who could fuck up a can of peaches?
I think the jury is in, and I think the verdict much favors the latter charge.
The notion that bush and Company worked this out, step-by-step, is the purest of nonsense.
The idea that they fully expected to:
be backed into a corner….
have Iraq imploding around their ears…
Have republican rats heading for the hawser lines like it was the Titanic, except sitting at a NYC pier…
Be looking at the strong probability of a democratic tidal wave in 2008…
Be spending $2.5 billion dollars a week, in “the war that will pay for itself”…(No end in sight!)
Be TRYING, 4 and 1/2 years into the clusterfuck, to defend the deaths of 50-100 American troops EACH month…(No end in sight!)
Be TRYING To deal with the increasing defections from republicans in congress…
Be dealing with some of the lowest presidential approval ratings in history…
Be dealing with Field Grade officers like Sanchez, denouncing the war for the “unending nightmare” that it is…
Be dealing with a substantial part of the Turkish army poised on the northern border of what used to be Iraq, while they play with george bush’s ‘nads like Humphrey Bogart/Captain Queeg with his little steel balls in “The Caine Mutiny”…
Be RESPONSIBLE for the hardliners in Iran, who were very much on the defensive, pre-invasion, but whom are now sitting in the driver’s seat there, courtesy of Operation Enduring $hitmire…
Be responsible for the almost certain partition of Iraq, whether it’s 1 year from now, or 10 years from now…with all of the attendant Lebanon-on-crack-meth aspects, that that entails…
We really could go on, but why use all the bandwidth?
Bush and the petro-borgs are trying to whistle past the goddamdest graveyard in the history of that metaphor.
They did NOT, and still DO not have a clue. They are reacting, day-to-day, to the Boschian hell-hole they so have idiotically AND unexpectedly (for them!) created in Iraq.
And, those of us with the room-temperature I.Q.’s necessary to know what a fuckup it would be to invade and try to occupy Iraq, are so pissed, and so impatient to have it, or (we hope) OUR part in “IT” end, that, in our frustration, we have this tendency to imbue bush and the rest of his bloody-handed Keystone Kops with the coldheartedness and planning ability of Joseph Stalin.
They certainly make the cut for “coldheartedness”. There has to be a special place in hell for anyone who talks about “giving the Iraqi people a chance for peace and freedom” who had a fucking MICRON to do with creating the charnel house that is Iraq today.
But, “Planning Ability”? Not in a pig’s ass.
Please, please, don’t anyone try to tell us that what is going on in Mesopotamia now, was scripted out by these people.
If we could remove the Rose Bowl Queen denial-tiaras and delve one centimeter deeper into their heads than the canned photo-ops, and the pulsating neon “FREE KOOLAID!” signs, we would see a fear and panic level of Jungian proportians. What else can they do, but pretend that they’re right on top of things?
Now that they have so thoroughly knocked up Rosemary, and her baby is turning out to be the “Alien” monster, what else can they DO but keep talking about how cute he is?
No.
In their desperation, they are only the worst of reactionaries. And, that is likely to be exposed, in a few more months. It won’t be pretty, and it is going to be painful for a lot of americans who followed bush like he was a Judas-goat.
I believe that enough of them can face the truth, to help us try to salvage something out of this misery.
Would I bet another $20 on it? I dunno; I’m already astounded at the number of people sentimentally attached to a democratic candidate whose positions on Iraq don’t have a dime’s worth of difference with those of george bush.
Ask me that question about the bet again, a month, or maybe, three months, from now.
Loo Hoo. @ 136
It really is the Republican response from that committe on SCHIP. Really.
The Reid / Pelosi attempt to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory will be unsuccessful. The GOP are going all out for utter annialation in 2008, with a fanatical discipline that the Hammer would be very, very proud of. (Also, the Hemmer, of course.)
katymine @ 148
Damnit. It took me three days to find a hat without that damned Chief Wahoo on it the last time they won their division. 1999? 1998?
Blogs mock Giuliani for space invader answer
with video
links through at link
katymine @ 148
Not so fast … the Yankees’ fans thought as much a few years back …
Hmmmm, where have I heard a similar story involving an Asian nation building up its military, an expansion that required more and more crude oil supplies, while threatening its neighbors.
Japan.
Before World War II.
The U.S. and Britain trying to dry up Japan’s oil supplies in Southeast Asia, in an attempt to slowdown Imperial Japan’s expansionist militaristic policies, which was one of the excuses Japan used to start attacking other nations…it’s all about the oil, baby.
Are we seeing a repeat?
Except with one difference.
Bush and Cheney, and their completely insane policies, have actually weakened the United States, to the point that we are literally teetering on the edge of the abyss. They’ve weakened our military. They’ve weakened our economic strength around the world. They’ve consistently and obsessively violated their oath to uphold and defend our U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They’ve outsourced the typical, historical function of our military to a bunch of crony right-wing gunslingers who are building their own land, sea and air forces, a paramilitary empire that knows no borders nor holds any allegiance except to profits…all paid for with no-bid U.S. taxpayer money.
And certain insane neo-con Republicans want to bomb Iran, which will probably touch off World War III, especially with Iran having so many economic (oil and gas aupplies) and military contacts with Russian and China.
Unless Bush and Cheney are stopped immediately through the impeachment of both of them…our children will pay a heavy, heavy price for the evil these two have loosed and are about to unleash upon the world.
Probably EPU’d, but I usually read “Late” and “Late Late” the following day when it’s way too late to the party to comment. So I just want to wish Suzanne a very happy birthday from a FDL regular (mostly lurker). Party on, my dear!! Your comments always make me smile!
Hope she comes downstairs to read our good wishes!
GordonM @ 152
From a purely political point of view, will the Dems gain or lose if they don’t overturn the veto of Schip?
The Oracle @ 156
The good news is that all friends of Bush/Cheney are making out like bandits – oil, weapons, Blackwater …
Rudy Giuliani vows to put missiles on Uranus.
-GSD
Yeah, what’s not to like about Iraq?
You’ve got your geo-petro powerplay, you’ve got your almost genocidal extermination of a poor & suffering people, you’ve got your plundering of the U.S. Treasury right from under the peoples noses (ala the Savings & Loan plunder only bigger), you’ve got your religious crusade/war, and you’ve even got a bit of sadistic torture to keep the Chimp amused.
No wonder the Washington status quo is working to keep it alive.
No wonder the Democrats have opted to join in the festivities.
Hugh @ 85
Despite the consensus, I don’t think this guy “Round ‘em up Mukasey” is one either.
http://www.miamiherald.com/692/story/272237.html
wesgpc @ 144
Yes. Its an interesting point. Rightards of all stripes are coming out with this astute observation at this point when the DFH’s knew it pre-invasion.
Remember when UN Inspector Hans Blix was asking the USA to wait – that Saddam was cooperating with the inspections? Alas, the US already had the big build up in the Gulf and Dubya had a raging h*rd on to unleash the Shockin’ Yaw!
I actually thought that cooler heads would prevail. Saddam was cooperating with the inspections! Then I heard that SOB Dan Rather beating the drums of war. That was the day I knew it was not going to be stopped.
The dems will lose, Twain, if they don’t get SCHIP right imo.
Twain @ 158
I think SCHIP is a win for them either way, though probably more so if they overturn. At this point (Rethug spin to the contrary) the polls show that Reid and Pelosi do not define the Democrats.
Petrocelli @ 133
GO KO
msmolly @ 157
Good Golly Ms Molly you are Too Cool for School!
Our Ms Suze doesn’t miss a thing IMHO. ;~)
Please, go easy on Dan Rather, he gets weepy when attacked.
-GSD
Dear PW,
You’re not paranoid if they really ARE out to get you! And they are! One of the trademark Cheney-Rove methods is to cement changes in place that cannot easily be undone, that create “facts on the ground” that will force the hand of any successor. And I think Cheney & Bush have “botched” the Iraq war in such a way that we can’t leave it without causing (arguably) worse problems than if we stay. It is a dirty, dastardly trick gambling thousands of lives on a very partisan gamble. And it is not the only such trick. Stacking the federal government with neo-con minions is another example that will be hard to clean up. Comey has testified that it will take years to undo the damage to the DOJ– just as planned. Cheney & Rove have left time bombs all over the U.S. Government, some of which we may presently not even be aware of, that just tick away, waiting for their moment to blow huge gaping holes in another well-intentioned Democratic program that actually works.
I prefer to think of Cheney & Rove as saboteurs of the worst sort. We have yet to learn about all of the worm holes they have created in our government.
Bob in HI
GSD @ 160
If he’s elected (snort) pray for Vaseline.
Several serious commens:
1) Think too much worrying about next President. Need to get in a good Congress. That is essential. I think it is difficult to determine what presidential candidates really think at this point, since I believe the are all positioning themselves. A good, aggressive, progressive, independent and co-equal Congress is most vital thing.
2) I think the all these grand Riskesque geopolitical energy security scenarious concerning Russia or China or India or Eurasian influence zones are assinine. What have we done through foolish military aggression? The US just replaced a very speculative, very doubtful scenario a decade in the future with a very real disaster right now. Even on their own geopolitical nonsense game terms, they have created a disaster. Anybody who would risk what we have seen unfold for their grand strategies is stupid and crazy and vicious (namely, Cheney).
3) What is worse than a Machiavellian? Incompetent Machiavellians who are too lazy or arrogatnt to actually read a thin book, or too stupid to understand it.
Below we find good advice on the importance of the keeping the mass of population on one’s own side from Machiavelli’s The Price. Can you think of any advice more ignored, more antithetical, more downright repugnant to Cheney-Bush that that below?
“… one of the most efficacious remedies that a prince can have against conspiracies is not to be hated and despised by the people.”
“I repeat, it is necessary for a prince to have the people friendly, otherwise he has no security in adversity.”
“For, although one may be very strong in armed forces, yet in entering a province one has always need of the goodwill of the natives.”
I will always cut Dan Rather some slack, for the way he stood up to that Party hack in Tianenman Square, when said hack tried to shut down his broadcast. IIRC, said hack retreated and returned with security personnel, at which point the plug was pulled over Rather’s vociferous objections. It was a defining moment for Rather with me.
GSD @ 160
Yow! If Giuliani gets a chance to try his approach to Rissia and China, that pun won’t be so funny.
RonD @ 172
Too bad he was in the bathroom powdering his hog when our nation was getting overrun by tyrants.
-GSD
Machiavelli’s The PriNce.
Bush and the Neo-cons=Hackiavellis.
-GSD
newspaperbrat @ 167
Suze is wunnerful — I especially like the threats to “put hands on hips” when us pups get rowdy. I’ve been following the wedding dress search. And I do enjoy the Lurking Mod (hiya, LM!), too. Fun meeting the backstage crew, even if it’s the next day and too late to say hello!!
Yes, the idea all along has been to decimate the Iraqi population to the point that the oil producing areas would be wastelands, where the oil companies could plunder the resources relatively unimpeded.
What a monsterous plan. Putting aside the staggering death toll (??) and the damage to American credibility for the next 300 years or so, the money that has been wasted/turned to ash is so considerable that it could’ve made the US energy independent. CAFE standards could’ve made a huge leap and energy efficiencies could’ve leap-frogged those of Europe. Deserts could’ve seen masses of PVs and the midwest filled with windfarms. Wave power could’ve been online now and other technologies that are being held back for lack of funding would’ve boomed.
Clearly, something else was at work here. War profiteers needed to be shipped palletloads of hundred dollar bills, oil company cronies had to be given oil that they had no legitimate claim to, the entire U.S. treasury had to be emptied into the pockets of Bush pals to intensify the coming of the slave-master classes. We’re being set-up with our own money, the legacy of our country sold out from under us by criminals, the likes of which history has never seen.
We could’ve taken a very different path, but a small group of traitors decided to attack their own countrymen and to use that attack to start a war against anyone whose land sits above oil deposits. Too bad the criminals are at the helm, rather than the visionaries we actually need.
Lurking mod, when is your birthday? We will get you presents and cakes!!!!
g’evening folks.. its me without my kelvar and nomex lined mod hat…. and no f
SnarKassandra @ 179
DING DING!!
Suzanne @ 180
why no f?
Happy birthday Suz!! Woo hoooo!
Suzanne @ 180
(((Happy Birthday))) Ma Cheri…!!! *g*
my f is tied into my magic mod powers when i log into the lake…. which i did not do tonight.. this is the regular me
Suzanne @ 180
HAPPY HAPPY, Suzanne! We were hoping you’d show up early to see our b’day wishes!
Suzanne @ 180
Birthday in your Birthday suit..) Happy happy happy B-day Suz!
Suzanne @ 185
Wow, the things one learns at the lake!
Suzanne @ 180
Take it easy at first….. going naked is difficult to get used to
Happy Birthday, Suzanne!
Hey Suzanne! Even on your B’Day… Devotion.
Happy Birthday!
HAPPPPPPPY BIRRRRTHDAY SUZANNE!!!!
MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY!!!
On with the Birthday hat!
Happy Birthday, Suz!
Hey, there’s the other birthday girl…
Happy birthday Laura!!
Happy Birthday Mighty Mod Suzanne!!
Happy Birthday Suzanne!!!
Here are your balloons!
More to come.
Happy Birthday Laura!
Laura Doty @ 192
happy birthday, birthday twin
(((((laura))))
Suzanne…. I wish you a very happy birthday… many more of them…. Any month that has your birthday, my own mothers and John Deans must be primo
Happy b-day doggies.
-GSD
That’s right – Happy Birthday, Laura!
Laura Doty @ 192
And a Happy Birthday to you, Laura…!!!
THANK YOU one and all and especially
{{{{{{{{{Suzanne!!!!}}}}}}}}
Suzanne @ 198
Hope you each had a great day today.
That American Chap @ 178
This fits with the empty space plan for Afghanistan….
http://www.cursor.org/stories/emptyspace.html
Laura!!
Laura Doty @ 192
Happy Birthday laura doty!!!!
Here is a little cake for you.
are ya’ll trying to make me go through my one box of kleenex faster? all the f/b gifts and notes and cards – oh my – i’m going to blame these leaky eyes and sniffles on my allergies
Laura, I didn’t know! Happy Birthday to you too!
This is for both of the birthday ladies.
Suzanne @ 208
your sentimental allergies!!
Suzanne, while there are a world of things you could be doing, you choose to hang out with us every night, and enable us to hang with each other, and I don’t think anyone would argue that as a group we are intensely grateful.
RonD @ 212
ding ding ding ding ding
Well said, RonD!
LoudounLib @ 194
(((Laura))) Happy Birthday!
*sends more Kleenex to Suz via a FedEx jet*
Happy Day. Have some cake!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/r…..342418170/
Mother of the Bride.
GSD @ 160
To make war on Pluto? Which maybe bitter it’s no longer a planet.
will I go to hell for posting an R Kelly birthday video?
Step in the name of love
Loo Hoo. @ 218
I like that.
I just got kicked outta backstage – turns out they have a fucking no party hat rule
Come on upstairs, y’all.
OT, but Charlie Rose, at least here on WETA/PBS, is GRILLING pre-destiny Prince and Blackwater. Giving it to him, and really digging in on Prince. Prince, I know members of his ilk, cannot handle this type of questioning because it calls for them to think on their feet. Charlie is going after him like a prosecutor. Get him Charlie!!!!! This is my own little charade, sorry folks.
404!
New Thread on this, Day 1 of Suzanne’s Birthday Season
the new thread just went *poof*
RonD @ 17
I think Tet is a better metaphor – a Pyrrhic victory that shows the light we see isn’t the end of the tunnel.
Suzanne @ 222
Sheeit.
Holy crap! New thread upstairs and I’m getting a 404 message!
…or maybe not. They slammed the trapdoor on us, I think.
RonD @ 226
New thread misappeared
Get Tough @ 224
I hope you are right, previews looked like a cakewalk
RonD @ 226
it ain’t there! :(
Dang and I got Zed plus 1 too then poof it was gone
they are toying with us
Blame the 404 on Mercury Retrograde.
Where’s spiderpaws?
Suzanne’s B’day overloaded the servers.
Suz, don’t you go away to fix that 404. It’s your BIRTHDAY, girlfriend!
Steve-AR @ 238
Surprise!
It seems to have reappeared. I’m getting the perpetual refresh sign again.
Professor Foland @ 13
Oh yes indeed. I love the Kozol quote. Hope I can find it.
Elliott @ 233
It started out like that; just Charlie being respectful to his guest, no matter that the little prick thinks Rose is going to hell because he is not CRC. He quotes several sources, both military and the press, that Blackwater committed crimes, and really got Prince squirming. Charlie is not usually THAT confrontational, and when he is, both to the left or right, it is very short thrift. But he gives it to Prince for more than 15 minutes and doesn’t let up.
And about that sovereign Iraq we pretend to be welcoming in good faith:
http://www.alternet.org/story/65197/
While Iraqis struggle to survive on a few, unpredictable hours of electricity a day, the giant and growing Balad Air Base full of Americans is lit up 24/7, looking like the Las Vegas Strip from the air.
A “monstrous plan,” indeed, That American Chap @ 178:
Get Tough @ 243
Thank you !
I was gonna blow it off but thanks to you I recorded it.
katymine @ 148
Don’t count them chickens ….ain’t over yet!
Elliott @ 245
My pleasure, spread the word on Blackwater, Prince and his cult.
Muzzy @ 65
She’s been making vague noises about perhaps leaving. One reason given, and I’m paraphrasing here, was to make more money to provide for her family.
TR @ 248
Karl, how’s your republican majority “Republican Forever” project going now? I still love Fitz quote when someone mentioned her quote during the Libby trial when she said, “I hope that he is convicted of a crime and not the coverup.” And Fitz said, “that talking point won’t fly.” Fitz rules.
Lynn Lightfoot @ 242
If you do, let us know. Its a gem.
Bob in HI
Valley Girl @ 95
Lots of ‘em…or did when I lived in London…
Gives me hope for EU residence.
But the strategy isn’t nutty – it’s quite purposeful.
Same strategy Big Tobacco used.
Burson-Marsteller helped Big Tobacco liberate us – up to a point:
This is the strategy
Hills’ BFF’s palsBurson-Marsteller used to kill Big Dog’s carbon tax in the 90’s.And now total greenhouse gas levels WILL cause heating of 2 degrees C (almost four degrees F).
Enough to start irreversible climate warming through “positive feedback”.
But the strategy?
Works great – lets the megacorps bleed us for decades – literally.
Ever seen a freshly resected lung cancer – or the person it was just removed from?
It sure worked for Philip Morris – for decades.
It worked so well Philip Morris’s former CEO, Haimish Maxwell, is Chairman of the Board at WPP.
WPP: “World Propaganda Power”
Hillary’s chief campaign adviser and pollster sold out to WPP just six years ago.
And – hey, birds of a feather – WPP had gobbled up B-M just a year before in 2000.
In December 05 – maybe as a ghouls’ holiday gift – Lord of the Tumors Haimish and the other metastases on WPP board gave Hill’s BFF and pollster the top job at B-M.
Good ‘ol B-M: willing accessories to global murder…
and hundreds of millions of deliberately created addicts.
They’ll help Hills empower us: but not to the point we quit the megacorps – or Big Oil/Gas/Coal/Nuke
Of course, B-M and WPP will really help Hills to solve Global Climate Change.
Just like her pals Big Insurance did with our health care.
Just like they did
forto Big Dog“We’re from the megacorps. We’re here to help you.”
[RBG Note; just a heads up that if you quote this comment it will end up in mod and may take some time before it it released.]
Get Tough @ 249
You must have me confused with someone else.
oops – sorry RBG =)
SnarKassandra @ 112
Wow! Some people write a book to make a point. You do it with two paragraphs of style and sensibility.
Bluetoe @ 10
Or Gallipoli.
Steve-AR @ 31
WTF! Businesses had to HIRE Republicans that the Party had “selected” if they were to obtain access? Can any of thes “private hiring tip sheets” be obtained? THIS has to be very, very illegal!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
Most interesting are the comments as to the reasons WHY this is occurring. For those who think that American (or Israeli) Jewish opinion is at all monolithic on the issue this is an enlightening read.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/912695.html
SnarKassandra @ 47
It’s actually the same thing with the Pentagon attributing ALL the roadside bomb attacks in Sunni areas to old-style Improvised Explosive Devices, while those in Baghdad and elsewhere (even in mixed and Sunni areas) are ALL caused by Shiite Militias and the more deadly EFP’s (Explosively Formed Projectiles).
AND all those MUST BE supplied by IRAN.
That’s right, in July one would have to believe that not a single fatal attack by road-side bombs outside the Sunni Triangle was instigated by Sunnis. They were all done by Shiites. And not a single one of those Shiite attacks were not EFP’s. Stretches credulity!
If the Sunni and Shi’ia unite against the US in Iraq, the US will kill them. And that will be that. It will be over. The US gets Iraq.
Imagine if you will, a wide-spread, unified insurgency against the US. Imagine the mission of Blackwater et al being changed. Imagine a draft.
It’s all balanced on the head of a pin. Really.
katymine @ 98
The judges decision, based on the “Scientific Consensus” of the Intergovernmental P on Climate Change (that’s the group that won the other half of the Nobel Peace Prize with Gore) merely said that of the over 200 “errors” asserted by the plaintiff, 95% of the plaintiffs claims were not valid (according to the Scientific Consensus). He stated the remaining 5% of the “errors” in “An Inconvenient Truth” were inconsequential to the conclusions of the IPPC. Broadly, Gore’s film and the Scientific community were in AGREEMENT.
But the judge, refusing to ban the film, asked for claifications on the 9 points be included in the Teachers kits that accompanied the film.
The judge called these 9 points of difference between the IPCC Report and Gore’s film “errors” because these could not both be true. Either the IPCC or Gore was in error. But a closer analysis of these “differences” actually indicates that Gore didn’t really vary from the IPCC at all. One some other cases Gore used particular examples as fact, where the IPCC stated that the impact of human-originated global warming was “probable” or “a contributing factor”.
IOW…the assertion that the decision lends support to the Global Warming Deniers is false…it doesn’t…except when the actual judgement is distorted by the media. Remember that the judge used the IPCC report as the “gold standard” of Scientific Evidence…and that report is quite firm about stating that Global Warming is a man-made phenomenon that is going to create serious economic, health, food-supply and political problems in the next few decades.
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoi….._thing.php
Wes:
“think too much worrying about the next president.”
You mean the one that might select 3 SCOTUS justices?
The one that could refill the bully pulpit with another load of bullshit and koolaid?
Nahhh…I say we go for the twofer, and take congress AND the oval office.
Of course, that means we pick a candidate to nominate who can hammer on bush and the GOP like they were 20 penny nails, for what they’ve done to us with the debacle in Iraq.
Hillary need not apply. :o)
Ok Guys, Lets put a couple points to rest:
1) Fine, Iraq was about oil.
To add to that, every congressional politician is thankful that Bush did what he did regardless of what they say. Reason: If oil were to soar out of control, the American people would throw these people out of their positions so fast they wouldn’t have time to pack their offices. I don’t care if you are Bush, Clinton, or Obama…they are all thankful this happened and they are not the lightening rods.
2) Gore’s Global Warming Theory.
Based off what we are being told, we will be facing cataclysmic scenarios very soon if we don’t slow the production of green house gas. If this is the case, shouldn’t we be shutting down most activities in the US and civilized world. People give the argument that we need to move to alternative energy sources. It will take a decade for most of these ideas to become solvent on a macroscopic level. Currently Ethanol is being touted as one of the greatest energy sources, yet it costs more money (and energy) to produce than what it returns. Right now, oil & coal are our only alternatives (and nuclear).
Side note on Gore, does it not bother any of you that this guy has three houses that are on average 10x the size of the average American and uses about the same amount of resources (10x) to support those homes? He fly’s routinely in a private jet which leaves a carbon foot print equal to me driving my “gas-guzzling” Dodge Truck for the next 20 years. Then again, I am just a truck-driving hick, what do I know. Guess I can buy some ‘carbon credits’ to make up for my 12mpg (like Gore and Edwards).
perris @ 6
Exactly. It’s probably more an outgrowth of disaster capitalism than anything else.
http://download.premiereradio……Letter.pdf
GordonM @ 71
Yupper. It’s going to be another five years minimum before the heavy and extra-heavy stuff can be produced in quantities sufficient to keep China’s boom going.
Kurt, so you think it’s OK to murder Muslims so you can drive your truck? Do you have a “nuke their a** and take their gas” bumpersticker?
Just checking.
Ladies and gentlemen, according to Kurt, anyone who isn’t poor is not allowed to advocate on the poor’s behalf OR fight against global warming!
Which is a pity, because there’s a case to be made that renewable energy, once all the subsidies for Big Oil are stripped out (and we’re not even counting the Pentagon Subsidy of using our armed forces as bully boys for Big Oil), is cheaper.