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		<title>By: DrFrankLives</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1029173</link>
		<dc:creator>DrFrankLives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Senator Burr’s office states that he “has not released a statement” and is considering the bill.  I weighed in as heavily as I could.  He might not be lost completely - unlike Dole, his brain has not completely atrophied.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Burr’s office states that he “has not released a statement” and is considering the bill.  I weighed in as heavily as I could.  He might not be lost completely &#8211; unlike Dole, his brain has not completely atrophied.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1028862</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with Steny Hoyer. If the telecoms want immunity, then they must first confess what they did. Then, like with other truth comissions, they are granted immunity only for what they confess. If other illegal activity comes to light, then they are held liable for that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Steny Hoyer. If the telecoms want immunity, then they must first confess what they did. Then, like with other truth comissions, they are granted immunity only for what they confess. If other illegal activity comes to light, then they are held liable for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Westclox</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1028836</link>
		<dc:creator>Westclox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pergressiffs,  How can we furriners understand y’all unless we apply the ’serially abused wife’  model?   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You keep calling and writing, begging the cretins who have repeatedly betrayed your trust.  Patriot Acts I and II,  anyone?  What member of Congress resigned over the Waco massacre?  What member of Congress has called for an investigation into why the Pentagon’s extensive, expensive ground-to-air missile defense system didn’t fire on Black Tuesday?  How many members of Congress are demanding that Sy Hersh’s “Even Worse” Abu Ghraib evidence is released to the public?  What member of Congress still wants to get to the bottom of the Anthrax Affair?  And surely worst of all:  what member is daring to make waves (like, putting secret holds on crucial bills until he/she gets some progress) over the mass murder by deliberate neglect down in New Orleans?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What would be the fate of an attorney who advised her client to sign a contract without first reading it?  That’s what YOUR congresscats did with Herr Bushler’s “Enabling Act.”  I mean, your  Bushie and Joe Lieberman’s “Patriot Act.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have you seen anything that might be sign of your abusers turning over a new leaf?  No, on the contrary they’ve just rammed the rusty old family Suburban into the closed garage door on the way home from the liquor store,  kicked the family’s Irish Setter down the sidewalk;  they’ve  torn the handle off the porch screen door and defiantly plunked a brand-new full case of Southern Comfort 1.75 ltr  bottles on the kitchen table.  You’re not going to get a ‘new leaf’,  folks,  you’re in  for another weekend of punches,  rape,  and screaming.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And yet some of you still believe in running to the neighbors’ phone,  with blood streaming from  your bashed noses,  to call the rampaging Hubby even as he plans his next attack on your person.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What would you feminists say to a woman who repeatedly returned to a determined,  psychotic abuser?  Why can’t you see that the same situational shoe fits when one applies it to the smelly,  twisted foot limping around as a Democrat congress these days?   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s the point in telling people to call and plead with arrogant monsters like Dianne “Wife Of The War Profiteer” Feinstein?  Or to call on Tom “More Cluster Bombs For Tel Aviv” Lantos,  who smugly admits that he has “two good ears for the Israel lobby,  and none for the bleeding heart appeasers” ?   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You might as well advise the faithful to: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Call Or Write The Fuhrer And Ask Him To Stop The Mass Killing In The East,  By The Einzatzgruppen   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Call Albert Speer And Ask Him To Stop Killing Slave Laborers In The Todt Org And In The Munitions Factories&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please take a moment to consider how many times you’ve already been betrayed by the likes of Ted “Kopecne” Kennedy,  Jay “Son Of Rockefeller Drug Laws” Rockefeller,  Nancy “Morgen Stern” Pelosi, and Harry “Crooked Land Deals Apology” Reid.  When they’re not fooling you deliberately gullible folks with empty promises,  your sly heroes sell crack to school children,  and they pimp their arthritic grandmothers to Saudi oil sheiks who chortle with delight as criminals are maimed and beheaded (in lavish public exhibitions) in their happy country.  They use your precious tax dollars to send illegal munitions of mass murder to a racist,  apartheid country with a terrible human rights record.  It doesn’t bother them that you live with rotting teeth because you can’t afford a dentist…they’ll vote for more ‘black budget’ for the NSA instead,  no matter how much misery they see in their own home towns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does it do any good to call/write a Capitol Hill sociopath?   Telling Nancy PeLousy to turn her back on the AIPAC money…you might as well attempt to convince Scientologists that there’s no such being as “Xenu,”  and that OT VII persons actually *can’t* travel through time and turn lead into gold?     &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would someone please look up the definition of ‘futility’ and take it to heart?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pergressiffs,  How can we furriners understand y’all unless we apply the ’serially abused wife’  model?   </p>
<p>You keep calling and writing, begging the cretins who have repeatedly betrayed your trust.  Patriot Acts I and II,  anyone?  What member of Congress resigned over the Waco massacre?  What member of Congress has called for an investigation into why the Pentagon’s extensive, expensive ground-to-air missile defense system didn’t fire on Black Tuesday?  How many members of Congress are demanding that Sy Hersh’s “Even Worse” Abu Ghraib evidence is released to the public?  What member of Congress still wants to get to the bottom of the Anthrax Affair?  And surely worst of all:  what member is daring to make waves (like, putting secret holds on crucial bills until he/she gets some progress) over the mass murder by deliberate neglect down in New Orleans?</p>
<p>What would be the fate of an attorney who advised her client to sign a contract without first reading it?  That’s what YOUR congresscats did with Herr Bushler’s “Enabling Act.”  I mean, your  Bushie and Joe Lieberman’s “Patriot Act.”</p>
<p>Have you seen anything that might be sign of your abusers turning over a new leaf?  No, on the contrary they’ve just rammed the rusty old family Suburban into the closed garage door on the way home from the liquor store,  kicked the family’s Irish Setter down the sidewalk;  they’ve  torn the handle off the porch screen door and defiantly plunked a brand-new full case of Southern Comfort 1.75 ltr  bottles on the kitchen table.  You’re not going to get a ‘new leaf’,  folks,  you’re in  for another weekend of punches,  rape,  and screaming.</p>
<p>And yet some of you still believe in running to the neighbors’ phone,  with blood streaming from  your bashed noses,  to call the rampaging Hubby even as he plans his next attack on your person.</p>
<p>What would you feminists say to a woman who repeatedly returned to a determined,  psychotic abuser?  Why can’t you see that the same situational shoe fits when one applies it to the smelly,  twisted foot limping around as a Democrat congress these days?   </p>
<p>What’s the point in telling people to call and plead with arrogant monsters like Dianne “Wife Of The War Profiteer” Feinstein?  Or to call on Tom “More Cluster Bombs For Tel Aviv” Lantos,  who smugly admits that he has “two good ears for the Israel lobby,  and none for the bleeding heart appeasers” ?   </p>
<p>You might as well advise the faithful to: </p>
<p>Call Or Write The Fuhrer And Ask Him To Stop The Mass Killing In The East,  By The Einzatzgruppen   </p>
<p>Call Albert Speer And Ask Him To Stop Killing Slave Laborers In The Todt Org And In The Munitions Factories</p>
<p>Please take a moment to consider how many times you’ve already been betrayed by the likes of Ted “Kopecne” Kennedy,  Jay “Son Of Rockefeller Drug Laws” Rockefeller,  Nancy “Morgen Stern” Pelosi, and Harry “Crooked Land Deals Apology” Reid.  When they’re not fooling you deliberately gullible folks with empty promises,  your sly heroes sell crack to school children,  and they pimp their arthritic grandmothers to Saudi oil sheiks who chortle with delight as criminals are maimed and beheaded (in lavish public exhibitions) in their happy country.  They use your precious tax dollars to send illegal munitions of mass murder to a racist,  apartheid country with a terrible human rights record.  It doesn’t bother them that you live with rotting teeth because you can’t afford a dentist…they’ll vote for more ‘black budget’ for the NSA instead,  no matter how much misery they see in their own home towns.</p>
<p>Does it do any good to call/write a Capitol Hill sociopath?   Telling Nancy PeLousy to turn her back on the AIPAC money…you might as well attempt to convince Scientologists that there’s no such being as “Xenu,”  and that OT VII persons actually *can’t* travel through time and turn lead into gold?     </p>
<p>Would someone please look up the definition of ‘futility’ and take it to heart?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1028380</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you may have missed something: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/11/open-thread-caption-this-oldie/#comment-265832&quot;&gt;Ongoing state-level litigation&lt;/a&gt; against the telecoms is based on &lt;b&gt;state&lt;/b&gt; law; Congress, in “granting immunity to the telecoms” would have no power to block the States from enforcing state law against the telecoms. Game on for doing an end-run around Congress, and keeping the telecoms accountable for their alleged illegal activity.  What do the telecom lobbyists have to say to all 50 State AGs? DC doesn’t control the world; the States have the power to bypass Congress, and enforce State law against the telecoms. [Hit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/11/open-thread-caption-this-oldie/#comment-265832&quot;&gt;the link&lt;/a&gt; for details from the Court which supports this legal theory.]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may have missed something: <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/11/open-thread-caption-this-oldie/#comment-265832">Ongoing state-level litigation</a> against the telecoms is based on <b>state</b> law; Congress, in “granting immunity to the telecoms” would have no power to block the States from enforcing state law against the telecoms. Game on for doing an end-run around Congress, and keeping the telecoms accountable for their alleged illegal activity.  What do the telecom lobbyists have to say to all 50 State AGs? DC doesn’t control the world; the States have the power to bypass Congress, and enforce State law against the telecoms. [Hit <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/11/open-thread-caption-this-oldie/#comment-265832">the link</a> for details from the Court which supports this legal theory.]</p>
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		<title>By: Tanbark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1027508</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do Natalie and the Chicks get the:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Hey!-Did-we get-it-right-and-Toby Keith-did-YOU-and-the-rest-of-the-”patriots”-evermore-fuck-it-up-or-what???”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;award?  :o) :o) :o)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do Natalie and the Chicks get the:</p>
<p>“Hey!-Did-we get-it-right-and-Toby Keith-did-YOU-and-the-rest-of-the-”patriots”-evermore-fuck-it-up-or-what???”</p>
<p>award?  :o) :o) :o)</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1027497</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The “immunity clause” goes the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/11/nsa-punishes-qwest-for-refusing-to-spy-on-americans/&quot;&gt;other way&lt;/a&gt;: Those who refused to cooperate with illegal activity should not be punished; while those who violate the law get immunity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Invoking “issue of fairness” as a pretext to grant immunity for illegal acddtivity &lt;i&gt;cannot be unfair and imbalanced&lt;/i&gt;. Putting aside the immunity for illegal activity, &lt;i&gt;punishing those who refuse to cooperate with illegal activity&lt;/i&gt; has the appearance of unjustness. Does Chief Justice Roberts and the goons on the Supreme Court plan to call this double standard a “state secret” and refues to review the alleged illegal retalation against Qwest? This is no better than the Roman Empire. At least they had nice, colorful uniforms with feathers and knew when to fly away when all was lost. Not this crew in DC.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The “immunity clause” goes the <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/11/nsa-punishes-qwest-for-refusing-to-spy-on-americans/">other way</a>: Those who refused to cooperate with illegal activity should not be punished; while those who violate the law get immunity.</p>
<p>Invoking “issue of fairness” as a pretext to grant immunity for illegal acddtivity <i>cannot be unfair and imbalanced</i>. Putting aside the immunity for illegal activity, <i>punishing those who refuse to cooperate with illegal activity</i> has the appearance of unjustness. Does Chief Justice Roberts and the goons on the Supreme Court plan to call this double standard a “state secret” and refues to review the alleged illegal retalation against Qwest? This is no better than the Roman Empire. At least they had nice, colorful uniforms with feathers and knew when to fly away when all was lost. Not this crew in DC.</p>
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		<title>By: JackHinJersey</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1027468</link>
		<dc:creator>JackHinJersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does using fake addresses to get around zip code edits in the email forms for Senators and Reps raise any legal questions? Seems like we should be able to email them (they are working for and affecting us with their votes) but they restrict access to only people within their states/districts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does using fake addresses to get around zip code edits in the email forms for Senators and Reps raise any legal questions? Seems like we should be able to email them (they are working for and affecting us with their votes) but they restrict access to only people within their states/districts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1027452</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hang on. What’s the “big rush” to pass this bill now? If the President “won’t” sign any bill that doesn’t have immunity, who/what inside the DNC is [a] moving on this schedule; and [b] including in this bill immunity?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A scheduling issue isn’t the same as immunity. Those are two different issues. Why isn’t the DNC blocking this bill in either the Senate or the House; or am I seeing the return of the rubber stamp, artificial timelines, and more “approvals without fact finding.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, wait. This isn’t a dream. The DNC is in “control”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang on. What’s the “big rush” to pass this bill now? If the President “won’t” sign any bill that doesn’t have immunity, who/what inside the DNC is [a] moving on this schedule; and [b] including in this bill immunity?</p>
<p>A scheduling issue isn’t the same as immunity. Those are two different issues. Why isn’t the DNC blocking this bill in either the Senate or the House; or am I seeing the return of the rubber stamp, artificial timelines, and more “approvals without fact finding.”</p>
<p>Oh, wait. This isn’t a dream. The DNC is in “control”.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1027436</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I appreciate the “phone calls” and the other immediate action that will communicate displeasure. Thank you for your attention to this issue. Indeed, the Congress — both parties, DNC and GOP — appears to have capitulated on legal requirements, and violated their oath, as if nothing will happen. Broadly, the entire 2006 mandate appears to have been thrown out the window: Iraq war continues; the funding isn’t stopping; and the FISA violations aren’t getting attention. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A government that will not enforce the rule of law is not legitimate. Let’s create a new system of governance that will assert its oath and take seriously the rule of law. We the People are not required to assent to this lawlessness. Indeed, until the Congress and President know there is a credible discussion in place to &lt;b&gt;revoke&lt;/b&gt; their power lawfully and non-violently, they’re going to continue to cave. Congress may not, on their own, go home; but the public can discuss a new system of governance. With due respect to the narrow issue of the FISA immunity, could we consider a broader solution: Anyone up for discussing some credible solutions like revoking their powers through a new system of governance?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the “phone calls” and the other immediate action that will communicate displeasure. Thank you for your attention to this issue. Indeed, the Congress — both parties, DNC and GOP — appears to have capitulated on legal requirements, and violated their oath, as if nothing will happen. Broadly, the entire 2006 mandate appears to have been thrown out the window: Iraq war continues; the funding isn’t stopping; and the FISA violations aren’t getting attention. </p>
<p>A government that will not enforce the rule of law is not legitimate. Let’s create a new system of governance that will assert its oath and take seriously the rule of law. We the People are not required to assent to this lawlessness. Indeed, until the Congress and President know there is a credible discussion in place to <b>revoke</b> their power lawfully and non-violently, they’re going to continue to cave. Congress may not, on their own, go home; but the public can discuss a new system of governance. With due respect to the narrow issue of the FISA immunity, could we consider a broader solution: Anyone up for discussing some credible solutions like revoking their powers through a new system of governance?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Gygi</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/10/11/not-ready-to-make-nice/#comment-1027388</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Gygi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I called Feinstein’s office and got through after about a minute of waiting.  The staffer just took down my complaints and said nothing else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called Feinstein’s office and got through after about a minute of waiting.  The staffer just took down my complaints and said nothing else.</p>
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