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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/12/the-presumption-of-authenticity/#comment-1031025</link>
		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030416&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 68&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cornell produced: Vonnegut, egregious, Olbermann.  Which of these does not belong :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ann Coulter, Bill Maher&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Cornell produced: Vonnegut, egregious, Olbermann.  Which of these does not belong :)</p>
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<p>Ann Coulter, Bill Maher</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Byrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall Byrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“…Mitt Romney, a non-Christian…” belongs to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.&lt;br /&gt;
Makes him just as much a christian as anyone else who believes in Jesus Christ as god.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…Mitt Romney, a non-Christian…” belongs to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.<br />
Makes him just as much a christian as anyone else who believes in Jesus Christ as god.</p>
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		<title>By: yellowdog jim</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/12/the-presumption-of-authenticity/#comment-1030766</link>
		<dc:creator>yellowdog jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT:&lt;br /&gt;
OT CT!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT:<br />
OT CT!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/12/the-presumption-of-authenticity/#comment-1030752</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030416&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 68&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cornell produced: Vonnegut, egregious, Olbermann.  Which of these does not belong :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought that Olbermann went to Oberlin? Oh…that was Stalkin’ Malkin and her Ghost-Writing Hubbie!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1030416"><em>egregious @ 68</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Cornell produced: Vonnegut, egregious, Olbermann.  Which of these does not belong :)</p>
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<p>I thought that Olbermann went to Oberlin? Oh…that was Stalkin’ Malkin and her Ghost-Writing Hubbie!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/12/the-presumption-of-authenticity/#comment-1030734</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030658&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eli @ 245&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030655&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 243&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m not plugging for Hillary….but I don’t think that the She can’t win ’cause “Right Wing Extremists won’t vote for her” carries much weight.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heh.  ‘Cuz all the other Democrats have the right-wing extremist vote all sewn up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the campaign will be a lot uglier if it’s Hillary, but that’s not sufficient reason.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exactly. None of the Democratic candidates will win over the right-wing “Hillary haters” either. And they will mobilize against Edwards and Obama as well, though for different reasons. There are lots of reasons for people not to support Hillary in the Primaries, but the argument that she can’t win in the General election is one of the weakest IMO. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the criticism that Hillary is a “flip-flopper”? Heck, isn’t the fact that she responds to criticism by changing her opinions a 180 degree turnabout when compared to the current regime? I know that I’d prefer someone who is ideological correct 100% of the time and never had to change their views…but the fact that she will modify her positions (which always are a lot more nuanced anyway than what we see in the MSM versions) is to me a GOOD THING!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I AM concerned about some of her votes that gave Bush/Cheney the “foot in the door” in Iraq (and possibly in Iran…although the insanity of such an attack under current Force levels would be obvious). In Iraq Bush at least had a vast military to pull off the INVASION (though not the occupation). I’m wondering if the Kyl Resolution was supported to make Bush/Cheney do something that TRIGGERS an impeachment? Hillary stated that the Resolution is in no way an authorization. If true, if Bush attacks Iran will she back that up by stating that his actions constitute an Unconstitutional Declaration of War?  Is this a game of “chicken” being played out?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And regarding the Supreme Court…some here have supported a Ron Paul Presidency, which I feel would end up putting several anti-Choice Federalists on the Court. Hillary would never allow such people anywhere in the process!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1030658"><em>Eli @ 245</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1030655"><em>cinnamonape @ 243</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I’m not plugging for Hillary….but I don’t think that the She can’t win ’cause “Right Wing Extremists won’t vote for her” carries much weight.</p>
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<p>Heh.  ‘Cuz all the other Democrats have the right-wing extremist vote all sewn up.</p>
<p>I think the campaign will be a lot uglier if it’s Hillary, but that’s not sufficient reason.</p>
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<p>Exactly. None of the Democratic candidates will win over the right-wing “Hillary haters” either. And they will mobilize against Edwards and Obama as well, though for different reasons. There are lots of reasons for people not to support Hillary in the Primaries, but the argument that she can’t win in the General election is one of the weakest IMO. </p>
<p>And the criticism that Hillary is a “flip-flopper”? Heck, isn’t the fact that she responds to criticism by changing her opinions a 180 degree turnabout when compared to the current regime? I know that I’d prefer someone who is ideological correct 100% of the time and never had to change their views…but the fact that she will modify her positions (which always are a lot more nuanced anyway than what we see in the MSM versions) is to me a GOOD THING!</p>
<p>I AM concerned about some of her votes that gave Bush/Cheney the “foot in the door” in Iraq (and possibly in Iran…although the insanity of such an attack under current Force levels would be obvious). In Iraq Bush at least had a vast military to pull off the INVASION (though not the occupation). I’m wondering if the Kyl Resolution was supported to make Bush/Cheney do something that TRIGGERS an impeachment? Hillary stated that the Resolution is in no way an authorization. If true, if Bush attacks Iran will she back that up by stating that his actions constitute an Unconstitutional Declaration of War?  Is this a game of “chicken” being played out?</p>
<p>And regarding the Supreme Court…some here have supported a Ron Paul Presidency, which I feel would end up putting several anti-Choice Federalists on the Court. Hillary would never allow such people anywhere in the process!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Doty</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/12/the-presumption-of-authenticity/#comment-1030721</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Doty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030567&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 213&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030566&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;wigwam @ 212&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I was far less wise.  I was sure that he’d be a one-term phenomenon.  And I was doubly sure that if no WMDs were found in Iraq, he’d surely not get a second term.  Well there were no WMDs in Iraq, but he got his second term.  And shortly after that news of Abu Ghraib broke.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i still .can.not.believe. he got a second term.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He didn’t get a second term, he stole it (voter caging, screwy voting machines, etc.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1030567"><em>Elliott @ 213</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1030566"><em>wigwam @ 212</em></a></p>
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I was far less wise.  I was sure that he’d be a one-term phenomenon.  And I was doubly sure that if no WMDs were found in Iraq, he’d surely not get a second term.  Well there were no WMDs in Iraq, but he got his second term.  And shortly after that news of Abu Ghraib broke.</p>
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<p>i still .can.not.believe. he got a second term.</p>
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<p>He didn’t get a second term, he stole it (voter caging, screwy voting machines, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/12/the-presumption-of-authenticity/#comment-1030691</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030442&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;do-si-do @ 94&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030386&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Monk @ 40&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I posted this under the last Malkin post, but I find her latest move so reprhensible, I think it should be seen by more folks.&lt;br /&gt;
As the following demonstrates, Michelle now has the family’s neighbors dissing on them behind their backs. Take a look at this garbage..an anonymous email with more character assasination of this family.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Michell Malkin: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is something seriously mentally wrong with this woman. She doe not know when to stop.  She reminds me of Monty Python’s knight, who having been robbed of both arms and legs insists on “calling it a draw.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I call bullshit on MM’s “anonymous email”.  She had to have written it herself.  she doesn’t really believe she beat out Ann Coulter’s Jew slur for America’s Next Top Beeyotch.  So she’s gotta give them a little extra.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I do hope the Frosts are coping well with this crap and are planning to file a suit for slander and/or libel.  (I always forget which is which).  IANAL but it has malicious intent and then some.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The “anonymous” email (doesn’t Malkin check her “sources”…she of the great Phony Iraqi policeman, phony soldiers searches) couldn’t be a neighbor who is INFORMED about the issue. The email AGAIN raises the issue of the kids going to Private Schools…any REAL NEIGHBOR of the Frosts would know that the kids went on SCHOLARSHIPS, some of which were paid for by COMMUNITY FUNDRAISERS!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Malkin and her ilk simply “create” these posts filled with lies and distortions…just like she did by claiming Kerry shot himself to get the wound which resulted in shrapnel being taken out of his leg. Not a BULLET, mind you, but SHRAPNEL. John Kerry must be a ballistics expert &lt;em&gt; non-pareil&lt;/em&gt; to fire off his weapon against something so that, instead of getting seriously injured he only received a shrapnel wound.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This woman is a compulsive liar and extremely pathological psychotic who “fashions” a reality that is beyond bizarre.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1030442"><em>do-si-do @ 94</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1030386"><em>Monk @ 40</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I posted this under the last Malkin post, but I find her latest move so reprhensible, I think it should be seen by more folks.<br />
As the following demonstrates, Michelle now has the family’s neighbors dissing on them behind their backs. Take a look at this garbage..an anonymous email with more character assasination of this family.</p>
<p>Michell Malkin: </p>
<p>There is something seriously mentally wrong with this woman. She doe not know when to stop.  She reminds me of Monty Python’s knight, who having been robbed of both arms and legs insists on “calling it a draw.”</p>
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<p>I call bullshit on MM’s “anonymous email”.  She had to have written it herself.  she doesn’t really believe she beat out Ann Coulter’s Jew slur for America’s Next Top Beeyotch.  So she’s gotta give them a little extra.</p>
<p>And I do hope the Frosts are coping well with this crap and are planning to file a suit for slander and/or libel.  (I always forget which is which).  IANAL but it has malicious intent and then some.</p>
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<p>The “anonymous” email (doesn’t Malkin check her “sources”…she of the great Phony Iraqi policeman, phony soldiers searches) couldn’t be a neighbor who is INFORMED about the issue. The email AGAIN raises the issue of the kids going to Private Schools…any REAL NEIGHBOR of the Frosts would know that the kids went on SCHOLARSHIPS, some of which were paid for by COMMUNITY FUNDRAISERS!</p>
<p>Malkin and her ilk simply “create” these posts filled with lies and distortions…just like she did by claiming Kerry shot himself to get the wound which resulted in shrapnel being taken out of his leg. Not a BULLET, mind you, but SHRAPNEL. John Kerry must be a ballistics expert <em> non-pareil</em> to fire off his weapon against something so that, instead of getting seriously injured he only received a shrapnel wound.</p>
<p>This woman is a compulsive liar and extremely pathological psychotic who “fashions” a reality that is beyond bizarre.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/12/the-presumption-of-authenticity/#comment-1030675</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030652&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newtonusr @ 243&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030559&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo. @ 205&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I’m a union member, newtonusr.  Got links?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/12/hillary_clinton_pandering_on_flag_burning/&quot;&gt;flags&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/13/news/clinton.php&quot;&gt;Newt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looking for the rest…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The rest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/5/121023/721&quot;&gt;union buster&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1030652"><em>newtonusr @ 243</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1030559"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 205</em></a></p>
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<p>I’m a union member, newtonusr.  Got links?</p>
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<p>yes</p>
<p><a href="http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2005/12/hillary_clinton_pandering_on_flag_burning/">flags</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/13/news/clinton.php">Newt</a></p>
<p>Looking for the rest…</p>
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<p>The rest.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/5/121023/721">union buster</a></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1030386&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Monk @ 40&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I posted this under the last Malkin post, but I find her latest move so reprhensible, I think it should be seen by more folks.&lt;br /&gt;
As the following demonstrates, Michelle now has the family’s neighbors dissing on them behind their backs. (As I recall she spearheaded a campaign awhile back to get people to do exactly that…report their neighbors.) Take a look at this garbage..an anonymous email with more character assasination of this family.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Michell Malkin:&lt;br /&gt;
“I received an unsolicited e-mail this week from a neighbor of the Frost family, the family held up by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the entitlement expansionist Democrats. He wrote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They’re good people. Terribly misguided, pathetically leftist buffoons, but still good people. It was a terrible accident and Bonnie is quite beat up with guilt over the events. Lots of neighbors pitched in to cook meals and help out… Bonnie works half time doing freelance editorial work and Halsey, an incredibly disorganized lovable goofball, just can’t seem to hold down a proper job or, when he’s tried, to run a proper company. He’s a millwork carpenter and does great work installing custom interior and exterior trimwork and cabinetry. He should be making great money but can’t get out of his way…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…Still, we make choices, right? They have three vehicles - a nice new volvo SUV, a Suburban, and his F250 Ford Pickup work truck, a nice house, and all four kids go to private school. Not sure where the money comes from, but they don’t make all that much. Should they be the poster child for S-CHIP? Heck no….”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is something seriously mentally wrong with this woman. She doe not know when to stop.  She reminds me of Monty Python’s knight, who having been robbed of both arms and legs insists on “calling it a draw.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Funny how this “commentor” gets to preserve his anonymity (”coward”) while expressing his political views while the Frosts are vilified. At the very least this guy could use his REAL NAME and allow his FAMILY to be dragged through the mud!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1030386"><em>Monk @ 40</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I posted this under the last Malkin post, but I find her latest move so reprhensible, I think it should be seen by more folks.<br />
As the following demonstrates, Michelle now has the family’s neighbors dissing on them behind their backs. (As I recall she spearheaded a campaign awhile back to get people to do exactly that…report their neighbors.) Take a look at this garbage..an anonymous email with more character assasination of this family.</p>
<p>Michell Malkin:<br />
“I received an unsolicited e-mail this week from a neighbor of the Frost family, the family held up by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the entitlement expansionist Democrats. He wrote:</p>
<p>They’re good people. Terribly misguided, pathetically leftist buffoons, but still good people. It was a terrible accident and Bonnie is quite beat up with guilt over the events. Lots of neighbors pitched in to cook meals and help out… Bonnie works half time doing freelance editorial work and Halsey, an incredibly disorganized lovable goofball, just can’t seem to hold down a proper job or, when he’s tried, to run a proper company. He’s a millwork carpenter and does great work installing custom interior and exterior trimwork and cabinetry. He should be making great money but can’t get out of his way…</p>
<p>…Still, we make choices, right? They have three vehicles &#8211; a nice new volvo SUV, a Suburban, and his F250 Ford Pickup work truck, a nice house, and all four kids go to private school. Not sure where the money comes from, but they don’t make all that much. Should they be the poster child for S-CHIP? Heck no….”</p>
<p>There is something seriously mentally wrong with this woman. She doe not know when to stop.  She reminds me of Monty Python’s knight, who having been robbed of both arms and legs insists on “calling it a draw.”</p>
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<p>Funny how this “commentor” gets to preserve his anonymity (”coward”) while expressing his political views while the Frosts are vilified. At the very least this guy could use his REAL NAME and allow his FAMILY to be dragged through the mud!</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;c’ape, the turnout is the key on the haters, though.  I think they’d drive over their grandmothers to vote against Hill; with anyone else, not so much.  So I don’t trust those negativity polls.  jmho&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>c’ape, the turnout is the key on the haters, though.  I think they’d drive over their grandmothers to vote against Hill; with anyone else, not so much.  So I don’t trust those negativity polls.  jmho</p>
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