The right-wing smears against Graeme Frost and his family, launched from Mitch McConnell’s office and the right-wing blogosphere directly into the mainstream media, reminded me once again of one of my many media pet peeves: The presumption that all conservatives and Republicans are authentic, while all Democrats and progressives are phonies. Before the Frosts were accused of faking their middle class status, we had Algore the fibber in thrall to his image consultants… now Algore the hypocritical energy hog. John Kerry the effete, out-of-touch, phony war hero. Paul Hackett the resume-padding “staff puke” and all the other “phony” anti-war soldiers. John Edwards, whose money and haircuts make it impossible for him to care about poverty. Hillary Clinton’s calculated “cackle.” And so on, and so on.
Meanwhile, Republicans and conservatives (with the possible exception of Mitt Romney, a non-Christian Mormon with shaky conservative credentials) never have to deal with accusations of phoniness, despite far more abundant evidence to the contrary. Fred Thompson’s folksy down-home persona is accepted at face value, with nary a mention of his lobbying career or his phony red truck. Likewise for Dubya, the decisive straight-shootin’ Texas cowboy whose entire identity is a lie. Likewise for Rudy, the Hero Of 9/11 who has thoroughly pissed off the firefighters’ union. Not to mention all the Republican politicians and preachers and boosters who wind up in corruption and/or sex scandals, or Bill Bennett’s gambling addiction, or Rush Limbaugh’s love of Oxycontin and Viagra. This is supposed to be the party of “moral values,” yet they make us godless hippies look like Dudley Do-Right.
In a way, it’s sort of flattering that the Right chooses to challenge the sincerity of Democrats’ policies and personas rather than their substance. It’s almost as if they’re not so sure their policy arguments (”Tax and spend! Coddling terrorists! Undermining the troops and/or institution of marriage! Scrawk!”) are cutting it anymore. In other words, they’ve got nothin’.
But the most delicious irony of all is this: When the smear merchants want to make Democrats look as unappealing as possible, their #1 strategy of choice is to make them sound like… Republicans.
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Eli!
Eli!
Hiya Eli!
Hi guys!
Nice post tonight Eli. It’s funny about the authenticity thing. My British friend, who is liberal and votes Labour, nonetheless thinks Shrub is a great guy with a friendly manner and good sense of humor. Try as I might I can’t seem to change his mind!
((Eli))!
Scrawk! Up is down! Right is left! Malkin is brilliant! Scrawk!
LoudounLib @ 5
Yeah, I don’t see it either. I just see a 60-year-old version of one of those rich, drunk fratboys with the dead psychotic eyes.
Eli,
The rethugs have for years had to rely solely on mis-direction and lies and Orwellian naming to win elections. They don’t dare tell the truth about their policies or their actions for if they did they wouldn’t even win elections for trash collector or dog catcher.
I learned the hard way from a really twisted coworker that twisted people accuse you of the very things they are thinking of doing, because they can’t imagine any other way of conducting their lives. They are con artists and assume everyone else is too!
Hi Eli!
dakine01 @ 8
This would, of course, be impossible if the media didn’t willingly, eagerly play along.
Enrages me, too…
Evening, Eli!
dakine01 @ 8
How ’bout truant officer?
But the most delicious irony of all is this: When the smear merchants want to make Democrats look as unappealing as possible, their #1 strategy of choice is to make them sound like… Republicans.
How dare they? – Al Gore – 2005
Sorry to be W-A-Y OT, but I often have to read posts and comments long after the pups have gone upstairs to more threads. So EPU’d from earlier…
Bilbo @ 37
Perhaps someone should put together a dictionary of FDL acronyms and terms, and we could point newbies to it. I just today learned why Matthews is dubbed “Tweety” and I’ve asked for definitions more than once. The Lake is a friendly place, and this might make it even more so. Just sayin’….
do-si-do @ 9
Hi, do!
If the Frosts were as rich as the wingnuts say they are, and were advocating in the opposite direction, the Republicans would be giving them high-fives.
Evening, pb!
Loo Hoo, if you’re here — left you a note just now at the end of the last thread.
msmolly @ 14
I have it but I have nowhere to post it.
BTW — By the way
EPU, EPU’d — Acronym for “Evil Parallel Universe”, name of a long-time, popular commenter at FireDogLake; acronym “EPU’d” used to describe condition in which a commenter posts at the end of a comment thread as a new thread begins, often without realizing the new thread has started. Evil Parallel Universe often EPU’d himself because his comments were thoughtful and dense in content; by the time he’d completed and submitted his comment in response to a comment mid-thread, he would wind up at the end of a thread with many users having moved on to the new thread.
IANAL — I am not a lawyer – frequently used caveat qualifying a comment as an opinion from someone without a Juris Doctor.
IIRC — If I recall correctly
MSM — Mainstream Media, referring to traditional, corporate-owned media outlets in both print and broadcast.
OMG — Oh my God. Variant OMFG also frequently used.
WRT — With regard to
EDO – Excessive Drama Opportunity
LoudounLib @ 5
Nice post tonight Eli. It’s funny about the authenticity thing. My British friend, who is liberal and votes Labour, nonetheless thinks Shrub is a great guy with a friendly manner and good sense of humor. Try as I might I can’t seem to change his mind!
wow, that’s strange. Are you sure your friend is actually British? They usually have impeccable senses of humor.
Hiya Eli!
Rachel said today on AA, what are the differences between the electorate… An eight-year Veep, during a prosperous era, former Senator, Emmy, Oscar, and, Peace Nobelist, versus… Shrub…!!! ‘Nuff said…!!! *g*
(PS Draft Gore!)
mary @ 19
“EDO” I had not seen before…
msmolly @ 14
This is one of my pet peeves about this place. You’d think the mission of persuasion would be better served by accessible language. Instead, everything is done in code, jargon, shorthand, and juevenile nicknames to ensure that only the choir gets preached to.
Kind of defeats it’s own purpose, if you ask me. Unless the mission isn’t really persuasion, but just reinforcement of smugness as we all huddle together as the lights of liberty are extinguished one by one.
Multiple choice question – Junya is a:
a. Fake Cowboy.
b. Fake Xtian.
c. Fake Tough Guy.
d. Fake Truth-teller.
e. Fake Leader.
f. Fake Reader.
g. Fake Adult.
h. All of the above.
No cheating now, ya’ll.
Hi Eli!
hard to believe these are our fellow human beings.
Hiya, jayt!
jayt, yep — he’s British alright. And a fine friend in every regard, other than that blind spot about Shrub ;-)
Great post, Eli! I just wish the Rethugs weren’t so successful at making Dems sound like Rethugs. That is, I wish Dems wouldn’t roll over and let them get away with it. I wish more Dems would put the lyin’ critics down the way that Murtha did Darth Cheney…Yeah, that’s what I like. I love to get advice from a guy with 5 deferments! (Paraphrased, of course.)
Eli @ 15
Way the hell back in the late 60s, Jules Pfeiffer did a cartoon of a woman in a dress, her belly growing frame by frame, and a man in a suit dancing round her saying:
“Oh the miracle of life”
“A human life growing from a fetus”
“God’s blessing to the future of mankind”
….
In the last frame, the woman (now in rags) is holding a tiny baby. The man stomps out of the frame, muttering “miserable little welfare cheat”.
Mad Dogs @ 24
Just… fake.
Hi Elliott!
Mad Dog, D’uh, “H”…!!! ;-)
Mad Dogs @ 24
Hmmm, thinking, thinking…
Ann in AZ @ 28
If a Democrat smacks down a Republican and the media doesn’t cover it, does it make a noise?
GordonM @ 29
and how relevant still today.
sad…
Mad Dogs @ 24
Multiple choice question – Junya is a:
a. Fake Cowboy.
b. Fake Xtian.
c. Fake Tough Guy.
d. Fake Truth-teller.
e. Fake Leader.
f. Fake Reader.
g. Fake Adult.
h. All of the above.
No cheating now, ya’ll.
I choose (i.) On account of your list, while all true, barely begins to scratch the surface of the walking lie that is GWB.
do-si-do @ 9
Karl has proven that. That’s why I think they’re scared to death of Hillary.
BTW = By the way or balls to wall, depending on context.
LoudounLib @ 32
H
Like the post Eli. Except for Romney, as you point out, they’re Phony Christians.
I posted this under the last Malkin post, but I find her latest move so reprhensible, I think it should be seen by more folks.
As the following demonstrates, Michelle now has the family’s neighbors dissing on them behind their backs. (As I recall she spearheaded a campaign awhile back to get people to do exactly that…report their neighbors.) Take a look at this garbage..an anonymous email with more character assasination of this family.
Michell Malkin:
“I received an unsolicited e-mail this week from a neighbor of the Frost family, the family held up by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the entitlement expansionist Democrats. He wrote:
They’re good people. Terribly misguided, pathetically leftist buffoons, but still good people. It was a terrible accident and Bonnie is quite beat up with guilt over the events. Lots of neighbors pitched in to cook meals and help out… Bonnie works half time doing freelance editorial work and Halsey, an incredibly disorganized lovable goofball, just can’t seem to hold down a proper job or, when he’s tried, to run a proper company. He’s a millwork carpenter and does great work installing custom interior and exterior trimwork and cabinetry. He should be making great money but can’t get out of his way…
…Still, we make choices, right? They have three vehicles – a nice new volvo SUV, a Suburban, and his F250 Ford Pickup work truck, a nice house, and all four kids go to private school. Not sure where the money comes from, but they don’t make all that much. Should they be the poster child for S-CHIP? Heck no….”
There is something seriously mentally wrong with this woman. She doe not know when to stop. She reminds me of Monty Python’s knight, who having been robbed of both arms and legs insists on “calling it a draw.”
Mad Dogs says
October 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Multiple choice question – Junya is a:
fake human being?
Beerfart Liberal @ 39
Thanks, BL. The “Christian” Right are the spitting image of the Pharisees.
Michael Markman @ 23
Looks to me like mary just proved this charge isn’t true.
msmolly @ 14
Urban dictionary has most all the terms used here including those that originated here such as EPU’d
Tucker talking tonight about global warming and Gore(and us).
Said they were dealing with an “authoritarian mindset” (Gore and us)
Said they were dealing with a “faith based movement”.
Wow,Up really is down…
This called “projection”. ;)
ReneND @ 45
Like I said. The worst insult they can think of is to call us Republicans.
9:30 pm update of the unofficial Triple Poll, which is a follow-up of comments about Jane’s official FDL poll.
If you were limited to the following, which one would you choose?
Hillary Clinton (2) 4%
John Edwards (50) 89%
Barack Obama (4) 7%
A Republican (0) 0%
If you had to choose the current candidate that best represents your views, which one would you choose?
Joe Biden (1) 2%
Hillary Clinton (0) 0%
Chris Dodd (3) 5%
John Edwards (26) 46%
Mike Gravel (1) 2%
Dennis Kucinich (24) 42%
Barack Obama (2) 4%
Bill Richardson (0) 0%
A Republican (0) 0%
If Al Gore Decides to enter the race, who would you choose?
Joe Biden (0) 0%
Hillary Clinton (1) 2%
Chris Dodd (0) 0%
John Edwards (15) 26%
Al Gore (35) 61%
Mike Gravel (0) 0%
Dennis Kucinich (6) 11%
Bill Richardson (0) 0%
A Republican (0) 0%
Michael Markman @ 23
Hmm. I have participated on many many forums in the last twenty (YES THAT IS RIGHT TWENTY) years online. Happens in every single forum.
I actually find that the Lake’s got some pretty creative ones. I am particularly fond of “brain bleach” and I am hoping to introduce the “irony meter exploding” meme (from a usenet newsgroup long ago) sometime…
Just ask. People are happy to clarify if asked. It’s not exclusionary, it’s just an organic outgrowth of an interactive group.
IAIYAR – it’s alright if you’re a republican, usually discussing hypocrisy of same…
Beerfart Liberal @ 39
Like the post Eli. Except for Romney, as you point out, they’re Phony Christians.
Kinda depends on whether you’re talking about real Christians, or political Christians, doesn’t it?
Eli @ 42
Who, curiously enough, claim that “science” is a belief derived from the Kabala, which they call a Pharisee cult.
I’m waiting for the call to close the Panama canal, since it’s letting all that water leak over the edge.
GordonM @ 51
laughing!
I know this is more of a question for Howie or Jane, than for Eli, but can we make Al Gore a Blue America candidate once his name is on a state Dem Primary ballot from the draft Gore folks’s actions?
I just found this one in my files…
Bush knows how to take lemons and make terroraid.–Jon Stewart
ccmask @ 54
that’s funny but so not funny
Peanut Butter and other SoCal pups, spoke with Demi and she doesn’t want to meet up all grubby from camping. Can’t blame her. Let’s plan a time when Burns can join up. Burns, could you meet on a Sunday for lunch? How about you, PB?
LL, I just clicked your F and that’s what I got… I’ll try again.
Michael Markman says
October 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Hi Michael – haven’t seen you here before – welcome!
And if there’s an acronym you don’t recognize – just ask – someone will always happily clue you in.
TJ @ 48
I notice that Obama is not on the list for the final poll (if Gore runs)….minor oversight, but still…..
Beerfart Liberal- I left you an explanatory comment near the end of the last thread.
Hey Eli.
Solid post.
Laura Doty @ 58
I notice that Obama is not on the list for the final poll (if Gore runs)….minor oversight, but still…..
My apologies. That was completely unintentional. I’ll see if I can fix it now.
Hey egreg, thanks!
“In fact, Al Gore’s voting record as a senator was surprisingly conservative until he rolled his eye toward the White House. Throughout most of his career, he was pro-life and had an 84% anti-abortion rating from the National Right to Life Committee. From 1979 – 81, he voted five times on the side of a Republican sponsored rider that granted a tax exemption for schools like Bob Jones University that discriminate on the basis of race. He was openly anti-gay, calling homosexuality “abnormal” and “wrong,” and telling the Tennessean in 1984 that he did “not believe it is simply an acceptable alternative that society should affirm.” Gore was such a strong supporter of the gun lobby – ultimately voting against the critical 1985 legislation for a mandatory 14-day waiting period for handgun purchases – that National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre once said, “We could have made Al Gore NRA Man of the Year – every single vote.” Finally, when it came time to vote on conservative Supreme Court nominees, Gore publicly praised but voted against the scandal-ridden Clarence Thomas. He voted in Antonin Scalia. If the wider public had been more aware of his legacy, few would have recognized the Al Gore of 1988 who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination”
Eli @ 62
Always look forward to your take on current events. I think you are Vonnegut’s successor.
No pressure there to be brilliant or anything.
Large businesses such as traditional media outlets will always protect their business interests.
Since Republicans are generally more friendly to such businesses, they will use their power to elevate Republicans and slime Democrats.
No, they don’t care if they’re telling the truth. If you or I point out that they’re being untruthful… well, nothing, because they don’t care.
I think it’s hard for progressives to even fathom the idea that truth does not matter, so we continue to helpfully try to ‘correct errors’ in media reports.
But they are not errors, they are deliberate lies.
I’ve been having trouble putting these thoughts into words, though they’ve been on my mind for months.
For these reasons, blog articles like this one strike me as somehow naive. I don’t mean to criticize, and I’m not sure what to do instead, but every time I read a piece that says “The media was unfair to Democrats in this specific instance”, I just kind of think “Well, duh. That’s the system we have. That happens every minute of every day.”
Anyone see what I mean here? It’s hard to express.
egregious @ 64
Oh my. I don’t think I can even parse that, but I think I’m flattered.
Eli @ 66
Read the edited version. Refresh
Cornell produced: Vonnegut, egregious, Olbermann. Which of these does not belong :)
VictorLaszlo @ 65
Yes, exactly. And up being down? That’s on purpose. People are deliberating twisting the truth 180 degrees. It’s a fascist hallmark.
Loo Hoo. @ 56
Sure a Sunday can work if I’m available. Just let me know — drop a note in facebook?
peanutbutter @ 49
I love — and have used elsewhere — the concept of “brain bleach” and “eye bleach” (thanks to Darkblack’s images).
I have been trying to get my sister and my son (both progressives) to check out FDL, but (in addition to “I don’t have time” my son complained some about the acronyms, and I recognize that folks short of time and patience don’t always want to have to translate.
BTW they are part of my vocabulary now, having mostly lurked for a few months.
yet they make us godless hippies look like Dudley Do-Right.
Damn. Evil ex-girlfriend stole my Dudley T-shirt. (purchased from the lady who did Rocky’s voice from Rocky and Bullwinkle) on Sunset Blvd in L.A.
I’ve never much blamed any female for breaking up with me – but that was just cold.
Well David Brooks was good for a funny today…
“The Supreme Court has ruled that Bush has won the Nobel Peace Prize, not Gore”.
VictorLaszlo @ 65
Believe me, I know.
It was my very first post here, in fact.
a quarter for the Friday Night Juke
Unwritten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g2S5IsHo1s
Eli @ 7
Ding! Especially relish the “dead psychotic eyes” – such fine wordsmithing dear!
Sorry, I’m not trying to hijack the thread. I’m just usually a couple of posts behind. I always read Late and Late Late and can’t comment because they’re over by then and nobody’s there.
jayt @ 72
that was dastardly!
jayt @ 72
That wasn’t Nell Fenwick, it was Snidely Whiplash…in drag!
Monk @ 40
Monk- I have a mixed response to your comment, so please bear with me. On the one hand, it’s good to see Malkin called out whenever possible. One the other hand, you didn’t give a link, so I’ll hope you’ll reassure me that this was not a way to promote Malkin’s comments. Honestly, I don’t think that is that you were trying to do, but because of the way the comment was set out, I ended up scratching my head. (I’m one of these FDLers who REALLY likes links, btw. ;) )
Triple Poll fixed. Thank you Laura, and my apologies to anyone who could not vote correctly because of that. I’m guessing that’s 2-4 people. If you let me know that it affected you, I will try to fix the count.
ET -
What’s the news of all the Alaska stuff that was supposed to be hitting the fan this week?
Apologies if I’ve missed it on one or more unread threads.
Tks.
jayt @ 72
Is there some way that we females, as a species, can make it up to you? To be deprived of a classic Rocky and Bullwinkle item….too much to bear
egregious @ 68
Let’s revise that. Cornell produced: Vonnegut, egregious, Olbermann, Coulter. Which of these does not belong :)
Waccamaw @ 82
Lots of lovely indictments with the name Stevens at the top. Ahhhhh.
Next: Don Young, of Abramoff scandal fame. Ready to take him down and elect Diane Benson who brought a long time incumbent winger into the mid 50’s in the ‘06 election in her first race as an unknown. This time she intends to win. And I am so there for her. She will be the first Native American woman in Congress. I’m Cherokee and she is not, but I think we can overlook these small matters :)
peanutbutter @ 70
Will do. It’s past time for a round-up! What fun!
msmolly @ 14
I thought I could give you a few websites that might help:
Urban dictionary
Acronym finder
Most of your questions will be answered if you bookmark these sites and use them liberally, along with the wiki dictionary which also has some acronyms, etc. The one that comes up here specifically is EPU, which stands for Evil Parallel Universe, who you may meet here from time to time. He used to be a lot more talkative though, but he kept being left alone at the bottom of the post, hence the acronym. I don’t know why he doesn’t communicate as much as he used to anymore. I’ve asked, but either folks don’t know, or won’t say. It has been proffered that maybe we offended him/her in some way, but I have no idea how.
Eli, I remember it fondly… it is just as pertinent now, as then…!!! Doubly so…???
VictorLaszlo @ 65
No, it’s hard to accept. As when BillO/Rush/etc. accuse Media Matters of “taking quotes out of context” when MM provides very full transcripts.
You just keep doing it and doing it. You peel off the small handfull that decides to go look once in awhile.
Whatever you do, you don’t stoop to their level. After all, these are people who campaigned on the promise to be better than Clinton, and now, everything they do, they end up saying “Clinton did it too” (even when he didn’t).
Real political change is a long slow process. The good news is that these assholes spent 40 or 50 years getting to this point (starting with the John Birch Society) and they have no arguments left except to scream the old ones louder and louder.
CTuttle @ 88
I’m afraid it will be pertinent for a very long, long time…
GordonM @ 89
That’s about right. I don’t believe for a second that the media is simply lazy or shallow or incompetent. If that were all there was to it, they would occasionally err or slant in favor of the left, and That. Never. Happens.
Eli @ 33
Don’t know! Has it ever happened yet? Recently?
eg -
*Which* stevens?
Pulleeeeeze let it be the elder!
Monk @ 40
I call bullshit on MM’s “anonymous email”. She had to have written it herself. she doesn’t really believe she beat out Ann Coulter’s Jew slur for America’s Next Top Beeyotch. So she’s gotta give them a little extra.
And I do hope the Frosts are coping well with this crap and are planning to file a suit for slander and/or libel. (I always forget which is which). IANAL but it has malicious intent and then some.
Nice post Eli. Gotta run.
CUBY (see you, bye)
Ann in AZ @ 92
Probably not. They’re too busy smacking down the netroots. Much easier to get press for that.
Valley Girl @ 84
Revised further: which one of these does not belong?
Heh. Thks & CUBY, CCM.
Waccamaw @ 93
Your fondest wish has been granted [fairy dust sprinkled]
rwcole, who is your candidate, if you care to share? I know I’m in the minority here supporting Hillary. I just think you can’t accomplish anything if you don’t get elected, and Hill is the toughest of the dems. And I think she will turn this country around in ten minutes!
egregious @ 83
Yeah, nothing up OUR sleeves!
egregious @ 83
wow, eg – gotta put on the lawyer hat for a moment – don’t ever ask such such a loaded question – there are way too many improper answers…
I’ll settle for sympathy for my lost T-shirt – do I get points for being a (temporary) gentleman?
Eli @ 90
Where’s Ben Franklin’s influence now, Rupert seems to be the antithesis of Ben!!!
And Waccamaw I am hearing thru the grapevine truly astonishing things going on in North Carolina. You guys are gonna bring it blue for sure.
Kudos to you and to my long time correspondent BMuse/Southern Dem, who was inspirational in getting me involved in politics beyond my own state.
do-si-do @ 101
This trick never works!
Waccamaw @ 82
I haven’t been around much either. last weekend – getting food out of the ground and stored. This weekend – getting ready for snow.
The fan remains shit-free in terms of new indictments. I’ll be setting up a blogspot-type page this coming week. A week from Monday, former state representative Vic Kohring goes on trial in the next round of the VECO GOP corruption epic. I’ll be live-blogging it with a friend named Fred James, who thinks Vic is totally innocent and was framed by the Feds and the liberal media. I think Vic is a fraud and a petty crook, so this will be interesting. I’m wondering how we can do it. If we split every half hour of coverage – he takes 30 minutes, I take 30 – it will be really weird.
jayt @ 72
As someone who (on adult reflection) realized that his warped (progressive) worldview was profoundly shaped by Rocky and Bullwinkle, you have my utmost sympathies. (Emma Peel had something to do with it, too.)
I wish everyone on the left would just ignore Michelle Malkin. Why does everyone give her so much attention? She needs to be left to stew her juices with the rightnuts.
I really think the left is feeding her notoriety.
Loo Hoo. @ 108
It’s like they’re *all* trolls.
Just because it’s Friday night and I’m still (mostly) on vacation from the world..
Speaking of traditional media, how ’bout a blast from the past?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOr_gQD3-NI
I am gross and perverted
I’m obsessed ‘n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I’m the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you
I may be vile and pernicious
But you can’t look away
I make you think I’m delicious
With the stuff that I say
I’m the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I’m the slime oozin’ out
From your TV set
You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don’t need you
Don’t go for help . . . no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold
That’s right, folks . . .
Don’t touch that dial
Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin’ along on your livin’ room floor
I am the slime from your video
Can’t stop the slime, people, lookit me go
I am the slime from your video
Oozin’ along on your livin’ room floor
I am the slime from your video
Can’t stop the slime, people, lookit me go
ET we are counting on you for reports from the future Blue Alaska.
Keep us in the loop about the Benson campaign. I feel very optimistic about this one.
And totally GO YOU on live blogging the trial there. You are setting a good example for all of us.
Loo Hoo. @ 108
some things really are too much tho
Loo Hoo. @ 108
‘Cause she’s the gift that keeps on giving, ditto, KKKoulter…!!! ;-)
I am trying to find some sort of schedule for Naomi Wolf and coming up with zilch. Anyone know if she shows up in the NYC Metropolitian area. I really would like to attend.
We are top heavy with authentic politicians. Republicans AND Democrats. Not many states-persons. At least at the national level.
Loo Hoo,
I voted for Edwards last time and probably will again- I like Richardson’s background but he doesn’t seem to be going anywhere.
Hillary seems like a very competent person- Bill was pretty level headed on a policy level as I recall- and I suppose she would be too.
I don’t see her as an evil gooper in drag- although I confess that some of her votes make me scratch my head.
I think she’d be a good president.
Ed*ard Teller @ 106
I wonder if Jane would give you a spot. Highly unusual, I know, but we’re all watching. Scandal is the republican congressperson’s middle name. And I love to see it exposed!
Elliott @ 112
I agree loohoo, but an ######## family needs a little support here. Otherwise throw the bucket of water on her and be done with it. I did so enjoy Tweety slapping her around re Kerry’s record. That’s the only time I’ve seen her on TV. I do ignore but I’m not ignoring the Frosts or sick kids. ;)
GordonM @ 107
It’s where I learned my Russian accent LOL.
The first visit over there the woman who met me said “Hi, I’m Natasha. Boris couldn’t make it” and I was so stupefied and sleep deprived I wondered if I was indeed in a cartoon.
egregious @ 119
She… was joking, right?
Loo Hoo. @ 108
Couldn’t agree with you more Loo Hoo and appreciate you pointing this out.
Anderson Cooper on CNN is reporting on the newest addition to the NO-FLY list-Gen. Rick Sanchez.
“A nightmare with no end in sight.” Sanchez is revving up. He knows the best strategy is to ATTACK! He also has a reputation to save. The Generals commanding in Iraq have all failed their missions. But more imprtantly, they have failed their soldiers and their Constitution.
The mission of the Loyal Bushies is a permanent military occupation in Iraq. Blood for Oil. Damn, I have a new anti war ally in Sanchez. It is bad enough to have Sally Field join the anti-neoconservative crusade.
mui @ 114
She was on KGO radio in SF today – I missed it but knew she was there.
egregious @ 119
Thanks. That may be my first laugh this week. I needed that.
Frank33 @ 122
Get out!!!
Sanchez also said that we’re stuck in a shit situation in Iraq and that it’s not possible to leave without creating chaos in the whole region.
jayt @ 102
considering the grievous loss, yes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 115
OKK, which republican candidate is authentic?
mui @ 125
Ohhh yes.
eg -
OMG!!!! Two pieces of good news in one day!
I shall go consult the google in hopes of elaboration; c.a.n.n.o.t imagine how I missed that on one of the other blogs.
Loo Hoo…
Gotta give you credit for sticking by your candidate.
Twain @ 123
I am already to buy a book for me and my friend and take the day to go if she shows up in NYC.
I’m sorely disappointed with this logic… “profoundly shaped by Rocky and Bullwinkle, you have my utmost sympathies. (Emma Peel had something to do with it, too.)”
Hmmm… I thought the Lake was above such analogies… Cartoons??? 8-)
Eli @ 120
No, her name was Natasha and her husband Boris hadn’t been able to meet me at the airport. This was my introduction to the bizarre world that is Russia.
Moose and Squirrel discuss Global Warming (my toast to Mr. Gore today)
Gore isn’t gonna run – nor should he.
The person saddled with the presidency in 2008 is doomed to be a one-termer. There’s just too much out there, which needs to be rectified, for any person to attempt to tackle and still look good in 2012. IMO, running for prez in 2008 is suicidal. Gore would be better served to throw his hat into the 2012 race.
Loo Hoo. @ 117
That’s kind, Loo Hoo. I suspect blogging about a trial of a corrupt bastard with a friend who thinks the former is a saint will be a rare experience. Fred’s an excellent writer, and we love to argue, so I suspect some of the stuff will filter over to fdl by way of me letting pups know wazzup. I predict some amazing, unrehearsed humor…
GordonM @ 124
Happy to help.
egregious @ 134
Awesome. If you ever get a chance, you should see Spalding Gray’s Monster In A Box. His description of his visit to Russia is absolutely hysterical.
Loo Hoo. @ 128
Authentically crazy?
CTuttle @ 133
Well if Jon Stewart can label President Frat Boy a “cartoon villain” it’s good enough for us!
Loo Hoo. @ 128
The view here is that all Republicans are authentic pols. When I call an elected official a “politician”, it is pejorative.
Eli @ 139
Poor Spaulding Gray.
mui @ 143
Amen. That was very sad.
Ed*ard Teller @ 137
((((((((((LOU HOO & ED*WARD TELLER))))))))))
jayt @ 136
Primary, Hill’s cleavage, err… Okole, outta there…!!! 8-)
eg -
Nothing current to this week; just seems to be the soso news. :-(
mui @ 114
Naomi visited FDL yesterday or earlier today — and somewhere in these comments she gives email address or how to contact her — I think you can find her and her schedule from information she shares.
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/12187/
CTuttle @ 133
Well howddily diddly neighborino!
Eli @ 129
Well how many are there left standing who say they have no responsibility over Abu Ghraib. Karpinksky > Sanchez > ? > Rumsfeld > Chimp.
egregious @ 119
707!
GordonM @ 149
Mmm… Emma Peel…
egregious @ 134
What fun!
I wish all you rabid lambs would lay off poor Jim Marshall.
I’m sure with SCHIP he just made a mistake. We should cut him some slack since I’m not sure he’s ever recovered from the last time he went the “wrong way.” (youtube)
Curious in Central Texas @ 148
Thanks I looked.
mui @ 150
Um…what’s the “no fly” list?
mui @ 150
I’m hoping that impeachment is off the table only so that criminal charges can stand in ‘09. Without any clues as to what the democrats have on them. Am I Pollyanna?
Eli @ 139
Will do.
Eli @ 152
That was an appropriate cite, it’s the cartoonish bent in the Lake’s analogies, sports is a more apropo analogy, considering Politics is a contact sport…!!! 8-)
Loo Hoo. @ 157
Yes. Especially if another Clinton is Prez ;)
Her positions are polymorphous.
CTuttle @ 159
Well, it was intended more as a Simpsons idiom call-and-response. Plus I really like Emma Peel.
Loo Hoo. @ 157
yes, you are. But who didn’t love Pollyanna’s courage?
misplaced as your is…
Waccamaw @ 147
Patience…we are gonna win big in NC. I am so happy with how the Kissell campaign is going.
Eli @ 161
*sigh* So do I!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 159
sure you feel that way when it’s 3-10
Elliott @ 165
I’m certainly in a benevolent mood…!!! 8-)
Loo Hoo. @ 157
This is going to sound harsh, so please take in the spirit in which it’s offered.
But your candidate, along with a bunch of other candidates, have enabled a whole pile of this fuckery. What hope is there that anyone will be leveled for crimes, when the party in charge (assuming a Democrat is elected President) has blood on their hands also?
CTuttle @ 166
OH SURE YOU ARE! it’s 3-10
bonkers @ 160
I’m still confused.
In general, polymorphism describes multiple possible states for a single property (it is said to be polymorphic, or polymorphous).
Polymorphism may specifically refer to:
* Polymorphism (biology), having multiple alleles of a gene within a population, usually expressing different phenotypes;
* Polymorphism (biophysics) also referred to as Lipid polymorphism, the property of amphiphiles that gives rise to various aggregations of lipids;
* Type polymorphism, allowing program code to work with various types
o Polymorphism in object-oriented programming;
* Polymorphic code, self-modifying program code designed to defeat anti-virus programs;
* Polymorphism (materials science), the ability of a solid material to exist in more than one form or crystal structure;
* Polymorphism (botany), the ability of a plant to produce both quiescent and dormant seeds.
Loo Hoo. @ 157
No, (almost) everyone else is Pollyanna. You’re just naive :-).
Gore is our first choice for president. We will at this point support Edwards. Should Mr. Gore not come in.
CTuttle,
truth is, I haven’t a clue who’s on any of these teams.
Blood loyalty requires fealty to the Indians, and the brother & LL are going for the Rockies, so me too.
Loo Hoo. @ 169
her positions take many forms.
do-si-do @ 156
Allow me. I was on it from 1998 to 2000 for being a person who repeatedly flew back and forth alone between our country and our former enemy. It involves checkin agents looking at their computer screen and going OMG and looking at me and asking me to turn over my passport and waiting for an hour or more.
Then I was allowed to board once they made sure there was a US marshall aboard who would ensure that I as a humble humanitarian whose only goal was to save lives and work for peace would not somehow be a threat to the plane full of people.
At first I was insulted and angry but then I realized, well, (1) my charity is now large enough they feel the need to investigate me, and (2) they have quotas to meet just like the cops who have to bring in a certain number of speeding tickets. So why be offended. They are just doing their jobs.
The clumsy investigations of other agencies I will spare you until a future thread.
newtonusr @ 167
OK. She did vote in favor of the war. I remember thinking at that time that I didn’t know what I would do. It was all so freaking scary at that time. Do you think that she voted in favor of the war knowing what we all know now? Do you think that she intended for this president to execute it so dismally?
And for the megacorps, she’s polyamorous -
She puts out for all of them.
Of course, when her chief campaign adviser spends his life pandering for the megacorps, no suprise.
egregious @ 163
Starting donating last year and already sent some this year; need to remember to write another check end of this month. Is it Diane who’s from his district?
Loo Hoo. @ 174
Loo Hoo, with all due respect, any one who knew anything about the Middle East at the time of the vote thought that this was a seriously bad idea. Really, I don’t care about the idea the the President might have “executed” it so dismally. It was a pernicious idea from the get go, based on lies and deceptions. A lose-lose situation. I knew it would turn out badly. I just didn’t anticipate the magnitude of the disaster.
egregious @ 134
Hi eg:
I’m going back to petersburg on the 23rd.
Always a surprise awaits and I’m always still amazed that I’m actually there.
It is still sort of surreal to see the oligarchs spending their money at the cafes and the women with little kids eating out of dumpsters behind the restaurants.
I usually come home feeling very privileged.
topic: Authenticity ?
examples of FAKERS:
Larry Craig
Mark Foley
David Vitter
Jeff Gannon
Duke Cunningham
Ken Lay (Enron)
Bob Ney (Ohio)
Michael Brown (fema)
Katherine Harris (fla)
Ted Haggard (col)
…
…
…
gonzo
condi
rummy
cheney
shrub
Republicans:
The Party of Frauds.
Party of Real Leadership?
Democrats
do-si-do @ 156
It is a list of terrorists who are not allowed on commercial air flights.
The NO-FLY List also includes dead people and heads of countries. Also, if your name is Robert Johnson, you may be on the list.
Many of us common folks outside of government knew what Bush was pulling when he went to Iraq. And we knew it wouldn’t end well. We didn’t phony… or good intel to know that. I am weary of the argument that the pols who voted to give Bush his way, use so constantly. ‘If only I knew what I know now.’ And what about Kyl-Lieberman. Give me a break!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 180
ditto that, okk.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 180
I’m with you. We’re so quick to fall for it all over again.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 180
No-one could have anticipated that Dubya would be a dishonest, bloodthirsty sociopath.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 180
About sums it up for me.
Loo Hoo. @ 174
It’s OK to be scared and confused (as Shock Doctrine explains, this was part of the plan), but did at any point did you think Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 and was a threat to us? Certainly Hillary should not have believed that.
I think she should’ve understood what Shrub and crew would do with the authorization. She’s spent many years in DeeCee at the highest level and must understand the military-industrial complex as well as anyone.
These things were so blatantly obvious even back then that it really makes me wonder if she’s “in on the game.” Especially with her continued insistance that it was right at the time.
Eli @ 184
That is not what I said.
Arrgh, Gagne!!! 10-3 Final…!!! 8-)
I hate to say this, because I don’t really believe in it, but it may be necessary to seriously intimidate the other side by falsely accusing them of stuff and making it stick by intimidating the media who refuse to play along.
That is the game they play, and unless they are convinced that we can play it, they will feel free to smear us with every bogus thing they can dream up. Yes, I agree that we have all the non-bogus shit that we need. But they need to feel that we have the power to make non-bogus shit stick. There is nothing quite so demoralizing.
Loo Hoo. @ 174
3 years ago, I told an interested Gooper that I’d work my feet raw campaignng for Hillary. But she has aligned herself with some pretty heady trash. Campaign advisers who bash unions, Roger Ailes, Newt, flag-burning opponents, and the Dems in the Senate (most of them, anyway).
And her answers to questions about AUMF piss me off. They are purely defensive.
I’ll support her in luke-warm fashion if nominated.
bonkers @ 186
My take on it was that she simply wanted to be on the right side of the bandwagon. And God forbid anyone should accuse her of being soft on terror/defense.
Frank33 @ 181
That’s because he’s been dead for more than a half century, though you wouldn’t know that by listening to him.
Valley Girl @ 182
Oklahoma Ditto.
Valley Girl @ 177
I remember considering all of the horrible things that could happen too. I remember knowing that Hussein didn’t have anything to do with 9/11 then. Hillary certainly had the contacts to know what was up. Why do you (and other pups) think she voted to give Fuckface the authority to attack Irak? Do you guys think she like death?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 187
No, it’s what the Democrats said.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 187
okk, I think it was obvious to the rest of us who replied to your comment that that is not what you said. Maybe eli was indulging in inappropriate snark.
Eli @ 184
In 2000 I clearly remember consoling my cousin with the words “Well we lived through eight years of Ronald Reagan…”
How we could get ourselves to this disastrous point is beyond me. I mean he got a second term, for God’s sake
The Senator’s vote on Iraq. Clinton’s vote on Kyl-Lieberman. The Senator’s close association with the DLC. The fact that Clinton gets much of her campaign money from the same interests as does Lieberman and her history of triangulation, and avoiding hard questions do not facilitate me feeling comfortable voting for Hillary in the primaries.
Loo Hoo. @ 100
i will support your candidate against
ANY republican.
Loo Hoo. @ 194
No, I don’t think she likes death. I think she was protecting her political backside, and her corporate donors, as usual. I think she was doing her usual triangulation.
Loo Hoo – this isn’t aimed at anyone but Hil. We have other candidates, and one who I hope will jump in. Mr. Gore can do this particular job better than anyone.
He is supremely qualified, as is Mr. Edwards and Mr. Dodd, IMO. Hillary, not so much.
Valley Girl @ 196
Perhaps he was. I take no offense. ;0)
BTW
Erik Prince of Blackwater will be on Charlie Rose tonight.
Regarding the top post:
Republicans have learned that whatever your weakest characteristic is, accuse your opponent of it, even though there’s not a scrap of evidence for it.
The Democrats have been letting Republicans get away with phoniness for too long. When they lie, we should not resort to vague euphemisms or legal technicalities, we should call them liars, plain and simple. When they act like mean-spirited, cold hearted beasts, that is exactly what we should call them– over and over again. Of course, these labels must always be accurate, but direct. Let’s call a spade a spade.
Bob in HI
newtonusr @ 190
I’m a union member, newtonusr. Got links?
wigwam @ 189
What’s funny is that we don’t have to “falsely accuse” anybody of anything. All we have to do is repeat the TRUTHS of Repube malfeasance…constantly and loudly. We have to stop backing down and worrying about how the media will portray us.
The Truth with set us free!
And, Hillary has previously said that torture is okay under certain circumstances. Not a view I agree with. Disagree on both from moral and practical perspective.
Loo Hoo. @ 194
No. I think she was intimidated, like the rest.
wigwam @ 189
De-moralizing is exactly what you are describing. I refuse to let the misdeeds of someone else define my moral behavior.
Good night from Lahoma and me.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 210
Buenos noches
Elliott @ 197
I was far less wise. I was sure that he’d be a one-term phenomenon. And I was doubly sure that if no WMDs were found in Iraq, he’d surely not get a second term. Well there were no WMDs in Iraq, but he got his second term. And shortly after that news of Abu Ghraib broke.
wigwam @ 212
i still .can.not.believe. he got a second term.
wigwam @ 189
No. As I said back here you can’t do that.
You are not the same kind of shit they are. If you try, they will make you pay, pay, pay. Speak the truth. Speak it plainly, loudly, clearly. Ridicule is OK, but do not make stuff up. Play hard, but play by the rules. If you don’t, for 20 years, they will accuse you (as Eli said) of being just like them. And you will never, ever win at that game. After all, all you can offer is reality, while they offer any and all kinds of fantasy.
Evening everyone.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 210
Nite, OKK, I assume you’re not from Muskogee…!!! ;-)
GordonM @ 214
All we NEED is reality.
Here’s a reverse case of Repugs trying to make A Democrat sound like a Lib’ral even though it was a pretty Republican approach.
Hillary suggested that parents be given a tax credit to be put away for kids to eventually receive the invested money at age 18 for education or other purposes (she suggested a similar tax credit that people could use for 401K accounts OF THEIR CHOICE).
The Repugs screamed that she was “raising taxes”.
Lemme see…tax credits are “tax cuts”…and these were going to be rograms that actually gave the recipients far more leeway in where and how they were invested than the proposed Dubya “Let’s Destroy Social Security” Private Investment Accounts. Yep! Those accounts would have been restricted to a handful of funds, and could not have been drawn upon until retirement, and even then only in monthly allocations (the rest to be placed in an Equity Account).
So when it comes to tax cuts to the Middle Class the Pugs call these “Tax Increases”. Maybe they realize that, ultimately, the vast deficit created by the Bush Administration is going to have to be paid off by somebody? And by offering tax cuts to the Middle Class…who were proportionately denied the vast handbacks during the Dubya era, they will have to be paid off by an increase of the taxes on the wealthy. Tax increases!
Ya think!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 198
And there’s the association with Haim Saban.
Saban is an Israeli multimillionair who has raised somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 million dollars for Hillary and who is quoted as saying: “I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Isreal.” He funded the Saban Center for Mideast Policy at the Brookings Institution. Its director is Martin Indyk, Bill Clinton’s mideast advisor. It’s research director is Kenneth Pollack, author of The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq, (Random House, 2002, ISBN 0-375-50928-3). (Per the Wikipedia, “A U.S. government indictment alleges that Pollack provided information to former American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) employees Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman during the AIPAC espionage scandal.”) And among its affiliate members is Michael O’Hanlon, who together with Pollack made a trip to Iraq and published an infamous NYT op-ed, “A war we just might win,” upon their return.
Both Indyk and O’Hanlon are listed among her advisors. IIRC, Glenn Greenwald suggested that O’Hanlon might be in line for a cabinet post.
newtonusr @ 201
I totally agree. But can they stand up against the steamroller headed their way? I think Hillary is the only one one on our side who has shown the ability to knock them silly. Dead.
Hi Ron. I’m back and Bill Maher is on. Starting out with SCHIPP…
Republicans: Let sick kids know that we are sick of them.–Maher
Loo Hoo. @ 174
These twenty-three Senators knew not to vote for it:
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)
What stopped Hillary from knowing what they knew? Wasn’t it just blind ambition on her part? It might have gone well and quickly — and how foolish would she look for voting against it.
Elliott says
October 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
i still .can.not.believe. he got a second term.
It took a very special, umm, talent.. to lose that election.
On a personal note, it also took a very special kinda incompetence to lose the Mike Tyson trial.
Another story, for another time.
new thread
Maher: wrt Nobel prize, Bush says that the Swedes are with the terrorists.
yellowdog jim @ 179
*spelling correction
cinnamonape @ 218
Owmybrain.
Maybe their brains couldn’t compute the idea that anything proposed by a Democrat with the word “tax” in it was *not* an increase.
jayt @ 222
wait a minute there…
how about a little bit more on that last tidbit? You’re sure to be EPU’d anyway
bobschacht @ 204
Hello!
I’m an Edwards guy-but I would rather have HRC appointing judges for the next 8 years than any Republican I can think of.
RonD @ 229
That about sums it up for me.
Eli @ 184
Well, how could we?
he is so down home; so authenitic!
He’d been such a little puppydog cupcake of a governor here for 6 years.
He was such a charmer:
Who knew?
that ol’ Compassionate Conservatism.
it’s not our fault.
/snark
Elliott @ 213
Ditto.
RonD @ 230
But I’d much rather have President Edwards put Hillary Clinton on the Supreme Court.
TeddySanFran @ 234
that is a most excellent idea!
brilliant
greenwarrior @ 226
thanks GW!
TeddySanFran @ 233
I’d rather have President Edwards put, well, someone else on the Supreme Court.
TeddySanFran @ 234
excellent
Eli @ 237
Okay!
who ya got?
Eli @ 237
I think she’d be good there, unfettered by special interest influence.
yellowdog jim @ 238
Hell if I know. I’m pretty sure he could find a judge more liberal than Hillary, though.
Elliott @ 239
I dunno, it seems like kind of a gamble to me. For a lifetime appointment, I’d rather have someone with a long track record of good rulings.
Loo Hoo. @ 205
yes
flags
Newt
Looking for the rest…
I’m not plugging for Hillary….but I don’t think that the She can’t win ’cause “Right Wing Extremists won’t vote for her” carries much weight.
Here is a poll in late September from ABC/Washington Post that shows that Hillary actually has one of the LOWEST negatives of any of the candidates running.
“If [see below] wins the Democratic/Republican nomination for president would you definitely vote for him/her in the general election for president in 2008, would you consider voting for him/her or would you definitely not vote for him/her?”
ç Not Unsure
% % % %
Hillary Clinton
9/27-30/07
30
28
.
“If [see below] wins the Democratic/Republican nomination for president would you definitely vote for him/her in the general election for president in 2008, would you consider voting for him/her or would you definitely not vote for him/her?”
Hillary Clinton Definitely Would Not 41%
John Edwards Definitely Would Not 43%
Barack Obama Definitely Would Not 39%
So Really ALL the Democratic contenders have about equal hard core opposition, given statistical error.
Now lets look at the contending Republican candidates and their “hard-core” opposition.
Rudy Giuliani Definitely Would Not 44%
John McCain Definitely Would Not 45%
Mitt Romney Definitely Would Not 57%
Fred Thompson Definitely Would Not 54%
Thus the Republican candidates all have higher “Negatives” than Hillary. And only Obama is marginally better, though equal in statistical terms, amongst the Democrats. Even more interesting is that Hillary has actually made major advances against her “Negatives” since April, while all the other candidates have lost ground as the debates and campaign has continued.
And those Republicans that have “Negatives” close to Hillary and the Democrats (Giuliani and McCain) have far fewer positive “supporters”.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm
cinnamonape @ 243
Heh. ‘Cuz all the other Democrats have the right-wing extremist vote all sewn up.
I think the campaign will be a lot uglier if it’s Hillary, but that’s not sufficient reason.
c’ape, the turnout is the key on the haters, though. I think they’d drive over their grandmothers to vote against Hill; with anyone else, not so much. So I don’t trust those negativity polls. jmho
Monk @ 40
Funny how this “commentor” gets to preserve his anonymity (”coward”) while expressing his political views while the Frosts are vilified. At the very least this guy could use his REAL NAME and allow his FAMILY to be dragged through the mud!
newtonusr @ 243
The rest.
union buster
do-si-do @ 94
The “anonymous” email (doesn’t Malkin check her “sources”…she of the great Phony Iraqi policeman, phony soldiers searches) couldn’t be a neighbor who is INFORMED about the issue. The email AGAIN raises the issue of the kids going to Private Schools…any REAL NEIGHBOR of the Frosts would know that the kids went on SCHOLARSHIPS, some of which were paid for by COMMUNITY FUNDRAISERS!
Malkin and her ilk simply “create” these posts filled with lies and distortions…just like she did by claiming Kerry shot himself to get the wound which resulted in shrapnel being taken out of his leg. Not a BULLET, mind you, but SHRAPNEL. John Kerry must be a ballistics expert non-pareil to fire off his weapon against something so that, instead of getting seriously injured he only received a shrapnel wound.
This woman is a compulsive liar and extremely pathological psychotic who “fashions” a reality that is beyond bizarre.
Elliott @ 213
He didn’t get a second term, he stole it (voter caging, screwy voting machines, etc.)
Eli @ 245
Exactly. None of the Democratic candidates will win over the right-wing “Hillary haters” either. And they will mobilize against Edwards and Obama as well, though for different reasons. There are lots of reasons for people not to support Hillary in the Primaries, but the argument that she can’t win in the General election is one of the weakest IMO.
And the criticism that Hillary is a “flip-flopper”? Heck, isn’t the fact that she responds to criticism by changing her opinions a 180 degree turnabout when compared to the current regime? I know that I’d prefer someone who is ideological correct 100% of the time and never had to change their views…but the fact that she will modify her positions (which always are a lot more nuanced anyway than what we see in the MSM versions) is to me a GOOD THING!
I AM concerned about some of her votes that gave Bush/Cheney the “foot in the door” in Iraq (and possibly in Iran…although the insanity of such an attack under current Force levels would be obvious). In Iraq Bush at least had a vast military to pull off the INVASION (though not the occupation). I’m wondering if the Kyl Resolution was supported to make Bush/Cheney do something that TRIGGERS an impeachment? Hillary stated that the Resolution is in no way an authorization. If true, if Bush attacks Iran will she back that up by stating that his actions constitute an Unconstitutional Declaration of War? Is this a game of “chicken” being played out?
And regarding the Supreme Court…some here have supported a Ron Paul Presidency, which I feel would end up putting several anti-Choice Federalists on the Court. Hillary would never allow such people anywhere in the process!
egregious @ 68
I thought that Olbermann went to Oberlin? Oh…that was Stalkin’ Malkin and her Ghost-Writing Hubbie!
OT:
OT CT!
“…Mitt Romney, a non-Christian…” belongs to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Makes him just as much a christian as anyone else who believes in Jesus Christ as god.
egregious @ 68
Ann Coulter, Bill Maher