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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1028210</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1028008&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Phoenix Woman @ 115&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1027462&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 58&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;i don’t remember anyone complaining that cindy sheehan and friends had no right to be camping beside the road to bush’s home in crawford tx, on the off chance they could protest as president bush drove by.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The difference is probably that Bush’s spread is large enough to get lost in, whereas Pelosi lives in town.  Bush could avoid Camp Cindy by helicoptering in or taking ATVs or Hummers overland.  Pelosi doesn’t have that option.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then again, both are public figures.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can see both sides of this angle.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;fair enough… your’re right, there was a difference in distance (which is a big difference - outa sight, outa mind).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;still, when i look at the pictures of the code pink protesters outside speaker pelosi’s house, they aren’t in her yard (or even near a neighbor’s house). it looks (to me) like a protest - not harassment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if speaker pelosi had a small child, (or someone who couldn’t understand and would feel threatened or scared) then i’d think differently.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i think that being a public figure matters a very little bit. what really matters to me is that she (and bush) are:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) elected representatives&lt;br /&gt;
2) adults&lt;br /&gt;
3) it’s a peaceful protest and not harrassment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i do think it’s possilby a bit different for a private citizen, and lot different for a child and/or there is harrasment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1028008"><em>Phoenix Woman @ 115</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-1027462"><em>selise @ 58</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>i don’t remember anyone complaining that cindy sheehan and friends had no right to be camping beside the road to bush’s home in crawford tx, on the off chance they could protest as president bush drove by.</p>
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<p>The difference is probably that Bush’s spread is large enough to get lost in, whereas Pelosi lives in town.  Bush could avoid Camp Cindy by helicoptering in or taking ATVs or Hummers overland.  Pelosi doesn’t have that option.</p>
<p>Then again, both are public figures.</p>
<p>I can see both sides of this angle.</p>
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<p>fair enough… your’re right, there was a difference in distance (which is a big difference &#8211; outa sight, outa mind).</p>
<p>still, when i look at the pictures of the code pink protesters outside speaker pelosi’s house, they aren’t in her yard (or even near a neighbor’s house). it looks (to me) like a protest &#8211; not harassment.</p>
<p>if speaker pelosi had a small child, (or someone who couldn’t understand and would feel threatened or scared) then i’d think differently.</p>
<p>i think that being a public figure matters a very little bit. what really matters to me is that she (and bush) are:</p>
<p>1) elected representatives<br />
2) adults<br />
3) it’s a peaceful protest and not harrassment.</p>
<p>i do think it’s possilby a bit different for a private citizen, and lot different for a child and/or there is harrasment.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1028031</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By the way, here’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1010/p25s05-usmb.html&quot;&gt;the rest of the Pelosi quote&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“The war has eclipsed everything. And while I am very proud of the ratings that Democrats have on every issue you can name, I don’t disagree with the public evaluation that we have not done well in ending this war,” she said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pelosi stressed the differing roles of antiwar activists and congressional leaders. “We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow. &lt;b&gt;God bless them for their passion on this issue. I believe that mostly they are right. But I do believe that we are responsible [for] a … safe redeployment of our troops out of Iraq and that is what we will continue to fight for.” &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, here’s <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1010/p25s05-usmb.html">the rest of the Pelosi quote</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The war has eclipsed everything. And while I am very proud of the ratings that Democrats have on every issue you can name, I don’t disagree with the public evaluation that we have not done well in ending this war,” she said.</p>
<p>Pelosi stressed the differing roles of antiwar activists and congressional leaders. “We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow. <b>God bless them for their passion on this issue. I believe that mostly they are right. But I do believe that we are responsible [for] a … safe redeployment of our troops out of Iraq and that is what we will continue to fight for.” </b></p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1028008</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1027462&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 58&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;i don’t remember anyone complaining that cindy sheehan and friends had no right to be camping beside the road to bush’s home in crawford tx, on the off chance they could protest as president bush drove by.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The difference is probably that Bush’s spread is large enough to get lost in, whereas Pelosi lives in town.  Bush could avoid Camp Cindy by helicoptering in or taking ATVs or Hummers overland.  Pelosi doesn’t have that option.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then again, both are public figures.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can see both sides of this angle.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1027462"><em>selise @ 58</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>i don’t remember anyone complaining that cindy sheehan and friends had no right to be camping beside the road to bush’s home in crawford tx, on the off chance they could protest as president bush drove by.</p>
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<p>The difference is probably that Bush’s spread is large enough to get lost in, whereas Pelosi lives in town.  Bush could avoid Camp Cindy by helicoptering in or taking ATVs or Hummers overland.  Pelosi doesn’t have that option.</p>
<p>Then again, both are public figures.</p>
<p>I can see both sides of this angle.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1027829</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. or at least address my arguments?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. or at least address my arguments?</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1027827</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1027821&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 112&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Everyone’s home is off limits.  I strongly believe in a zone of privacy with regard to children and homes.  This is the morally right position for us to take.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is equally egregious to interfere with the privacy of the family of the sick children in Baltimore and the family of the Speaker.  Whether the protesters outside the house are from the left or the right I condemn them.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let there be some small shred of personal existence as we move into the era of Big Brother, Total Information Awareness, all datamining all the time.  Preserve the small space around our loved ones and our homes, that’s all I’m asking.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;jeeze egr. if you want to convince me i’m wrong, could you give me more of an argument other than to condemn me and imply i’m immoral?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1027821"><em>egregious @ 112</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Everyone’s home is off limits.  I strongly believe in a zone of privacy with regard to children and homes.  This is the morally right position for us to take.  </p>
<p>It is equally egregious to interfere with the privacy of the family of the sick children in Baltimore and the family of the Speaker.  Whether the protesters outside the house are from the left or the right I condemn them.  </p>
<p>Let there be some small shred of personal existence as we move into the era of Big Brother, Total Information Awareness, all datamining all the time.  Preserve the small space around our loved ones and our homes, that’s all I’m asking.</p>
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<p>jeeze egr. if you want to convince me i’m wrong, could you give me more of an argument other than to condemn me and imply i’m immoral?</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1027821</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Everyone’s home is off limits.  I strongly believe in a zone of privacy with regard to children and homes.  This is the morally right position for us to take.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is equally egregious to interfere with the privacy of the family of the sick children in Baltimore and the family of the Speaker.  Whether the protesters outside the house are from the left or the right I condemn them.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let there be some small shred of personal existence as we move into the era of Big Brother, Total Information Awareness, all datamining all the time.  Preserve the small space around our loved ones and our homes, that’s all I’m asking.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone’s home is off limits.  I strongly believe in a zone of privacy with regard to children and homes.  This is the morally right position for us to take.  </p>
<p>It is equally egregious to interfere with the privacy of the family of the sick children in Baltimore and the family of the Speaker.  Whether the protesters outside the house are from the left or the right I condemn them.  </p>
<p>Let there be some small shred of personal existence as we move into the era of Big Brother, Total Information Awareness, all datamining all the time.  Preserve the small space around our loved ones and our homes, that’s all I’m asking.</p>
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		<title>By: ADM</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1027790</link>
		<dc:creator>ADM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I haven’t read all the comments and I apologize if this has already been covered, but my time is limited at the moment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that if Pelosi will not meet with the people she represents, will not give them her schedule so they can know where she will be so they can protest somewhere other than her home, than this is what she gets.  If she doesn’t like it, she can get a different job.  Or at least do the job she was hired to do.  And that is represent the people.  How can she do that if she won’t even talk to the people?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I have no problem with these protesters.  Tell Nancy to schedule a meeting with them somewhere and then actually show up and I would be willing to bet they would then move away from her home.  If she would than actually act on their suggestions from the meeting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sheesh Nancy.  Just do your damn job.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven’t read all the comments and I apologize if this has already been covered, but my time is limited at the moment.</p>
<p>It seems to me that if Pelosi will not meet with the people she represents, will not give them her schedule so they can know where she will be so they can protest somewhere other than her home, than this is what she gets.  If she doesn’t like it, she can get a different job.  Or at least do the job she was hired to do.  And that is represent the people.  How can she do that if she won’t even talk to the people?</p>
<p>So I have no problem with these protesters.  Tell Nancy to schedule a meeting with them somewhere and then actually show up and I would be willing to bet they would then move away from her home.  If she would than actually act on their suggestions from the meeting.</p>
<p>Sheesh Nancy.  Just do your damn job.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Paehlke</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1027728</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Paehlke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Everyone’s home is off limits, except maybe the White House since they work there too and it is a seat of government and it is not like anyone can get close anyway. I am really uncomfortable with taking politics to the point that there is no refuge from it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am well aware that the other side sees almost no limits at all. I even feel like the Democratic party has an obligation to procide that Baltimore family with 24×7 armed protection if they want it (now that their address is out on the Right blogs) and Rush has stirred the loony bin. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But none of that means that we should not draw a line at defensive measures and stay away from even fairly modest intrusiveness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone’s home is off limits, except maybe the White House since they work there too and it is a seat of government and it is not like anyone can get close anyway. I am really uncomfortable with taking politics to the point that there is no refuge from it. </p>
<p>I am well aware that the other side sees almost no limits at all. I even feel like the Democratic party has an obligation to procide that Baltimore family with 24×7 armed protection if they want it (now that their address is out on the Right blogs) and Rush has stirred the loony bin. </p>
<p>But none of that means that we should not draw a line at defensive measures and stay away from even fairly modest intrusiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: JDM</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/whose-home-is-off-limits/#comment-1027698</link>
		<dc:creator>JDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jesus H. Fucking Christ, I hope someone already said this: she’s not just an elected politician, she’s the Speaker of the House! Who the hell does she thinks she works for? Dammit, she’s just as lame as Hoyer, Schumer and Emmanuel. That asshole crack about the First mendment is as unforgivable as it is unforgettable. Annoying the neighbors? Jesus fucking wept. Who are these people?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus H. Fucking Christ, I hope someone already said this: she’s not just an elected politician, she’s the Speaker of the House! Who the hell does she thinks she works for? Dammit, she’s just as lame as Hoyer, Schumer and Emmanuel. That asshole crack about the First mendment is as unforgivable as it is unforgettable. Annoying the neighbors? Jesus fucking wept. Who are these people?</p>
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		<title>By: central texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>central texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people &lt;b&gt;peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am guessing, since our beloved speaker is third in line to head the government, that this might apply to her.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now I suppose that we might feel sorry that, in an age of hurricane-fenced corrals for “free speech” Madam Speaker does not rate her own private Secret Service thugs to keep away the riff-raff, but that’s life in the (self-imposed) minority.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people <b>peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”</b></p>
<p>I am guessing, since our beloved speaker is third in line to head the government, that this might apply to her.  </p>
<p>Now I suppose that we might feel sorry that, in an age of hurricane-fenced corrals for “free speech” Madam Speaker does not rate her own private Secret Service thugs to keep away the riff-raff, but that’s life in the (self-imposed) minority.</p>
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