Jillian and Digby both find examples of right-wing metaphorical “spitting on the troops” that seem to be more omnipresent as the days go by. These soldiers just do not live up to the image of a “new Sparta” that wingnuts grow misty-eyed fantasizing about, and their disappointment tends to manifest itself in screeds like this:
The liberal mindset is what causes PTSD. Boys being raised to men without a strong male role model, and having a false sense of what life is about is causing our young men to go to war and come home freaked out.
Yes, people do come back from war “freaked out”:
Officials say as much as 20 percent of troops are returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with stress symptoms or brain injury. The Pentagon has been working for some time to end the stigma of seeking psychological counseling.
A process I am certain that is aided in no small part by a bunch of keyboard commandos challenging the manliness of those who do seek help.
But I suspect that’s not really what put a bug up the proverbial wingnut ass, I imagine this is more the genus of “freaked out” that has the mouth breathers…well, “freaked out”:
Until recently, veterans remained relatively quiescent on the nastier politics of the war on terrorism. But the fifth year of the Iraq war has brought not only a surge of American soldiers to Iraq, but a surge of Iraq veterans to Washington: For the Webb vote, 40 VoteVets members and 250 VFFers descended on Capitol Hill. There were so many vets walking around last week that you could have mistaken the hallways of the House and Senate Office Buildings for Camp Pendleton.
Or this:
In one of his first major public speeches since leaving the Army in late 2006, retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez blamed the administration for a “catastrophically flawed, unrealistically optimistic war plan” and denounced the current “surge” strategy as a “desperate” move that will not achieve long-term stability.
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“There was been a glaring and unfortunate display of incompetent strategic leadership within our national leaders,” he said, adding later in his remarks that civilian officials have been “derelict in their duties” and guilty of a “lust for power.”
It’s a bit hard to make Sanchez out to be a DFH — he is, after all, the guy who ordered those in his command at Abu Ghraib to “go to the outer limits to get information from the detainees by people who wanted the information.” He referred to the ACLU as “a bunch of sensationalist liars, I mean lawyers, that will distort any and all information that they get to draw attention to their positions.” (Which makes his recent speech all the more amusing, where he whines about journalists who call him a “liar” when “I have never even met you,” then goes on to defend poor Michael Brown.)
Though his pro-torture, anti-media bona fides should make him a member in good standing of the lizard brain elite, the poor judgment he shows in criticizing Fearless Leader’s flawless handling of the Iraqi infidel incident will no doubt bar him from future entry.
He’s probably just stressed out because his mom went braless in the 60s or something.
Well get that spit shield up, General. He who who picks his face, sucks down Mountain Dew and hath no pity for injured 12 year-olds shall give no quarter to you.
Such is life in The New Sparta.



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Off to go hump my hard drive!
Yea Ms. Hamsher!
Jane!!!
Jane (nyc) @ 2
Hi Jane!
The liberal mindset is what causes PTSD. Boys being raised to men without a strong male role model, and having a false sense of what life is about is causing our young men to go to war and come home freaked out.
That’s why all those WWI Germans had it. ‘Cause of the liberals. Hitler came home freaked out because of evil Democrat Woodrow Wilson. Yep. Hitler was the Democrat’s fault!
Imagine if Petraeus had a cackle.
Great rant Jane. You have a way with words here at the lake.
Sanchez was no alter boy eh?
There was an anti war rally here yesterday and there was a nice “kid” who had served as a grunt in Iraq who spoke. His main point was “if you send me to die it better be neccessary and this crap isn’t”. I spoke to him for a moment after. We talked about his outfit and a little about his tour (his medic was with him too). I didn’t want to over do it so I just told him I appreciated what he was doing and that I knew it wasn’t easy.
Yup. After every war men came home changed, shell shocked, whatever you call it. All because of a lack of male role models. It has nothing to do with death and destruction, don’t be silly!
Seeing your buddies blown up, picking up their body parts, being stuck in the middle of a civil war and not knowing who the enemy is? Child’s play!
To quote Atrios, “the stupid, it burns!”
cleter @ 5
They’re right, you know. We should be exposing our children to snuff films from an early age to get them good and desensitized to the violence and brutality that they will be exposed to as they fulfill their ultimate destiny as obedient tools of the state. Thank God for the right wing, for showing us the True Path once again!
Some people look at life and think it’s all about “Me”
Others look at life and know it’s all about us
It’s hard out here for a peacenic.
I kind of thought PTSD was caused by being shot at and stuff. I had no idea I was causing it right now, just by sitting here being liberal. Who knew?
fantasizing about living in all male barracks from age five to thirty-three, no fraternization with women..a Rethug’s dream come true.
I’m not delighted to have Sanchez on our side — he has a lot to answer for, in my view — but we are getting much closer to actually having officers serving in Iraq call the civilian leadership out for the Charlie-Foxtrot they’ve caused.
There is no victory, there is only ignominy. Have we reached the point where a rebellion by the military is to be wished for? Certainly if orders are given for Iran, yes.
I’m certainly glad the Chickenhawk Keyboard Kommandos had such strong Male role models growing up…!!! ;-)
moeman @ 6
But but…he has all those medals.
Haven’t heard anything else about the assertion that maybe he’s wearing a couple he shouldn’t.
That there’s apparently been no investigation of the issue is kind of hard to swallow after the way “they” went after Clinton’s Chief of Naval Operations.
But hey, we’re at war now and Adm. Boorda wasn’t one of their boys. (Plus he vigorously investigated the “Tailhook” debacle.)
SPA-AA-RTA!!!
I guess the nuts didn’t watch the recent Burns piece, one of whose main themes was the moral and psychological burdens the fighters acquired. Frankly, I don’t see how anyone could think otherwise, and I’m not even a pacifist, technically anyway.
Some folks idea of what people are is itself pathological.
The liberal mindset is what causes PTSD. Boys being raised to men without a strong male role model, and having a false sense of what life is about is causing our young men to go to war and come home freaked out.
What kind of a moron would say something like this? Does he or she know anything about the psychological trauma suffered by many soldiers in WWII, especially the ones held in German prison camps?
TeddySanFran @ 15
I’m sure Darth is receiving beaucoup blow back from the Army and the Marines for his Iranian Pipe Dream…!!!
Shorter Wingnuts’ PTSD: “Doc, can’t ya remove the hard drive without cuttin’ it off?”
My father worked with a man who survived the Bataan Death March. The rest of his life his cellar was overstocked with canned foods and he never ever left a bite of food on his plate.
And he was a real man, but he was never the same.
As soon as I read Sanchez’ comments this morning, I figured the 82nd Chairbourne and 101st Fighting Keyboardists would be looking to at ways to SwiftBoat him.
How long before you think before one of them suggests he’s not a true ‘Merican with a name like Sanchez?
Elliott @ 11
I like this.
Brilliant. Kickass.
It’s hard to stay alive, or give a fuck. Then there’s Jane.
brownandserve @ 24
They’ll use anything theycan think of.
Jane – please forgive the OT – this was EPU’d below, and I have been trying to post in a timely way, but keep missing it -
My comment about Hillary – I will vote for her if she is our candidate. But when evaluating people, I try to listen to both my head and my gut. I read her biography, I wanted to like her, even though she did not support Lamont – but the more I read what she says and see her, the more my gut sends me messages. Her laugh is manufactured (to say nothing of grating). If it was a calculated thing to put down her questioners – I am sorry – I prefer at least a laugh to be genuine, even when you might be triangulating!
Regarding the news about Tutu mentioned below – I wrote about this a couple of days ago. I also saw there was a third thread on FDL about this, but got home too late to comment. The faculty is still not happy about the president’s reversal (no explicit apology to Tutu) and are still working on a fight against the removal of the professor from her position as chair of the Peace and Justice dept. There is an email group of a Progressive Caucus of faculty. I cannot report to you what is going on or what people are saying there – all i can tell you is that the issue is still alive. Thank you all for your caring and support.
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is the site having know issues or is just my browser?
Loo Hoo. @ 29
Abu Ghraib…!!! No Excuse…!!!
raven @ 8
Thanks raven
My observation is that Sanchez isn’t on “our side” but is pissed he got the boot for following orders and became the administrations’ scapegoat. Ultimately, they turn on each other. Within their accusation is an element of truth that emerges unwittingly. It just seeps out not out of conscience but out of vitriol.
What is that old expression, “There is no honor among thieves.” They will eat each others entrails.
tw3k @ 30
The front page is still broken under IE. Others have said that a different browser works fine.
CTuttle @ 21
Now if the rest of the country would fall in and start hammering on that Fourth Branch Dick… maybe we’d get our country back.
Mmmmm. Entrails.
QuakerGirl @ 33
I’ll tell you what, he’s as much on our side as Webb or Hillary.
Mad Dogs @ 34
safari appears to be borked too. thanks
Firefox on the Mac works fine.
Eli did such a fantastic post back in March that showed how trying to connect/converse with a right-winger was like trying to reach out to a Klingon.
He gave examples of Klingon/neocon culture, the absolute best of which was the sample of Klingon porn he provided.
So sorry guys–it’s a pre-existing condition
This administration’s policies regarding PTSD and combat-related suicide are consistent with their claims to support the troops while making budgetary decisions that endanger them. In the past six years, more than 22,500 soldiers, most diagnosed with PTSD or traumatic brain injury, have been dismissed from service with a diagnosis of “personality disorder,” which, considered a pre-existing condition, absolves the VA of all responsibility for their future care. Despite cries of foul from psychiatrists, veterans’ rights groups, injured soldiers and their families, and even the military officials required to process these dismissals, the practice continues and successful appeals are almost non-existent. “The Army Times” reports a backlog of some 600,000 veterans’ benefits claims on appeal. On average, it takes the VA 177 days to process an original claim and 657 days to process an appeal. If psychically injured veterans die with their case under appeal, the case dies with them.
22,000???
(((((((Jane!)))))))
That’s a lyrical post!
Those poor Goopers can’t tolerate facts contrary to their superiority myths – it triggers their ‘exagerated startle’ responses – but, hey!, they don’t have any ‘PTSD’ issues, no siree!
I don’t know who wrote this, but I guarantee you, they’ve never been to war.
Millineryman @ 39
Firefox on PC works too… I though it was too many people trying to access the John Dean thread vs a specific browser.
The WordPress applications should be written non-browser specific but found that is not true at times for specific web pages. Like to hear from the techs on it, was it traffic vs browser specific applications.
brownandserve @ 24
As soon as I read about Troy Turner in the WaPo this morning, I knew they’d start to swiftboat him too. The wingnut tribe has no heart or clue. They’ll never hit bottom because they’re always willing to sink lower so they can cling to their fantasies.
tw3k @ 38
Some time ago, I was told here that Firefox was the friendliest browser for FDL – and so I downloaded it and have used it ever since with no problems, FWIW.
isn’t the Marine Corps so frustrated with Iraq that their generals are beggin’ shrub to let ‘em send their men to fight in Afghanistan? .. which kinda sounds like the convict thrown into the sweatbox who begs to be returned to his chain gang
Millineryman @ 39
* gropes around for that dam copy of camino *
bah, I stick to my cup of java fro now.
Thanks tho!
O/T — I can’t get the comments on the John Dean post. Is it me or are they gone?
I have IE on a PC.
Hello Jane –
Can you imagine how the Nuremberg Trials would have played out if the Germans had been responsible for bringing themselves to justice?
You know when all the crap stops hitting the fan and when it’s universally accepted that this presidency is the worst thing to happen to this country since the civil war, Dubya’s going to blame it on everyone else….
I’m with Frank Rich. Why isn’t there a giant anti-war protest all across this country?
Our humanity has been compromised by those who use Gestapo tactics in our war. The longer we stand idly by while they do so, the more we resemble those “good Germans” who professed ignorance of their own Gestapo. It’s up to us to wake up our somnambulant Congress to challenge administration policy every day. Let the war’s last supporters filibuster all night if they want to. There is nothing left to lose except whatever remains of our country’s good name.
solai @ 43
Liberal strong role models, men like Vitter, Craig, Allen….
Nate @ 40
no longer available :’(
bellesouth @ 49
I hear they might work in firefox!
ccmask I read this the other day. This is a fucking disgrace. I wonder if all the folks with the support the troops stickers give a rat’s ass about this?
bellesouth @ 49
Tis IE and not just you. Previous commenters say Firefox works just fine.
Mad Dogs @ 34
google firefox and download. I love it, and I have a Halloween theme! The back button is a witch on a broom, the refresh button is a jack-o-lantern…
Loo Hoo. @ 52
or the world!
Wilco – War on war (youtube)
Let me say that I’ve had a phrase running through my head to describe the present hard-core faction that is driving the Republican Party — “bat-shit crazy”. If I meet someone that says he has always tended to vote conservative, that’s not the same as what the GOP is devolving to. Reasonable people can disagree, but the voice of GOP now is the voice of the bat-shit crazies.
We will hear them say their bat-shit crazy world view is the right one, it’s just that Bush carried it out ineffectively (a “phony neocon”, perhaps). Now they are saying that the soldiers are sub-par in performing impossible or undefined tasks, and that the symptoms they show that are connected to their (God given?) humanity are somehow a result of a society that cannot accurately embrace their neocon template.
I’ve been predicting to myself the implosion of the GOP for some time now, but perhaps we shall see it soon (or not). Thank God for the Internet, we would all be on a different and more dangerous ride if it weren’t for instantaneous people’s medium.
In conclusion, I say: bat-shit crazy
Loo Hoo. @ 58
does the witch cackle? ;)
Nate @ 40
Oops… Link to klingon porn in Eli’s post is gone. Here’s what it used to link to. Klingon Porn
Here’s an even better, more to the point sampling I just found. :)
tw3k @ 59
There have been protests all over the world!! They just weren’t televised.
Loo Hoo. @ 52
Loo Hoo – You got that right. The responsibility falls on each of us. No one can say they didn’t know. If you are walking around this planet, you know. I am so grateful for the sound minds on this site.
aReader @ 61
It has to be BatShit Crazy! Otherwise they’d be mobbed and lynched!
John Dean’s back downstairs at FDL Book Salon Welcomes John Dean. IE still not working right but Firefox seems to be.
Suezboo in the last thread says that John Dean is back downstairs answering questions.
tw3k @ 62
LOL
Nate @ 64
lmao
“Blackwater says lawsuit ‘politically motivated’”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..xzy3sE1vAI
Yeah.. Prince Erik, my guess is that 17 dead relatives, murdered by your thugs, is sufficient political motivation for most people. Arsehat.
tw3k @ 59
Ahh, I have this thread all to myself. Everybody ran downstairs. Teehee:D
ccmask @ 41
Ain’t this Maladministration grand??? The A-holes are penny-wise and pound-foolish… Screw the troops any which way they can… to enrich their Have-More base…!!! 8-(
tw3k @ 71
My reaction to it as well… That movie had a fetish to satisfy any modern day neocon’s needs.
Organizing a general strike requires some sort of organizer. The net can get the word out but someone or group… maybe MoveOn has to take the conch and lead this strike.
The left is / seems to be so disjointed and only loosely connected by their political and ethical beliefs. To function in an organized way there needs to be a structure. Unions hare pretty split up, but there are some large ones who could do it.
Why can’t the left organizing a “working group” for such things? Why are we so separated? Even in Italy the students and the unions can organize amazing actions. Why not here?
CTuttle @ 75
Their jobs have also been outsourced. Were these 22,000 active duty, I wonder? Or are they getting rid of older soldiers? Did they replace them with non-soldiers to keep the numbers in sync?
tw3k @ 62
hee hee hee. It’s enough to make your teeth curl!
well gen sanchez has just earned his smackdown on the faux news channel….he’s this week’s poster boy for coming clean on the iraqi war…oh boyyyyyy once again its on!!
QuakerGirl @ 50
A very good point there.
As far as a strike, the big part of the problem is the press we have. I can’t tell you how many people I meet who don’t have any clue what is going on. I mean, they are just completely and totally unaware.
SPARTANS!
TONIGHT WE DINE ON CHEETOS IN HELL!
Whoopie! FDL with IE now works again and all is well.
Front page is fine and so is the John Dean Salon, commenting and all!
SanderO @ 77
The immigrants sure organized nicely. And they didn’t, for the most part, even have the toobz.
Blub @ 72
He’s doing 60 Minutes tonight and Charlie Rose tomorrow night fwiw
LooHoo so what “our” problem with an action?
I think I’m going to use that line. “Repubs don’t support the troops, they spit on them.”
Facts to support that:
-Walter Reed Hospital
-Bush vetoes their pay-raise
-Giving them contaminated water to drink
-Extending their tours
-Denying them equal time home
-Letting their tours be one day short for benefits
-Rush doesn’t honor the service of dissenters
-Censoring their email
-Not allowing photos of returning coffins
-Ignoring mothers of dead soldier
Well, that’s a start.
Blub @ 72
lol, sad and true :(
Aren’t any of you going to join me to talk to John Dean on the previous thread? He’s there – we aren’t, as far as I can tell . . .
QuakerGirl @ 74
Ah it’s working again! Have on thread all to your self ;)
I think it was a combination of toobz, radio and probably church networking.
South of the border folks know how to protest.. they do it all of the time. Americans are both lazy and afraid, imo. And ccmask is also correct.. far to many here have no idea (or are in deep denial) what’s happening.
TheOtherWA @ 45
True enough. I think there are probably enough fair criticisms of Sanchez that there would be no need to sink to such a level but I’ve learned never to underestimate these wingnuts.
There is talk of a general strike on November 6. But that’s all….just some talk that maybe we shouKathieinMN @ 90
I didn’t know that…thanks
Jane, I think this is what the DOD will tell you they are doing but….
I think nothing could be further from what BushCo intends to do. Treating PTSD is really, really expensive and since those so afflicted are no longer capable of shooting the shit out of those who oppose Mr. Decider’s grand plan for the human race they will be….
Discarded.
The first half of that speech by Sanchez could have been written by the 101st Fighting Keyboard Commandoes. He whines about media bias, about having people he has never met draw conclusions about him, about the use of selective leaking, and about speculative/uninformed reporting . . . then proceeds to do every single one of these things as he goes after the assembly of reporters he is addressing.
And he doesn’t seem to be the slightest bit aware of what he’s doing.
Do you view Mukasey as an appropriate choice?
raven @ 37
Not much of a recommend, that.
not so fast, VG :)
KathieinMN @ 90
Kathie, he’s coming back to answer the questions that folks already asked — something above and beyond what is expected of Book Salon authors. By all means, show him your gratitude, but let the man answer the questions that are already on his plate.
Peterr @ 96
A very typical symptom of Kool-Aid poisoning.
ccmask @ 65
Considering the state of the MSM today, I now understand that phrase: “The revolution will not be televised.”
ChristianPinko @ 83
MOUNTAIN DEW! SPARTAAAA!!!
FYI, new post upstairs
Personally, I vigil with small groups so we don’t have to go through getting special permits, deal with public restrooms, parking, etc. It is major. There are some organizations out there who specialize in organizing large demonstrations. But small groups can gather in front of a federal building or wherever. There is one in San Francisco on Larkin in front of the Federal Building that gathers every Thursday at noon. Many join them. People on their lunch hour will ask if they can stand with us for a few minutes. Another gathers in San Mateo in the afternoon during rush hour. These people have been doing this since before we went into Afghanistan.
Thousands of small vigils that meet consistently are very effective without having to deal with organizing issues. I think this model fits Liberals well. Big is not always better. Consistency is powerful.
QuakerGirl @ 105
The Athens Women in Black have the: Vigil for Peace
Weekly Event , Weekly silent vigils for peace, every Tuesday from 5:00 to 6:00 pm.
Athens, GA USA
Jane “Such is life in the New Sparta”
Where white assed, yellow bellied, “sanctimonious pricks” send American’s who have decided to put their own asses on the line for their country into an unnecessary and immoral war.
Can Bush administration officials get any more criminally insane than this?
Well how about one million dead Iraqi people and 4 million Iraqi refugees as a direct result of this illegal war.
QuakerGirl @ 105
The Athens Women in Black have the: Vigil for Peace
Weekly Event , Weekly silent vigils for peace, every Tuesday from 5:00 to 6:00 pm.
Athens, GA USA
Here is their international schedule. WIB
Women in Black Schedule
Speaking of what can we do?
Some of the Bay Area pups have discussed an “Impeach” tale at the Ferry Plaza Farmers’ Market.
No problem: the very wide sidewalk outside the Ferry Bldg (along Embarcadero) has planty of room for free speech.
We can set up our table and join the folks already there for one political purpose or another – all without any permit required!
I confirmed this with the CUESA folks at the market.
Thanks for the link to “Women in Black”. There are a couple in my area.
Elliott @ 11
o wow, can we make this a meme?
Had an idea – let’s protest the war by quitting MySpace by the thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, worldwide, starting right away.
I am sending out the following email and myspace bulletin. Hope you dont mind:
DONT LIKE FOXNEWS?
DONT SUPPORT THE WAR?
BELONG TO MYSPACE?
IT IS TIME TO QUIT MYSPACE EN MASSE, THOUSANDS, TENS OF THOUSANDS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DELETED ACCOUNTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO PROTEST THE IRAQ WAR!
ACT! QUIT MYSPACE! PASS THIS MESSAGE AROUND, AND REPOST IT WHEN IT GETS DELETED FROM CRAIGSLIST AND MYSPACE!
WE HAVE TO ACT SOMEHOW, AND THIS IS ONE HELL OF AN EASY AND RIDICULOUSLY EFFECTIVE WAY!!
SEND A BULLETIN OF THIS MESSAGE, WAIT A DAY, AND THEN DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT!
BY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!
SEND THIS MESSAGE ALL OVER THE WORLD! DELETE YOUR MYSPACE ACCOUNT IN PROTEST OF THE IRAQ WAR!
DEMOCRACY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah right. Only wimps and liberal girly men get PTSD. Real men just chug another one, spit and move on. Then please explain my father, who was raised in a lower working class neighborhood in St. Louis and who served on Guam, Saipan, and Iwo Jima as a CB seconded to the 5th Marines – landing the first day on each of those assaults. He used to wake up screaming in the middle of the night well into the 1960s. He could not ever talk about his experiences without breaking down and crying right up to his death five years ago. Useless, stupid, fucking pathetic wastes of protoplasm hiding behind their computer screens. Let’s see how “manly” any of them is when faced with the reality of the horror that is war. I have never personally known any combat veteran, and I have known a lot from several different wars, who was not profoundly injured psychologically by their experience. Some deal with it or hide it better than others, but no one “just goes on with their life”.
Everybody knows it’s boys who didn’t shower with their fathers who get PTSD.
now if they knew their father the way mr dobson thinks they should they’d be able to take a slug to the spine without batting an eyelash.
PTSD…see the Movie “In the valley of Elah”
It strikes me that somewhere in the Machiavellian neo-con brain, the idea that numbing and distancing the populace as far as possible from the realities of our middle eastern engagements, while egging the battered and beaten male ego with taunts of cowardice and disloyalty, not to mention the inability to bring home a winner–score, is the ideal way to enjoin a permanent war with limited resistance.
More people than one realizes here at Firedog Lake, while wishing the war to go away, are quite dislocated from its reality, and no doubt feel impotent in responding.
This is of course part of the plague of gender politics, which perverts masculinity and invites the scorn of women, does it not?
People in our country have turned on Bush cause he’s such a calamatous loser, not because, sad to say, he’s a scoundrel.
I disagree completely with your last sentence CitizenE; Millions of people is this country knew Bush was a loser AND a scoundrel before he was selected.
Millions elected him to a second term too. Felix. Look at his numbers on Mission Accomplished.
CitizenE @ 119
The 2004 election was stolen in Ohio.
PTSD…….Like alcoholism, the effects on the family unit are devastating. Most who suffer from PTSD use drugs, yes alcohol is a drug to numb the pain. The pain of trauma brought on by sights and actions, the civilized world could never comprehend or justify.
America suffered from PTSD after 911. Then opportunists shoved it up our collective ass, morphing a legitimate desire for accountability of the perpetrators of 911 into an “occupation” with our troops. Now we suffer the consequences of continued short sighted policies, which in part contributed to the 911 attacks!! Talk about repeating the same mistakes. The GI’s came home all fuc*ed up from the Vietnam experience, Gulf War and Iraq Vets come home all fuc*ked up. The cost of this war is more of the same and we are told to hold the course. Kiss my a*s “W” You have no clue as to the cost “America” is paying for your *uck-up!!! Unfortunately America does not realize it yet either!!!