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		<title>By: Susan Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I cannot begin to know how Miracle must be feeling. She must be thinking that there is no hope for her and her family to ever get a home. I hope that the comments left here will lift her spirits and keep her striving forward.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot begin to know how Miracle must be feeling. She must be thinking that there is no hope for her and her family to ever get a home. I hope that the comments left here will lift her spirits and keep her striving forward.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/pull-up-a-chair-68/#comment-1031604</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we can feild a NEW party, call it “the constitutionalists” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that will get members from BOTH parties, it will be a SECULAR party, it’s platform will be religion OUT of politics, corporations are NOT people, only PEOPLE can contribute to political campaigns&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and it will be the party of GOVERNMENT FOR PEOPLE, BY PEOPLE&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it will be AGAINST government for corporations by corporations&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;corporations will be FORCED to pay THEIR SHARE of the expense of governing in America, they will pay LIVING wages, they will NOT import their product if they intend to make profit from US&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we can feild a NEW party, call it “the constitutionalists” </p>
<p>that will get members from BOTH parties, it will be a SECULAR party, it’s platform will be religion OUT of politics, corporations are NOT people, only PEOPLE can contribute to political campaigns</p>
<p>and it will be the party of GOVERNMENT FOR PEOPLE, BY PEOPLE</p>
<p>it will be AGAINST government for corporations by corporations</p>
<p>corporations will be FORCED to pay THEIR SHARE of the expense of governing in America, they will pay LIVING wages, they will NOT import their product if they intend to make profit from US</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/pull-up-a-chair-68/#comment-1031535</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1031357&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;katherine Graham Cracker @ 91&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;October 13, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
Davenport, Ia. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize should have gone to someone other than former Vice President Al Gore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks who are suffering and dying in Burma,” referring to a continuing struggle between military rulers in Myanmar and protesters, led by monks, seeking democracy. His comments came after a speech Friday in Davenport.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess that McCain thinks the democracy movement started this year instead of a loooooooooooog time ago&lt;br /&gt;
and that the Nobel Committee has recognized the work in Burma. Unfortunately not McCain and his ilk, they are years behind the Nobel Prize committee.&lt;br /&gt;
Aung San Suu Kyi won the Nobel prize in 1991.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rarely do I defend McCain, but he has long been a supporter of the Democracy Movement in Burma, writing many op-eds and pressing for Congressional and Presidential action against the regime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibiblio.org/obl/reg.burma/archives/199611/msg00094.html&quot;&gt;http://www.ibiblio.org/obl/reg.....00094.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He also sent a letter back on the tenth anniversary of Ang San Suu Kyi’s Nobel Prize to the Commemoration Events. I think that he was just trying to be demeaning to Gore and the Scientific Committee that was awarded the prize. Unless he has gone absolutely senile, he’s quite aware that ASSK received the Nobel Peace Prize.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It IS a bit sad that he doesn’t yet seem to understand the process for nomination for and winning the prize. The monks would have had to be nominated several months before these recent protests broke out.  I think that’s why he was pretty much using the statement to demean Gore and the Study Commission of Climate for receiving the award…which is offensive enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Ron Paul had made this statement I would be far more abrasive. Paul was one of only TWO House Members that mysteriously voted NAY to the Resolution condemning the dictators of Myanmar for their  attacks on the peaceful demonstrations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1031357"><em>katherine Graham Cracker @ 91</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>October 13, 2007<br />
Davenport, Ia. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize should have gone to someone other than former Vice President Al Gore.</p>
<p>McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks who are suffering and dying in Burma,” referring to a continuing struggle between military rulers in Myanmar and protesters, led by monks, seeking democracy. His comments came after a speech Friday in Davenport.</p>
<p>I guess that McCain thinks the democracy movement started this year instead of a loooooooooooog time ago<br />
and that the Nobel Committee has recognized the work in Burma. Unfortunately not McCain and his ilk, they are years behind the Nobel Prize committee.<br />
Aung San Suu Kyi won the Nobel prize in 1991.</p>
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<p>Rarely do I defend McCain, but he has long been a supporter of the Democracy Movement in Burma, writing many op-eds and pressing for Congressional and Presidential action against the regime.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/obl/reg.burma/archives/199611/msg00094.html">http://www.ibiblio.org/obl/reg&#8230;..00094.html</a> </p>
<p>He also sent a letter back on the tenth anniversary of Ang San Suu Kyi’s Nobel Prize to the Commemoration Events. I think that he was just trying to be demeaning to Gore and the Scientific Committee that was awarded the prize. Unless he has gone absolutely senile, he’s quite aware that ASSK received the Nobel Peace Prize.</p>
<p>It IS a bit sad that he doesn’t yet seem to understand the process for nomination for and winning the prize. The monks would have had to be nominated several months before these recent protests broke out.  I think that’s why he was pretty much using the statement to demean Gore and the Study Commission of Climate for receiving the award…which is offensive enough.</p>
<p>If Ron Paul had made this statement I would be far more abrasive. Paul was one of only TWO House Members that mysteriously voted NAY to the Resolution condemning the dictators of Myanmar for their  attacks on the peaceful demonstrations.</p>
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		<title>By: RockPaperScizzors</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/pull-up-a-chair-68/#comment-1031480</link>
		<dc:creator>RockPaperScizzors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1031357&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;katherine Graham Cracker @ 91&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;October 13, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
Davenport, Ia. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize should have gone to someone other than former Vice President Al Gore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks who are suffering and dying in Burma,” referring to a continuing struggle between military rulers in Myanmar and protesters, led by monks, seeking democracy. His comments came after a speech Friday in Davenport.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess that McCain thinks the democracy movement started this year instead of a loooooooooooog time ago&lt;br /&gt;
and that the Nobel Committee has recognized the work in Burma. Unfortunately not McCain and his ilk, they are years behind the Nobel Prize committee.&lt;br /&gt;
Aung San Suu Kyi won the Nobel prize in 1991.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The pretenders; McCain, Hillary, etc.. and  other pres. candidates are anxious about Al Gore. Do they fear that Odysseus has returned to Ithaca?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1031357"><em>katherine Graham Cracker @ 91</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>October 13, 2007<br />
Davenport, Ia. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize should have gone to someone other than former Vice President Al Gore.</p>
<p>McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks who are suffering and dying in Burma,” referring to a continuing struggle between military rulers in Myanmar and protesters, led by monks, seeking democracy. His comments came after a speech Friday in Davenport.</p>
<p>I guess that McCain thinks the democracy movement started this year instead of a loooooooooooog time ago<br />
and that the Nobel Committee has recognized the work in Burma. Unfortunately not McCain and his ilk, they are years behind the Nobel Prize committee.<br />
Aung San Suu Kyi won the Nobel prize in 1991.</p>
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<p>The pretenders; McCain, Hillary, etc.. and  other pres. candidates are anxious about Al Gore. Do they fear that Odysseus has returned to Ithaca?</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/pull-up-a-chair-68/#comment-1031359</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cat got your tongue? Come on up to Phoenix Woman’s new thread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/come-saturday-morning-its-a-cat-thing/&quot;&gt;Come Saturday Morning: It’s A Cat Thing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat got your tongue? Come on up to Phoenix Woman’s new thread.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/come-saturday-morning-its-a-cat-thing/">Come Saturday Morning: It’s A Cat Thing</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/pull-up-a-chair-68/#comment-1031358</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1031335&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PA_Lady @ 76&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1031323&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 64&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;School bonds are almost always a harbinger of a big psychological shift in the political landscape. It indicates that people really have moved away from self-interest to thinking about what is in the long-term benefit of the community they live in. They start realizing that what is good for their kids (and themselves) requires some investment in schools, healthcare, etc.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or someone threatened their football team. *sigh* One of our area school districts over the border in NY couldn’t get its budget approved by the voters for a second year in a row. (Which means the school ends up limited to the same budget as the previous year.) So, the school cut the football team. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The outrage was incredible. People cursed the school board, and held fund drives to save “their” team.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When asked to comment, the school board president said, (paraphrasing) “I think it’s great the community is this supportive of a sport, and we welcome their assistance. Maybe they’d like to contribute to the arts and music programs we had to cut last year when they failed to approve &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; budget.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This year, the budget passed with some 80% approval. Football’s back (as a school expense) but so are the arts and music programs.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now &lt;em&gt;that’s&lt;/em&gt; a strategy!  Too bad sometimes you have to “trick” people into doing the right thing.  Bet folks could think of lots of other examples of the same.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1031335"><em>PA_Lady @ 76</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1031323"><em>cinnamonape @ 64</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>School bonds are almost always a harbinger of a big psychological shift in the political landscape. It indicates that people really have moved away from self-interest to thinking about what is in the long-term benefit of the community they live in. They start realizing that what is good for their kids (and themselves) requires some investment in schools, healthcare, etc.</p>
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<p>Or someone threatened their football team. *sigh* One of our area school districts over the border in NY couldn’t get its budget approved by the voters for a second year in a row. (Which means the school ends up limited to the same budget as the previous year.) So, the school cut the football team. </p>
<p>The outrage was incredible. People cursed the school board, and held fund drives to save “their” team.</p>
<p>When asked to comment, the school board president said, (paraphrasing) “I think it’s great the community is this supportive of a sport, and we welcome their assistance. Maybe they’d like to contribute to the arts and music programs we had to cut last year when they failed to approve <i>that</i> budget.” </p>
<p>This year, the budget passed with some 80% approval. Football’s back (as a school expense) but so are the arts and music programs.</p>
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<p>Now <em>that’s</em> a strategy!  Too bad sometimes you have to “trick” people into doing the right thing.  Bet folks could think of lots of other examples of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: katherine Graham Cracker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/pull-up-a-chair-68/#comment-1031357</link>
		<dc:creator>katherine Graham Cracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;October 13, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
Davenport, Ia. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize should have gone to someone other than former Vice President Al Gore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks who are suffering and dying in Burma,” referring to a continuing struggle between military rulers in Myanmar and protesters, led by monks, seeking democracy. His comments came after a speech Friday in Davenport.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess that McCain thinks the democracy movement started this year instead of a loooooooooooog time ago&lt;br /&gt;
and that the Nobel Committee has recognized the work in Burma. Unfortunately not McCain and his ilk, they are years behind the Nobel Prize committee.&lt;br /&gt;
Aung San Suu Kyi won the Nobel prize in 1991.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>October 13, 2007<br />
Davenport, Ia. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize should have gone to someone other than former Vice President Al Gore.</p>
<p>McCain congratulated Gore but also said, “I would have liked to see that prize go to the Buddhist monks who are suffering and dying in Burma,” referring to a continuing struggle between military rulers in Myanmar and protesters, led by monks, seeking democracy. His comments came after a speech Friday in Davenport.</p>
<p>I guess that McCain thinks the democracy movement started this year instead of a loooooooooooog time ago<br />
and that the Nobel Committee has recognized the work in Burma. Unfortunately not McCain and his ilk, they are years behind the Nobel Prize committee.<br />
Aung San Suu Kyi won the Nobel prize in 1991.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/pull-up-a-chair-68/#comment-1031353</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1031323&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 64&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1031317&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 58&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Perhaps we are waking up in Oklahoma.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“City, school and community leaders had confidence a multimillion-dollar bond issue for Oklahoma City’s schools would get voter approval. But did it seem realistic to think they’d clear the 60 percent hurdle with thousands of votes to spare? Hardly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oklahoma City hasn’t seen that margin of voter support for schools in decades. Four propositions totaling $248.3 million passed with at least 77.9 percent of the vote Tuesday. Even with the widespread support of MAPS for Kids in 2001, the bond issue portion of that project passed with only a few hundred extra votes.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus, in the Oklahoma county in which I was born, the Democrat just beat the Republican candidate for commissioner. And we have a Democratic guv and a Dem Lt. Governor (a woman and former judge).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;School bonds are almost always a harbinger of a big psychological shift in the political landscape. It indicates that people really have moved away from self-interest to thinking about what is in the long-term benefit of the community they live in. They start realizing that what is good for their kids (and themselves) requires some investment in schools, healthcare, etc.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps it would benefit everybody in all communities to be introduced to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljbI-363A2Q&quot;&gt;video&lt;/a&gt; that CNN introduced to the me this morning.  Pretty interesting, it was reportedly created by a teacher who wanted to make sure they were teaching kids for the future world.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1031323"><em>cinnamonape @ 64</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1031317"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 58</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps we are waking up in Oklahoma.</p>
<p>“City, school and community leaders had confidence a multimillion-dollar bond issue for Oklahoma City’s schools would get voter approval. But did it seem realistic to think they’d clear the 60 percent hurdle with thousands of votes to spare? Hardly.</p>
<p>Oklahoma City hasn’t seen that margin of voter support for schools in decades. Four propositions totaling $248.3 million passed with at least 77.9 percent of the vote Tuesday. Even with the widespread support of MAPS for Kids in 2001, the bond issue portion of that project passed with only a few hundred extra votes.”</p>
<p>Plus, in the Oklahoma county in which I was born, the Democrat just beat the Republican candidate for commissioner. And we have a Democratic guv and a Dem Lt. Governor (a woman and former judge).</p>
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<p>School bonds are almost always a harbinger of a big psychological shift in the political landscape. It indicates that people really have moved away from self-interest to thinking about what is in the long-term benefit of the community they live in. They start realizing that what is good for their kids (and themselves) requires some investment in schools, healthcare, etc.</p>
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<p>Perhaps it would benefit everybody in all communities to be introduced to the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljbI-363A2Q">video</a> that CNN introduced to the me this morning.  Pretty interesting, it was reportedly created by a teacher who wanted to make sure they were teaching kids for the future world.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/13/pull-up-a-chair-68/#comment-1031352</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1031351&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kevster @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for letting us know about this family. We just made a contribution. I will check back with the hopeingrace site from time to time to check on their progress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s just a drop in the bucket but it still feels good.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re a whole lake, we can surely find enough drops to fill that bucket.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1031351"><em>Kevster @ 88</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Thanks for letting us know about this family. We just made a contribution. I will check back with the hopeingrace site from time to time to check on their progress.</p>
<p>It’s just a drop in the bucket but it still feels good.</p>
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<p>We’re a whole lake, we can surely find enough drops to fill that bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for letting us know about this family. We just made a contribution. I will check back with the hopeingrace site from time to time to check on their progress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s just a drop in the bucket but it still feels good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for letting us know about this family. We just made a contribution. I will check back with the hopeingrace site from time to time to check on their progress.</p>
<p>It’s just a drop in the bucket but it still feels good.</p>
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