***Just a reminder: Book Salon with John Dean will be held at a special time today, beginning at 11:30 am PT/2:30 pm ET.***
According to Ed Gillespie, the new WH policy “braintrust,” keeping the rabid wingnut base happily in line is far more important than providing health care for needy kids. No, I’m not kidding. Via a weird hybrid article of spin and desperate confessional from the NYTimes:
At the White House, administration officials urged Congressional Republicans to try to remain positive and ride out the current turmoil. Ed Gillespie, a senior adviser to Mr. Bush, told the visitors, according to multiple accounts, that had Republicans sided with Democrats on the health program, they would have opened themselves to withering criticism from conservatives and been in a worse position than they are now.
But that was small solace to Congressional Republicans who worry that the White House does not fully appreciate their political difficulties and that Mr. Bush, who will not be on the ballot next year, has put them in harm’s way with his opposition to the children’s health care bill…. (emphasis mine)
Wrong. What put Congressional Republicans in harm’s way was siding with the President no matter what when he was wrong instead of doing the right thing for children in America. Stop trying to find someone else to blame and look at your own votes. It is as though people inside the Beltway lose all consciousness of the consequences of their actions.
– Using nasty wingnuts to front out the most vile pushback so that you don’t have to actually think about your actions? It means that you and your party get to pick up the tab for the likes of Ann Coulter and RedState and Malkin and “Pills” Limbaugh and their ilk. Is that really the face of the GOP that you want oozing out there day in, day out? I guess so, if Republican leadership is using them to launder dirty tricks against children and their family. (And you know your tactic has backfired in a huge way when even the wingnut-friendly WSJ editorial page lambastes the wingnut blog and radio shriekers for attacking a child as a dishonest ”mob.” Of course, no mention whatsoever in the WSJ of the GOP leadership’s role in egging on the mob mentaility. Convenient.)
– You either respect the rule of law or you don’t. And when you don’t? Then you reap a whole host of problems. Whether or not the Beltway Brahmins want to acknowledge it, rebuilding respect for our justice system and trust in its mechanisms is going to take a long, long time — and by propping up illegal end-runs of the Constitution and the rule of law, the inside the beltway crowd bears responsbility for this problem.
– When you send our nation’s soldiers off to fight in a war of your choosing, they deserve better than just being told to suck it up and deal. (Warning: this article will piss you off.) And they sure as hell deserve more support from potential employers than “if you’re going to get deployed again, we’re not interested.” Real leaders stand up and say so instead of just pretending the problems still don’t exist — 6 years and counting into this mess. Stand up and lead, for hell’s sakes, because vets and their families deserve much better than what they are getting at the moment. Decisions to go to war have enormous consequences, not just for budget deficits and staged photo-ops, and the costs to these very real, very human soldiers and their families are enormous.
– A unilateral executive goes against the Constitution and the principles under which this nation was founded. It’s not just bad for Russia. Ahem.
And it goes on and on and on…
Of course, being a Republican means never having to acknowledge that you are wrong. But maybe, just maybe, we could at least get a few personal-ass-saving vote changes on SCHIP from the craven masses because they realize that the real public thinks the GOP looks like a modern cautionary Ebenezer tale. Here’s hoping…because as Calzee notes in the comments, SCHIP makes good sense for all of us:
…why wouldn’t the supporters of SCHIP be patiently explaining to the Me First and Only Republicans that they really do want poor children to have health care because if they don’t, even little insured Republican children can be infected with strep, MSRA, whooping cough, impetigo, meningitis, etc….
Common sense and science. Let’s try some of that for a change, what do you say?
(Editorial cartoon used with express permission from Justin Bilicki. Just sums up my disgusted feeling this morning…)



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CHS!!!
Ed Gillespie, a senior adviser to Mr. Bush, told the visitors, according to multiple accounts, that had Republicans sided with Democrats on the health program, they would have opened themselves to withering criticism from conservatives and been in a worse position than they are now.
How about doing the RIGHT thing for once in their miserable lives?
Christy!
Doesn’t the “base” ever have kids who get sick?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 2
Remember who you are talking about.
TexBetsy @ 5
Hah! I remember, and I’m not going to let them forget.
More Goopers and caring for kids:
The chairman of the Republican Party in Brown County faces criminal charges for allegedly fondling a 16-year-old Ethan House runaway and providing the boy with beer and marijuana late last year.
Donald Fleischman, 37, of Allouez, was charged last month with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child. link
(Green Bay, WI)
Christy on fire!
It takes a lot of people to keep the mighty Wurlitzer weazing.
At this point, the Wurlitzer is in charge. Mustn’t abandon it.
This is outrageous. These people deserve a whole lot better than this.
In Montpelier I sometimes see a couple of vets – Vietnam I’m thinking, sitting on the steps with a sign, “Can you help out a vet?” I always give whatever money I have in my pocket and they say “thanks sister” but it fills me with rage, that these guys aren’t being helped by the country they served.
TexBetsy @ 4
Yes, but Jesus makes them well again.
Mostly.
Let’s not forget another classic from Mr. Greenwald when he says:
OT..FYI
Swiftboating 12 year old Graeme Frost; Frost on Countdown Monday
By Last Night in Little Rock
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/10/14/122721/03
This kid has more guts than the Dem leadership
I mean what kind of country is this? It’s not like we’re an impoverished nation. We’ve got tax cuts for the super rich and every other big 40,000 dollar SUV has a plastic “support the troops” sticker on it, and what the hell support are they actually getting? They don’t even get armor when they’re there, and they don’t get services or help when they’re back.
Steve-AR @ 13
My goldfish has more guts than the Dem leadership.
Jon Stewart had plenty to say about this last week.
btw, when I said the article on treatment of veterans would piss you off, I really meant it. I’m still pissed…
carolyn urban @ 14
Between Anchorage and Palmer, where I live, there’s the community of Eagle River, which is even more wingnut than my area. After September 11, 2001, so many cars had flags on their antennas, etc. Then the stickers like “piss on Osama,” etc. Then, with the invasion/occupation, another layer of stickers, banners, magnets and so on. Within the last year, all that stuff has all but disappeared. Hardly any W stickers left on anything other than HumVees.
To say I am outraged about the Bush treatment of SCHIP would be a giant understatement. And this is one of the times I don’t enjoy being cynical. But the Bush and Rovian actions on this issue expose these men once and for all for exactly what they and the GOP are. Monstrous miscreants. Grover Norquist: is this what you mean about drowning the government? Mr. Norquist, you are a very nasty piece of work.
Hey! Why does Atrios get the credit for picking up on that statement from Rice? I posted it in the cat thread yesterday!
I want a first!
And a gold star!
And a cookie!
Can I have a pony, too?
“Decisions to go to war have enormous consequences, not just for budget deficits and staged photo-ops, and the costs to these very real, very human soldiers and their families are enormous.”
Those “enormous consequences” have effected the country of Iraq and the Iraqi people more than most Americans want to spend any time
thinking about.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
http://www.theirc.org/what/iraqi-refugees.html?g
clid=CIew993tjo8CFSasGgodzneefg
A humanitarian crisis of historic proportions
The conflict in Iraq has created a humanitarian crisis of historic proportions, yet the international response has been grossly inadequate. More than two million people are uprooted within Iraq and as many have fled to neighboring countries. Those who helped the coalition forces are in grave danger, but few are receiving protection. International Rescue Committee teams are on the ground to deliver relief.
Blender @ 20
You got it! Gold star cookie box with a pony.
HERE’S the face of the GOP oozing out there every day.
In fact you Can’t Stop the Ooze.
George W. Bush has never earned a dime on his own in his wretched existence. And will never have to face any consequences for his actions. And this rascal knows it.
I am so tired of being pissed off. Every now and then there is some little bit of good news. But, sadly, it is just that, a little bit. There are so many issues where I just want to grab the people in charge by their lapels and shout at them, “What’s wrong with you? Are you blind? Can you really be that much of an idiot?!”
This is why much of the time I cannot read some of the links. I know they will just remind me of the total lack of humanity that is shown by so many people in so many ways on so many days. Thank goodness for places like the lake where showing one’s humanity is not a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength.
OK, I’m done for now. I got dishes to wash.
I missed this when I was putting this article together, but this is a fascinating glimpse inside some of the debate inside the military command structure itself. And a very tiny glimpse at that…there has been a lot more discontent among military commanders that rarely if ever gets into the public discussion.
Kathleen @ 21
And Blackwater is on the ground too, to bring more death, destruction and discord – inaccountable to all except Amway.
carolyn urban @ 14
Does anybody know who puts out those stickers/magnets and where the money goes?
On the other hand, John Dean will be here soon and will answer every question and restore hope to all of us. Watergate was a defining moment on rule of law or rule by the Washington Elite. Keep in mind this debate divided Madison and Hamilton, so there is hope.
I read Naomi Wolf’s “The End of America” the other night and I recommend people buy a copy and circulate it. Its virtue, I think, is precisely its brevity: it’s a handy little pamphlet that condenses the crisis we’re in and captures the zeitgeist.
David Ehrenstein @ 23
When this story breaks bigger, Rush will defend this R ped. Here’s Rush, “So, the Patriot gave the kid some candy and j*cked off at the foot of the bed. – No harm no foul. Bill Clinton.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
I was so glad to see this article. They actually discuss what to do if they are given a command they disagree with. I so hope the military can help us avoid Iran.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
Well yeah. Everything that’s been going on is against what was drilled into their heads with the UCMJ. The problem is the public spokesmen are the ones that disregard that training, and also the ones fired are those that would speak out on that decent. I’m glad it’s there, the problem is the military lifestyle doesn’t encourage dissent. It can’t have it to exist, and you volunteer to do so when you sign up. Only the generals can say otherwise and the ones that have? Have no say now in how the troops are treated because they’ve been retired or fired outright by our Dear Leader.
One large frustrating circle for them, for all i’m glad that someone’s letting us know that they DO disagree on their own involvement.
alias at 33 — It has been going on, before Shensecki actually. It’s just that no one was talking much about it publicly because this administration’s MO has always been and continues to be ruination of critics, even if the critics are correct. And media folks, by and large, understand that and, unfortunately, haven’t made that clear enough to the general public.
It’s the same in so many ways across the board in civil service and political appointment positions as well. There isn’t an incentive to speak the truth — only to speak whatever support need be spoken for a policy already pre-selected for you. Chilling…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
That is fascinating. I have questions for them: at what point does the prospect of war with Iran prompt these questions? If there is an order to use nukes, what should the generals do? If Fallon knows that the plan is to provoke and provoke until there is a Tonkin incident, should he go along with the program?
What is the proper role of our civilian leaders in the Congress? Instead of the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, should they have been voting for a binding amendment with no wiggle room that demanded that there be no military action against Iran without consent? (The Webb amendment has substantial wiggle in it.)
Health care for little people .
And I don’t mean children.
Of course, if you live in the gaseous bubble that Broderella does,
there’s no reason to consider
“ the liberal Democratic solution of “Medicare for all” or single-payer plans. “
Christy writes:
Except common sense is one of the most uncommon attributes that humans have.
And the current id10ts in charge don’t believe in science and empirical evidence of what works and all that. That requires thinking and believing in rational thoughts when we all know that the most important thing on earth is to have faith.
http://www.apple.com/
Nice tribute to the world-acclaimed Al Gore.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
It’s the military. Of course it rarely gets into the public discussion: the military is undemocratic in principle. More than anything the article should remind us of how much a thin reed we’re clinging to when we hope for dissent in the military. There was a lot of dissent in the Wehrmacht after 1942, too.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 34
Indeed. I can talk politcs at work, but i can’t be an activist without being fired. Because i’ve got the double binding aspect of working for a corporation, but the job itself has ties to the government regulations in pharmacy. With the DEA and the FDA and whatnot. God forbid i disagree with the policies of both sets of ‘bosses’.
No one’s safe really. It’s a question of how much you can take and still keep standing. I can’t absorb the total loss of my job, so i do the quiet bits of activism. It’s all i CAN do, but i do it. As are so many others.
Legal freewayblogging in Madison, WI:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..on-wi.html
Some places in the US actually permit free speech apparently…
Someone needs to do something about health care costs and coverage.
Someone needs to do something about energy conservation and greenhouse gases.
Someone needs to do something about deficits- budget and trade.
Someone needs to do something to change course in a war that’s dragging our country through the mud.
We are facing the limits of our democracy. It appears that it is becoming politically impossible to do what needs to be done.
brendan @ 30
Handy Link!
Was lucky enough to meet her when she came through Denver last week. She’s a great speaker and very committed to what the American Freedom Campaign are doing. Also good to see her posting on FDL. More, please.
From Juan Cole:
Sawt al-Iraq reports in Arabic that Abdul Aziz al-Hakim (leader of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq) returned to Baghdad from chemotherapy in Iran and was welcomed by a big crowd of admirers at his home.
His son, Ammar al-Hakim, who has been acting head of ISCI in his father’s absence, preached a sermon in which he pledged to work against enduring US bases in Iraq. (On December 4, 2006, Abdul Aziz al-Hakim stood next to Bush in the Rose Garden and asked for US troops to remain in Iraq, so this pronouncement seems to be the beginnings of a reversal). Al-Hakim also argued for forging ahead with a Shiite provincial confederation in the south. He argued for a complete return of sovereignty to Iraq, according to AFP.
You have to wonder whether the recent Iran-brokered pact between al-Hakim and Muqtada al-Sadr, plus the new ISCI / Sistani consensus on reining in the US military and ultimately pushing it out altogether are a sign of new Iranian and Iraqi Shiite strategizing about the future. It also seems to me that the constant US drumbeat against Iran may have alarmed the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, which is an Iranian client and which needs Iranian money and support to maintain its political position in Iraq. Iran is therefore working to position ISCI as anti-Occupation over the medium to long run, and as responsible and orderly (thus the pact with Sadr.)
I should have mentioned social security…
There are FIVE crucial issues for me:
The war
Deficits
Energy
Health Care
Social Security.
This morning on “This Week” the consensus seemed to be that the “honeymoon” with Hillary is way over.
I intend to vote for the Democratic presidential candidate who will remove our forces from Iraq and will put a priority on diplomacy. A candidate who will work tirelessly for peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. A candidate who views global warming as a critical issue. A candidate who is not a union buster. A candidate who is for putting resources into education, health care and infrastructure. A candidate who will seek justice and accountability. And a candidate who cares about kids. Especially about the ones who are sick and those that are from not good family situations.
Kathleen @ 46
With the bobbleheads, or the electorate?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
Kucinich, then.
We are waiting for John Dean in this house.
rwcole @ 45
You forgot restoration of government under the Constitution.
PeteCO @ 49
Kucinich is the only one who says anything that resembles what you describe. Now, is a vote for Dark Horse Kucinich in the primary a vote for Hillary?
If that’s the case, then I’m voting for Edwards. I like Edwards so much more than Hillary. Plus, Edwards can and would beat the Thug candidate in a landslide.
brendan at 39 — Well…yeah. But my point, which I clearly didn’t make clear there, was that this sort of back-channel discussion was going on at a level that a lot of people knew about the fears and the unhappiness. THAT didn’t make it into the public discussion though until much, much later…as in when Murtha started fronting it out over and above what Shensecki said in his Congressional testimony.
It has been common knowledge in the Beltway, but the questions that ought to have been asked as a result of that knowledge were not asked. And THAT is a whole set of questions worth asking — the why of that is a whole set of questions and answers I’d love to know, not that any of us will ever get the whole story on it.
PeteCO @ 48
are they (some) one and the same?
Kathleen @ 54
Not from where I’m standing.
There is a significant David Sanger article on the mysterious Israeli bombing in Syria in the NYT today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..u67rTNm9sQ
David Ehrenstein @ 23
I can’t imagine why the Head of the County Republican Party would shelter a runaway from a juvenile detention center for a week (before being caught).
Jeeze, can you imagine the poor kid’s parents wondering if he had been picked up by some PERVERT!
Oh…HE WAS!
Rippin’ post, Christy. I don’t know how you get through the day’s news, process it, and write a cogent post about it in such a short amount of time.
Is this the Ultimate Sin that keeps goopers awake at night? This is worse than sacrificing troops and kids lives?
Don’t answer that. I know the answer, but to come right out and say it. Wow, just wow. They truly are stark raving mad with power.
A future star of the GOP? Bold mine.
Vatican Offical Insists He’s Not Gay
Millineryman @ 59
He’s not gay. He just has a wide stance.
Millineryman @ 59
The new gay code: “I’m not gay!”
Kathleen @ 54
Russert’s Saturday show included a reference to the Yepsen column in the DM Register this week:
Of course, Big Tim misquoted it, but he got the gist. The honeymoon was over on that show too.
It’s not a bad thing. Maybe she is the best candidate, but how we’re supposed to know that from her campaign, I don’t know.
And speaking of health insurance. Science marches on:
Progress Cited in Developing Alzheimer’s Diagnosis
Of course, without effective treatment, can you say “Preexisting Condition”?
And, with an effective but expensive treatment, can you say “Preexisting Condition”?
But, I’m sure the marketplace will sort things out.
Loo Hoo. @ 32
Here is an interesting Section of the Espionage Act of 1917
Section 3
Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall wilfully make or convey FALSE reports or FALSE statements with intent to interfere with the OPERATION or SUCCESS of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies and whoever when the United States is at war… to the injury of the service or of the United States, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both.”
It would seem to my mind that falsely indicating that levels of troops were adequate for an inavasion and occupation, when in fact the numbers needed were vastly greater than possible without several years of a draft and training of those inductees…would cause “injury” to the service of the United States. It was a politically contrived, but militarily incompetant, strategy.
sort of OT
My doorbell rang recently. It was two young men asking me if I would like to hear about Obama’s campaign. I was very pleasantly surprised. They didn’t even look old enough to vote (I know I’m getting old, but still…)
I was so gratified to see young people involved. In all the time I’ve been voting, my doorbell has never been rung by campaigners!
cool.
Susan in Iowa @ 35
how about a major or a colonel or a brigadier letting Waxman or some other reliable in Congress know.
It is then up to Congress to ask the questions, tout de suite.
AP – As the chief federal trial judge in Manhattan, Michael Mukasey approved secret warrants allowing government roundups of Muslims in the days after the Sept. 11 attacks.
A fellow Democrat on the committee, New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, said he supports Mukasey but disagrees with some of his positions on terrorist detentions.
“We may have some disagreement on what that structure should be. But he will not try to unilaterally expropriate all of the lawmaking to the executive branch. The point is that it’s done with open debate, and Congress has to pass it,” Schumer said Friday.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
There’s a reason we all know Shinseki’s name, (why we already knew it in 2003) and why Rumsfeld was reviled for years before he was removed. The particulars weren’t known, as you say, but we did already know from virtually the beginning that the opposition was there at high levels.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
“Only Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, the Army chief of staff who was sidelined after he told Congress that it would take several hundred thousand troops in Iraq, spoke up in public.”
General Shinseki was made an example of and the message was loud and clear; truth from the ranks will not be tolerated by the politicians in charge. Rummys knew that the volunteer military wasn’t large enough to invade and occupy Afghanistan and Iraq for an indefinite period of time. He unilaterally tookover the National Guard for his pre-emptive invasion and the creation of private mercenary
contractorsarmies to control the natural reserves and opium production of two countries. This administration was unconcerned nor interested with the language and customs barrier since their intent was to demand compliance via Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, extradition, and if necessary, eradication.Cheney was not about to make the same mistake of the Johnson and Nixon eras when the Vietnam draft was instituted. The educated middle-class do not make good compliant soldiers.
I’d like to know John Dean’s impressions and thoughts on Mr. Mukasey.
The Frank Rich piece, The “Good Germans” Among Us bears sharing again, thanks
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..mp;ei=5087
OKK at 70 — Me, too. If Mr Dean has any familiarity with him, that would be a great question to ask.
Christy,
Thanks so much for the WaPo link….although the article was alternately grievously sad and simply infuriating.
I was particularly incensed to read that VA
mileage reimbursement for veterans continue to be at 1977 levels. (and this coming on the heels of their having consolidated to many fewer treatment centers!)
Let’s all watch to see who in Congress addresses this travesty.
the article also highlights Marine LT. GEN. Gregory Newbold and Maj. Gen. Army Paul D. Eaton who spoke out.
the NYT on line doesnt have it but the print edition does.
Newbold was director of operations for Jt Chiefs, he objected to the small invasion force…to no avail.
Eaton is also retired after calling for Rummy to step down. He “had trouble training the Iraqi military in 2003.”
Vincente Fox explains to Bill Maher why he refers to George Bush as a “windshielf cowboy.” It starts around 2:00. Fox discloses that Dubya is afraid of horses. It really is hilarious.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
I first read this as:
But he will not try to unilaterally expropriate all of the lawbreaking to the executive branch.
do-si-do @ 65
So, did you invite them in for milk and cookies and listen to their spiel? Were they correct in what they said, knowledgeable, informative, and generally good representatives?
brain trust huh? that phrase has now lost all meaning, LOL
Kinda OT, but it’s in the category of “things that are pissing me off today” so it fits:
Coultergeist’s vile comments about perfecting jews and fed exing the message sounded familiar. She stole it from the show “Saving Grace” on TNT. Not a bad show, btw.
In the pilot, Earl the angel is trying to convince Holly Hunter’s character that he’s real, so he transports her to the Grand Canyon. Earl pulls her close to him and wraps his huge angel wings around her and she’s awestruck. Earl smiles and says “Amazing isn’t it? That’s the power of faith. I’m just fed exing the message.”
We’ve always known Coultergeist was a fraud, and now we know she’s completely unoriginal.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
Not all of it. Just the parts that the traitors to the Unitary Executive Theory in Congress can’t be permitted to know about on account of the terrism.
Nice to see that Schumer has so much confidence in this righty tighty. Teh Bailey’s are surely f*cked.
Wordsmith @ 75
Vicente Fox lost me on The Daily Show when he sneered at the “populism” of “indigenous” Evo Morales in a fashion that indicates where his own loyalties lie: Coca-cola and all the other transnationals, not the people.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 70
It seems today might be the perfect time to ask him.
Christy: You were collecting eyewitness accounts of presidential candidates’ appearances?
I thought this was an interesting one on Obama: Organizer as candidate
Millineryman @ 59
“To gather information”???? Does the Catholic Church have an intelligence service that can identify who runs websites and email addresses? A worldwide enforcement operation? That targets HOMOSEXUALS???
Or do they simply find out who these folks are and report them to local authorities where the laws prosecute gays and lesbians…sometimes with execution?
And why wouldn’t the Pope and Cardinals know about the Monsignor’s little operation. I guess he was freelancing!
He was simply trying to prevent “those who damage the image of the Church with homosexual activity”.
Well that worked really well….didn’t it!
Jane at 73 — The list of things that ought to be considered important in helping these folks is painfully absent in that article. Common sense sorts of things like help with bills for the family or some better system for mileage and cost reimbursement or hospice care for the spouses so they could get a little relief and…well, it just goes on and on. And because it isn’t being talked about on a national scale at the moment, there is a little bit of community intervention and help via local churches or vet groups or family/friends and/or base groups that try to band together with locals to help out where they can.
But for reservists or national guard folks, those base resources are almost nonexistent unless they live near enough to one to use them. It’s so frustrating to see on an individual level — and I can only imagine what it looks like at a national one. WV has a very high per capita rate of service in the military, so maybe we see it up close and personal so much more as a result. But so many of these families are hurting…both during deployments and after folks get home. The fact that we aren’t asking nationally for people to help them more is disgraceful.
RockPaperScizzors @ 69
Uh, if I’m not mistaken, there was a draft pretty much continuously from WWII through Korea and Vietnam when it was ended during the Nixon years. It was not put in place strictly for Vietnam.
cinnamonape @ 64
Lots of people fall under this definition of espionage. Judy Miller, Bob Novak, John Bolton (clearly remember Senators Kerry, Biden, Kennedy, Licoln Chaffee demanding those NSA intercepts during the John Bolton nomination hearings. Was Bolton spying on Colin Powell and interfering with negotiations with other countries?
Wow cinnamonape at 64! If war crimes aren’t enough, there’s the espionage act of 1917!
dexx at 78 — Yes, note the use of quotes with the term. *g*
Ann in AZ @ 77
Oh, the follow up question I’ve been dreading…*g*
No, sort of because I didn’t want to take up their time (I’m for Edwards) and also, my rovian alert system took over. After I shut the door I realized too late that it would have been OK to talk with them, they were not wearing ties or lapel pins. darn.
TeddySanFran @ 81
I’m not saying my sympathies or much else lies with Vincente Fox. In this bit, he adequately portrays Bush for what he is – a coward and a bullshiter.
Wordsmith — Do you remember the Will Farrell spoof (YouTube) of Bush during the 2004 election? Hilarious — and includes a bit about being freaked out by horses.
Susan in Iowa @ 62
Worth a read:
Hillary Clinton: Bubble Woman!
by eriposte
There’s sooooo much fun to be had shining light on all the extremely incisive analyses on the left-leaning internets of Sen. Clinton’s warmongering, back-stabbing nature, her unprincipled, ruthless and naked ambition, and all around undying support for George Bush, evil corporations and the GOP. (I know, I left out the “she’s nothing but a communoislamofascist socialist” bit, but that’s mostly the incisive criticism from the Right.
(snip)
Left Coast
TheOtherWA @ 79
Geist Definition: spirit, spirituality; also, intellectual inclination, intelligence.
Coutlerscheisse would be the correct moniker
TeddySanFran @ 81
Me too, Teddy. Fox is a Mexican Republican. He hid neither his contempt for Morales nor his pick yourself up by the bootstraps methodology. IOW, Fox is an a*shole – not the same caliber as Dubya, but who can be that bad?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
What Congress needs to do to evaluate his fitness is to examine the applications for those warrants and see if the information within them was credible and sufficient to warrant the isssuing of a secret warrant for long-term detention of a “witness”. If there was insufficient evidence that these people were actually knowledgeable of terrorist activities, and withholding it from investigators, and likely to flee the country in a manner that the Feds couldn’t prevent…then Mukasey should be denied confirmation.
If the Government lied about the evidence to the Judge, well then he should be questioned as to why he didn’t raise this issue of perjury and false imprisonment to an Independent Prosecutor.
Congress needs to get at the bottom of why these people were allowed to be imprisoned for months by these warrants and eventually released, without ever having to give testimony to a Grand Jury or in a trial!
We see that here too. Decent people in the community stepping up to help where the government has utterly failed.
I see ads in the paper for free oil changes or other free services for anyone in the military or their families. And you know these aren’t wealthy businesses that are offering to help. Just ordinary folks who are trying to reach out in some small way.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 85
That article is painful to read, and infuriating. One of Richardson’s proposals that I really like is creating a health card that they can use to get care anywhere instead of driving long distances. One of my neighbors has a three-hour drive to Iowa City for his heart condition. With Richardson’ card he could go to a local hospital and/or see his own doctor.
Biden just says, I warn you, if we have ten dollars to spend and adequate veterans’ care costs $7, I’m spending the seven before we buy any of these other items. Everyone applauds, and he says, people applaud this now, but it is going to be very expensive, and five years from now it may not be so popular when there are a lot of other competeing priorities.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 92
Many people are. I watched a video of that hunky IVAV vet, Aaron and a woman putting up fliers and a police officer on a horse using the horse as a ‘ram.’ People move thinking the horse will run over them. Generally speaking, horses won’t. They tend to move around objects. Now – cows – totally stupid, will run over everything. The benefits of being raised on a farm.
See, I wouldn’t have moved. I would’ve put my hand on the horse’s chest and talked to it for however long it was in front. Might sound crazy, but the police count on people’s ignorance.
Off to check out Will Farrell – back for John Dean.
peanutbutter @ 83
That is interesting. Is he still leading in small-donor contributions?
OT – Woohoo, I thought I missed the John Dean Salon and the time I was thinking was Pacific!
Two good prep clips for John Dean’s book salon:
short video on the Authoritarian mind.
Audio of John Dean at the Commonwealth Club of California, earlier this month.
Does anyone know where a clip of the video of Dean’s smackdown of Lindsay Graham on March 31 of last year might reside?
RPS, it’s a play on words. Poultergeist rhymes with Coultergeist. That’s where it comes from.
Blender @ 20
You’d get em all from me, even the pony if I had one to give!
A “Condeee” is the new cattish term in my house for a statement of such extreme hypocrisy, immorality, disdain and hubris that it insults the listener’s intelligence, fundamental decency and ethics. In Sunday terminology, a hell burning offense *g*.
OT..A thought from Howie Klein…
(snip)
Do the Democrats have the wrong leadership in the House? Hoyer and Emanuel are as bad as the Republicans but Nancy Pelosi? Did you think she was “one of us?” I need to reflect on that a little more. “Impeachment off the table”, apparently, isn’t just an isolated instance of Pelosi’s Good Gemanhood.
(snip)
DWT
cinnamonape @ 96
I think Chuck Schumer and Pat Leahy plan a forward-looking confirmation hearing for the new Attorney General. Your suggestions sound like wallowing in the past, hardly a good use of the esteemed Senators’ time.
/s
OT – For those who missed Jane’s poll yesterday, there is an unofficial Triple Poll that addresses some of the issues brought up in the comments.
The results are on a free service with annoying advertisements and audio, so please forgive the inconvenience. It does have a pretty bar chart that makes it easy to read. The poll is still open if you want to add your votes.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 85
Eloquently said, as usual. I am seeing the same thing here in NC where I am visiting family. A HS friend (Viet vet), who does odd jobs for locals, has to drive 270 mi. round trip for his care. And don’t get me started on what he sees when gets there.
The mileage reimbursement I found particularly egregious because it seems like such a F*** you to veterans and their families…and a complete nonstarter/disincentive to seeking care.
Elizabeth Edwards is the only one I hear/see mouthing the words “military families” with any consistency/passion. She probably saw enough growing up to realize that our gratitude for their sacrifices has not translated adequately into action…whether for the Vietnam War or this one.
Forgot the linkTriple Poll
Ed*ard Teller @ 102
Oh wow, smackdown of Lindsay Graham? Great! by John Dean? Heaven!!!
I’m off to look for it.
Steve AR, I described what I saw in New Hampton in the previous thread. What Taylor and Eriposte saw was a heavily-edited video that I do not think provides a fair or complete view of the New Hampton event. Following that event, HRC took no questions at all at the next four, according to the NYT. I’m not defending the MSM. I am simply saying what my perceptions are.
Sorry I’m such a scatter brain. I was trying to sneak this in before John Dean’s arrival
Triple Poll
Results
egregious @ 76
This is the way kiddo and I see it.
lahoma
I’ll bet John Dean is upstairs now. Here’s what I found on JD’s wiki listing:
Steve AR, I described what I saw in New Hampton in the previous thread. What Taylor and Eriposte saw was a heavily-edited video that I do not think provides a fair or complete view of the New Hampton event. Following that event, HRC took no questions at all at the next four, according to the NYT. I’m not defending the MSM. I am simply saying what my perceptions are.
I watched the movie ‘The Wind that Shakes the Barley’ last night. It’s one of those few movies that reminds me of what’s happening in Iraq although this is totally about Ireland’s push for ‘freedom.’ It’s a good demonstration of an occupying force terrorizing and belittling the local population. It’s also one of a handful of movies in which I just burst out crying. Gotta be that Irish/Norwegian heritage sneaking thru.
do-si-do @ 90
In truth, I probably would have done the same. Funny how we all seem to get accustomed to not allowing people doing door to door promotion into our living rooms, unless of course they come with a vacuum cleaner/carpet shampooer and promise to one room if we allow them to demonstrate.
And there were others that told Bush that it wouldn’t work. According to Command Sgt. Major Eric Haney, co-founder of the elite Delta Force….even Gen. Tommy Franks was amongst those “browbeaten” and forced to swallow an unacceptable strategic plan. Then he was forced to resign for continuing to privately oppose the strategy.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0324.html
Haney says that the invasion was wrong from the get-go…starting with the motives and “public rationales”. It simply got worse from there.
do-si-do @ 90
In truth, I probably would have done the same. Funny how we all seem to get accustomed to not allowing people doing door to door promotion into our living rooms, unless of course they come with a vacuum cleaner/carpet shampooer and promise to one room if we allow them to demonstrate.
boohoo..
the new thread is not working..
404
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
Christy,
If you want to dip into the tin foil hat brigade, take a look at our own Al the Spook’s Ratiocinations, particularly this entry:
“The Strange Case Of The Vanishing United States Attack On Iran– Or Why Admiral Fallon Isn’t On George W. Bush’s Christmas Card List Anymore”
If the Spook is right, there has been quite a struggle going on within the command structure, mainly against Cheney and the neo-cons.
Bob in HI
Toby at 120 — Give it a sec. Likely a hiccup that is getting fixed.
dakine01 @ 86
December 1, 1969 marked the date of the first draft lottery held since 1942. The difference with the Vietnam generation was the GI Bill. Instituted during WWII, was responsible for funding the educations of three Supreme Court Justices, three presidents, twenty-four Pulitzer prize winners, fourteen Nobel Prize winners, and millions of other professionals who have served our society for generations. The G.I. Bill has been credited with making the American dream possible for more Americans than any other program ever. Many of the children of the WWII and Korean generation were educated and affluent comparatively so to their parents and grandparents. Education was the catalyst in the dissent of the radical 60’s generation movement, IMHO.
The co-founder of the Delta Force asserts that even Ge. Franks opposed the invasion from the get-go, and was fired for his private opposition.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0324.html
Sorry for the double post. Something odd is going on, software-wise. Mod, pls delete.
Susan in Iowa @ 125
Ditto on Mr. Dean’s Salon upstairs – I can’t leave a comment – it doesn’t behave “live.”
Christy -
The first You Tube offering is about global warming is one I have seen before. Now this offering is hilarious with Will Ferrell(Dubya) not liking the props – the horses in the background pasture.
RockPaperScizzors @ 123
It was the first draft lottery since WWII, but the draft itself had been in place all along. the lottery was put in place to stop a lot of the pseudo deferments (such as Mr Cheney used) and to even the field across the various classes.
Neither the home page nor the John Dean chat-post appear to be behaving correctly: the home page shows only the Dean chat with the left & right columns strewn beneath it, and no previous posts. The Book Salon thread itself also shows the columns under the chat, with a non-live comment box between them.
Probably the tech folks know all this; I thought a report from outside might provide an assist. Mac-X/Safari here.
Improvement! I’m no longer getting the little yellow “error” sign in the corner of my browser. Still can’t post though. :P
testing
Thanks for the reminder,Teddy. I’m on IE6
Folks — anyone who is having issues with the new John Dean thread, apparently it is some sort of IE problem. I just switched to Firefox from using IE and am having no problems either reading or commenting. Might be worth switching until our tech folks can find the bug issues. Sorry for the inconvenience…
Maybe it gets harder to fix the error when all of those who showed up for this are madly refreshing/reloading trying to get the page.
Well, Dang! I haven’t loaded another browser onto the new machine yet. :P
Guess that’ll teach me.
dakine01 @ 128
I think the main point has been obscured with the discursion of the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940. Yes, the lottery draft existed but hadn’t been enforced since 1942. The point still is, imho, is that Cheney was not about to make the same mistake of the Johnson and Nixon Vietnam disaster of drafting an educated middle-class. They do not make good compliant soldiers.
Well, I submitted my comment on the BookSalon thread, but otherwise it is behaving as I reported earlier.
Every time there’s a little technical problem like this on a left leaning blog, in the back of my mind I’m thinking some republican scum has come up with a way to sabotage the discussion. I know, I know. paranoia. But you know what they say: Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean someone’s not out to get you. *g*
I did the same, Teddy, thinking it might self correct. But I’m stuck outside the party with my IE. Apparantly, it’s not friendly to your browser either.
ADM @ 138
Given our past experiences, I wouldn’t count it outside the realm of possibilities even though it hadn’t occurred to me to think that until you mentioned it. Paranoia is contagious. ;)
Ok. I emptied my cache. It’s still broken. Going to reboot and see what happens.
CU Later.
Audrey — Rebotting will not help. It’s an IE problem. You have to switch to another browser — e.g. Firefox — until the glitch is fixed.
RockPaperScizzors @ 136
The Lottery was instituted PRECISELY to bring the educated middle class person into the military rather than have them use all the deferments which existed such as student and married.
The draft itself was designed to bring all folks into the service. The lottery was instituted to remove the middle class/upper class excuses for avoiding the service. When all the excuses were removed, the draft was ended because the middle class was being drafted.
Or were you not aware that Elvis (among many other individuals) was drafted into the army and served for two years? And the GI Bill continued from WWII through Korea and through the Vietnam era in much the same form. It was not modified significantly until after the Vietnam war ended.
Draftees served for two years in the Army or Marines while those who enlisted in the Army or Marines served at least three years. Navy and AF did not use draftees as they filled their needs with enlistees (for four years) who didn’t want to deal with the Army or Marines.
Reporting again: logged off, restarted, got correct-looking FDL homepage, clicked on “rest of this entry” on the Book Salon, then got a truncated Book Salon with no comments and strewn columns as previously. Clicked on FDL “home,” and then got truncated homepage with only BookSalon and strewn right/left columns. Hit my “back” button twice, got the correct-looking FDL homepage, clicked on “59 comments” and got the truncated BookSalon again.
Hope this helps.
Again, folks — it is a glitch with the interface between IE and WordPress. We are working on it.
If you will switch to FireFox or some other browser, you can read and comment easily. Just FYI…
Soon as things are fixed, we’ll let you know. But if you are using IE, you will continue to have problems until we can pinpoint the glitch and fix it. The fastest way to get to the comments in the Dean thread is to switch to Firefox (which is working fine for me now that I switched from IE).
Mac-X/Safari here fyi.
Teddy — it looks like safari is having a problem with the interface, too. No idea if this is due to a WordPress update or something that was tweaked with our servers or what. But we’re working on it…and, inthe meantime, Firefox does seem to be working fine, fwiw.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 142
Don’t have one. Sorry–my bad. New computer. Teddy can’t get it on Safari either.
On dialup. Salon would be over by the time I get it downloaded (doing so now) and installed. Just hope it gets fixed before then. Meanwhile, I’ll wait here, I guess.
38 minutes remaining on Firefox download, on DSL; if anyone else needs it I guess this is the place.
1 hour and 29 minutes left on dialup Teddy.
Heard any good jokes lately. (sniff, sniff) ;)
John Dean book club open above
Too scared to take the zed
triciawrites @ 152
Bad link:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..hn-dean-2/
Thanks.
Hah. Just got a corrupt file from Firefox. Figures.
For folks who have been having difficulty getting to the John Dean Book Salon….you might try again. It looks like both Safari and IE are happier now.
I just got Safari to work…
RockPaperScizzors @ 123
Yes, the LOTTERY was re-instituted in 1969. But there were many young men that were INDUCTED by a non-random selection method by their draft boards PRIOR to 1969 in Vietnam, as well as in the Vietnam War.
Remeber that Elvis Presley was drafted in the “peacetime” interim between the Korean and Vietnam Wars. The spoof “Bye Bye Birdie” was based on this event. Willie Mays was drafted after WWII. James Garner (Maverick, The Rockford Files) was drafted and served during the Korean War, as did the authors of the films M.A.S.H. (Dr. Richard Hornberger a.k.a. Hooker) and “Deliverance” (James Dickey). Most of the 38,000 US troops that died in Korea were inductees…not enlisted men.