If we want to end this war (and I think all of us here do) this is not the way to do it. Defund the war, repeal the authorization, pass a bill that specifically orders the President to bring the troops home, in short, stand up directly for what we believe in. This war was a mistake from the beginning, but picking a fight with a Muslim nation that is currently a US ally is just stupid.

We are also dredging up events that occurred 90 years ago. Events that occurred not long after a period in which our hands are not exactly clean in much the same regard. Now is not the time for this wound to be reopened.

Seems to me most everyone wants to bomb and fight and roll the dice for mo power mo money.

“Not to mention ninety-five percent of the new up-armored IED-resistant vehicles long overdue to our troops.”

I coulda sworn they were shipped up north from Kuwait…!!! Some sheer fuckery is afoot… Don’t piss off the Turks…!!! 8-(

She shouldn’t be messing with foreign policy. It isn’t in her portfolio as Speaker.

This is possibly something pushed on her by DLCers who think they can be cute this way to control Dubya. But, they’re getting her in over her head.

OTOH, if she gets into a mess and has to leave the speakership, then there’s some chance a replacement might go for impeachment.

Question is, who might a replacement be? And, would that person go for impeachment?

Shame she may have to step down in the middle of a good run, but maybe it’s best for everyone.

I think Pelosi is pushing this as a two-fer.

1. It was genocide.
2. Pissing off the Turks complicates Iraq AND takes any Iran attack off the table.

Think about it.

Bush has already saddled the next president with more chits waiting to be called in, than some gambling junkie with his ass in hock to the mob.

Once the Turks decide that his hands are tied, they might just decide that a military presence in and around Kirkuk would be worth telling junion to stick that moldy, rotten, EU membership carrot where the sun don’t shine.

Just the fact that they’ve got several divisions of troops poised on their southeastern border, complete with armored units, is a good indication of the fact that george bush’s ‘nads are firmly in the jaws of a six-inch bench vise, with an increasing number of people ready, willing, and eager, to give the handle another crank.

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Sorry, but I think a LOT needs to be done to “jeapordize our mission” in Iraq. We need to get the hell out of there, while the getting is good. The result won’t be pretty, but would Taylor like to explain how keeping the troops there indefinitely, is going to make it better?

Abdullah Gul, the Turkish PM made a good point about their dealing with the PKK and their attacks, when he pointed out that america had crossed oceans to invade a country which had non-existent “terrorists” (my quotes), but was complaining because the Turks are threatening to do it in their back yard.

Invert this, and make it that 28 american troops were killed by Mexican “terrists” in Texas over the past 2 weeks. I think we all know what george bush’s response would have been.

There are even some kneejerks who are talking about “doing” the Turks. This little equation is very simple:

Incirlik = one MORE potential hostage situation, to add to the one that bush has already created for our troops in Iraq.