Al . . .

Jane!

Gore

Edwards ‘08!

Am I the only FDL reader is weary of dollar democracy? Of always being asked to donate to candidates?

I want these critters to pledge to get private money out of politics completely.

You want to support someone? Find barter ways.. give your time, write an op ed, Let’s get money out of politics. Public financing 100%

Jane!

Well, I guess Dodd’s still my candidate right now, even if MLB made him drop the contribution/raffle for the ALCS game seats.

I just have to blame them for costing me the Dream Date!

Total bummer. :}(

Once you’ve read this, you’ll want to vote for me.

http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....yukon.html

Every word of it is true.

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SufiLizard @ 74

Toby Wollin @ 69

I could not read after this:
“(Bush says)We have lost sight of what it means to be a nation willing to be aggressive in the world…”
No, George, we are very very aware now of what it means to be a nation which is willing to be aggressive in the world.
And we don’t like it at all.
It means that we’ve turned ourselves into a bunch of people who support thuggery against defenseless people thousands of miles away..simply because they don’t look like us, act like us or worship like us.
Thanks George. You guys have been doing a heck of a job for our self-esteem.

Sort of OT:

Since it looks like we’re ginning up a war with Iran, I thought it would be appropriate to take a look at the Persian culture.

Long before Islam, the Persian Empire was dominantly of the Zoroastrian religion. That religion was arguably the predecessor to later Christian and Islamic (and even Jewish) theology that supposed the duality of one God and one Devil.

In Zoroastrianism, their God was known as Ahura-Mazda, The God of Light. Their “devil” was known as Ahriman, or the God of Darkness. In their view, all of history was a battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness. Ahriman’s minions of darkness were demons and human collaborators who persisted in “evil” behaviors and were constantly preventing humanity from living in harmonious peace.

That’s all off the top of my head, so feel free to correct me if I have some of the details wrong, but that’s a very rough summary of the religion of early Persia.

It occurred to me that we often have trouble finding an accurate label for the neo-cons, conservatives, neo-liberals, fascists, etc.

Perhaps just putting them under the umbrella of Ahriman would be appropriate.

I think you should take out “other” for the purpose of this poll since most of us want gore

I’m gonna make a pick even though “other” would have been my choice

All these votes already and no comments??

Why isn’t Al Gore on this poll? He’s my pick, first and foremost. As a second choice, I’m vacillating between Edwards and Dodd at this point. Either of them or any of the other Dem candidates would do as VP, but my favorite VP choice would be Howard Dean.

edwards. if gore runs, then gore/edwards

hillary is a competent republican. obama shows nothing. richardson claims experience in dealing with “bad guys” but during the debates, he’s all bluster and no substance. dodd is actually very impressive. biden is very sharp- but maybe secdef secstate sharp. kucinich has all the right positions, but doesn’t have the jenesaisquois leadership quality. edwards has that post ‘00 gore quality, where he seems free to be himself and learned from past mistakes.

Gore is the only “other.”

peanutbutter @ 10

All these votes already and no comments??

There are far more readers of FDL than there are commenters. Think that maybe 1% of readers comment or so.

My current favourite is Gore. Not that he’s in the race yet, but it’s not like I’ll get a vote anyway. :o)

OK, I’ll bite: what’s the difference between “other” and “none of the above”?

I, for one, applaud all the work Gore’s done on climate change, but I don’t want him to run for president again. And I don’t think he’s going to.

Just for the record.

I voted for Gore this time. as in “other”

Professor Foland @ 16

OK, I’ll bite: what’s the difference between “other” and “none of the above”?

“none of the above” means more and better dems :)

Professor Foland @ 16

OK, I’ll bite: what’s the difference between “other” and “none of the above”?

Ditto.

lotta early Edwards support - will this thread could be kept open for a while?

Is this the first FDL poll? I have never seen one before.

First choice: other (meaning Gore). My next two would be Edwards and Dodd, not necessarily in that order. Clinton doesn’t do anything for me, and neither does Obama. No spark, no interest, no whatever-it-is that makes you want to vote for them.

scarlet p. @ 7

Once you’ve read this, you’ll want to vote for me.

http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....yukon.html

Every word of it is true.

And when you make the movie, who’s going to do the music?

perris @ 9

I think you should take out “other” for the purpose of this poll since most of us want gore

I’m gonna make a pick even though “other” would have been my choice

Other and none of the above provide two ways out of answering the question. Which of the available candidate choices is your favorite. To me, favorite can also mean the one I dislike the least. Not which do you think will win - which one is your favorite. I chose Kucinich cuz he’s my favorite.

Re: Gore run EUP’d

As for Hillary… all she needs to see is the amount of love that Nancy and Harry are getting from anyone who is actually paying attention to know that she might be the Female Howard Dean of the 2008 race; ahead at the clubhouse turn and losing it in the stretch.

All the policy papers, plans, and stuff she says can not overcome her obvious unwillingness to learn from her 2002 vote. Lieberman-Kyl: Oops, she did it again.

Professor Foland @ 16

OK, I’ll bite: what’s the difference between “other” and “none of the above”?

“Other” probably does mean Gore,” or if they Red State folks lay off picking their faces and stop by it gives them a chance to cast a vote for Rudy or Grandpa Fred. “None of the above” means “I hate them all.”

SufiLizard @ 8

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SufiLizard @ 74

Sort of OT:

Since it looks like we’re ginning up a war with Iran, I thought it would be appropriate to take a look at the Persian culture.

Long before Islam, the Persian Empire was dominantly of the Zoroastrian religion. That religion was arguably the predecessor to later Christian and Islamic (and even Jewish) theology that supposed the duality of one God and one Devil.

In Zoroastrianism, their God was known as Ahura-Mazda, The God of Light. Their “devil” was known as Ahriman, or the God of Darkness. In their view, all of history was a battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness. Ahriman’s minions of darkness were demons and human collaborators who persisted in “evil” behaviors and were constantly preventing humanity from living in harmonious peace.

That’s all off the top of my head, so feel free to correct me if I have some of the details wrong, but that’s a very rough summary of the religion of early Persia.

It occurred to me that we often have trouble finding an accurate label for the neo-cons, conservatives, neo-liberals, fascists, etc.

Perhaps just putting them under the umbrella of Ahriman would be appropriate.

We can always count on you, SufiLizard, to bring enlightenment to the Lake. The lamps always look so nice twinkling across the water.

Toby Wollin @ 24

scarlet p. @ 7

Once you’ve read this, you’ll want to vote for me.

http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....yukon.html

Every word of it is true.

And when you make the movie, who’s going to do the music?

Hoping for a Brian Eno/Ennio Morriconi collaboration…

All the announced Democratic candidates are mere pretenders. At best they are right of center, status quo Democrats or at worst they are Republican lite. America needs radical reform, not just tweaking things around the edges. Less than radical progressive reform would be to merely slow the inevitable slide to fascism.

Why isn’t Al Gore on this poll?

Um, because he isn’t running?

That’s just a guess.

Right now I’m supporting Obama. I feel that the Democrats have a bona fide political star in Obama, and I do think it’s a little bit typical of my party to pick at his every vote, and every comment, and to not realize what we have. I’m old enough to remember JFK, and I see similarities in the intelligence and wit, and the ability to electrify a crowd. I think any one of the viable Democrats running would make a pretty good president. But I do think that Obama would be the person that could help lift us out of this national nightmare.

Ann in AZ @ 11

Why isn’t Al Gore on this poll? He’s my pick, first and foremost. As a second choice, I’m vacillating between Edwards and Dodd at this point. Either of them or any of the other Dem candidates would do as VP, but my favorite VP choice would be Howard Dean.

You and me too.

Edwards, Kucinich and Dodd are all on my radar — they are showing more leadership on issues than the others. I admit to not looking to deeply at Dodd issue-by-issue yet — more just a response to his recent actions.

Obama is still too much of an enigma and Hillary is too corporate for me to be fully behind either of them. Any of them will be better than what we have now — let alone the Republican candidates.

Wow! Dennis is ahead of Clinton and Obama? Awesome! It still looks like a long shot for Dennis, but imagine if Edwards chose Kucinich as his running mate… I like the sound of that. We need a scrappy little guy in the VP’s office who is not afraid of telling it like it is, but who is reasonable and good-hearted.

Edwards is my first choice, but Gore instantly moves into that slot if he declares.

My eyes are on Dodd, and I’m still open to Obama.

I’m okay with Clinton if the alternative is Julie Annie, the Mormon, or the Actor.

And I still say watch out for Huckabee.

scarlet p. @ 30

Toby Wollin @ 24

And when you make the movie, who’s going to do the music?

Hoping for a Brian Eno/Ennio Morriconi collaboration…

“A Fistful of Signs…”

I voted for Edwards but I also like Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich, and, of course, Gore.

TRex @ 32

Why isn’t Al Gore on this poll?

Um, because he isn’t running?

That’s just a guess.

I’d vote for Gore if he was running. Since the poll mentions ‘2008 candidates’…John Edwards.

Edwards.

I would vote for Edwards no matter who else is planning to run. Gotta go with the candidates I have v. the ones some here wish we had. :)

OT - why don’t the bushdogs support the constitution?

Get Pinned by Article 1.

gotta hit the road now - people of LA, keep an eye open this afternoon on the freeways.

I have to say that Huckabee might be the real dark-horse on the other side. He’s not a phony like Julie Annie, and he’s not as much of a creation as Trust-Fund Romney. He’s gonna have to bear watching, especially if the fundies turn the 9/11 cross-dresser down at their upcoming Tweakers for the Lawd festival.

tw3k @ 26

Re: Gore run EUP’d

which is thus;

Biodun @ 59

A Gore run won’t happen:

What are the odds that Al Gore enters the presidential race?

We put that question this morning to Karen Skelton, who served as Gore’s political director while he was vice president. Her response: “He will not run. Negative odds. He’s got all he needs. He’s a Nobel Prize winner, which means he’s being rewarded for following his passion successfully in a way that’s changed the world. His passion was never politics for the fight, it was for the cause.”

For what it’s worth, Time magazine’s Eric Pooley, who has spent “a good deal of time” with Gore this year, has come to the same conclusion.

I disagree

gore’s pasion is making a differance, yes, he is making a differance now, yes he has no passion for the political fight that would inundate him if he ran

but if he is the man I believe he is, he will not be able to deny what he might do for this country and what might happen to this country if he does not

my prediction;

if hilary falls gore runs

tw3k @ 26

Re: Gore run EUP’d

As far as I’m concerned, until he personally says “I’m not going to run for President”, he’s in.

BTW, and really just a nitpick, I get bothered by lists that are not alphabetical by last name. I dunno. I guess I read too much into it.

I get way more pissed off, though, if names are completely left off, like Gravel and Paul in their respective races. ;)

Tithonia @ 33

Right now I’m supporting Obama. I feel that the Democrats have a bona fide political star in Obama, and I do think it’s a little bit typical of my party to pick at his every vote, and every comment, and to not realize what we have. I’m old enough to remember JFK, and I see similarities in the intelligence and wit, and the ability to electrify a crowd. I think any one of the viable Democrats running would make a pretty good president. But I do think that Obama would be the person that could help lift us out of this national nightmare.

I actually think Obama has the real potential to be a major player in the future, but I’m concerned that the comments that he doesn’t have enough experience might actually be true.

He seems too easily swayed by beltway politics, even though I believe that his heart (and his ideals) are in the right place.

I think we’re awfully quick to label Dems spineless when in actuality they are just sell-outs. But with Obama, I think he has not sold out, but needs a little more time to strengthen that spine of his.

I think his politics of hope is the right track, but when it comes to the actual implementation, I think he would benefit from being tempered in the political fires a little longer.

Just MHO.

Edwards
Dodd
Richardson

Gore jumps to the top if he enters

Hooray for Dennis! I could vote my conscience if he were to win the primary…

Tithonia @ 33

Right now I’m supporting Obama. I feel that the Democrats have a bona fide political star in Obama, and I do think it’s a little bit typical of my party to pick at his every vote, and every comment, and to not realize what we have. I’m old enough to remember JFK, and I see similarities in the intelligence and wit, and the ability to electrify a crowd. I think any one of the viable Democrats running would make a pretty good president. But I do think that Obama would be the person that could help lift us out of this national nightmare.

I dislike his Hillary-style triangulating, waffling. I don’t like his bipartisan speechifying b/c I’m not ready to make nice. I don’t like that he likes Joe Leiberman and he didn’t support the Democratic candidate in CT. His voting record seems ok though. I agree, he is charismatic. You could be right.

I like Kucinich b/c I like the things he wants to do and the things he has to say. I especially like the idea of a real national health care plan like the EU and Canada has.

So howzabout that General Strike, 11/6/07….not too far away. Would take some big names encouraging it to make it happen….and combined efforts of the progressive alternative media. Jane, what do you think? Are you backing it? Are there folks who know the movers and shakers at MoveOn and other large-scale organizers that can help get this ball rolling in a big way??

There’s small community organizing and at-large, Community Organizing and we’ll need a lot of both if this is gonna happen…..

Um, does anyone else find the Gore discussion a little diminishing to the other fine and viable candidates who are running?

Nothing against Gore–but he’s not running at the moment.

Jane, I have a question about the S-Chip legislation. Terry Everett is my representative in the House, and his aide called me back today. He told me that there were two reasons Rep. Everett didn’t vote for this legislation. One: The income level was increased to $83,000 to be eligible (I think I read somewhere that this was bogus, but I can’t find the link). Two: It lowers the proof of citizenship requirements and there might be (*gasp*) illegal alien children!! who get health care. Off the top of your head, can you point me to the facts about the income requirements? If not, I’ll keep digging. Thanks.

I am pleased that this straw vote thing is giving people a chance to voice their preference.

do-si-do @ 48

BTW, and really just a nitpick, I get bothered by lists that are not alphabetical by last name. I dunno. I guess I read too much into it.

I get way more pissed off, though, if names are completely left off, like Gravel and Paul in their respective races. ;)

That gives preference to people who are at the top of the list. If you’re doing it each month I believe it’s more accurate if the names are rotated.

(Should have added, I know this is slightly OT, but…I’m for a democracy that a candidate can run IN)….

Professor Foland @ 16

OK, I’ll bite: what’s the difference between “other” and “none of the above”?

Well logically, “none of the above” defines a set of all other persons and may be empty. “Other” defines the same set but can not be empty.

perris @ 46

tw3k @ 26

Re: Gore run EUP’d

which is thus;

Biodun @ 59

A Gore run won’t happen:

I disagree

gore’s pasion is making a differance, yes, he is making a differance now, yes he has no passion for the political fight that would inundate him if he ran

but if he is the man I believe he is, he will not be able to deny what he might do for this country and what might happen to this country if he does not

my prediction;

if hilary falls gore runs

yeah but he’d have to get in before hill fails tho, no?

Thanks for posting that, I was too lazy :)

I’ve been trying to go to the site Naomi Wolf mentioned in her post, AmericanFreedom Campaign.org, and it keeps coming up as though it doesn’t exist. The only Google posting for it is the one mentioned here at FDL in her post.

So I noodled around, followed some other links and tah-dah! I finally found the link:

http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org/

SufiLizard @ 8

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SufiLizard @ 74

Sort of OT:

It occurred to me that we often have trouble finding an accurate label for the neo-cons, conservatives, neo-liberals, fascists, etc.

Perhaps just putting them under the umbrella of Ahriman would be appropriate.

The neo-cons call themselves and each other names like “Prince Darkness” (Richard Perle) and seem to take great pride in being a dark force bringing death and destruction.

mc @ 37

And I still say watch out for Huckabee.

He seems the same ole same ole. I see no evolution in his thinking.

Robert Morton @ 51

Hooray for Dennis! I could vote my conscience if he were to win the primary…

I really need him some more.

hackworth @ 52

Tithonia @ 33

Right now I’m supporting Obama. I feel that the Democrats have a bona fide political star in Obama, and I do think it’s a little bit typical of my party to pick at his every vote, and every comment, and to not realize what we have. I’m old enough to remember JFK, and I see similarities in the intelligence and wit, and the ability to electrify a crowd. I think any one of the viable Democrats running would make a pretty good president. But I do think that Obama would be the person that could help lift us out of this national nightmare.

I dislike his Hillary-style triangulating, waffling. I don’t like his bipartisan speechifying b/c I’m not ready to make nice. I don’t like that he likes Joe Leiberman and he didn’t support the Democratic candidate in CT. His voting record seems ok though. I agree, he is charismatic. You could be right.

I like Kucinich b/c I like the things he wants to do and the things he has to say. I especially like the idea of a real national health care plan like the EU and Canada has.

I absolutely love Dennis Kucinich. I love his intelligence and humor, too. I love that he stays in the race and brings his perspective to the debates. I don’t consider him a viable candidate, though.

Hugh @ 63

mc @ 37

And I still say watch out for Huckabee.

He seems the same ole same ole. I see no evolution in his thinking.

Well, he lost a lot of weight…

;-)

Gore jumps to the top if he enters…

I’d agree with that - but I’ve yet to see *any* sign whatsoever that he plans to do that…

And despite the fact that every presidential “quiz” I’ve taken shows Kucinich with a perfect score for me, I’m being realistic and voting elsewhere.

this is epu’d from downstairs and a froomkin post;

“(Bush says)We have lost sight of what it means to be a nation willing to be aggressive in the world…”

that is a madman talking

he thinks that because he has made war for no reason that now the country is willing to endorse unending war

he is mad, I am not a phsycologist but I am betting he this man is clynically insane

Since the media has hyped up the HRC winning by leaps and bounds, but I have seen no evidence in reality of this, could it be that it is being done to discourage Gore from entering?

SanderO @ 5

Am I the only FDL reader is weary of dollar democracy? Of always being asked to donate to candidates?

I want these critters to pledge to get private money out of politics completely.

You want to support someone? Find barter ways.. give your time, write an op ed, Let’s get money out of politics. Public financing 100%

No in many ways, I think it may be the most important single issue. Sara over at tnh had a great idea. Each registered voter has 2$ to contribute to the ?Presidential? election (I’m probably not doing justice to Sara’s idea). All the funds come from registered voters.

Well for the record. My first choice is Kucinich. He’s the only candidate whom I think is correct on every single issue. He’s the only candidate with a viable health care plan in my opinion.

My second choice is Edwards, though his health plan and comments about Iran have diminished my enthusiasm for him.

The rest of the candidates are sort of tied for third, with the exception of Hillary who is dead last.

I honestly think Gore can do more good in the private sector, and I think he’d have a tougher time winning in the general election if he did declare than some of the other Democratic candidates who are already declared. He’d win the Democratic primary easily, but I don’t think the rest of the electorate is as enamored of him as we dyed-in-the-wool progressives are.

Jane Hamsher @ 57

do-si-do @ 48

BTW, and really just a nitpick, I get bothered by lists that are not alphabetical by last name. I dunno. I guess I read too much into it.

I get way more pissed off, though, if names are completely left off, like Gravel and Paul in their respective races. ;)

That gives preference to people who are at the top of the list. If you’re doing it each month I believe it’s more accurate if the names are rotated.

Oh! exactly my point. I didn’t realize you were rotating them and posting this more than once. Thanks for setting me straight! *g*

Lindy @ 55

Jane, I have a question about the S-Chip legislation. Terry Everett is my representative in the House, and his aide called me back today. He told me that there were two reasons Rep. Everett didn’t vote for this legislation. One: The income level was increased to $83,000 to be eligible (I think I read somewhere that this was bogus, but I can’t find the link). Two: It lowers the proof of citizenship requirements and there might be (*gasp*) illegal alien children!! who get health care. Off the top of your head, can you point me to the facts about the income requirements? If not, I’ll keep digging. Thanks.

The $83,000 thing is bullshit:

http://www.factcheck.org/bushs.....rance.html

do-si-do @ 54

Um, does anyone else find the Gore discussion a little diminishing to the other fine and viable candidates who are running?

Nothing against Gore–but he’s not running at the moment.

I do not find the Gore discussion diminishing to the other fine and viable candidates who are running; although I think the other candidates are viable and certainly a huge improvement over what the Rethugs have to offer, I find them all inferior to Gore on several levels.

tw3k @ 65

Robert Morton @ 51

Hooray for Dennis! I could vote my conscience if he were to win the primary…

I really need him some more.

OT, but how do I have my Facebook link appear when I leave a comment? I’ll hazard a guess that my Website should be a link to my profile, but if that fails could someone clue me in? Thanks!

perris @ 68

this is epu’d from downstairs and a froomkin post;

“(Bush says)We have lost sight of what it means to be a nation willing to be aggressive in the world…”

that is a madman talking

he thinks that because he has made war for no reason that now the country is willing to endorse unending war

he is mad, I am not a phsycologist but I am betting he this man is clynically insane

Bush is starting to look weary and wild-eyed. Like a despot who lives and breathes and is intoxicated by his own emissions.

He is bonkers.

-GSD

GSD @ 76

perris @ 68

this is epu’d from downstairs and a froomkin post;

that is a madman talking

he thinks that because he has made war for no reason that now the country is willing to endorse unending war

he is mad, I am not a phsycologist but I am betting he this man is clynically insane

Bush is starting to look weary and wild-eyed. Like a POW or a despot who lives and breathes and is intoxicated by his own emissions.

He is bonkers.

-GSD

And the one holding the big red button labeled “Total Nuclear Destruction of Humanity”

Sleep Well.

why wasn’t steny hoyer included in the presidential poll?
with those cufflinks he could redirect the sun and blind evildoers.

I would gently suggest the addition to the straw poll of the name ‘Gore’.

Robert Morton @ 75

tw3k @ 65

I really need him some more.

OT, but how do I have my Facebook link appear when I leave a comment? I’ll hazard a guess that my Website should be a link to my profile, but if that fails could someone clue me in? Thanks!

Oops, left out a “listen” up there.
Ah, register up at the last block on the right, then you’ll have an input field for FB.

Robert Morton @ 75

tw3k @ 65

I really need him some more.

OT, but how do I have my Facebook link appear when I leave a comment? I’ll hazard a guess that my Website should be a link to my profile, but if that fails could someone clue me in? Thanks!

Go to the “Meta” box at the bottom of the far right column
Register with FDL
Wait for an e-mail from FDL with a password
Go to your Facebook Profile and copy the URL. Make sure you get the actual Profile with the long number at the end rather than just the layout.
After you get the FDL password, come back here and click on the Login link. Login to your FDL Profile, fill in the appropriate information including pasting the Facebook link info in to the appropriate box in your FDL profile.
Save profile.
You should then have the facebook icon showing when you comment.
You have to re-log in each time you restart your machine or browser.

jayt @ 67

And despite the fact that every presidential “quiz” I’ve taken shows Kucinich with a perfect score for me, I’m being realistic and voting elsewhere.

I often wonder if “realistic” is killing our democracy. Not to single you out Jayt, but that seems to be a common theme. So many people love Kucinich’s positions on the issues, but everyone’s bought into the notion that he’s not a viable candidate.

Why isn’t he a viable candidate, if he’s so good on all the issues?

I’m seriously trying to figure that out, that’s not meant to be a rhetorical question.

Heh. Clinton and Kucinich tied at 10% each. Try that against your meme for size, MSM.

Since I can’t vote for Adlai Stevenson (could do a write in but….) I like Dennis Kucinich so he gets my pressure point pen.

GSD @ 76

perris @ 68

this is epu’d from downstairs and a froomkin post;

that is a madman talking

he thinks that because he has made war for no reason that now the country is willing to endorse unending war

he is mad, I am not a phsycologist but I am betting he this man is clynically insane

Bush is starting to look weary and wild-eyed. Like a despot who lives and breathes and is intoxicated by his own emissions.

He is bonkers.

-GSD

He kinda giggled the other day when he was saying the FISA bill needs an immunity clause.

Almost like of those Yes Man videos.

dodd is my candidate…..voted in the straw poll…

The poll asks which is your favorite candidate. There is no stipulation that the candidate be viable.

That means Kucinich for me. If viable were included, I would pick Edwards. What if we could get Kucinich to be number one in the polls? Then we could tell the insurance companies and big pharma and the war machine to go to hell.

Thus far the straw poll indicates who is preferred and who is not. It will be interesting to see what the poll says tomorrow morning.

peanutbutter @ 4

Edwards ‘08!

Yep.

dakine01 @ 81

Robert Morton @ 75

snip…

You should then have the facebook icon showing when you comment.
You have to re-log in each time you restart your machine or browser.

Much better driving directions :)

QuakerGirl @ 62

SufiLizard @ 8

EPU’d from below —

The� neo-cons call themselves and each other names like “Prince Darkness” (Richard Perle) and seem to take great pride in being a dark force bringing death and destruction.

They all think they’re Pacino in Devil’s Advocate. Instead, they’ve become the foreshadowing of Stranger in a Strange Land, wherein the president of the U.S. is ushered into a global meeting and nobody notices.

The Repervs have given us the diminution of the U.S. Perverting democracy every step of the way.

Mentioned at the end of last thread–an outstanding op-ed in today’s Strib re academic freedom and debate in the crucible of the Dease action against Tutu. here’s the link: http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1479297.html

I’m aghast that no one has said this as yet … Run Jane Run ! *g*

Ann in AZ @ 74

…I find them all inferior to Gore on several levels.

Please elaborate. On what specific levels is Gore superior? (again, I am asking in the interest of serious discussion, not as a sardonic snark)

Bluetoe @ 13

Gore is the only “other.”

I also voted other for Gore.

tw3k @ 85

GSD @ 76

Bush is starting to look weary and wild-eyed. Like a despot who lives and breathes and is intoxicated by his own emissions.

He is bonkers.

-GSD

He kinda giggled the other day when he was saying the FISA bill needs an immunity clause.

Almost like of those Yes Man videos.

Psychopathic mass murderer.

If there were a box for Freepers to select, it would say, “none of the above - they are all commie b*stards”.

I’ve been for Edwards for a while. But Dodd has been magnificent lately and so voted for him in this poll.

Petrocelli @ 92

I’m aghast that no one has said this as yet … Run Jane Run ! *g*

On a ticket with Colbert?

No campaigning within 100 feet of the polls. I’m itching to do it. But I won’t.

A.Citizen @ 95

tw3k @ 85

He kinda giggled the other day when he was saying the FISA bill needs an immunity clause.

Almost like of those Yes Man videos.

Psychopathic mass murderer.

Too True! Has he toped Saddam’s score yet?

QuakerGirl @ 84

Since I can’t vote for Adlai Stevenson (could do a write in but….) I like Dennis Kucinich so he gets my pressure point pen.

dim memories here of a photo of Adlai Stevenson reading a newspaper photographed from a low angle with a hole in his shoe sole.
Did that affect that election? I wouldn’t know.

nomolos @ 98

Petrocelli @ 92

I’m aghast that no one has said this as yet … Run Jane Run ! *g*

On a ticket with Colbert?

Unity08!

nomolos @ 98

Petrocelli @ 92

I’m aghast that no one has said this as yet … Run Jane Run ! *g*

On a ticket with Colbert?

LOL !!! It would be the smartest ticket in years !

Yuh know, why is it that “Kucinich isn’t viable” is accepted as truth? Really. Physical appearance? Because on ideas and enthusiastic reception by (certain) audiences he’s viable as all get out.

His wife’s 6′0″ tall, I read; just take the average of candidate and spouse, if height’s your thing …

Oklahoma kiddo @ 99

No campaigning within 100 feet of the polls. I’m itching to do it. But I won’t.

Have I ever mentioned how much I love your posts OK?

Mabel’s Wig Shack @ 101

dim memories here of a photo of Adlai Stevenson reading a newspaper photographed from a low angle with a hole in his shoe sole.
Did that affect that election? I wouldn’t know.

It was not the sole reason