ZED!

Wow.

2?

Or did I just dream the zed?
Where is everyone?

marymccurnin @ 2

Wow.

Gotta deny the rest of us, eh???

marymccurnin @ 4

Or did I just dream the zed?
Where is everyone?

i told ‘em

Hi Teddy, mary and CTuttle. I didn’t see the 60 minutes. Someone reported early that it was all softball.

TeddySanFran @ 6

marymccurnin @ 4

Or did I just dream the zed?
Where is everyone?

i told ‘em

Dang, Teddy, that was Mary’s job…!!!

Who slipped her the kool-aid? I thought she was one of the good reporters.

I’m back.

Suzanne @ 9

Who slipped her the kool-aid? I thought she was one of the good reporters.

Rachel Maddow is my dream date…!!! *sigh*

Back just in time to say g’night…laundry’s all in the dryer so it’s lights out for me!

An American Prince serves only the Marqis de Bush

CTuttle @ 11

Suzanne @ 9

Who slipped her the kool-aid? I thought she was one of the good reporters.

Rachel Maddow is my dream date…!!! *sigh*

She’s a great journalist.

Loo Hoo. @ 7

Hi Teddy, mary and CTuttle. I didn’t see the 60 minutes. Someone reported early that it was all softball.

And very blonde, breathy and flirtatious. I was underwhelmed. But perhaps in Iraq, Ms. Logan needs to depend upon BWater for her own safety. In which case, having her interview Mr Prince was a massive conflict. I wish they’d had Christine Amanpour, but I doubt Prince would have sat for her.

CTuttle @ 11

Suzanne @ 9

Who slipped her the kool-aid? I thought she was one of the good reporters.

Rachel Maddow is my dream date…!!! *sigh*

Me,too and I’m not gay. Yet.

CT, I think you’ll have to wait until our jaqcrat’s done with ms maddow, and i’m not sure there will be much left for you….

not dream date – good reporter – yanno, the kind that gets out of the green zone and doesn’t just parrot the talking points… dayam, this is just so disappointing (if i am remembering correctly she kicked ass by reporting reality in iraq)

Negotiating Blackwater’s expulsion?

We learned on Friday that Army officials in Baghdad believe Blackwater guards at Nisoor Square not only weren’t under attack when they opened fire, the private security force actually opened fire on Iraqi civilians while the Iraqis were fleeing in the other direction. Said Lt. Col. Mike Tarsa, whose soldiers reached Nisoor Square 20 to 25 minutes after the gunfire subsided, “It appeared to me they were fleeing the scene when they were engaged. It had every indication of an excessive shooting.”

To date, there have been exactly zero independent reports and/or evidence bolstering Blackwater’s version of events on Sept. 16. It is against this backdrop that Iraqi officials have renewed discussions with the Bush administration about kicking the private army out of the country.

U.S. and Iraqi officials are negotiating Baghdad’s demand that security company Blackwater USA be expelled from the country within six months, and American diplomats appear to be working on how to fill the security gap if the company is phased out. […]

The Iraqi investigators issued five recommendations to the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, which has since sent them to the U.S. Embassy as demands for action. Point No. 2 in the report says: “The Iraqi government should demand that the United States stops using the services of Blackwater in Iraq within six months and replace it with a new, more disciplined organization that would be answerable to Iraqi laws.”

Sami al-Askari, a top aide to al-Maliki, said that point in the Iraqi list of demands was nonnegotiable.

“I believe the government has been clear. There have been attacks on the lives of Iraqi citizens on the part of that company (Blackwater). It must be expelled. The government has given six months for its expulsion and it’s left to the U.S. Embassy to determine with Blackwater when to terminate the contract. The American administration must find another company,” he told AP.

In a bit of a shift, al-Askari, according to the AP report, said Bush administration officials are no longer “insisting on Blackwater staying.”

If Blackwater is expelled, as now appears increasingly likely, who’d replace their teams? Apparently, DynCorp, which already has a significant presence in Iraq, is poised to replace the controversial North Carolina company, though the AP noted that DynCorp probably doesn’t have the infrastructure in place to take over Blackwater’s responsibilities within six months, as the Maliki government demands.

Christine would have feasted on Prince’s sorry *ss!!! Rachel would’ve went all Benihana, fresh sashimi, anyone…???

So transitions between contractors are so complex that they take more than six months? I thought the contractors were supposed to be the lean, nimble sharp point of Cheney’s warmaking spear. Apparently they have bureaucracy, overhead, and infrastructure just like the US military — what a surprise.

Dolts.

congrats, mary :)

TeddySF – represent!

(middle-aged white guy looking stupid here at my keyboard…)

TeddySanFran @ 17

CT, I think you’ll have to wait until our jaqcrat’s done with ms maddow, and i’m not sure there will be much left for you….

Sloppy Seconds…??? ;-0

We are trying to keep Blackwater The Murders out of Cali. Cristine Craft, a reporter on progressive radio, has a petition on her site. Last month her boss decided to cut her on air hours from three to one a day. Coinkiedink?

giving CT the lQQk and getting ready to put hands on hips

TeddySanFran @ 21

So transitions between contractors are so complex that they take more than six months? I thought the contractors were supposed to be the lean, nimble sharp point of Cheney’s warmaking spear. Apparently they have bureaucracy, overhead, and infrastructure just like the US military — what a surprise.

Dolts.

Haven’t the Marines always been tasked for State’s protection…???

So Dyncorp would just hire the Blackwater folks who lost their jobs?

Speaking of news ….. I am rather proud of how my news blog is coming along.

Suzanne @ 25

giving CT the lQQk and getting ready to put hands on hips

What? I’m behaving…(barely)!!! 8-)

kirk murphy @ 22

congrats, mary :)

TeddySF – represent!

(middle-aged white guy looking stupid here at my keyboard…)

Yea bro, testify!

Suz! Glad to see you back for you were sorely missed. ;~)

ct, that seconds comment was so… so… so junior high

OT

We have a great day today.
A Day at the Beach/Inverness, CA

npb, she found the dress – i described it downstairs – it is completely different than what she went looking for.

marymccurnin @ 33

OT

We have a great day today.
A Day at the Beach/Inverness, CA

That would be “We had – not we have a great day today.”

Suzanne @ 32

ct, that seconds comment was so… so… so junior high

Wait, I thought CT was in junior high!

Back from a great clarinet recital and incredible home-made Korean and Japanese food reception in Anchorage. Making a fire in the woodstove in my shop. Have we won yet?

marymccurnin @ 35

marymccurnin @ 33

OT

We have a great day today.
A Day at the Beach/Inverness, CA

That would be “We had – not we have a great day today.”

Beautiful pix!

I gotta fire going too, ET, but its not anywhere near as cold here as it is up there :)

Hi ET. Welcome.

CTuttle @ 11

Suzanne @ 9

Who slipped her the kool-aid? I thought she was one of the good reporters.

Rachel Maddow is my dream date…!!! *sigh*

{Arms folded on chest} C Tuttle! What ever are you thinking?!? You are LIVING with your dream date!!! Come to your senses, boy! Its a good thing your roommate doesn’t read your e-mail!

Bob in HI

Nice pics, Mary! Suz, when is your daughter getting married? The dress sounds beautiful!

Thanks ya’ll.

TexBetsy,
Left a note for you downstairs.

Bob in HI

TexBetsy @ 38

marymccurnin @ 35

That would be “We had – not we have a great day today.”

Beautiful pix!

And sweet little pup and paw prints in the sand. Thanks for sharing your beach adventure Mary!

This is a nice one:

Kucinich: Get Ready to Read Bush His Miranda Rights
from AfterDowningStreet.org – Impeach Bush and Cheney Now!
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27692

Kucinich speech at Latino Congresso, via MyDD

I’m so grateful to be with you this morning. It’s such an honor. When I am with this community, I realize the real connection I have, from the heart, (el corazón). It’s a connection that transcends the issues, but it connects us to the issues at the same time.

When I started my career in politics forty years ago in Cleveland, the Puerto Rican population was growing, and there were a lot of problems between that community and the police. And so when I finally got elected to city council with the help of the Puerto Rican community, the first thing I did was to take a Spanish language course, so that I could better understand and communicate with members of the Latino community. One of the things we first discovered in the city council was the fact that the police were arresting Latinos without reading them their rights, in direct violation of the Miranda decision. So if someone didn’t speak English, they didn’t have any rights. The police didn’t understand that even if people couldn’t speak English, it didn’t mean that those people shouldn’t have rights. So I was responsible for causing the Cleveland Police to have to learn the Miranda rights in Spanish and carry a card with them.

my firstborn gets married may 31st

Suzanne @ 34

npb, she found the dress – i described it downstairs – it is completely different than what she went looking for.

It sounds absolutely beautiful. Did ya get all teary when you saw your little girl wearing it?

Geezis, that was a bad interview, but then I thought she’s probably got to depend on BW on occassion and Iraq is no doubt scary enough not to have BW goons tryin’ to shoot you too…

persiflage @ 48

Suzanne @ 34

npb, she found the dress – i described it downstairs – it is completely different than what she went looking for.

It sounds absolutely beautiful. Did ya get all teary when you saw your little girl wearing it?

Sweet.

i thought i was hiding it well until one of the bridal assistants at the store brought me over a box of kleenex.

TeddySanFran @ 36

Suzanne @ 32

ct, that seconds comment was so… so… so junior high

Wait, I thought CT was in junior high!

Shucks, didn’t even get to the Fifth grade…!!! :P

This is the more of the Kucinich speech:

Now the people in the Administration of George Bush better remember their Miranda rights, because when I’m elected President I’m going to see that they are arrested. I’m not kidding here! I want to let you to know something; how I feel about what’s happened to our country. We have been led into a war based upon lies — an unjust a war. We’ve seen our civil liberties taken away because of lies. The President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense are all part of this. They’re going to be held accountable under the law. If someone runs a traffic light, they’ll get a ticket here. There are a million dead Iraqis and almost 4,000 dead American soldiers as a result of this war. Where is the accountability? What’s happened is that our constitution is being torn up. And in this toxic environment, the Administration, in its never-ending quest for more scapegoats, focuses on immigrants. You know it and I know it. And we see, unfortunately, the failure of the Democratic Party to stand up to this Administration.

newspaperbrat @ 45

TexBetsy @ 38

Beautiful pix!

And sweet little pup and paw prints in the sand. Thanks for sharing your beach adventure Mary!

I don’t know who I love more-Ron The Hubbie or Wally the Best Dog Ever.

Suzanne @ 47

my firstborn gets married may 31st

Righteous!!! Congrats…!!!

pawprints in the sand is my fav

This is a fascinating move on Bush’s part.

Believe it or not, that’s the storyline in the controversial case of Medellin v. Texas, which the Supreme Court will hear on Wednesday. The Administration is siding with Jose Ernesto Medellin and his lawyers, arguing that he along with 50 other Mexican nationals should have their convictions reviewed because, in what the International Court has ruled a violation of a treaty signed by the U.S., they were not offered access to Mexican consular officials after their arrest.

The raucous right is in an uproar, stunned that their onetime hero, George W. Bush, is going against them on a case that combines three of the issues closest to their heart: immigration, the death penalty and international sovereignty. But the real lesson the right wing should take from the case is that the presidential power they so jealously defend when it is used against foreign nationals looks a lot less attractive when it’s applied at home.

Suzanne @ 56

pawprints in the sand is my fav

Woof.

Bob, those sound like great assignments, but you should check with Loo Hoo about assignments for 5th graders. My son had assignments like that in the honors program.

Suzanne @ 51

i thought i was hiding it well until one of the bridal assistants at the store brought me over a box of kleenex.

From my, admittedly limited, experience, all mothers find the first sight of their little girl all grown-up and womanly in her wedding gown over-whelming. Like “where’d that kid who ate mud go? She was here only yesterday”

years decades of following astronomy….

and just about to search “Ron the Hubble”

when did NASA name it?

goddess, I need glasses -

i’m sitting here with token laying on my lap – his nose just hanging over my knees… and remembering when firstborn came home from the hospital and i would put her in the same spot, and rock her to sleep with my legs.. sometimes, that was the only way to soothe her

Good night all.

See you again when Suzanne is ready to celebrate her birthday. Laura Doty also has a birthday tomorrow.

Great beach pix, Mary. And great Dennis speech, Bets.

Imagine someone running for president talking about arresting Bush and Cheney! He needs to talk like that more often.

marymccurnin @ 33

OT

We have a great day today.
A Day at the Beach/Inverness, CA

beautiful. Pt. Reyes is such a great place. Is that McClure’s Beach? Abbott’s Lagoon?

kirk murphy @ 61

years decades of following astronomy….

and just about to search “Ron the Hubble”

when did NASA name it?

goddess, I need glasses -

or just scoot the chair a little further away from the monitor, kirk. i forgot my glasses and found i could read the memu yesterday only while holding it with my arms fully extended

Loo Hoo. @ 57

This is a fascinating move on Bush’s part.

Believe it or not, that’s the storyline in the controversial case of Medellin v. Texas, which the Supreme Court will hear on Wednesday. The Administration is siding with Jose Ernesto Medellin and his lawyers, arguing that he along with 50 other Mexican nationals should have their convictions reviewed because, in what the International Court has ruled a violation of a treaty signed by the U.S., they were not offered access to Mexican consular officials after their arrest.

The raucous right is in an uproar, stunned that their onetime hero, George W. Bush, is going against them on a case that combines three of the issues closest to their heart: immigration, the death penalty and international sovereignty. But the real lesson the right wing should take from the case is that the presidential power they so jealously defend when it is used against foreign nationals looks a lot less attractive when it’s applied at home.

Bush wants to ensure himself access to the American consul when Dennis comes to arrest him in Paraguay!

nite betsy

Suzanne @ 62

i’m sitting here with token laying on my lap – his nose just hanging over my knees… and remembering when firstborn came home from the hospital and i would put her in the same spot, and rock her to sleep with my legs.. sometimes, that was the only way to soothe her

Gee Suzanne, now I’m sniffling, joyful and sad at the same time. I guess most important moments in life are like that. Now for the hard part, what is mother of bride wearing?

persiflage @ 60

Suzanne @ 51

i thought i was hiding it well until one of the bridal assistants at the store brought me over a box of kleenex.

From my, admittedly limited, experience, all mothers find the first sight of their little girl all grown-up and womanly in her wedding gown over-whelming. Like “where’d that kid who ate mud go? She was here only yesterday”

Whaa… No snoopy dance? I remember seeing the eldest off to the mainland for college, Paarty!!! ;-)

goodnight, Betsy.

punaise @ 65

marymccurnin @ 33

OT

We have a great day today.
A Day at the Beach/Inverness, CA

beautiful. Pt. Reyes is such a great place. Is that McClure’s Beach? Abbott’s Lagoon?

North Beach

persiflage @ 69

Suzanne @ 62

i’m sitting here with token laying on my lap – his nose just hanging over my knees… and remembering when firstborn came home from the hospital and i would put her in the same spot, and rock her to sleep with my legs.. sometimes, that was the only way to soothe her

Gee Suzanne, now I’m sniffling, joyful and sad at the same time. I guess most important moments in life are like that. Now for the hard part, what is mother of bride wearing?

firstborn is insistent that i am not permitted to wear tie dye – yesterday was all about Jen – my outfit is still to be determined

Does she have a color theme yet?

pastel green and pastel orange – sorta kinda celtic in colors

marymccurnin @ 72

punaise @ 65

beautiful. Pt. Reyes is such a great place. Is that McClure’s Beach? Abbott’s Lagoon?

North Beach

gracias – don’t know that one

sherbert! or is it sorbet?

Suzanne @ 75

pastel green and pastel orange – sorta kinda celtic in colors

think ice cream sherbet version of the green and orange of ireland

Suzanne @ 73

my outfit is still to be determined

firedoglake blue

TeddySanFran says
October 14th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

Great beach pix, Mary. And great Dennis speech, Bets.

Imagine someone running for president talking about arresting Bush and Cheney! He needs to talk like that more often.

Yes!

And the Rethugs loves, loves, loves them their Tazers electric shock torture devices for arrests.

Any day now I expect the party of “Separate but unequal” to give cost-plus contacts for platinum Tazers.

7.1 Torture Hardware
Other torture hardware includes electroshock weapons, electrically heated hot tables, whips, iron-chain filled rubber hoses, cat-o’-nine-tails, clubs, canes, specially designed torture devices and interrogation rooms using white noise (Fig. 41) (Sweeney 1991a and 1991b) and stroboscopic UV light (New Scientist, 1973). Much of this equipment is home made but some of the newer technologies are purpose built and may be used by successive law enforcement agencies after one torturing regime is replaced by another. For example, the ‘Apollo machine’ which was devised by SAVAK, the Shah’s secret police in Iran (it delivered an electric shock to sensitive parts of the body, while a steel helmet covered prisoners’ heads to amplify their screams), was also used by the succeeding regime’s religious police. (Mather,1982)

Helen Bamber, Director of the British Medical Foundation for the Treatment of the Victims of Torture, has described electroshock batons at ‘the most universal modern tool of the torturers’. (Gregory, 1995) Recent surveys of torture victims have confirmed that after systematic beating, electroshock is one of the most common factors (London, 1993); (Rasmussen, 1990). If one looks at the country reports of Amnesty International, electroshock torture is the Esperanto of the most repressive states. Many examples of its use have been reported including Austria,114 Greece (Council of Europe, 1994); China (Amnesty International 1992b), Ballantyne, 1992, 1995); and Saudi Arabia (Amnesty International, 1994). Amnesty International has just published a survey of fifty countries where electric shock torture and ill treatment has been recorded since 1990.115

According to the manufacturers, the new pulsed variants of electroshock weapon were developed in the 1980’s on the basis of biomedical research. They come in several variants including hand held prods and batons, (Fig. 42) electrified riot shields (Fig. 43) and electrified dart systems like the Taser (Fig. 44.). Electroshock weapons work on the induction coil principle. They are battery powered devices which step up the voltage several thousand fold to produce a high voltage low amperage shock that affects the victim’s muscle control. As well as severe pain and a temporary paralysis, such weapons also achieve a psychological effect because of the dancing display of crackling blue lightning which traverses the electrodes of both shields and prods.

An independent survey by the UK Forensic Science Service (FSS) (commissioned by the British Home Office), examined the possible hazardous effects of a range of different electroshock devices on the human body (Robinson, et al., 1990). The FSS study reported that receiving a typical discharge from an electroshock prod up to half a second startles and repels the victim; one to two seconds and the victim loses the ability to stand up; three to five seconds and loss of skeletal muscle control is total and immobilization occurs. The effect can last for between five and fifteen minutes. The FSS study also reported that modern pulsed electroshock weapons are more powerful than the old fashioned cattle prods by nearly two (45) orders of magnitude.

[snip]

Manufacturers’ claims that these products are “safe” are open to interpretation. Deaths have been reported from both Tasers116 and from shock shields.117 One of the key experts used by manufacturers of electroshock weapons to justify claims of the generic safety of these devices has refuted such an interpretation.118 There is also the need to take into account the political context in which many of these weapons are used since push button torture may be just one methodology applied as part of an entire spectrum of abuse.

punaise @ 79

Suzanne @ 73

my outfit is still to be determined

firedoglake blue

It might just clash with the green and orange…!!!

i like blue, pun – cobalt is one of my fav colors but that doesn’t really go well with her color theme

firstborn is insistent that i am not permitted to wear tie dye – yesterday was all about Jen – my outfit is still to be determined

————————————-

What is she? The Anti-Hippie? I know from watching friends go through it that mother of bride outfit is difficult. It can’t be too fabulous because the bride is entitled to pretty much all of the fabulousness on the day. OTOH, it can’t be unfabulous either. Still, plenty of time to decide.

Suzanne @ 82

i like blue, pun – cobalt is one of my fav colors but that doesn’t really go well with her color theme

well, then someone needs to consider a change to the color scheme! (just kidding)

persi, she is the one who coined the term used to describe me of “a 17 year old trapped in an old woman’s body”.

WEll, I gotta go, Mr Persi and I are going to do some shopping (no, not for anything exciting) and he’s giving me signals that he’s ready and waiting.

See ya tomorrow to celebrate Suzanne’s birthday!

I am going to bed also. Thanks for the kind words about the pics. See you all tomorrow.

Suzanne @ 85

persi, she is the one who coined the term used to describe me of “a 17 year old trapped in an old woman’s body”.

Ha! If only more of us could share that affliction! I get away with it because I don’t have kids so never really had to grow up.

g’nite mary mcc

enjoy shopping persi

persi, have good fun.

wish you happy shopping surprises ;)

G’nite, Persi and Mary!!!

Suzanne @ 85

persi, she is the one who coined the term used to describe me of “a 17 year old trapped in an old woman’s body”.

Old woman? At 53?

prodigal son punaise jr. ventured home for the weekend – first trip back from college, and not just to do laundry. Louis the cat followed him around the whole time.. “hey, I remember this guy”.

Your son misses you, punaise.

((((punaise, jr, louis the cat, punaise’s partner))))

Loo Hoo. @ 92

Suzanne @ 85

persi, she is the one who coined the term used to describe me of “a 17 year old trapped in an old woman’s body”.

Old woman? At 53?

i had just turned 40 when she coined it and it was as true then as it is now… my orthopedist said at the time that i was 40 but my knee was 85

Prince Erik still plans to conquer San Diego despite local opposition
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..black.html

also, y’all catch the Sanchez fiasco? Retired general criticizes the war, and the rethugs automatically press the auto-swiftboat button.. they’re trying to tar him with Abu Ghraib now, after completely exonerating him for the same atrocities at the time, if I remember correctly.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI…..index.html

These people really are special
General Sanchez: war is a “a nightmare with no end in sight.”
Lindsay Graham (immediate auto-swiftboat response): “Abu Ghraib got out of control under his watch. The war in general got out of control under his watch.”

Blub @ 97

Prince Erik still plans to conquer San Diego despite local opposition
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..black.html

also, y’all catch the Sanchez fiasco? Retired general criticizes the war, and the rethugs automatically press the auto-swiftboat button.. they’re trying to tar him with Abu Ghraib now, after completely exonerating him for the same atrocities at the time, if I remember correctly.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI…..index.html

These people really are special

they are still living bush’s ‘you are either with us or you are against us’ crap

hey loo hoo, kirk! it’s only been three weeks, but the family dynamic has changed and yet not changed. it’s all good. punaisette gets to move upstairs and take over the crow’s nest of a bedroom.

Suzanne,

Your birthday is Monday?

Local news had a story about a Pleasanton CA wiccan lady who’s protesting her neighbor’s halloween decoration. Before you think she’s taking needless offense or overreacting: the halloween display her neighbor selected is a witch hanging from a gallows.

What’s halloween-y about that? Sounds to me like the neighbor knows his neighbor’s religion and has singled her out with his display.

People!

yeup, et, 10/15

happy birthday, Suzanne

Blub @ 103

happy birthday, Suzanne

joyeux anniversaire, indeed.

punaise @ 93

prodigal son punaise jr. ventured home for the weekend – first trip back from college, and not just to do laundry. Louis the cat followed him around the whole time.. “hey, I remember this guy”.

Precious.

the celebration is tomorrow nite during late nite – i’ll NOT be wearing my mod hat and will be a party pup (mod squad has been warned)

53 was a good age for me. My three soccer teams went 19-3-2. I took an old, old tugboat from Kodiak to Seattle and survived. And you get a daughter’s wedding! My daughter has now said “no” about six times.

Suzanne @ 106

the celebration is tomorrow nite during late nite – i’ll NOT being wearing my mod hat and will be a party pup (mod squad has been warned)

We are just going to throw plastic tarps over everything and moderate as if it’s a normal Late Nite.
NOT!

I’m looking forward to 54 – that is when I will be the same age as the year as I as born and won’t have to do any math.

Blub @ 97

These people really are special
General Sanchez: war is a “a nightmare with no end in sight.”
Lindsay Graham (immediate auto-swiftboat response): “Abu Ghraib got out of control under his watch. The war in general got out of control under his watch.”

I imagine sanchez can testify to facts on the ground.

It is kind of funny watching the meltdown:

On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

Loo Hoo. @ 111

The Wall Street Journal

You mean the new Murdoch-Ailes Fox Business Network?

Loo Hoo. @ 111

It is kind of funny watching the meltdown:

On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

Sounds & smells like the vitriolic Rupert Murdoch fingerprints.

“a 17 year old trapped in an old woman’s body” is the only way to go! Who the heck would want to become homogenized? A girl has gotta have fun.

tw3k @ 110

I imagine sanchez can testify to facts on the ground.

apparently so can Wide Stance Second Chair-holder Lindsay Graham

Lindsey Graham does kinda ring the gaydar bells.

Blub @ 115

tw3k @ 110

I imagine sanchez can testify to facts on the ground.

apparently so can Wide Stance Second Chair-holder Lindsay Graham

They certainly eat their young and wounded…!!!
I shall bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

Loo Hoo. @ 116

Lindsey Graham does kinda ring the gaydar bells.

…well.. he never did marry… OK, that was mean of me

CTuttle @ 117

Blub @ 115

apparently so can Wide Stance Second Chair-holder Lindsay Graham

They certainly eat their young and wounded…!!!
I shall bid ya’ll a fond adieu! Aloha Oe!!!

Night night CT.

Night CTuttle. I’m going to hit it too.

LooHoo, howie klein agrees with you over at his blog – he is always raggin on linday

Loo Hoo. @ 111

It is kind of funny watching the meltdown:

On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

They probably woke up stunned to see how hits their wsj poll on gore had *g

waving to ct and loohoo – sleep well

newspaperbrat @ 113

Sounds & smells like the vitriolic Rupert Murdoch fingerprints.

RCA Vitriolic – his master’s voice

Blub @ 115

tw3k @ 110

I imagine sanchez can testify to facts on the ground.

apparently so can Wide Stance Second Chair-holder Lindsay Graham

yeah :/

Niters LooHoo – think I’ll head for bed too – Thanks Teddy for another memorable late and late late nite, and Suze and punaise, et al. poof*

g’nite npb – waving across monterey bay – sleep well

sheet, everyone is leaving with only 3 minutes to go before i take off my mod hat and start celebrating

buenos nachos, npb. think I’ll pack it in too.

after midnight, however!

punaise @ 124

newspaperbrat @ 113

Sounds & smells like the vitriolic Rupert Murdoch fingerprints.

RCA Vitriolic – his master’s voice

Heh! Laughing my way to dreamland….

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SUZANNE – YOU ARE THE BEST!

ironranger @ 114

“a 17 year old trapped in an old woman’s body” is the only way to go! Who the heck would want to become homogenized? A girl has gotta have fun.

A case in point – Joni Mitchell.

Listening to her new album, Shine, in the car on the way to Anchorage. Wow!

WOOHOO – i’m old…. taking off moderator hat

Happy Birthday Greatest Mod at FDL, uh – you’re off shift – Suzanne! Hats off to a great mom, mod, law enforcement professional and friend.

Re: Lara Logan’s softballs for this piece, they weren’t really softballs, but T-balls.
Lara: ‘Are you really, really sorry about the deaths?’
Erik Prince of Darkness: ‘Sure, we hate death. [that’s why our company owns more hardware than the Bolivian Army, because we love people].’

In Ms. Logan’s defense, I usually find her stories quite admirable. If you noticed, she mentioned that she interviewed the Prince on Friday. Clearly, her keepers at CBS told her it would air the piece on Sunday. Prince is, of course, doing a “Media Blitz[er]” this weekend with Wolf and others’ complicity. Surely 60 Minutes, which is famous for spending months on a story, could have held back a week to gather more information to refute Prince’s specious assertions. Then, too, we don’t know how much the corporate types had a hand in the editing of the interview.

Happy Birthday, Suzanne!

And we don’t want to see that mod hat for 24 hours, tie dye lady!

(hands on hips…)

ET – hard-refresh. Your 11:58 is free.

well, my mod hat is off and my f has taken a powder for the duration

Here’s to Suzanne – happy birthday!

and what powder might that be, young lady?

powdered sugar?

pun, i like that – thanks

Did you catch this part of what COULTER said in her “Jews should convert…it’s improve ‘em” interview

“COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws.“

Well that explains a lot about why these crypto-Christians believe they are not answerble to anyone. Laws are for those “other people”.

that’s what they all say….

time for civil forfeiture

(sticking on mod hat real quick) c’ape, I had to mod a comment of yours downstairs – you included the address of someone who should NOT have their address spread on the internet

taking off mod hat again

kirk murphy @ 143

that’s what they all say….

time for civil forfeiture

civil this doc (upsweeping arm movement _

punaise @ 138

Here’s to Suzanne – happy birthday!

Yeah! cork pops……

hee-hee…

Suzanne @ 144

(sticking on mod hat real quick) c’ape, I had to mod a comment of yours downstairs – you included the address of someone who should NOT have their address spread on the internet

taking off mod hat again

Who was that? I thought I only posted addresses of materials on public records….prices of homes selling on the same street as the Frost Family. I didn’t post the address of the Frost family (which all the nutcases know by now anyways). If someone elses name showed up it was that of a non-controversial individual.

Could you let me know which link/document I shouldn’t have posted?

sure, c’ape but i don’t have on my mod abilities.. LURKING MOD – can you give c’ape the link to my mod edited comment so there is no confusion

thanks

Even if addresses are a matter of public record, FDL does not publish them, c’ape. TLM will find the comment and link so you can see exactly where I modified your comment.

Loo Hoo. @ 111

It is kind of funny watching the meltdown:

On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

Are they all or mostly global warming experts? If so, doesn’t that just serve to validate Gore’s claims?

Bob in HI

Suzanne @ 106

the celebration is tomorrow nite during late nite – i’ll NOT be wearing my mod hat and will be a party pup (mod squad has been warned)

lotsa swearing, too?

TeddySanFran @ 152

Suzanne @ 106

the celebration is tomorrow nite during late nite – i’ll NOT be wearing my mod hat and will be a party pup (mod squad has been warned)

lotsa swearing, too?

fucking a, teddy

Suzanne @ 109

I’m looking forward to 54 – that is when I will be the same age as the year as I as born and won’t have to do any math.

Me too! It’s the best ever, even better than the Joker Birthday (53). Can’t wait ’til next year: the No-Math Birfday.

Suzanne @ 149

sure, c’ape but i don’t have on my mod abilities.. LURKING MOD – can you give c’ape the link to my mod edited comment so there is no confusion

thanks

Cinnamonape
This comment…

twas a very good year, teddy… shit, this is my fucking joker birthday? fuck

Happy B-day, Suzanne!
I happen to like being over 50. I wouldn’t want to be in my 20’s again except for the physical energy. Ok, I wouldn’t mind having a 30 year younger body but what I’ve learned over the years is much better. Now if I could just remember what I want to remember when I want to remember it.

Different kinda Joker

Suzanne @ 156

twas a very good year, teddy… shit, this is my fucking joker birthday? fuck

deck of cards plus one

thanks, ironranger – yeah back when i was younger, gravity was still my friend

but, i’m cool with that – i figure the wrinkles and sagging are part of the trade-off that comes with learning from the school of hard knocks with an undergraduate degree in life experience

ironranger @ 157

Happy B-day, Suzanne!
I happen to like being over 50. I wouldn’t want to be in my 20’s again except for the physical energy. Ok, I wouldn’t mind having a 30 year younger body but what I’ve learned over the years is much better. Now if I could just remember what I want to remember when I want to remember it.

And then, once I remember it, what I needed to remember it for!

thanks, teddy – didn’t want to go through the day having to do pickles impressions – and i know that i don’t have that color of lipstick

Oh, I am all celebrated out already! To be young again, stay up and celebrate dawn in the redwoods with Suz….

But, no, to sleep perchance…..

Suzanne @ 162

thanks, teddy – didn’t want to go through the day having to do pickles impressions – and i know that i don’t have that color of lipstick

She’s got the market cornered on that particular shade of Fallujah Massacre Red.

I had a cartoon on my fridge for awhile till I misplaced it that summed up how I was feeling at the time.
It had a chalkboard divided into 2 sections, one side labled “Successes” & the other “Learning Experiences”. The Success side had a few X’s while the Learning Experience side had X’s almost to the bottom.
Life knowledge doesn’t come easy which is why I sometimes call those lessons f**king learning experiences.

g*d d*yam mo*fo* judge in philly (taking deep breath) g*d d*yam mo*fo* judge (taking another deep breath)

g’nite teddy, perchance to dream

Word is that Malkin has decide to quit doing the O’Really Factor. Anyone else hear this?

I wonder if that philly judge is a fundie. Gawd, people can be ignorant asses.
Nite all.
I’m hoping to dream of Snowball, The Dancing Cockatoo. That youtube is a gem.

Liberty Lover @ 168

Word is that Malkin has decide to quit doing the O’Really Factor. Anyone else hear this?

CGAS (could give a shit)…

ET i would only care if she had been cut off fox news for her crap involving the frost family.

cut off. no more shows to spew her venon on. that would let some of the hot air outta her sails

Liberty Lover @ 168

Word is that Malkin has decide to quit doing the O’Really Factor. Anyone else hear this?

***
LL: I saw that, too. Something to do with a run-in with Geraldo? If you find a link with more details, please lemme know.

Liberty Lover @ 168

Word is that Malkin has decide to quit doing the O’Really Factor. Anyone else hear this?

Ever notice what happens when 2 or more of there useless creatures are together? The average IQ in the room actually declines.
They can have each other.

ok, i’m headed off to bed with token, the cutest dog in the world, and bailey the skittish cat.

g’nite everyone and thanks for helping to ring in my birthday with style, pizazz and fuckery

nite suzanne. take yourself a day.

Suzanne,

We don’t get FAUX on our sat service. It has been offered for free a couple of times and we turned the deal down. I get more than enough of O’Reilly on the AM radio in the car, and Malkin on the toobz clips to know I couldn’t stand more. O’Reilly’s far more dangerous than either Malkin or Coulter. I try not to hate anyone, but that guy tests my benevolence.

ET I try not to hate either but I major seriously dislike all the scum sucking rightwing warmongering loudmouth liars on that particular station.

Justin Raimondo thinks the New York Times have found their next Judith Miller:

The moment this story hit the headlines, the alarm on my bullsh*t meter started clanging pretty loudly. But what, one wondered, was the purpose of this elaborate deception?

First, it was meant as a warning to Iran, a clear demonstration that the Israelis can and will act if Tehran fails to curb its ambition to join Israel as a full-fledged member of the nuclear club. Furthermore, it was meant to show Washington’s solidarity with Tel Aviv in this matter: in spite of doubts arising from the Rice-Gates faction within the administration, the Americans gave the Israelis the green light. It also, I believe, prefigures, on a much smaller scale, the sequence of events likely to trigger war with Iran: an Israeli strike, Iranian retaliation via Hezbollah, followed by American intervention, which would be practically inevitable.

The Lurking Mod @ 155

Suzanne @ 149

sure, c’ape but i don’t have on my mod abilities.. LURKING MOD – can you give c’ape the link to my mod edited comment so there is no confusion

thanks

Cinnamonape
This comment…

No big issue here making the edit.

For those wondering I posted the address of the half-million dollar home that Malkin and the Freepers used to assert that the Frost home would be of comparable value on the market. I didn’t post the homeowners name. Anyone really interested in the location of that house can simply Google up the location elsewhere. But as I pointed out the Malkinites selected the MOST EXPENSIVE of dozens of homes in the same area to use as their model when homes closer to, and more like the Frosts went for far less. in some cases half as much!

I think that with the popping of the housing bubble the Frosts would get far less. And simply have to find another place for their 6 person family…and perhaps find another school that would offer their disabled children scholarships.

Suzanne, I’ll try to respect the “no address” rule in the future. I didn’t know about the policy and thought there was no risk of harassment to the residents in this case. I tend to be a “data freak” and want to be as complete as possible when I make arguments agaisnt the right-wings assertions.

Good morning!

morning!

Oil prices have just reached new records…crossing the $80/barrel price zone for the first time ever. And this is early Fall when prices usually DROP! No real explanations offered, except…they are going up because people think that they are going up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..DruDas0NUE

And some of you have heard about the English Court case where Al Gore’s film “An Inconvenient Truth” was required to have teachers material that there were several “errors” in it.

Well it turns out that the Judges decision wasn’t any sort of triumph for the anti-Global Warming crowd at all.

First off, the case was brought by a crackpot from a religiously based “fringe” party, Stewart Dimmock…who asserted that there were over 200 “scientific errors” in the film. The judge, USING THE REPORT OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL OF CLIMATE CHANGE (*the group of Scientists that were jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize WITH Gore), parried that list down to nine disagreements between Gore’s film and the “Scientific consensus”.

But he also stated that the differences in opinion were inconsequential to the main assertion that Global Warming is anthropogenically caused. Of the 200 “errors” cited by Dimmock there were less than 10 that he found actually existed with the “Scientific consensus”. Furthermore, the Judge always referred to the disagreements as “errors”! In Quotation Marks! That is, he wasn’t ruling on whether Gore’s position was in fact the “error”, he was only pointing out that there was a “difference” in position.

And in several cases the judge apparently misread the Scientific report, and construed a difference where there was none. The IPPC stated that due to global warming polar bears were found in deep water vast distances from any resting spot, and during storms they were thus dying of exhaustion. There is no difference in position with Gore’s film on this point.

In other cases, where the IPCC had stated that something was likely, Gores film had taken a more certain position. Thus these are not actually “Scientific Errors” at all…but merely differences over the level of probability. For example, in the case of the melting of the glaciers on Mt. Kilamanjaro and the drying up of Lake Chad, the IPPC stated that Global Warming was a contributing factor, Gore said it was the “cause”.

In another error, Gore spoke about the consequence of the melting of the Greenland and Arctic ice-caps. The judge viewed that Gore’s film suggested this would happen more rapidly than the IPCC position, where it would likely occur over millenia. But Gore never actually specified a time frame. And, as frequently occurs in Science, subsequent research occuring after the IPCC report was published indicates that the caps may be melting much faster than they held.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoi….._thing.php

All in all nothing in this judgement should give the lobal Warming deniers any comfort. Gores film was not banned, the judge viewed that its conclusions were ultimately in agreement with the “scientific mainstream” and that this is that Global Warming is the consequence of human activities, and a threat to many populations across the globe.

The Judge only held that the differences were minor and never stated that Gore’s Film was actually filled with “errors”…he refused to weigh in on whether the IPCC Report or Gore was correct. He used the term “error” in quotation marks because this is how the plaintiff referred to the statements in “An Inconvenient Truth”.

And the Global Warming deniers fail to see the irony that the judge used the IPCC as the measure of what was the “Scientific Consensus”.
The agree with Gore’s conclusions, and they also shared the Nobel Prize with him.

The “Truth” is indeed “Inconvenient ‘ to these Right Wing Pseudo-Scientists!

Good morning, pups. Today in the NYT we have Cohen and Krugman. Roger Cohen writes about Pentagon officials sniffing around in places like Albania trying to attract troops into a “Coalition of the Reluctant” in Iraq. Paul Krugman ponders the Republicans’ “Gore Derangement Syndrome.”

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. Have a great day, even if it is Monday.

good morning all

Bill Kristol “blowviating” about Former Vice President Gore winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._1014.html

Watch the video and have a chuckle. Republicans are terrified that Al Gore will run. Everyone knows he would run right over every Republican candidate as well as Edwards, Clinton, and Obama.

ReElect Gore!

Marion in Savannah @ 183

Good morning, pups. Today in the NYT we have Cohen and Krugman. Roger Cohen writes about Pentagon officials sniffing around in places like Albania trying to attract troops into a “Coalition of the Reluctant” in Iraq. Paul Krugman ponders the Republicans’ “Gore Derangement Syndrome.”

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. Have a great day, even if it is Monday.

From the article that you linked
“On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

And at National Review Online, Iain Murray suggested that the prize should have been shared with “that well-known peace campaigner Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore’s stance.” You see, bin Laden once said something about climate change — therefore, anyone who talks about climate change is a friend of the terrorists.

What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

What drives them insane is that they know if he declares it is all over for the Republicans and the Republican party. The Democrats would win the Presidency, and congress. Al Gore would select the next 2-3 Supreme court judges.

THEY KNOW AL GORE WOULD WIN!

Lara Logan has hooked up with an organization that is more concerned about protecting the status quo than in speaking truth to power. She has visions of a 6 or 7 figure salary dancing in her head. She has sold her journalistic integrity for the promise of a very big bag of silver.

Larry Craig wasn’t going to bother telling his wife and kids he had been busted until the press told him that they were going to reveal it. Nobaody wants to reveal to their wives that they have a “wide stance” and scavenge pieces of toilet paper off the floor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..59wEys0NUE

CSpans Washington Journal
Monday, October 15
7am – Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls
7:45am – Scott Horton, Human Rights First Private Military Contractors Project | Testimony
8:30am – Newspaper Articles & Phones

9am – Leon Aron, American Enterprise Institute, Russian Studies-Director
9:30am – Peter Hakim, Inter-American Dialogue, President

http://www.c-span.org/homepage…..iveDays=30

Well we all now know about the Iranian plot to snuff Putin. But apparently they have also kidnapped the man who is going to pull the Neo-Conservative movement from the death throes they are currently suffering. Fred hasn’t been seen since the last debate! It has to be Iranian “sleeper cells”. In fact, they are likely all taking a big nap together, somewhere in the “Homeland”!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..VPRsWs0NUE

Marion in Savannah @ 183

Good morning, pups. Today in the NYT we have Cohen and Krugman. Roger Cohen writes about Pentagon officials sniffing around in places like Albania trying to attract troops into a “Coalition of the Reluctant” in Iraq. Paul Krugman ponders the Republicans’ “Gore Derangement Syndrome.”

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

The coffee and tea are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. Have a great day, even if it is Monday.

Hi Marion. Thanks. I especially liked Krugman’s article:

“We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals,” said F.D.R. “We know now that it is bad economics.” These words apply perfectly to climate change. It’s in the interest of most people (and especially their descendants) that somebody do something to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, but each individual would like that somebody to be somebody else. Leave it up to the free market, and in a few generations Florida will be underwater.

The solution to such conflicts between self-interest and the common good is to provide individuals with an incentive to do the right thing. In this case, people have to be given a reason to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, either by requiring that they pay a tax on emissions or by requiring that they buy emission permits, which has pretty much the same effects as an emissions tax. We know that such policies work: the U.S. “cap and trade” system of emission permits on sulfur dioxide has been highly successful at reducing acid rain.

Climate change is, however, harder to deal with than acid rain, because the causes are global. The sulfuric acid in America’s lakes mainly comes from coal burned in U.S. power plants, but the carbon dioxide in America’s air comes from coal and oil burned around the planet — and a ton of coal burned in China has the same effect on the future climate as a ton of coal burned here. So dealing with climate change not only requires new taxes or their equivalent; it also requires international negotiations in which the United States will have to give as well as get.

So clear. So concice. The central falacy of Reaganism laid bare for all to see. The flooding of Florida is reality’s reductio-ad-absurdum refutation of Ayn Rand.

Kathleen @ 189

CSpans Washington Journal
Monday, October 15
7am – Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls
7:45am – Scott Horton, Human Rights First Private Military Contractors Project | Testimony
8:30am – Newspaper Articles & Phones

9am – Leon Aron, American Enterprise Institute, Russian Studies-Director
9:30am – Peter Hakim, Inter-American Dialogue, President

http://www.c-span.org/homepage…..iveDays=30

WJ, the heartbeat of America for better or for worse!

Let’s face it, folks. We’re losing 60 Minutes. It’s becoming Dateline with a dash of Fox News. A quickie interview with Prince that throws him softballs? With a very good reporter who’s apparently been persuaded to go down the Katie Couric path? 60 Minutes, under its old management and its older staff, used to define the state-of-the-art for heavily-researched, tough-as-nails original reporting. Now it’s just crap, just like any other honkin’ show on TV. Scott Pelley is leading the way. Sure, the old crew was getting geriatric. But management has not allowed them to pass from failing hands the torch, if you get what I mean. Logan’s reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan won the Emmy, and deservedly so. Now she’s being groomed as another Pretty Blonde.

Jim H @ 193

Let’s face it, folks. We’re losing 60 Minutes. It’s becoming Dateline with a dash of Fox News. A quickie interview with Prince that throws him softballs? With a very good reporter who’s apparently been persuaded to go down the Katie Couric path? 60 Minutes, under its old management and its older staff, used to define the state-of-the-art for heavily-researched, tough-as-nails original reporting. Now it’s just crap, just like any other honkin’ show on TV. Scott Pelley is leading the way. Sure, the old crew was getting geriatric. But management has not allowed them to pass from failing hands the torch, if you get what I mean. Logan’s reporting from Iraq and Afghanistan won the Emmy, and deservedly so. Now she’s being groomed as another Pretty Blonde.

Maybe she is going to go back and she’ll have to rely on BW for security?

Have folks read this news about Blackwater “blackwater guards disarmed U.S. Army soldiers”

Blackwater Is Soaked
An arrogant attitude only adds fuel to the criticism.
By Rod Nordland and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek

Oct. 15, 2007 issue – The colonel was furious. “Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers.” He was describing a 2006 car accident, in which an SUV full of Blackwater operatives had crashed into a U.S. Army Humvee on a street in Baghdad’s Green Zone. The colonel, who was involved in a follow-up investigation and spoke on the condition he not be named, said the Blackwater guards disarmed the U.S. Army soldiers and made them lie on the ground at gunpoint until they could disentangle the SUV. His account was confirmed by the head of another private security company. Asked to address this and other allegations in this story, Blackwater spokesperson Anne Tyrrell said, “This type of gossip has led to many soap operas in the press.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21…../newsweek/

Good Morning!

Scott Horton of Human Rights First is coming up on CSPAN to discuss Blackwater et al.

.
gee raven, you’re probably right about Logan & Blackwater, and it’s got an ominous feel too…

Mornin’ all!

I missed 60 Minutes. I wanted to know from whom they take their orders. And a response to the fact that they pointed their guns at U.S. Soldiers. Never asked?

And who cares about the “free market” and competition anymore? That’s just so pre-9/11, I guess.

I think both Roosevelts would call this an example of corrupt collusion to stifle competition.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..zRaACs0NUE

NEW YORK – Citigroup Inc. and other big banks are working on a plan to support the market for mortgage-backed securities and other investments by jointly creating a fund that would buy as much as $100 billion of the debt, according to published reports.The banks met three weeks ago at the Treasury Department, which is playing an advisory role, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing unnamed people familiar with the situation.

The fund is designed to prevent a sharp sell-off in assets such as mortgage-backed securities, which would send their prices crashing. That could force banks, brokerages and hedge funds with similar investments to significantly write down the value of their assets,

So the banks would lose money because they decided to offer and/or purchase mortgages that were high risk…but when those assets lose value they don’t want to sell them off to…well…people that were more astute and didn’t speculate on these risky loans.

which, in turn, could further tighten credit markets and hurt the economy.

Whatever is good for Citibank (and Bank of America Corp. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co, etc.) has to be good for America!

The plan would help Citigroup, which is set to report third-quarter earnings Monday. The bank said earlier this month that its third-quarter profit would likely be 60 percent less than a year ago because of losses of more than $3 billion from writing down securities backed by underperforming mortgages and loans tied to corporate buyouts.

And we wouldn’t want the Citigroup stockholders to suffer because of the bad decision-making by the Directors and CEO, would we!

So they are colluding to prevent the sale of these assets at lower prices, preferring to keep their properties vacant, by working together to avoid competing for them.

And we wouldn’t want those people who lost their homes due to the inflated interest rates to be able to actually afford to get back into the market and purchase another place to live, would we. Or to allow those people who “held off” to obtain a home from a bank that had to sell it off.

So lets allow them to conspire and create a TRUST of the largest financial firms in the world. That way they won’t lose money while evicting tenants that were offered Variable Rate Mortgages by unscrupulous agents of these self-same financial paragons!

James Joyce @ 192

Kathleen @ 189

CSpans Washington Journal
Monday, October 15
7am – Newspaper Articles & Viewer Calls
7:45am – Scott Horton, Human Rights First Private Military Contractors Project | Testimony
8:30am – Newspaper Articles & Phones

9am – Leon Aron, American Enterprise Institute, Russian Studies-Director
9:30am – Peter Hakim, Inter-American Dialogue, President

http://www.c-span.org/homepage…..iveDays=30

WJ, the heartbeat of America for better or for worse!

I am always shocked when Brian, Greta and other host on Washington Journal allow some callers to repeat a 9/11 Iraq connection.

A caller asked Brian Lamb about correcting outright lies. Brian did say that they are not there to filter people’s opinions and yet it was acceptable to correct proven falsehoods. I have never heard Greta ever correct anyone when they repeat the 9/11 Iraq falsehood

Let me try cinnamonape @ 199 again with the quotations and a couple of grammatical errors corrected

Who really cares about the “free market” and competition anymore? That’s just so pre-9/11, I guess.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..zRaACs0NUE

I think both Teddy and Franklin Rooseveldt would call this an example of corrupt collusion to stifle competition.

NEW YORK – Citigroup Inc. and other big banks are working on a plan to support the market for mortgage-backed securities and other investments by jointly creating a fund that would buy as much as $100 billion of the debt, according to published reports.The banks met three weeks ago at the Treasury Department, which is playing an advisory role, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing unnamed people familiar with the situation.

The fund is designed to prevent a sharp sell-off in assets such as mortgage-backed securities, which would send their prices crashing. That could force banks, brokerages and hedge funds with similar investments to significantly write down the value of their assets,

So (BooHoo) the banks would lose money because they decided to offer and/or purchase mortgages that were high risk…but when those assets lose value they don’t want to sell them off to…well…people that were more astute and didn’t speculate on these risky loans.

The old adage of the Hoover Republicans should be changed to “Whatever is good for Citibank (and Bank of America Corp. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co, etc.) has to be good for America!”

And we wouldn’t want the Citigroup stockholders to suffer because of the horrid (and exploitative) decision-making by the Directors and CEO, would we!

So the Bush Administration (meeting held at the Department of Treasury) and these massive financial behemoths are colluding to prevent the sale of these assets at lower prices, preferring to keep properties vacant, by working together to avoid competing between one another and smaller competitors.

And HOW DARE WE want those people who lost their homes due to the inflated interest rates to be able to actually afford to get back into the market and purchase another place to live! Or to allow those people who “held off” obtaining a home for fear (quite correctly) that there would be a bust in the “housing bubble” or an increase in the interest rate. How dare we allow these CONSERVATIVE INVESTORS from buying a home from a bank compelled to sell it off at auction!

So let’s simply allow them to conspire and create a TRUST of the largest financial firms in the world so they won’t compete and don’t have to put their assets up for auction in a “buyers market”. That way they won’t lose money while, at the same time, evicting tenants that were offered Variable Rate Mortgages by unscrupulous agents of these self-same financial paragons!

ASMA (Adam Smith My A**).

I didn’t see the Logan/Prince interview. But what I suspect happened is that Logan has some integrity and CBS liked the fact that she gave them gravitas by her work. Sort of a bait and switch strategy.. See we tell it like it is. Trust us.

The they use HER credibility and 60 Minutes reputation to get Prince and ratings and so forth.. and then do an editing job to turn the piece into a pass for Blackwater. Itis all about money anyway… ad dollars and so forth. CBS is not going to be tarred as unpatriotic anti American and they are facing a lawsuit by Rather now so they may be lining up support from the MSM and the right who still wields a lot of power in the courts… Hey wink wink.. could you toss out that Lawsuit if we clean up Prince on tee vee?

Just a theory. Logan isn’t going to bite the hand that feeds her and she’s just a reported trying to make way in her own career. Careers are more important than truth. It’s the American way.

cinnamonape @ 201

Let me try cinnamonape @ 199 again with the quotations and a couple of grammatical errors corrected

Who really cares about the “free market” and competition anymore? That’s just so pre-9/11, I guess.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..zRaACs0NUE

I think both Teddy and Franklin Rooseveldt would call this an example of corrupt collusion to stifle competition.

NEW YORK – Citigroup Inc. and other big banks are working on a plan to support the market for mortgage-backed securities and other investments by jointly creating a fund that would buy as much as $100 billion of the debt, according to published reports.The banks met three weeks ago at the Treasury Department, which is playing an advisory role, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing unnamed people familiar with the situation.

The fund is designed to prevent a sharp sell-off in assets such as mortgage-backed securities, which would send their prices crashing. That could force banks, brokerages and hedge funds with similar investments to significantly write down the value of their assets,

So (BooHoo) the banks would lose money because they decided to offer and/or purchase mortgages that were high risk…but when those assets lose value they don’t want to sell them off to…well…people that were more astute and didn’t speculate on these risky loans.

The old adage of the Hoover Republicans should be changed to “Whatever is good for Citibank (and Bank of America Corp. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co, etc.) has to be good for America!”

And we wouldn’t want the Citigroup stockholders to suffer because of the horrid (and exploitative) decision-making by the Directors and CEO, would we!

So the Bush Administration (meeting held at the Department of Treasury) and these massive financial behemoths are colluding to prevent the sale of these assets at lower prices, preferring to keep properties vacant, by working together to avoid competing between one another and smaller competitors.

And HOW DARE WE want those people who lost their homes due to the inflated interest rates to be able to actually afford to get back into the market and purchase another place to live! Or to allow those people who “held off” obtaining a home for fear (quite correctly) that there would be a bust in the “housing bubble” or an increase in the interest rate. How dare we allow these CONSERVATIVE INVESTORS from buying a home from a bank compelled to sell it off at auction!

So let’s simply allow them to conspire and create a TRUST of the largest financial firms in the world so they won’t compete and don’t have to put their assets up for auction in a “buyers market”. That way they won’t lose money while, at the same time, evicting tenants that were offered Variable Rate Mortgages by unscrupulous agents of these self-same financial paragons!

ASMA (Adam Smith My A**).

My father once described the local farmers as cry-baby capitalists. “Give them a few good years, and they see themsselves as self-made men, risk takers, enterpreuners, and they decry government involvement in economic matters. But give them a couple of bad years, and they cry ‘we the people’ and demand government relief and subsidies.”

Big bidness always gets bailed out with the excuse that if they don’t, it will tank the economy and people will lose jobs.

yea right.

very late to this party — but
why is it that when the government
provides paltry-aid to a single mom,
we call it “welfare” — but when the
government rushes in with billions, for
very sophisticated, high-powered finan-
cial institutions — that clearly made
bad investment decisions/chose very imprudent
risks — seeking vast (high-interest) profits,
while not accepting the correlatively-high
rates of default on those risks. . .

we call it “market STABILIZATION“?

why is that?

i thought the conservative mantra
was “don’t reward BAD CHOICES“?!

why are we “stabilizing” these bad decisions,
and effectively de-stabilizing single moms, by
choosing to reimburse investments, instead?

folks — these are all resouce-allocation
issues — the war, the bail-out, abstinence-
only-failures, and the failure to provide
health-care for our children. . . why do
we allow these allocations?

how about PEOPLE-stabilizations,
rather than markets, eh?

and thanks — to teddy san fran, for
featuring my meager youtube efforts, called
the “nightly nolo” (which is really
not so nightly — nor was it, ever!),
at the top of this thread. . .

p e a c e

ps: kick blackwater out NOW!

marymccurnin @ 24

We are trying to keep Blackwater The Murders out of Cali. Cristine Craft, a reporter on progressive radio, has a petition on her site. Last month her boss decided to cut her on air hours from three to one a day. Coinkiedink?

The bosses like that who are still in denial are having a very tough time with reporters and the public who are comfortable with Truth and Reality.

But, in the end this logjam will break loose and they’ll step aside to let progress happen. The Truth will out! … eventually.

Suzanne @ 98

Blub @ 97

Prince Erik still plans to conquer San Diego despite local opposition
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..black.html

also, y’all catch the Sanchez fiasco? Retired general criticizes the war, and the rethugs automatically press the auto-swiftboat button.. they’re trying to tar him with Abu Ghraib now, after completely exonerating him for the same atrocities at the time, if I remember correctly.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI…..index.html

These people really are special

they are still living bush’s ‘you are either with us or you are against us’ crap

Well, the numbers ‘against us (Bushies)’ is growing rather quickly.

Except for some moments of stress the public’s approval of Bush has dropped steadily from day one. There’s no safety net for him and he’s gonna go down hard in the history books.

With some luck he & his cohorts will suffer mightily, so America can raise it’s heads again and claim to be ashamed of our previous behavior.

If we let it go and don’t cleanse ourselves of Bushism, then we’ll be tarred forever.