zed??

Sanctimonious?…Our Joe?

;>)

Joe sanctimonious? Who knew?

Two pricks? Hillary & Joe? LOL

well, well, a “zed” without hardly trying…something to tell the grandkids about…

In other news: Hillary says water “wet”

Further down the evolutionary scale, the right-wing blogs bloomed like a staph infection.

!!!

Wow…I think someone’s won the contest that was going on somewhere in one of the late nite posts last night…!

Jane, thanks for the wonderful opportunity to engage with John Dean on the previous thread. The Lake is a wondrous place.

As to Lieberman, I can understand why Senator Clinton may avoid the word “prick” but it’s lovely to get her on the record about his sanctimony.

I’ve submitted my question about Lieberman in as many forums as possible, for any and all presidential candidates but particularly Obama (”What role might your mentor Joe Lieberman play in your administration?”) but it never gets picked up, even at YKos, where I thought it would be a lock.

darkblack @ 2

Sanctimonious?…Our Joe?

;>)

Say it ain’t so Joe. LOL!

You know something? There’s a whole lot of us out there. We’re women who know what this cackle crap is.

We get it.

We also vote.

sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous /ˌsæŋktəˈmoʊniəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sangk-tuh-moh-nee-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. making a hypocritical show of religious devotion, piety, righteousness, etc.: They resented his sanctimonious comments on immorality in America.

KayInMaine @ 4

Two pricks? Hillary & Joe? LOL

Right. But better not enlarge on it.

Holy Sanctimonius Joe Prick.

That has a ring to it

I’m still amazed at how blessed Connecticut was in having the happy choice between a progressive, totally decent guy like Lamont and a sanctimonious prick.

Mad Dogs @ 9

Say it ain’t so Joe. LOL!

Joe’s cool…Huhhuhhuhhuh.

;>)

Well, that definitely made me more likely to vote for Senator Clinton. Love to hear what she says about him in private, but she’s suburban Methodist, so tightly wound, we won’t likely even read that in her memoirs.

You all saw that Sara Taylor has a new job?

Loo Hoo. @ 17

You all saw that Sara Taylor has a new job?

more wingnut welfare

If Hillary had pursued that line of thought, she might be closer to getting my vote.

This is not my day for Technology. I’ve got Firefox installed now because after I posted one comment in the Dean thread, my computer froze and I had to restart, then the page wouldn’t load again. GRRRRRR!!! So anyways…

I hope his special day is a LOT better than mine.

They have to immediately attack her laughter at these gasbags, because it is the most powerful response anyone has made to them in a long time.

When you laugh at someone, you are signaling that you are not afraid of them. And you are giving other people permission to laugh at them. That is very, very empowering.

They can’t have that. So they are attacking with everything they can find.

But as Boston1775 says, the women out there know what’s going on here.

I had a conversation with Digby about this, and she said the same thing. She was in a message thread about the laugh thing, and opinions split along gender lines. The women thought it was great, the men thought it wasn’t.

Being a man, and having been laughed at by women at times, I can tell you how powerful an act it is, and how threatening.

Women get it, and women vote. In fact, from what I read, suburban women are the major swing group in the upcoming election.

Keep laughing HRC, it works.

Berken @ 16

Well, that definitely made me more likely to vote for Senator Clinton. Love to hear what she says about him in private, but she’s suburban Methodist, so tightly wound, we won’t likely even read that in her memoirs.

Some us who were brought up as “suburban Methodist” grow out of it.

darkblack @ 15

Mad Dogs @ 9

Say it ain’t so Joe. LOL!

Joe’s cool…Huhhuhhuhhuh.

;>)

DB, don’t you have one of Joe in diapers and with a pacifier?

And now Lady’s and Germs…..Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee’s Joey!

Planet Joe, the planet of Liars and Idiots!

TeddySanFran @ 8

Jane, thanks for the wonderful opportunity to engage with John Dean on the previous thread. The Lake is a wondrous place.

As to Lieberman, I can understand why Senator Clinton may avoid the word “prick” but it’s lovely to get her on the record about his sanctimony.

I’ve submitted my question about Lieberman in as many forums as possible, for any and all presidential candidates but particularly Obama (”What role might your mentor Joe Lieberman play in your administration?”) but it never gets picked up, even at YKos, where I thought it would be a lock.

That is a very good question, Teddy. They absolutely should have asked it at YK.

Audrey @ 19

If Hillary had pursued that line of thought, she might be closer to getting my vote.

This is not my day for Technology. I’ve got Firefox installed now because after I posted one comment in the Dean thread, my computer froze and I had to restart, then the page wouldn’t load again. GRRRRRR!!! So anyways…

I hope his special day is a LOT better than mine.

FireFox uh…..well….ya know….

It works good.

David Horowitz made the claim that he, personally, “purged” Liarman “of his party” on C-SPAN Q&A the other day. So that is a pretty disgusting thought to consider that Liarman now views the world in Horowitz terms.

Jane Hamsher @ 24

TeddySanFran @ 8

Jane, thanks for the wonderful opportunity to engage with John Dean on the previous thread. The Lake is a wondrous place.

As to Lieberman, I can understand why Senator Clinton may avoid the word “prick” but it’s lovely to get her on the record about his sanctimony.

I’ve submitted my question about Lieberman in as many forums as possible, for any and all presidential candidates but particularly Obama (”What role might your mentor Joe Lieberman play in your administration?”) but it never gets picked up, even at YKos, where I thought it would be a lock.

That is a very good question, Teddy. They absolutely should have asked it at YK.

That assumes that Matt Bai or Peter Daou have a frikin’ clue….

That fact not currently in evidence.

And yes, I am being sarcastic.

Jane Hamsher @ 24

TeddySanFran @ 8

Jane, thanks for the wonderful opportunity to engage with John Dean on the previous thread. The Lake is a wondrous place.

As to Lieberman, I can understand why Senator Clinton may avoid the word “prick” but it’s lovely to get her on the record about his sanctimony.

My old man used to say, “I’d call him a prick but a prick has a head”!

Jane,
Since the first time I found Firedoglake, I have been astounded by and grateful for all you and this community has accomplished. Additionally, events like the Blue America chats and Book Salons enable communication that fosters real democracy.

Three cheers for FDL and its foul-mouthed bloggers.

Joe Liberman is a prick.

sanctimonious joe - LMAO!!! how shocking - who knew lol OMG!!! and his shit doesn’t stink either

Ah, yes. Joe-effing-Lieberman, the jerk who just couldn’t wait to backstab Bill Clinton by giving the GOP the ‘bipartisan’ cover they needed to push for the horrific idea of impeaching someone, not over senselessly causing the deaths of over a million people as Bush has done in Iraq, but for trying to hide an affair.

Words effing fail me.

New spelling, just for Joe: SanctiMOANius

A.Citizen @ 25

Audrey @ 19

FireFox uh…..well….ya know….

It works good.

Heh. It’s all about timing. I’m normally asleep right now having worked all night, but didn’t want to miss Dean…and in fact, I missed most of it. *sniff* He’s been my hero for a looong time.

;)

TJ @ 29

Jane,
Since the first time I found Firedoglake, I have been astounded by and grateful for all you and this community has accomplished. Additionally, events like the Blue America chats and Book Salons enable communication that fosters real democracy.

Three cheers for FDL and its foul-mouthed bloggers.

Ahem. I believe the term is “foul-mouthed fem bloggers.” We non-fems are always polite. :)

Scarecrow @ 35

TJ @ 29

Jane,
Since the first time I found Firedoglake, I have been astounded by and grateful for all you and this community has accomplished. Additionally, events like the Blue America chats and Book Salons enable communication that fosters real democracy.

Three cheers for FDL and its foul-mouthed bloggers.

Ahem. I believe the term is “foul-mouthed fem bloggers.” We non-fems are always polite. :)

But I wanted to cheer for you too, Scarecrow. You’ve been a fantastic addition to the front page.

well.. is that all the rethug Ministry of Truth can come up with? They don’t like her laugh? or is this just another one of those rally the base culture-war things that I don’t understand? Geesh they’re imbecilic!

Speaking of Hannity, did y’all see this gem, on the Gore nobel award, on Faux News:
“You know, we have put up scientists, meteorologists, expert, one after another, hundreds and hundreds of them, that disagree with Al Gore and disagree with you, but you guys continue to repeat this myth that this evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible.”

He actually started talking about “settled law” to refer to science.. until science is “settled” it should never be referenced by policymakers… cause it’s just conjecture. I wonder how long he thinks it takes science to “settle”?

Rik Hertzberg is an amazingly good writer.

Hume’s “lapse into graciousness.” Priceless.

Oh and Jane, you are awesome. That book salon list on the right is impressive to say the least. Thanks so much for this even if I complain about the techie stuff I still appreciate it the work you and the crew put into it.

God bless you!

Blub @ 37

well.. is that all the rethug Ministry of Truth can come up with? They don’t like her laugh? or is this just another one of those rally the base culture-war things that I don’t understand? Geesh they’re imbecilic!

Speaking of Hannity, did y’all see this gem, on the Gore nobel award, on Faux News:
“You know, we have put up scientists, meteorologists, expert, one after another, hundreds and hundreds of them, that disagree with Al Gore and disagree with you, but you guys continue to repeat this myth that this evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible.”

In my dictionary, next to the definition of “irrelevant,” there’s a picture of Sean Hannity.

Here’s the thing about Lieberman’s future I worry about: he’ll be rather useless in the Senate in 2009, given our likely larger Democratic majority (I hope). Therefore he will seek other pastures to make himself sanctimonious and outspoken. He’ll be angling for a job in a Democratic administration, and I’d like all our candidates to pledge not to hire him.

He has no place in a Democratic administration, and our candidates should say so.

Is there any polling on Joe’s approval with CT people?

Loo Hoo. @ 21

DB, don’t you have one of Joe in diapers and with a pacifier?

Sorry, Loo Hoo…He wasn’t very cooperative on picture day and spat the dummy.

;>)

Chas in the San Juans @ 20

They have to immediately attack her laughter at these gasbags, because it is the most powerful response anyone has made to them in a long time.

When you laugh at someone, you are signaling that you are not afraid of them. And you are giving other people permission to laugh at them. That is very, very empowering.

They can’t have that. So they are attacking with everything they can find.

But as Boston1775 says, the women out there know what’s going on here.

I had a conversation with Digby about this, and she said the same thing. She was in a message thread about the laugh thing, and opinions split along gender lines. The women thought it was great, the men thought it wasn’t.

Being a man, and having been laughed at by women at times, I can tell you how powerful an act it is, and how threatening.

Women get it, and women vote. In fact, from what I read, suburban women are the major swing group in the upcoming election.

Keep laughing HRC, it works.

Absolutely. Watching her laugh and contain her laughing was one of the best things I’ve seen in a while.

“Cackle” indeed. What a limp response…

Can we add unctuous and hypocritical?
We need to see some more clips of Holy Joe yucking it up with Imus before attacking the crudeness of popular entertainment.

Hillary The DLC pot said, “Well, he the DLC kettle is certainly sanctimonious.”

Audrey — just before he left, Dean said he had to go make a speech, but would return later this evening to continue answering questions. Check back on the prior thread later.

TeddySanFran @ 41

Here’s the thing about Lieberman’s future I worry about: he’ll be rather useless in the Senate in 2009, given our likely larger Democratic majority (I hope). Therefore he will seek other pastures to make himself sanctimonious and outspoken. He’ll be angling for a job in a Democratic administration, and I’d like all our candidates to pledge not to hire him.

He has no place in a Democratic administration, and our candidates should say so.

Are you suggesting you believe he will be denied committee chairs by his old pals?

TeddySanFran @ 41

Here’s the thing about Lieberman’s future I worry about: he’ll be rather useless in the Senate in 2009, given our likely larger Democratic majority (I hope). Therefore he will seek other pastures to make himself sanctimonious and outspoken. He’ll be angling for a job in a Democratic administration, and I’d like all our candidates to pledge not to hire him.

He has no place in a Democratic administration, and our candidates should say so.

Naah. I say make him ambassador to Zimbabwe, and he can hang out with his soul-mate, Robert Mugabe.

Nah. Joementum is not a prick.

Being a prick connotes that which testosterone and androgen enable, a certain erectness, shall we say?

Joementum is the very definition of flaccid, quite the opposite of what we might expect from a prick. He is limp, ineffectual, utterly spineless.

Sanctimonious detumescence in all its glory; the only thing swollen about him is his ego.

I was over at the Dean thread using Opera as usual and had no problems — until I went and came back and found that the comments would not load after a hard refresh. First time that has ever happened with Opera. What’s going on with the Dean thread that is different? Is it likely to be a long-term FDL thing?

The right would rather women didn’t speak, but their mediabots can’t come out and actually say that, so they make sport of Hillary’s laugh.

They’d rather she made no sound at all; the laugh is the stand-in for speech.

burnspbesq @ 49

Naah. I say make him ambassador to Zimbabwe, and he can hang out with his soul-mate, Robert Mugabe.

or Myanmar.. do we have an embassy there?

Chas in the San Juans @ 20

They have to immediately attack her laughter at these gasbags, because it is the most powerful response anyone has made to them in a long time.

When you laugh at someone, you are signaling that you are not afraid of them. And you are giving other people permission to laugh at them. That is very, very empowering.

They can’t have that. So they are attacking with everything they can find.

But as Boston1775 says, the women out there know what’s going on here.

I had a conversation with Digby about this, and she said the same thing. She was in a message thread about the laugh thing, and opinions split along gender lines. The women thought it was great, the men thought it wasn’t.

Being a man, and having been laughed at by women at times, I can tell you how powerful an act it is, and how threatening.

Women get it, and women vote. In fact, from what I read, suburban women are the major swing group in the upcoming election.

Keep laughing HRC, it works.

When HRC laughs at these morons, their cremaster muscles go into spasm. I agree, keep it up.

By the way, I really appreciated the John Dean guest spot today. It’s a pity there was some sort of IE glitch (folks, this is why I run linux ;-) ) but it seemed to run along okay once that was fixed. I was really impressed with his demeanor and the things he had to say AND that he’d be back later on around 6ish(?) to pick up after his other obligations today. WOW! And he gives real answers, too.

I sort of feel like I got to watch a bit of history, you know? Sweet.

Scarecrow @ 35

TJ @ 29

Jane,
Since the first time I found Firedoglake, I have been astounded by and grateful for all you and this community has accomplished. Additionally, events like the Blue America chats and Book Salons enable communication that fosters real democracy.

Three cheers for FDL and its foul-mouthed bloggers.

Ahem. I believe the term is “foul-mouthed fem bloggers.” We non-fems are always polite. :)

That’s feckin’ right!

Even Dodd who seems pretty reasoned is afraid to dump on HoJo. The senate is like a website forum.. you act kinda civilized even to whackjobs because it’s polite.

Can’t for the like of me understand why they didn’t tell him to march with the elephants because he ran against a dem. Where’s that at?
Of I forgot… spineless dems

Let us all thank whatever things there are to thank that we aren’t sitting here moping over Vice President Lieberman’s seeming lock on the Democratic nomination.

Blub @ 53

burnspbesq @ 49

Naah. I say make him ambassador to Zimbabwe, and he can hang out with his soul-mate, Robert Mugabe.

or Myanmar.. do we have an embassy there?

I say shave off what little fuzz he has left on that flaccid head of his, swaddle tightly in a saffron robe and ship ‘em. Then let’s see what happens.

congrats, peterk!

Blub @ 37

well.. is that all the rethug Ministry of Truth can come up with? They don’t like her laugh? or is this just another one of those rally the base culture-war things that I don’t understand? Geesh they’re imbecilic!

Speaking of Hannity, did y’all see this gem, on the Gore nobel award, on Faux News:
“You know, we have put up scientists, meteorologists, expert, one after another, hundreds and hundreds of them, that disagree with Al Gore and disagree with you, but you guys continue to repeat this myth that this evidence is overwhelming and incontrovertible.”

He actually started talking about “settled law” to refer to science.. until science is “settled” it should never be referenced by policymakers… cause it’s just conjecture. I wonder how long he thinks it takes science to “settle”?

‘Ministry of Truth’ - i like that better than MSM. Gets right to the point.

Scarecrow @ 47

Audrey — just before he left, Dean said he had to go make a speech, but would return later this evening to continue answering questions. Check back on the prior thread later.

You can be sure I will. Thanks, Scarecrow. :)

Blub @ 53

burnspbesq @ 49

Naah. I say make him ambassador to Zimbabwe, and he can hang out with his soul-mate, Robert Mugabe.

or Myanmar.. do we have an embassy there?

If we do, I sure hope we’ve brought our ambassador home for “consultations.” That’s the diplomatic equivalent of a full-on hissy fit, and the first step on the road to breaking off diplomatic relations.

I think the laugh was super and all dems should laugh at stupid questions on Fox or any network for that matter.

They are a joke of a news organization… Chris Wallace?

TeddySanFran @ 41

Here’s the thing about Lieberman’s future I worry about: he’ll be rather useless in the Senate in 2009, given our likely larger Democratic majority (I hope). Therefore he will seek other pastures to make himself sanctimonious and outspoken. He’ll be angling for a job in a Democratic administration, and I’d like all our candidates to pledge not to hire him.

He has no place in a Democratic administration, and our candidates should say so.

Junya, in retirement, is gonna need a real good butt-kisser and Joe has got the creds: “My lips, meet Repug ass.”

cleter @ 58

Let us all thank whatever things there are to thank that we aren’t sitting here moping over Vice President Lieberman’s seeming lock on the Democratic nomination.

They say every cloud has a silver lining. I think you’ve identified a great one. The other one I truly believe is that Al Gore does not have responsibility for 9/11 on his conscience. He would have felt guilty for every life lost, unlike our current president who only thought about leveraging it to his whims.

Intelligent design as settled science. God said so.

darkblack @ 43

Loo Hoo. @ 21

DB, don’t you have one of Joe in diapers and with a pacifier?

Sorry, Loo Hoo…He wasn’t very cooperative on picture day and spat the dummy.

;>)

Perfection!

Sanctimonious detumescence
I am loving that, Rayne.

I don’t mind Hillary laughing at laughable stuff. I don’t understand the right wing going bonkers over it. Doesn’t Bush chortle all the time? Do they object to that?

TeddySanFran @ 52

The right would rather women didn’t speak, but their mediabots can’t come out and actually say that, so they make sport of Hillary’s laugh.

They’d rather she made no sound at all; the laugh is the stand-in for speech.

Actually, I think (to a lot of people, anyway) it makes her sound more human and less calculating, which scares the rethugs. Also, she is the annointed dem front-runner, so they have to attack her personally, and the laugh identifies her gender, somewhat, so is a good target, resonating with a lot of men who are afraid of women in power (a little like the–gasp!–cleaveage issue a while back).

SanderO @ 57

Even Dodd who seems pretty reasoned is afraid to dump on HoJo. The senate is like a website forum.. you act kinda civilized even to whackjobs because it’s polite.

Can’t for the like of me understand why they didn’t tell him to march with the elephants because he ran against a dem. Where’s that at?
Of I forgot… spineless dems

Maybe Dodd, et al, have a forlorn hope that Leiberman will sometime, somehow, do the right thing. And they actually have had to live with the dude…

cleter @ 70

I don’t mind Hillary laughing at laughable stuff. I don’t understand the right wing going bonkers over it. Doesn’t Bush chortle all the time? Do they object to that?

and that chortle is downright creepy

TJ @ 66

cleter @ 58

Let us all thank whatever things there are to thank that we aren’t sitting here moping over Vice President Lieberman’s seeming lock on the Democratic nomination.

They say every cloud has a silver lining. I think you’ve identified a great one. The other one I truly believe is that Al Gore does not have responsibility for 9/11 on his conscience. He would have felt guilty for every life lost, unlike our current president who only thought about leveraging it to his whims.

If Al Gore had been president on 9/11, Osama would be in the Federal Supermax serving a life sentence, and no American troops would have died in Iraq. And Pat Tillman would be playing safety for the Arizona Cardinals.

So, policy-wise, how does Hillary differ from Lieberman, exactly? Are their voting records strikingly different?

Just out of curiosity, have any of the Republican candidates’ trophy wives shown cleavage?

uhhhh joe doesn’t even front that he’s a dem - has definitely travelled to the dark side

TJ @ 66

cleter @ 58

Let us all thank whatever things there are to thank that we aren’t sitting here moping over Vice President Lieberman’s seeming lock on the Democratic nomination.

They say every cloud has a silver lining. I think you’ve identified a great one. The other one I truly believe is that Al Gore does not have responsibility for 9/11 on his conscience. He would have felt guilty for every life lost, unlike our current president who only thought about leveraging it to his whims.

I’ll make the obvious point that President Gore might have paid attention to a PDB entitled “Bin Laden Determined To Attack In U.S.” And he probably would’ve thwarted 911, having noticed all the hair on fire at Ft Meade & Langley — something this crew totally ignored.

TJ @ 76

Just out of curiosity, have any of the Republican candidates’ trophy wives shown cleavage?

perhaps they make ‘em wear burkas.

Hillary and Bill, You’ve read this thing right. There are more educated women than any powerful man wants to think about.

Cackle is just one of those words that can make a woman angry, offended and … well, angry.

Elliott @ 73

cleter @ 70

I don’t mind Hillary laughing at laughable stuff. I don’t understand the right wing going bonkers over it. Doesn’t Bush chortle all the time? Do they object to that?

and that chortle is downright creepy

Yeah, because it shows his insecurity. Her laugh sounds much more genuine, IMO.

TJ @ 76

Just out of curiosity, have any of the Republican candidates’ trophy wives shown cleavage?

I carry this in my wallet. [in case people ask the question]

burnspbesq @ 74

TJ @ 66

They say every cloud has a silver lining. I think you’ve identified a great one. The other one I truly believe is that Al Gore does not have responsibility for 9/11 on his conscience. He would have felt guilty for every life lost, unlike our current president who only thought about leveraging it to his whims.

If Al Gore had been president on 9/11, Osama would be in the Federal Supermax serving a life sentence, and no American troops would have died in Iraq.

Very true. But despite this happening, Republicans would have blamed 9/11 on the fact that we had a Democratic president. History has now shown that having a Republican president does not protect our country from attacks.

TJ @ 66

cleter @ 58

Let us all thank whatever things there are to thank that we aren’t sitting here moping over Vice President Lieberman’s seeming lock on the Democratic nomination.

They say every cloud has a silver lining. I think you’ve identified a great one. The other one I truly believe is that Al Gore does not have responsibility for 9/11 on his conscience. He would have felt guilty for every life lost, unlike our current president who only thought about leveraging it to his whims.

Gore would have listened to the August warnings and might well have averted the attack, you know.

But we’ll never know. And what Gore has done since is just amazing. And you know, it’s also a giant middle finger waved at all the right wing reicht…

@ peanutbutter @ 55

By the way, I really appreciated the John Dean guest spot today. It’s a pity there was some sort of IE glitch (folks, this is why I run linux ;-) ) but it seemed to run along okay once that was fixed. I was really impressed with his demeanor and the things he had to say AND that he’d be back later on around 6ish(?) to pick up after his other obligations today. WOW! And he gives real answers, too.

I sort of feel like I got to watch a bit of history, you know? Sweet.

I just got in from work, hoping to read Dean’s live blog. Can’t get it, or any earlier threads either. What gives?

TJ @ 76

Just out of curiosity, have any of the Republican candidates’ trophy wives shown cleavage?

Mrs Fred “Rooski don’ take a dump without a plan” Thompson 3.0 is not averse to showing off her technical marvels. A triumph of the surgeons art, they are.

Fred had some healthy man-cleavage, himself, before he started wasting away. Wait, were you being rhetorical? Sorry.

TJ @ 76

Just out of curiosity, have any of the Republican candidates’ trophy wives shown cleavage?

Actually, they have wives, but spend more time with their boyfriends if you know what I mean. Not sure if the boyfriends or the wives are showing cleavage at this time. ;-)

If Al Gore had been president on 9/11, Osama would be in the Federal Supermax serving a life sentence, and no American troops would have died in Iraq.

I think President elect Gore in spite of VP Lieberman would have actually listened to CIA visits interrupting his vacation with a Bin Laden determined to strike US type of warning.. 9-11 might not have been explosive at all with President elect Gore.

TeddySanFran @ 78

TJ @ 66

They say every cloud has a silver lining. I think you’ve identified a great one. The other one I truly believe is that Al Gore does not have responsibility for 9/11 on his conscience. He would have felt guilty for every life lost, unlike our current president who only thought about leveraging it to his whims.

I’ll make the obvious point that President Gore might have paid attention to a PDB entitled “Bin Laden Determined To Attack In U.S.” And he probably would’ve thwarted 911, having noticed all the hair on fire at Ft Meade & Langley — something this crew totally ignored.

TSF - I’ll agree he would have paid attention, but I’m not sure anything could have stopped it.

I think the right made a mistake going after Hillary for her laugh, unless they want her to be the nominee. I was drawn to her for her laughter (especially at Chris Wallace, knowing Bill’s recent history with him) but I became defensive on her behalf when Fox & Fiends unleashed their absurd criticism.

I won’t leave Edwards unless he’s defeated, but Hill’s had a great month. I am drawn to her after this silliness — does that make sense?

yellowdogD @ 85

I just got in from work, hoping to read Dean’s live blog. Can’t get it, or any earlier threads either. What gives?

Try Firefox; apparently there has been a problem with IE.

Which seems incredibly odd, don’t you think? I don’t recall ever hearing of a single post that caused problems for users of a particular browser in this way before, except in reference to embedded images…

Scarecrow @ 82

TJ @ 76

Just out of curiosity, have any of the Republican candidates’ trophy wives shown cleavage?

I carry this in my wallet. [in case people ask the question]

You carry a picture of Senator Cryptkeeper and his succubus in your wallet?

yellowdogD @ 85

I just got in from work, hoping to read Dean’s live blog. Can’t get it, or any earlier threads either. What gives?

Seemed to be a browser issue, ydD. Try firefox?

FunnyD

de·tu·mes·cence (dē’tōō-měs’əns, -tyōō-) Pronunciation Key
n. Reduction or lessening of a swelling, especially the restoration of a swollen organ or part to normal size.

What happened to the John Dean thing? There was, and is nothing on my screen but the intro. No place for comments or anything.

yellowdogD @ 85

@ peanutbutter @ 55

By the way, I really appreciated the John Dean guest spot today. It’s a pity there was some sort of IE glitch (folks, this is why I run linux ;-) ) but it seemed to run along okay once that was fixed. I was really impressed with his demeanor and the things he had to say AND that he’d be back later on around 6ish(?) to pick up after his other obligations today. WOW! And he gives real answers, too.

I sort of feel like I got to watch a bit of history, you know? Sweet.

I just got in from work, hoping to read Dean’s live blog. Can’t get it, or any earlier threads either. What gives?

There’s a glitch in the system. Try using a browser other that IE or Safari. Firefox worked for me.

Blamed 9.11 on a president… there’s plenty of question as to whether W and his sidekick let it happen or made it happen. They certainly made out because it happened.

Read the Shock Doctrine.

Rayne @ 91

yellowdogD @ 85

I just got in from work, hoping to read Dean’s live blog. Can’t get it, or any earlier threads either. What gives?

Try Firefox; apparently there has been a problem with IE.

Which seems incredibly odd, don’t you think? I don’t recall ever hearing of a single post that caused problems for users of a particular browser in this way before, except in reference to embedded images…

I’m curious too & would love to hear a technical explanation. My day job involves cross platform compatibility and there’s a few things that could be candidates such as particular javascripts, and it is clear that a lot of that is tucked into the commentary section via the refresh comments, quote, etc. But clearly most of those things work most of the time here, O I’m curious, even professionally curious as well…

TeddySanFran @ 90

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I won’t leave Edwards unless he’s defeated, but Hill’s had a great month. I am drawn to her after this silliness — does that make sense?

I know what you mean. IMO, she is close to perfect in the image department, which is essential for being a good President (and winning the election as well, of course). What worries me is what she would actually DO as prez..

cleter @ 92

Scarecrow @ 82

I carry this in my wallet. [in case people ask the question]

You carry a picture of Senator Cryptkeeper and his succubus in your wallet?

No, don’t have that one; do you have a link?

I see O’Reilly, etc’s comments as no evidence of her being a good guy. It’s a kneejerk reaction.

They think she’s got it won, and some of them can’t even wait to start hammering her.

Right now, it’s mostly personal stuff, but wait to see if she wins the nomination. Then, it will be a drumbeat, and every time she opens her mouth and tap-dances a step to the left, they will flay the hide off her over her consistent support for the war, until she started reading the polls about the surge.

and, once we nominate her, watch how fast the MSM stops with the “she’s really OK” BS, and watch them jump right into the hammerfest, themselves.

That same old deadly question:

How can she go after the GOP about the war, which is THE issue on which they are most vulnerable, and on which we can and should swamp them at the polls, when she doesn’t believe that the invasion was a mistake?

I don’t know the date of her little love-tap at Lieberman, but until I see different I think it’s fair to assume that it was recent, and that fits with the fact that she’s trying to get a toe back in the progressive tent, because she’s getting worked over on her earlier and unapologized-for positions, including her support for Lieberman.

One of the posters here, in a moment of utter clarity, described her positions as “tepid incrementalism”.

Hammer-nail-bang.

Only, as Iraq continues to loom larger and larger as THE central issue of the campaign, her increments are going to have to get bigger. And there will be people reminding all and sundry about the expansion.

The problem the republicans have, is getting their rank-and-file to limit their swipes at her to a kind of en passant jabs, and to save their political ammo in case she does get nominated.

Nothing has changed. She is the one politician who can keep the white house in republican hands, and who can make Giuliani’s, or any other republican’s, slimy coattails, look so clean and attractive that they could take back the Senate and the House.

My 2 cents, no free ride for her. Let her be asked, over and over, why she doesn’t think it was a wretched, bloody, mistake, to pull the trigger on Iraq.

And why she’s so cozy with AIPAC, which has an undeniable agenda of pushing our government for an attack on Iran.

And how she thinks she can capitalize on the issue of Iraq in the election, when she’s been such a supporter of the war.

PeterK @ 99

TeddySanFran @ 90

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I won’t leave Edwards unless he’s defeate