Senator Clinton gave an unexpected interview to Keith Olbermann on MSNBC's Countdown last night. She had at least a couple of messages she wanted to deliver, and KO obliged with the right questions. And by appearing on Countdown, it seems she wanted us to hear those messages.
KO first asked whether the Senate Democrats would stand up for the Constitution on the FISA bill. She said she hoped so, without explaining what that means, so it seems she wasn't there to talk about that.
KO asked about her economic proposals. Clinton walked methodically through her list for helping the middle class deal with economic insecurity: (1) restore fiscal responsibility; (2) focus on job creation, perhaps by using global warming and alternative energy development as the stimuli; (3) provide mechanisms to encourage folks to save and invest for their retirement (as a supplement, not a replacement for Social Security); (4) provide assistance to make college more affordable; and (5) enact universal health coverage.
Americans feel they're "standing over a trap door," she said, so it's important to reduce this insecurity while holding down costs of all these areas. Although part of her standard campaign pitch, listing these elements so carefully seemed a set up for what followed.
KO next asked about efforts to overturn the President's SCHIP veto, and the question moved to the right wing attacks on 12-year-old Graeme and his family. I think this is part of what Clinton was waiting for. She claimed the Republican opposition didn't want to solve the problem of uninsured children, and they particularly did not want Americans to begin hearing real stories of real Americans -- not just those in poverty, because they're covered by Medicaid, but "families who work, who can't afford the high insurance premiums of individual policies." (paraphrasing)
Clinton then praised bipartisan efforts to pass the SCHIP bill, complimenting Republicans who voted for SCHIP and against their own President and Republican leadership. The leadership, she noted, had tried to score partisan, political points at the expense of families like Graeme's.
I think Clinton was sending a strong message to the Progressive community about how she would approach the electorate in the general election. The message on economic security is a clear winner for Democrats. The message to Republicans outside the 30 percenters is that their leadership and President had misled them about SCHIP -- and everything else. The President's loyalists abandoned America's children and then misused children in a mean-spirited manner. But despite all the right wing propaganda, she -- the supposedly hated liberal who had been pilloried by the right for years -- had worked with reasonable Republicans on a bipartisan solution for providing health care to America's children. And she could do it across the board. That's one powerful message.
Moreover, Hillary took on the WH's anti-SCHIP argument that SCHIP should be limited to the poorest children. No, this is part of a broader policy to provide financial security for the middle class. In other words, it's okay for America to have government sponsored programs to help the middle class get affordable health care . . . or secure retirements or college for their kids, and so on. It's okay to use government to protect the middle class from that "trap door" that undermines their financial security.
Putting Iraq aside (there were no questions on it), I think that economic message can win the election and sweep more (and better) Democrats into Congress, provided . . .
. . . provided Bush/Cheney don't start a war with Iran. On this point, KO gave the Senator something else she wanted -- another opportunity to explain her vote -- to us -- for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment encouraging the President to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. She did not back down. Her standard response, perhaps more carefully crafted and expressed this time, is that it was a misunderstanding to claim she was authorizing war; instead, she voted to provide additional leverage, via possible sanctions, to encourage/strengthen negotiations with the Iranians.
Her answer might be more defensible if the President were Bill or Hillary Clinton, but not when the President is Cheney/Bush. Trusting these two to act responsibly is the same mistake she made on the Iraq vote, and explaining it more eloquently does not alter its fundamental risks as long as Bush/Cheney remain in office.
We got the messages. Here's my own response: Good framing on SCHIP and economic security; good strategy in calling the non-30 percenters to responsible government. But the next time Democrats want to send a serious message to Iran, don't allow Bush/Cheney to translate it for the Iranians. And one more thing: You're focused on the wrong threat.
The Bush/Cheney regime's lawlessness and fear-based authoritarianism present a far greater threat to American freedoms and values than the Revolutionary Guard could ever dream of becoming. That's why you should have answered the FISA question and many others. It's essential you let the country know you understand the greater danger and are just as concerned as we are.
Hillary also thinks Al Gore deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Yep.
The interview transcript is now available at MSNBC, and Logan Murphy at C&L has the video clip.
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I agree totally with your perspective on her Iran/Kyl-Lieberman vote. She has fallen into the exact same trap she has claimed she fell for with her AUMF vote on Iraq.
In both instances, she has claimed she is/was only voting for diplomatic actions, not for war.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
Otherwise, I think she presented a rational and reasonable start on a domestic policy.
Yep.
HRC is a conservative operative.
I dont think dynasties are good for our country and I dont want a President that has purchased the office.
I don’t usually go in for this zed stuff but when I read the post I figured why not!
Hillary could do a good job if she were elected and if she’s the nominee I would support her but I don’t see the potential for the bold action needed to fully repudiate the bush* regime.
Of course a box of rocks could do a better job than bush*.
“Her answer might be more defensible if the President were Bill or Hillary Clinton, but not when the President is Cheney/Bush. Trusting these two to act responsibly is the same mistake she made on the Iraq vote, and explaining it more eloquently does not alter its fundamental risks as long as Bush/Cheney remain in office.”
Yep. And I believe Scarecrow wrote an entire article recently on her poor judgment in being willing to again “trust Bush”.
I’m not at all impressed by her interview. It’s more cotton candy. Full of fluff, but no substance. She might as well come out and “seriously” announce that she opposes slavery. Wow! What a fighter that Hillary is!!!
And, as for helping out the economy…..will she continue to play “female coy” and refuse to answer direct questions on whether she opposes NAFTA??? I imagine so.
Which is why ole Hillary is what she is: G&S Hillary. Gutless and Spineless. When G&S Hillary speaks; I simply hurl.
But, as usual, I do enjoy your articles Scarecrow!
Ghostman
I’ll stick with more and better democrats
She did not impress me…anyone remember Frank Rich’s column a few weeks ago…is Hillary the New Al Gore? Given every opportunity last night to be straightforward, honest, and bold, we got another “safe” candidate…if anything did anything to reinforce that she will the status quo…last night was it…she will lose to any Republican candidate
Ghostman - I’m not sure I but the notion of “gutless.” I think it has taken a tremendous amount of courage for her to hang in there, to put herself out in the public eye knowing that the right wing would viciously attack her every single day. And she knows it’s going to be even worse in the next year and as long as she’s in office. It would frighten off most. That’s a courage that needs to be acknowledged.
But it’s also taught her to be cautious, we might say overly so, and so it’s hard to get her to move when real courage demands it. We will have to help lead this candidate, to make what must be done safer.
One more Republican bites the dust:
From thinkprogress—
What a shame.
egregious @ 14
eg -
I seem to remember reading/hearing somewhere that several of those who had said they were pulling out were now putting themselves back in.
Did you happen to catch anything on that?
“I think it has taken a tremendous amount of courage for her to hang in there, to put herself out in the public eye knowing that the right wing would viciously attack her every single day”
Oh, I disagree, good Scarecrow. I think she’s had everything handed to her on a silver platter. She married smart and used her husband’s coat-tails for every achievement she’s ever laid claim to.
I don’t think our “help” will do any good. I think she is what she is. She’ll play the Progressives just like Bush plays the evangelicals. She’ll dole out some breadcrumbs to keep us happy. And then……slide a knife in our back at every opportunity.
So……good Scarecrow, on this, reasonable minds differ! But please keep writing. Your thoughts are always good for me to read.
Ghostman
That’s all the info I have Waccamaw. Will try to chase this down.
Hi Scarecrow, Medicaid (welfare)covers those in poverty (keeps them there too). Medicare is for people 65 and over.
[Mod: Fixed, and thank you]
Hillary trying to steal some thunder from Al Gore’s big moment today? Ya think? He’s no Hillary fan.
I’m doin’ a quick fly-by from the tall timber, so this, notepadded offline because of dinosaur slo-dialup may seem a bit off the Hillary topic, but definitely on-topic for Gore’s shining day:
Prairie’s Fantasie:
Flush with the force of winning the Nobel Peace Prize, Al Gore invites John Edwards and Barack Obama to the Tennessee ranch for a mini leadership summit.
Gentlemen, says Gore, I am prepared to announce my endorsement for 2008. John you embody one of the two characteristics all Americans will need most for the upcoming years: personal courage. Your life arc with Elizabeth is a powerful model for triumphing over life’s greatest adversities. And Barack, you embody the other characteristic the American people will need: hope. For better times and better ways of living together.
It’s a tough decision, guys, so I’ll ask you. Are you prepared to think outside the box? I think you are. It’s up to you if you’ll accept my endorsement:
Edwards/Obama 2008.
Scarecrow!
I was really puzzled by KO giving her all that air time. Is he conceding the nomination to her and just doing the best he can to make sure she is supported in the general election?
It will be a sad day if she gets the nomination but I’ll hold my nose and support her. The important thing in that case will be to get rid of as many bush/blue dogs as possible over the course of her term so that there is at least one slightly progressive branch of govt.
I hope Obama, Edwards, et. al., hammer her on the Iran vote. How can she get away with that?
She immediately tried to mitigate it by signing on to the Webb’s Iran bill and getting her picture snapped with Webb.
If I have to vote for her in the general, I’ll be ill.
hackworth @ 18
Yep. I’ll fix.
Scarecrow, would you say the interview was either coded or nuanced?
Anyone else also have the thought that this “unexpected” KO interview was due to some advance notice that Gore was going to win the Nobel? This win will certainly dominate the progressive blogs for a day or two, and she comes out looking proactive rather than defensively saying “congrats, but I’m the one running now” in some press release.
That all being said, I give her some props — when I squinted a little, I could imagine myself watching a President. Of course, now that the current chuckleheads have set the competency bar as low as they have, that’s perhaps not a stretch!
On HRC’s comment about saving to supplement Social Security: Fine advise, unless you have more month left at the end of the money! Ya think that might be why people feel like they are “over a trap door”?
Ghostman @ 16
I’m with scarecrow on this one. Hillary didn’t have to run for the Senate. She didn’t have to run for president. She chose to do both, and has had to do the work of a candidate to get elected to the Senate and make a credible run for the presidential nomination.
Did she have some advantages as a candidate? Sure. But she still has to go out every day and do the work, knowing that the Right Winng Wurlizer is geared up for her every day as well.
I don’t agree with her on some of her policy positions — especially with regard to Iraq and Iran! — but I don’t think she’s had everything handed to her.
Funny no questions were asked on Iraq. I read somewhere yesterday (don’t ask–I was all over) that the Gop candidates, during their debate the other night, never once said Bush’s name. Now since they are all for war & wiretap, why would they not use their master’s name?
NCBlueneck @ 25
Hear! Hear!
HRC has no concept of ‘middle class’. NONE. ZERO. ZIPPO.
Just a note:
Medicare covers Americans over 65 and those on Social Security disability. It’s a federal program. If you are poor you may also qualify for Medicaid to cover expenses Medicare does not cover, depending on your state regs.
Medicaid covers the poor, near-poor and maternity care for working poor. While states receive federal money for ‘caid each state administers its own Medicaid program.
Do you suppose HRC will keep all those signing statements to use as needed?
>>why would they not use their master’s name?
Remember the response to Number 6’s (”The Prisoner”) question, “Who is number 1?”
Peterr @ 26
she’s clearly ambitious, and she’s willing, even happy, to do all the work necessary to get where she wants to go, I think.
Oops, Hackwoth at 18. You type faster than I do. Sorry to repeat.
Elliott @ 23
Not sure what that means. I think KO is extremely attuned to what needs to be said at each political moment; he chose questions his audience wants asked, and her willingness to be interviewed by KO, knowing what he was likely to do, seemed a sign that she too wanted to address the concerns of those who routinely watch KO. I don’t think it was scripted; more like a shared understanding.
egregious @ 14
Yep, that’s REALLY too bad(sniff).
Hillary’s support of corporate interests over middle class interests is well known. I need to see her making some attempt to reduce corporate interests before I’ll believe she’ll make a difference to the middle class.
Universal health coverage is one of those things. That guarantees profits for insurance companies for denying claims.
According to the Strib, MN’s Ramstad’s being heavily pressured by Congressional MINORITY leadership to reconsider his retirement. I’d imagine others are as well. The argument, having to spend money in sure-win districts when they’re in dire straits on money and a million dollars [gee-now that’s real money…imagine when they consider the frickin’ trillion dollar bills they’ve givin us the last 7 years!] could make all the difference in holding seats.
Let’s get out the thumb-finger violins folks and have a pity party for the poor ol’ Repervs.
BWAAHAAAAAHHHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA.
I don’t think Gore will run; however, Gore’s winning the Nobel Peace Prize may well impact the Democatic nomination proces.
I think his endorsement of a candidate other that Hillary could change the race. This would seem to be particularly so if that candidate was Obama.
While I completely agree with the analysis of her commentary. While I have been deeply disappointed in her position on Kyle-Lieberman and on her initial voting for the Iraq war, I do think that sexism is part of what she is fighting with her more hawkish stance. I think Margaret Thatcher had the same problem at times. I think Obama has the same issue. How do you interact in a “white male priviledge” world that worships power and control by acting out your stereo types.
I don’t want to make excuses for her, and she is not my first choice, but my gut doesn’t believe that she and Bill Clinton in the white house will be “hawkish”, nor do I believe that she will forfeit middle class comforts for corporate american gains.
I wish we would stop the infighting. The truth is that I would take any one of the leading democratic contenders. All of them are intelligent, well read, thoughtful, innovative and strong. I will vote my conscience, and I think it’s okay to do comparison’s but sometimes we are arguing about nuances instead of facts.
I like the way Bill Clinton handled Kosovo. I think that Bill was on it in regard to terrorism. I don’t agree with the republican analysis that Bill was “soft” but as a woman, Hillary has a double whammy to fight. She has to prove that she is not soft enough to be a “danger” which is what the right wing wants us to believe. And when it comes down to the last two contenders, sound bites that make her sound weak would end the battle for president.
I take her hawkish positions with a grain of salt.
It’d be nice if our system were different but the truth is that it’s fed by corporate and special interest money. Someday, hopefully this will change for the better.
For the life of me, I can’t understand why an otherwise intelligent person like HRC can’t see that giving Bush/Cheney even slightest opening for pre-emptive war with Iran is a bad idea. One need only look at the bills sponsors to figure out that this was clearly drafted for one purpose only.
She is unacceptable. Period. She REMAINS in favor of the war in Iraq (merely thinking it handled badly…NO, it was WRONG and ILLEGAL. PERIOD). Her idea of “universal healthcare” is to enact into law profits for insurance companies on the taxpayer dime. Her “universal healthcare” plan is to REQUIRE all Americans to BUY private health insurance so that ALL Americans can benefit from having treatments denied, drugs denied, and have doctors selected for them, all while insurance company CEOs and shareholders make freaking guaranteed taxpayer-funded profits up the ying-yang.
She is unacceptable.
She will not disavow a single “unitary” executive power. She will embrace Bush’s illegal and unconstitutional powers, fighting tooth and nail to not give up a single one of them.
She is vile and unacceptable.
NCBlueneck @ 25
Good point. This is the problem with all Republican policy. A tax cut or a medical savings account or a tax credit doesn’t do anyone any good if they have to spend all their money just to survive. A lot of people are in that boat with credit card debt to boot. There’s no money for a retirement account or a medical savings account until the credit card debt gets paid off. When will it be paid off? Never.
If Hillary or other candidates will institute work programs, especially those in the alternative energy sector, that’s what will help to fix our economy.
kdh22 @ 28
She has a hell of a lot more knowledge of the concept than Little Boots could ever have. My understanding is that her upbringing in Illinois was classic, post-war middle class. Which means to me that she would have an understanding of what CAN be. And Arkansas is not exactly a hot bed of rich kid privilege (outside of maybe some folks in Benton).
I am not comfortable with the DLC. Nor anyone connected to it.
Scarecrow @ 34
Sorry I wasn’t clear, but your answer explained to me what I wanted to know, thank you. :)
Tom @ 40
The answer comes to us via Occam’s Razor. She voted for that vile bill because she supports war with Iran just as much as she approved and still approves of the war with Iraq. What country is she NOT in favor of going to war with?
Sen. Clinton will need to be tough, there’s a new Cold War on and Condi and Gates were just seen publicly shitting their pants in the face of a stern and rebuking Vladimir Putin.
Well, we should be able to take Russia in a cakewalk anyhow…….Throw in an invasion of Turkey too…
-GSD
Katie Jensen @ 39
Great Comment and I agree with every word. I have noticed over these last few months that there has been sort of a building hate for Hillary. I am an Edwards supporter but I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee with confidence. She is being treated as if she is the worst thing since Bush and it’s simply not true. We could cause ourselves some very real problems if we continue this message since they righties will use our words against us. Let’s not do that, please. We may regret it.
She did note, that this was a non-binding resolution and that she stood by her previous statement that Bush has no authorization to go to war with Iran without going to Congress.
I think it worth mentioning, that she stated very emphatically that, prior to assuming office, she would send capable statesmen around the world to explain that “cowboy diplomacy” was over and last six years have been an aberration of American foreign policy.
Tom @ 40
Her vote on Kyl-Lieberman was indefensibly stupid. If that’s an example of her foreign policy judgment, it is most unfortunate. Once again, she was trying to “look tough” on terrorism and did not see past the end of her nose.
Clinton is just a flawed individual — in many ways a really wicked one — but a skilled politician. What she is today is not what she will necessarily be tomorrow. We’re not yet her privileged constituency; when we force her to acknowledge us as such with our money and with allied legislators, things will change, but only then.
O/T, I know, but can someone give me the quick explanation of the basics of comment moderation here? The reason I ask is I wrote something yesterday — fairly inoffensive, I thought (and will repeat if that helps), and not out of line with general community sentiment on the topic, though my comment did include a five-letter acronym that begins with A and ends with C, and the I and A in the middle, on either side of the P, got replaced by asterisks — which struck me as interesting…
See, *that* comment didn’t get moderated…
Oh jeezus…seeing Clinton’s face and Gore’s on the previous post…will these names ever go away?!? My entire adult and voting life has been ruled by these same names…
These are prominent “Dem leaders” that for the last 20 years have led the Dem Party into the ditch. They’ve turned the Party into just another Money Party, bringing virtually no change to the status-quo, Conglomerate Rule in this country. Terry MacAuliffe, who single-handedly dismantled the Dem Party operations in many states (literally) is now running Hillary’s campaign!! Goddamn, I thought Howard Dean was able to kick his kind to the curb for good, but no….leave it to a Clinton to offer him perhaps even a more powerful position. He’s getting a job promotion for destroying the Democratic Party.
And Gore is doing 100 times more for the environment now than when he was an elected official. Please Al, stay where you are! You getting so much accomplished. The Earth needs you to keep doing what you’re doing.
We need new ideas and new blood in DeeCee. Now.
next topic, this one is dug in
Praedor Atrebates @ 41
She is vile and unacceptable. Let’s act on that recognition in the primaries. She’ll be relatively less vile and more acceptable, however, in November 2008.
brendan @ 51
so true.
Prairie Sunshine @ 37
That business about pressure from thug leadership was part of my semi-memory bank also.
Today’s poll figures will not be a Wake-Up to the DNC nor to the Congressional Democrats, so what the hell to do?
68% have as much distaste for the Democratic Congress as they do for Bush/Cheney.
A Democratic Presidency has an 13 point lead over a Republican, but when Hillary is the Democratic candidate the lead is cut to 3 points. That figure will get lower and lower until it disappears: Hillary Clinton is unelectable.
The tiny number of vote-switchers, and Democratic Party supporters, will turn out to vote in a landslide for a candidate whom they hear say he/she:
1. will immediately disengage from Iraq;
2. will institute immediately a universal healthcare system (single payer, probably, but possibly on the Dutch and German systems);
3. will actually engage in stopping the flood across the Mexican/US border.
That candidate will probably touch on the Fascist applications of the present Administration.
That candidate will probably touch on the presently misused word “lobbying” which really means “bribery”.
That candidate will probably touch on the fact that a small percentage of the US population has a great deal too much power and influence and will address reducing that power and influence.
The voters are probably subconsciously skittish about another damned dynastic presidency too.
We are probably going to be stuck with H Clinton as the Candidate. Both Giuliani and Romney will beat her!
As a female…I cannot forget that we have NEVER had a female president or Vice President and that we have NEVER had an african american president. I am an advocate for ending both sexism and racism in our country and I am just tired of the attacks on her. She is fighting a stereo type as is Obama. White priviledge holders need to recognize their part in this.
White folks have all benefitted from slavery and men have benefitted from sexism. Period.
People who say any of the top three are “unacceptable” just aren’t paying attention to facts. Instead they are being emotional and hateful. I would take any one of the top three. And on that note I wish the in fighting would stop. Every attack we make at any one of the top three could hurt our ability to defeat the republican regime later.
Democrats need to be more mature and smart about this. Don’t let racism or sexism talk for you. Pay attention to the facts. Hillary is no threat. She’s not going to attack Iran. The current thinking (though I disagree) is putting an election win first over punishing Bush. My worst fear for Hillary would be that she stands up against Bush on the military issues, that she looks soft, and that then Bush engineers or ignores warning or allows a terrorist attack or that we go to war with Iran. Anyone of these issues could seriously prevent a democrat who takes a less pro military stand in a very dangerous place.
I am not afraid of terrorism, in this regard. I am afraid of Bush/Cheney and how far they will go to prevent relinquishing their power. They are trying to avoid jail, not just make money.
Praedor Atrebates @ 46
Really? There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton is in favor of starting another war with anyone. Nor is it clear that, if she had been President, she would have invaded Iraq.
When I begin to feel sorry for all the work Senators seeking the presidency have to do I bring myself back to earth. I think about the pay. $165,000 per year for a three to four day work week. A month off in the summer. Not to mention Christmas and all the recesses. Oh… and the perks. Oh yes, our senators are underpaid and overworked alright. And I don’t want to forget the cocktail parties and lobbyists who finance our Congress person’s campaign. Very rough life.
maunga @ 59
I don’t think Giuliani or Romney can beat her. Huckabee could beat her, but the Rs are not smart enough to nominate him.
pma @ 49
Yes, I thought that was a very helpful statement.
Tom @ 40
Tom, she is bought-and-paid-for by te promoters of attacking Iran!!!
Twain @ 48
First, my absolute rejection of Hillary has nothing to do with her sex. I couldn’t care less whether the Prez candidate is male/female, black/white/red, whatever. Couldn’t give a shit. I DO care that she is corporate America’s representative and always has been. She IS Wal-mart and its labor practices. She IS health insurance companies and the HMOs that she has single-handedly gone out of her way to promote. She is unacceptable and if she is the Dem nominee I absolutely will NOT vote for her. That is non-negotiable and granite solid. I will not vote for Hillary. If it is between Hillary, Guiliani/Romney, and Nader then I WILL vote for Nader. In fact, the last name above can be filled by virtually ANYONE who is not a libertarian or religious wacko and that person will get my vote. The only other option is my abstention from the Presidential vote.
I will NOT vote for the lessor evil on this, particularly when the lessor evil is only so very slightly less evil. No more corporatocracy, no more NAFTA, CAFTA, SAFTA, no more belligerent foreign policy, no more SHIT.
So, I’ll throw out my original line again:
“In related news, Israel/[moderated to A*P*C] would prefer we not talk about the Armenian genocide because Turkey is, at the moment, being friendly with them, and apparently, denying genocide is *bad* when done about Jews and *fine* when done about Armenians. Maybe ‘Never again’ should have an asterisk.”
I’m not so naive I don’t realize that some people go searching for bad-sounding comments in the blogs of people they disagree with, but is the asterisks-to-hinder-quick-searches the way we prevent that? ;-)
I think Gore excitement crashed dKos
Oklahoma kiddo @ 62
The poor dears are so overworked they can’t even sleep with their wives. They are reduced to toe-tapping at airports on layovers……hence the term layover.
-GSD
What’s the general consensus here…regardless of who you support and why, do you feel Obama or Edwards would beat the Repube nominee? Are they flawed candidates that might lose in the general?
I dislike it intensely when some tells me they will or will not vote for this person or that individual on the basis of their gender.
lina @ 50
It wasn’t “stupid”. She’s the Senator from New York. Her base of power, and her chief constituency, through their money and influence, are — to use a euphemism — the “liberal hawk” establishment. The importance of that consituency has to be reduced in her calculations. She’s just a politician; there’s nothing permanent about her “convictions”; we have to make ours hers, and we won’t do it with our looks or prose style.
Praedor Atrebates @ 66
agree with your analysis of Hil. But unlike you, I will vote for the lesser of two evils, because it is not as bad as winding up with the greater of two evils.
i think i’ve got a couple of problems with her economic plan. hoping people who know more can set me straight.
1) restore fiscal responsibility - how much is she going to cut from the “defense” budget? has she show any inclination to make any cuts at all? how can we be fiscally responsible w/o attacking this problem?
2) the “save and invest for retirement” plan - this is a BIG problem for me. as i understand this, it is to take 20 - 25 billion dollars a year and put it into ira/401k type retirement accounts. this is just privatization by another name. it’s nuts. if her buget has an extra $25 billion a year floating around for retiree support - it should go into supporting social security and/or medicare. looks to me like a big fat pay off to her wall street donors who will make lots of fees when people “invest”
bonkers @ 70
The Republicans are completely demoralized. Only Hillary (and the reenergized Clinton-hating cottage industry) will bring these people back to the polls. Count on it. She’s not worth it.
brendan @ 51
That’s the truth. Sure feels good, though to listen to somebody that can think and speak in coherent sentences. Listening to Bush these past years makes people very uneasy.
Hi Scarecrow. Two other responses caught my ear.
She is quite proud of her vote on the MoveOn condemnation. She voted instead for the other bill, which condemned anyone who criticized the military etc.
But she was suspiciously unresponsive when asked about FISA matters: “We will have to sit down together and decide what is best for all concerned” (or something like that).
This is very important because her advisor, Jamie Gorelick, who Glenn Greenwald indicates is the leading candidate for Attorney General under Hiliary, is leading the charge for retroactive immunity for the telcos.
Good morning all.
OT, but of interest. Father Dennis Dease of the University of St. Thomas yesterday announced:
My apologies if this is old news. It remains to be seen, I guess, what will happen to the chastened professor who exhibited the temerity to invite Tutu in the first place.
Twain @ 48
Hear hear. HRC’s not my first choice, but I think these two posts point out some important considerations. And would I take her over Bush or any other Republican minion? In a fucking heartbeat.
Scarecrow @ 61
Neither is there evidence that she is not intersted in attacking Iran, given this vote; it’s prudent to assume the worst. She is, however, unarguably in favor of creating the conditions that make it easier for Bush and Cheney to start that war, and I’ll betcha some of her money men are, too, if I’m to believe Wesley Clark.
Your second sentence is pointless speculation: if she had been President…. That fond thought is nothing in face of her actual vote for AUMF.
A very weak defense, Scarecrow.
She consistently does very well in all these interviews, coming across as clear, sober and good-humored. I’m no fan, but you have to acknowledge how deftly she answers questions and how on top of the issues she always is.
As for those folks who would vote for someone else if she gets the nomination, I’m curious whom you would vote for. Now, as a Nader voter in 2000, I have a little karma to get back, but not much, because my vote in NYC doesn’t count anyway. I cannot see anyone plausibly in the race or who would represent a useful protest vote.
brendan @ 72
I believe there’s nothing permanent about her convictions, but saying on Tuesday that your vote on AUMF in 2002 was not meant to give Bush/Cheney a blank check for war; then, saying Thursday that your vote on Kyl-Lieberman was not meant to give BushCheney a blank check for war, seems to be a little “shortsighted.” (if you don’t like the term stupid).
Chris @ 52
There are trigger words and phrases, includinng acronyms, that trip the moderation filter. Besides some of the usual suspects, this would include the very lobby you referenced, because of past flame wars regarding same. Discussion of it isn’t verboten, but the flaming part is, hence the mod filter ;-).
It does sometimes seem to be a weird filter — it will sometimes trip on an instance of an acronym within a perfectly OK word, which you’d think a filter could be reset to allow thru, but I don’t know what plugin (or even if it is a normal plugin) is being used here.
Most of the time the filtered comment gets passed thru with asterisks to get past the filters. If it seems to be hanging about you can usually ask the mods (just comment) to check the mod queue…
jayackroyd @ 81