Tom Petty speaks for me on the whole backing down thing. Naomi Wolf’s post here today was utterly awesome. General strike on November 6th? I could be convinced.
Here’s an NPR story about how U.S. workers are afraid to strike these days for fear we’ll lose our jobs.
Dorris Lessing on winning the Nobel Prize for Literature:
“Oh, Christ, I couldn’t care less.”
Gosh, I wonder if she’d like to be my surrogate auntie or something. Shhhh, don’t tell her I said this, but that’ll be Jane at 90. (”Nobel Prize? F*&k off! You’re trampling my irises, you miserable sh#tstains!”)
That plan to build a Vatican-sized American embassy in Iraq?
It is no more. It is an ex-plan. It has joined the choir invisible.
Construction contractor and Oregon Democratic blogger Chuck Butcher says:
And the Republicans have the nerve to talk about and campaign on taxes and spending responsibility? In Japan they’d shut up and commit Hari Kari, here they run for President.
Some jerkwad hung a noose on a black professor’s door at Columbia Journalism School. I’ll bet you ten bucks that jerkwad reads Michelle Malkin every single day. I’ll bet you twenty that Stalkin’ Malkin drives up to New York examine the office door and to accuse the professor of hanging the noose there herself.
But remember kids, Tony Snow says racism’s not such a “big deal” these days.
Speaking of liars for hire, Joan Walsh wonders how long it’s going to take for Dana Perino to decide she wants to spend more time with Karen Hughes’s family. It takes a certain special something to make Scott McClellan look competent.
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TRex!!!
TRex!!
TRex!!
Did I mention GENERAL STRIKE, 11/6/07?
Didn’t make 500.
g’ebening trex – sorry i was so late and missed your first thread
sixth!
Oooops….You mentioned it…..well still…..
(and I loved Doris Lessing’s reaction today. AND her comments about Mugabe).
i have dutifully informed those below, er, downstairs.
Saw a clip of Doris Lessing today, coming out her front door with a glass of water, looking like any old British gran. Loved it.
Nobel Peace Prize will be announced at 0200 CA time Friday morning.
Hey TRex
Steve-AR @ 4
We sure gave it a go, didn’t we?
Here’s some seriously bad fuckery at the CIA (apologies if this was discussed earlier — I just got home).
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..el.html?hp
If it’s destruction…Count me out.
;>)
Steve-AR @ 4
Tomorrow night is another day.
burnspbesq @ 13
that’s some fuckery, and looks like a retaliatory ‘investigation’ to me.
burnspbesq @ 13
fuck is right
LoudounLib @ 12
I remember when 25 comments on an FDL thread was a big deal. TRex changed all of that. Won’t be too long until LN plus LLN will be over 1k comments.
Suzanne @ 10
CA time? Is that California time? And that wouldn’t be Pacific Time?
Wordsmith @ 19
Geez. What happens if Al doesn’t get it? How embarassing would that be?
That would be 0500 EDT, and I’ll either have to stay up all night or get up way early. What to do…what to do…
darkblack @ 14
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
PAUL!!! I LOVE YOU, PAAAAUUUL!!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
[/beatlemania]
Wordsmith @ 19
i’ve had several glasses of some fancy smancy french raspberry wine stuff tonight… i used CA time since I’m in CA and was unable to remember if the time change has happened yet… (has it?) are we PDT or PST?
TRex @ 22
TRex, did I tell you that I’ve just got back from Liverpool? *g*
epu
TexBetsy @ 420
anyone click?
Ferrrrrry
Cross the Mersey…
TRex @ 22
And it isn’t even time for the p*nis measuring contest yet
;>)
*MOD NOTE *Edited
TRex @ 26
You got it. Totally magical!
TexBetsy @ 25
Maybe someone will do it in claymation.
TexBetsy @ 25
Betsy! You devil!
Suzanne…. thought it was the oxycotin stuff was potent… Since Congress messed with the date of the time change, which will not be the same date every fall or spring for the next 4 years.
AZ… it is PDT or MST until the first week in Nov where it will still be MST
Who me? I didn’t write it. I am just proud to work with these folks!
Let’s talk about what’s wrong with the Democratic “leadership” in Congress, that they are talking about giving the telecom companies immunity for aiding and abetting in Bush’s ILLEGAL spying on American citizens without warrants.
Speaking of heads exploding, has anyone seen Teddy tonight? He might be a candidate if he’s read this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..mo.html?hp
db, your comment was trapped in the filters – now freed
Hard refresh, everybody!
:-)
Suzanne @ 35
Thank you, S. – Evidently, it was time for the p*nis editing contest, instead.
;>)
neurophius @ 32
I think that the fisa bill would also give immunity to Blackfuckwadwater.
SUZ! Thanks for verifying the 2 AM our Gore time – think I’ll make some strong tea to help me stay conscious.
marymccurnin @ 38
Can we please have the next Congressional election in November 2007 instead of 2008?
The Lurking Mod @ 36
uh – would that be the blue arrow on my Mac screen at top?
Sorry President Gore and pups — can’t stay up late, and probably can’t even get up early (f*ckin’ jet lag still plaguing me)
Good night all!
TRex @ 22
You meant Paul Krugman, right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..an.html?hp
newspaperbrat @ 41
yes indeed!
TexBetsy @ 25
“Thou should not judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his rubber flippers.”-somebody from huffpo
newspaperbrat @ 41
Hold down the Command (Cmd, the one with the apple symbol on it) and hit R.
Krugman hits it out of the park:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..ef=opinion
darkblack @ 14
Revolution
The Beatles
Would Hillary Clinton Waterboard?
from NYT > Opinion by CHRIS SUELLENTROP
Will Senator Clinton delineate which specific interrogation tactics she believes are torture and which are not?
TexBetsy @ 44
So that’s what that is. Who says FDL isn’t educational.
My hubby said if I don’t get off the computer right now and go into the living room and kiss and hug him he was going to get really mad.
See ya!
Report: 2,000 Died During Arrests Between 2003 and 2005
from TalkLeft by Jeralyn
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r…..782188/521
The first results of the Death in Custody Reporting Act are in: 2,002 people died while being arrested in the U.S. between 2003 and 2005.
At least 2,002 people died during their arrests by state and local law enforcement officers from 2003 through 2005, the Justice Department reported yesterday. Of those suspects, officers themselves killed more than half, 80 percent of whom, the officers reported, had threatened or assaulted them with a weapon.
Drug and alcohol intoxication was the second-leading cause of death, accounting for 13 percent of the total, followed by suicide, accidental injuries, and illnesses or other natural causes.
yellowdog jim @ 48
What a bunch of wholesome youngsters…I predict big things for them.
;>)
darkblack @ 53
seem english
Nice to see Chuck Butcher get a little TRex love. He ran in the 06 primary here in an attempt to oust Greg Walden. He didn’t win, but I like his straight-shooting style. Still noone round these parts ready to take on Rubber Stamper Walden (who voted against SCHIP btw). Hello OR-02, wake the fuck up, s’il vous plait.
need haircuts tho
Evenin’ all,
just dropping by to say hi. was reviewing homework with one of my kids. Civics. yes, say it with me…Bill of Rights. wahoo!
I told a couple of teens today about the Frost family and boy, were they in shock to hear it. “Can you imagine being in seventh grade and the honor of being asked to come to Congress, thinking you are doing this really cool thing and then your family is stalked and get death threats?”
OK, with all the goings all I needed to share a little bit of silly with you. The video is totally stupid, but the song still cracks me up.
Troglodyte
Yay for civics education!
yellowdog jim @ 54
That’s no longer an impediment to success in the ‘colonies’, I’m told. They’ll probably tone it down for the press.
Suzanne @ 56
Perhaps a nice perm on the one with glasses.
;>)
Everyone go to bed? Figures, when I finally have a few free moments :)
OK, here’s a little civics: the big news around here is the teacher wanting to pack her concealed weapon in the classroom. This is the district in which I teach, but I don’t know her personally. Her story was on NPR this afternoon. Circuit Judge refused to dismiss the case. Interesting constitutional issue. Says her ex is a threat, but why then should she bring that threat upon all those students? She said that she has widespread teacher support, but the follow-up wasn’t asked: “How about support among the parents and students?” Not so much from what I’m hearing. What do you all think?
Suzanne @ 56
do not care for the mop tops?
TexBetsy @ 58
HiTB,
It was a rocky start with the teacher beginning a couple of local dem scandals that just pale in comparison to all the crap we discuss here daily. So for fairness and balance, I snuck in the moveon.org ad and an article about “phony soldiers”.
If I need the Howitzer later, I’ll print out Hugh’s list.
yellowdog jim @ 61
just quoting what my dad said when he first saw em on the teevee
TexBetsy @ 58
accord education is even better, I understand.
rat bastahd @ 60
They’re trying to do that in michigan too. Probably the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard. I know it’s dangerous everywhere today. But guns in school? no no and no again!
rat bastahd @ 60
The fewer bullets we have flying around children in this world, the fucking better.
That lady’s a loon.
Just one week after the New York Times revealed the existence of secret Bush administration memos condoning an uninterrupted policy of detainee torture by the CIA, it appears to be payback time. In a highly unusual move, the Times reports CIA Director Michael Hayden has ordered an investigation into the agency’s watchdog office itself, led by Inspector General John L. Helgerson.
For the details, see:
“Payback Time: CIA Director Investigates His Inspector General.”
The teacher should ask for a transfer or resign. She doesn’t belong where she is.
rat bastahd @ 60
Yikes. this is one of those stories where you gotta get all the facts before diving in. I can see if the BF is scary, he is going to show up anyway, whether or not she has a gun. On the other hand, having a gun around is scary too. Does the school have a lockdown drill?
OT but a note to Yellowdog Jim – just wanted to thank you for the info on the China F1 GP. I was stuck on the phone so couldn’t comment but I was sitting here following the progress. Thanks.
rat bastahd @ 60
what grade level does she taech?
sixth grade or better?
arm all the kids with tasers and have them cook the ex if he shows up.
they could also take care of some of the problem parents.
I recall that she had been stalked by her ex. Would want to know all the facts first.
She needs to work on her relationship skills more than she needs to work on her marksmanship.
Buffy on guns:
rat bastahd @ 60
Not to belittle the situation (of which I know next to nothing about)…But if the ex is enough of a threat to warrant a concealed carry permit, why would somebody want to hold a job that puts you in the same place at the same time every weekday?
darkblack @ 74
Why do we want someone like that around our children?
Let me say it: my answer is the dumbest one to the gun at school question. the others are more reasonable.
OK, IT”S probably bedtime for me and the ‘puter. ciao.
I feel like I didn’t get the memo re Naomi Wolf.
My reaction to her post is diametrically opposite to what seems to be the consensus view.
Glenzilla gives Abe Foxman a break and picks instead on poor Joe Klein and his support for FISA amnesty: http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..index.html
Note that retroactive-immunity advocate Gorelick is a Hillary advisor and the leading contender to be Attorney General should Hillary get win in 2008.
On Countdown tonight Hillary skillfully refused to answer Olbermann on FISA matters saying more than once that the Senate needs to get together and “decide what the best thing to do.” Somehow that’s not very reassuring.
db, if the stalking was enough to warrant her being granted a concealed weapon permit, why is the stalker out and about?
TRex @ 75
Point taken, also…Seems like a magnet for potential unpleasantries involving the innocent.
Suzanne @ 79
Ding!
Am I hearing you say the victim of stalking should just give up her life, her career, and become invisible so he can’t find her and put those around her at risk?
newtonusr @ 80
Because it is almost impossible to get perpetrators of domestic violence (including ex-boyfriends) held in jail for more than a day or a week.
burnspbesq @ 77
How so?
Suzanne @ 81
She should protect herself and not put children at risk. If she can’t lock her classroom door and if the school does not have sufficient security, then she should do what she needs to in order to protect herself. That may involve moving. Courts in the US do not take stalking seriously enough.
Suzanne @ 79
Probably lack of evidence.
TexBetsy @ 83
And our legal system’s failure forces her to have to choose between staying alive and having a life.
Let me toss a hypothetical out here: If TRex was being stalked would the pups be saying that he should just quit his job and stop putting those others at his workplace at risk?
The ex was quoted in the paper as saying “Im not a threat, she is pulling this stunt to get full custody of our daughter.” Like if something happens now, he isn’t going to be fingered immediately. It would be a good way to, perhaps, keep the ex at bay, but she is pursuing this case against the school district nonetheless.
No matter the situation, I am against guns in school, period! There are other ways to protect this woman, and putting kids in the middle is not the answer.
TRex works in a radio station. I assume one door. Possibly two. Security would not be that hard. This lady works in a school. Many entrances. Many innocents. Playgrounds. Very different situation.
Suzanne @ 79
Well, we know there are cracks in the framework…Perceived intent is not action, or association.
The potential for a firefight in a crowded classroom will probably be the deciding factor, IMO.
Suzanne @ 82
No, the preference would be apprehension prior to commission. Unfortunately, I’m speculating beyond the available data.
Suzanne @ 82
You’re certainly not hearing me say that. But I don’t see her packing in the classroom as the optimal solution. If she needs to be protected from the ex, then establish a secure perimeter around the school, or make him wear an ankle bracelet that works as a proximity alarm.
rat bastahd @ 60
I think I’m glad I don’t live in America.
rat bastahd @ 88
The threat risk was sufficient for her to be issued a CCW permit.
persiflage @ 70
glad you enjoyed.
i was transfixed.
Brazil
will decide the driver’s championship.
2007 Brazil Grand Prix
persiflage @ 92
I have to admit, I share the sentiment sometimes – and think of moving elsewhere. But then I remind myself that would be giving up the fight to save us from ourselves.
yellowdog jim @ 94
I got to see it later that night. I just love when it comes down to the last race to decide the championship. I’m looking forward to Brazil.
Her court case is based on schools being a “public place” and the concealed weapons law allows them to carry them on the job in “public places.” Yet we don’t allow concealed weapons in courts, airports, etc. that I’m aware of. Plus, my job puts me in multiple school buildings each day, and I must sign in and put on a visitor’s badge so schools aren’t exactly public places in which just anyone can walk in off the street for no reason. Not that it would be impossible to sneak into one of these schools, but the ex has been publicly pegged at this point.
I’m trying to look at this from a constitutional viewpoint, but my rational self (as the father of a school-aged daughter) keeps getting in the way. How do you all feel about armed security guards in schools then?
We have 2-4 armed police officers in the HS where I work. I am completely comfortable with that. They are well trained and professional.
Suzanne @ 95
I’m a first-class wuss. Guns give me the heebyjeebies. In this case though, guns aren’t the problem per se. There are countries in the world with high levels of gun ownership and low levels of gun crime (Switzerland?) so it has to be in the culture. And culture changes, all the time. So there’s hope, especially with good people like you and all the Firedogs working for change.
persiflage @ 92
Soon. After this school year we are moving to France for one year. Where are you persiflage?
rat bastahd @ 97
I would prefer to not have to have them, or police officers, on school grounds. I don’t like the idea of kids having to be screened with metal detectors just to gain entrance to their school but the reality is that is done (and in some locations HAS to be done) to keep weapons off campuses and schools a safe place for learning.
Really is one of those cases where I can see both sides of the argument.
Time for me to call it a night. See y’all late night tomorrow.
wigwam @ 84
I don’t like fear-mongering, whether it comes from the left, the right, or the center. And that was the overwhelming message I got from her: Be Afraid.
I’m not sure what List she is referring to, but she made The List sound like the damn Ministry of Love. 1984 is still fiction — at least for now — and we gain nothing by behaving as though it is something else. The only way — the only way — the bad guys win is if we allow ourselves to believe that we can’t win.
Look, I worked in Library Tower in Los Angeles for two years, knowing full well that it is the second best target for a terrorist attack west of the Mississippi (Disneyland, of course, is number one).
If we give in to fear, They win — and that is true whether you think They are al Qaeda or Dick Cheney.
I choose not to live in fear. I choose to live my life the same way I lived it on September 10, 2001. So I choose to tune out Naomi Wolf and her 10-step plan, the same way I chose to tune out Tom Ridge and his color-coded threat assessments.
Does that make sense?
pain free sleep wishes, tex
rat bastahd @ 100
I’ve never been to France but I’d love to. I’m in Australia. If you give us a few more months to throw our right-wing government out of office, we’ll be a darn respectable place to live. And our languages are similar
Thanks Suzanne.
Night Betsy, have glorious dreams.
Definitely Suzanne, I too can see both sides. I’m still trying to twist my mind around all the implications. Plus, the closeness of it all being right here in my own district. Good responses from everyone here, not that that’s anything new.
Suzanne @ 104
and dreams of magical command power over every teenager
rat bastahd @ 97
Depending on the school district, a ‘necessary evil’. The caveat that I might place on such deployment would be training with an eye to positive interactivity with the student body, and preparing the mindset that the sidearm is the last resort, not the first.
keep me posted please, rat – it raises a lot of questions
persiflage @ 105
Good luck, maybe we can both rid our own govts of the right-wingers :) Would love to visit Australia someday myself. Been to France previously, but only for vacation. Now I’m learning the language, working on our visas, and preparing to move our family to a foreign land. Will be interesting to get a close-up view of the French govt in action, amongst other things…
burnspbesq @ 103
I agree with Naomi that the dangers are real: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..54615/1194
That said, I see no point to living in fear.
burnspbesq @ 103
Makes sense to me. By the list I believe she is talking about the no-fly list.
She raises valid issues. To my taste, however, it reads like propaganda and to that degree I find it ineffectual. On the other hand it may be appropriate for her audience.
rat bastahd @ 97
i admire the “rational” father self.
even though that one seems the less rational.
i mean to honor a father’s protectiveness of his daughter.
i like this song, but the video’s pictures refer to some movie:
Daughter
Loudon Wainwright
The no fly list and any other lists. The denied permission to leave the country list or permision to enter the country list. The being monitored list.
I fear there are a lot of lists created by this administration.
I want that car!
If I can’t have the car, Tish would be an OK consolation prize.
There are some things that we should fear – and some that they want us to fear. We are smart enough to know the difference.
Since I live alongside an actual Bear Creek, this song has special meaning to me – and perhaps explains why this area and I are a good fit.
Suzanne @ 116
talked with somebody at CBP a couple of months ago. They have now started databasing and tracking all persons (including US persons) leaving the country as well as those entering. .. policy to be fully implemented over the next few years. I still can’t figure out an innocuous reason why they should care who’s leaving?
Haven’t scrolled thru this thread’s comments.
But here is something that should stir up stuff on any side of any issue.
Barney Frank Pulls Pelosi’s, Um, Skirt
I mean, what IS this, with pol’s selling out their constituents, across all aisles?
Fuckin killin me . . .
Hang them high, gay, straight or WHAT evuh.
You sell out those who put you there, you phreakin SUFFER you bitches!!!!!
There’s NO honor in raping, pillaging and plundering the masses anymore. Sigh.
Xxxx, Xxxxxx Xxxxx, xxxx. Cue Sergio Leone soundtrack.
Harumph.
*MOD NOTE: Edited – violence wished upon anyone is not permitted
Good Morning Suzanne & pups!
I woke myself up so I for when they announced the Nobel Prize, I didn’t know it was 2:00 am FDL time!
and I’m still up…
still a couple hours left elliott… got some good strong coffee going to help those of us who are trying to make it until then
larue, was that metaphorical? because you know the Lake has a policy of no violence or threats or wishes of violence
Suzanne @ 123
well John Prine is nice!
thanke, elliott, i love that song and agree, mr prine is very nice – and he sings good too
Suzanne @ 23
Suz, we are Postively 4th Street . . . time don’t matter!!! *G*
Recently heard “Daughter” for the first time. Love it! There is no feeling that even comes close to that of “Dad.” Love at its purest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrfi8-9JVtE
Even though this is about John’s son, he nails it so perfectly. That is a dad who is truly astonished by his child. I know the feeling.
larue @ 127
I added the link
sweet, thanks elliott
Suzanne @ 56
They WERE Mop Tops . . . ;-)
rat bastahd @ 128
this was nice…
Blub @ 120
That one seems to me to be relatively straight-forward. If someone tries to enter the United States on a U.S. passport (other than one issued overseas), and there is no record of the holder of the passport ever having left the United States, that would seem to me to be a pretty good indicator that there’s fuckery afoot.
burnspbesq @ 132
is permission to travel next? having to have official travel documents to travel within our country? our state? certain sections of our town?
burnspbesq @ 133
I just don’t like the idea of being kept track of so efficiently.
And my brother lives overseas and I’m always afraid he’s gonna end up on the no-fly list.
Suzanne @ 134
we seem to be on that path/road/track.
rat bastahd @ 128
me too.
we belong to an 8 yo boy.
though i respect that the feeling of “Mom” comes close.
Time for me to call it an evening.
Is it Friday yet? It is? Sure doesn’t feel like it.
From the Way-Back Machine.
larue @ 131
but good lads, eh?
HELP!
Elliott @ 136
that’s not good for consumer sales tho! *g
burnspbesq @ 138
the Way-Back Machine,
wow you aren’t kidding, that was a blast from the past! Love those suits too
Suzanne @ 124
How ever justice is to be served, Suz, in here, anywhere . . . call it metaphorical, parody, call it fantasy, call it as a spaghetti western . . . I don’t think I was too far out with it at all. I thought I was quite clear in my presentation . . . art takes many forms, as does political expression . . . ;-)
Elliott @ 135
we have friends who are from Pakistan.
we have friends who are from Iran.
their families live overseas.
they have to travel.
they are doctors, professors and librarians.
they know they are being watched.
yellowdog jim @ 137
I’ve should have said no feeling comes close for me. Her mom is like a Grizzly momma…don’t mess with her child!
Anyways, off to bed. Since Jake is coming on Tues. I’ll leave you with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puSkP3uym5k
Elliott @ 129
A gentleman you are, thanks for the add on! *G*
yellowdog jim @ 139
that helped!
Elliott @ 136
Perhaps not “permission,” but there are or soon will be video cameras on freeways and bridges sending continuous images of all traffic to computers that archive those images and scan them for license numbers, which then go into a database. Like it or not, we live in a surveillance society, and it’ll be very difficult to roll it back.
yellowdog jim @ 142
and there has to be an underlying fear, anxiety that goes with that.
yellowdog jim @ 140
And Pauly’s Grandda was SO clean! ;-)
Hey tw3k
I thought maybe you went to bed.
larue @ 144
Just for context, I believe you’re addressing a lady.
wigwam @ 146
and let walmart plugin all those CCs for a national CC network.
Elliott @ 149
Hi. nope watched some spaghetti western
larue @ 142
Larue, what you are calling art (hanging and bullets to the head) are statements of violence. As you know, the lake is a violence free zone. I modded both – the first I edited but the second is pulled.
Please keep in mind that the right wings are searching though all progressive blogs comments, searching for that which they can use against us.
This should make OK Kiddo happy.
Hillary is doomed, toast, history.
Krauthammer is singing her praises, in his own uniquely twisted way.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..inionsbox1
Jake is dam good on that ukulele
newtonusr @ 152
Elliott?
Well then, we’ve not been introduced, and I’ve never deduced, nor thought of it.
Corrected I am!
Thanks MZ Elliott!!!
Say, Mz. Elliott, you got or had, any kin in San Mateo?
Mike and Kim Elliott, I recall . . . siblings they were. Mike was class of ‘71, Aragon High School. Kim a year or two behind us . . . .
Well – wtf – if we don’t know what it is, who cares?
That settled, on to the conclusion!
Goddess I love the liberal arts. Sciences are so dull – all that data and supporting conclusions.
Bah! Who needs facts?
Hey – let’s pull this part out of the engine and see if it still starts!
What, me worry?
Ah, rhetoric.
rat bastahd @ 144
that was absolutely wonderful!
up late tonight kirk – we are waiting for the nobel announcement at 0200 PDT
Elliott @ 148
and anger.
they have to presume they are suspect.
but yes, fear
and resentment of feeling like a criminal.
these are THE people we need as allies.
these individuals are good people.
Fati was yellowpup’s teacher for a year (he was 4) in Child Care.
Suzanne @ 155
Suz, this IS a bit of a quibble on my part, but, me being stubborn as a mule and such . .
The right wing can find MUCH heavier and nastier shit to glom onto from the authors of threads on this blog, than anything I’ve ever, or will, say . . . ya know?
So.
Shalom, AND Namaste, to all. ;-)
As one stubborn mule to another….
why give any ammunition at all?
Namaste
Elliott @ 135
If it can be done, it will be done…
larue @ 157
Pleased to meet you larue!
No no known relatives in San Mateo.
But I used to monitor a greenhouse there when I worked in roses.
now little memories start to seep in *s*
larue @ 149
that’s my cue.
Hard Day’s Night
“I should be sleeping like a dog.“
and i shall not argue with the wisdom of the fab four.
this yellowdog is cashing in the chips with the firepups at the lake
hi suzanne – me too
[squirmsy in my chair]
what’s the emoticon for “i can’t wait”?
dont you dare say start tapping your feet kirk
yellowdog jim @ 161
not the way to win friends and influence people.
we are no longer trusted by our government.
Which makes me wonder if we can allow a government that is afraid of us?
“start
t“ughmnnph..
OK, this might fill in a few minutes for you impatient folks.
Oops. sorry. not there any more.
laughing, kirk, and got a nasty look from token, the cutest dog in the world, who was snoozing on my lap
persiflage @ 172
says removed..
only one hour and 8 minutes to go
Suzanne @ 163
propaganda wars aside.
threats of violence have legal liabilities, which can lead to investigations and openings to harassments that Jane and Christy and every firedog DO NOT need.
so it’s just not worth it anyway.
ahimsa
Suzanne @ 169
It attracts Larry Craig.
yellowdog jim @ 167
Thanks!
that was treat.
I haven’t seen that movie since forever, definitely gonna watch it soon.
tw3k @ 152
In Japan they’ve got these “smart cards” that have a computer and database inside them (and the owner can’t tamper with them, i.e., that data belongs to the issuer). And they can read these cards at a distance (normally only a couple of inches, but given a sufficiently large budget …).
I’ve been over reading john dean on the authoritarian personality – good stuff.
Thought I’d hang with y’all for the next hour to see what shakes out.
wigwam, like that radio frequency transmitters now in the us passports?
Magnitude 5.2 NORTHERN MID-ATLANTIC RIDGE
Suzanne @ 182
I don’t think the passports can hold much data. These smart cards hold a few megabytes. But it’s the same general technology so far as I know.
SunnyNobility @ 180
This interview with Dr. Bob Altemeyer was good. There is a free book too.
tw3k @ 183
a little ocean floor spreading perhaps?
wigwam @ 183
Is the technology good enough yet to put it in money? I’m figuring that for the next really stupid/ invasive move.
are you implying the mid atlantic ridge has a wide stance?
OK, I’ll try again Here..
Mornin’ to all you dear souls waiting up in hopes of good news for Gore (and all of us) -
Apologies if this has already been posted but Krugman knocks the snot (is that one of the non-allowed words?) out of the toads who’ve been attacking our SCHIP child:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10…..an.html?hp
and E. J. over at WaPo didn’t do such a bad job either. :-)
Only quarrel I have with Krugman is that he didn’t name the CNN parrot “reporter”. *g*
Suzanne @ 188
I added the link
Elliott @ 185
yeah, just looking at random images coming in
Waccamaw @ 190
Good morning Waccamaw,
Gee, who could that parrot possible be?
Suzanne @ 188
had to as the ocean floor spread ‘em.
persiflage @ 189
Formula One aside:
since
1st place 10 points
2nd place 8 points
3rd place 6 points
4th place 5 points
5th place 4 points
6th place 3 points
7th place 2 points
8th place 1 point
and since
01 Lewis Hamilton 107
02 Fernando Alonso 103
03 Kimi Räikkönen 100
therefore …
IF
Kimi Räikkönen comes in 2nd;
Fernando Alonso comes in 4th;
Lewis Hamilton comes in 8th;
THEN
01 Lewis Hamilton 108
01 Fernando Alonso 108
01 Kimi Räikkönen 108
three way tie
Elliott @ 191
As did I.
SunnyNobility @ 186
Yup, all in one “ID”
I really look at it like the industrial revolution. It was a technological revolution that took over many ways of life. Same is happening digitally. It is inevitable. It just emphasizes the importance of intelligence, foresight and humanity in our government.
so, what wire service will the NPP announcement hit first – or is it a live teevee broadcast – this is my first NPP watch and i don’t know the protocol.
tw3k
Thanks – I’ll check out the interview.
Dean’s take on Greenspan’s book was interesting he’s a *lot* more generous about him than I’m inclined to be.
Elliott -
Gee, who could that parrot possible be?
Don’t ask; don’t tell. *g*
Now that I know sn*t is allowed, it does occur to me to wonder whether toads produce such a substance. “Slugs” might have been a more appropriate choice but that one seems to be such a perfect descriptor for rover.
wasn’t the parrot coughjohnrobertscough
newtonusr @ 196
that’s cute
MSNBC has a “live with Dan Abrams” on (4:16 ET) wrt Gore. GAK! including buchanan.
Suzanne -
wasn’t the parrot coughjohnrobertscough
Well, now that you ask………….. *g* It’s gotten to the point that I absolutely despise that man.
faux noise had a banner placing Guantanamo (sp?) in Puerto Rico………Dog, you just can’t make this stuff up!
did you double glove and use an antiseptic cleanser on your remote, waccamaw? faux has all kinda cooties – shrudder
Suzanne -
Surely you jest………..I wouldn’t go to that place in a hazmat suit! Got the tidbit from msnbc; abrams is having a lot of fun with it…….turns out they did it more than once.
whew.. thanks, waccamaw… a hazmat suit is exactly what is needed when wading through their crap
SunnyNobility @ 198
np! selise dropped the link earlier. I like electricpolitics interviews but I always forget to go check to see what is new.
That doesn’t surprise me too much the Dean would be kind toward Greenspan. Sounds like a good read tho.
Magnitude 3.0 TEXAS PANHANDLE REGION
closer than i like ‘em
yellowdog jim @ 209
This announcement is earthshaking!
Mornin Waccamaw,
I’m gonna make my periodic drop in to Foxx’s office today and if I’m feeling really self abusive also Burr’s. Not that it will accomplish anything, but keeps em off-balance.
Folks at Foxx’s place are amazingly gracious and interested – last time I was there we conference called DC to talk net neutrality. Either they are trying to compensate for her *ahem* shortcomings or they are bored silly.
3.0… shucks, here in callyfornia we call that barely a nudge (knocking wood and saying a please that i just didn’t tempt fate)
any suggestions for a Playlist for Gore?
It would have to include Big Yellow Taxi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueVpCfPAog4
Imagine should be on the playlist
Suzanne @ 214
at the top!
Sunny -
I didn’t realize you were in NC!
On reflection, foxx and burr seems really appropriate names for members of the thug party. *g*
SunnyNobility @ 210
That’s cool! Good work :D
Elliott @ 210
it was sept 27.
i never felt a thing.
of course.
still.
less than 15 minutes
Suzanne @ 212
the cruder (texas) way to express that involves referring to acts of flatulence.
my way:
When Gaia farts ALL must listen.
yellowdog jim @ 217
The only quake I ever felt was in michigan over tens years ago. It drained, so I heard, an aquifer in ohio.
What’s happening on the cable news channels?? Are they talking about Gore?
i like this song:
keep your hands to yourself
Georgia Satellites
sez chere:
“I got a litte change in my pocket, going Ching-a-ling-a-LE-AAAAANG!“
don’t give me no lines and keep your hands to yourself
North Dakota checking in. Waiting for the Gore announcement.
Fibro keeping me up tonight anyways.
howdy! i just woke up and looked at the clock (got a little problem with insomnia recently)…. isn’t the nobel peace prize being announced in like 5 minutes?
ReneND @ 225
Cocktails in the back, food over there, grab a seat!
coffee on the left
ReneND @ 225
ooh. i guess that would be “yes”
… sorry to hear about your pain, ReneND. peace to you too.
newtonusr @ 227
a party!
hope we have something to celebrate.
T minus 2 minutes
msnbc has abrams talking about spears’ kids’ court date
I’m counting on you guys to announce the announcement!
Got it
live on CNN
http://nobelprize.org/index.html
here we go. CNN
goes to al GORE
“for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change”
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr.
1/2 of the prize 1/2 of the prize
Gore wins!
“for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change”.
WooHOO!!
YES!!! Snoopy dance….Snoopy dance!!!!!!!
newtonusr @ 240
Gore shares!
08
08
08
08
woo hoo!!!!
thank you for the good news (cable free home here)
The Nobel Peace Prize for 2007
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 is to be shared, in two equal parts, between the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.
Indications of changes in the earth’s future climate must be treated with the utmost seriousness, and with the precautionary principle uppermost in our minds. Extensive climate changes may alter and threaten the living conditions of much of mankind. They may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth’s resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world’s most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states.
Through the scientific reports it has issued over the past two decades, the IPCC has created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming. Thousands of scientists and officials from over one hundred countries have collaborated to achieve greater certainty as to the scale of the warming. Whereas in the 1980s global warming seemed to be merely an interesting hypothesis, the 1990s produced firmer evidence in its support. In the last few years, the connections have become even clearer and the consequences still more apparent.
Al Gore has for a long time been one of the world’s leading environmentalist politicians. He became aware at an early stage of the climatic challenges the world is facing. His strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change. He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.
By awarding the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC and Al Gore, the Norwegian Nobel Committee is seeking to contribute to a sharper focus on the processes and decisions that appear to be necessary to protect the world’s future climate, and thereby to reduce the threat to the security of mankind. Action is necessary now, before climate change moves beyond man’s control.
Oslo, 12 October 2007
http://www.ipcc.ch/
now in english on cnn
thanks to sweden
Dang. “The prophet is without honor in his own country..”
59. clear (go and look at Venus, please, if you have a clear view of the east) in Fabulous Blue Ridge GA.
Good for him.
Happy Days Gore won
I believe Mr. Al Gore has earned himself some “capital”, as the commander-in-thief would say.
It is time to spend some.
Waccamaw @ 215
The combo sounds like a pub.. Of the two, I actually find her more palatable. She is what she is, no pretense.
g’morning mr bill, 50.6 and clouding up for more rain up here at the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods. no stargazing for me tonight.
newtonusr @ 245
i want peace
i want to protect the planet
…. i want gore for president in ‘08!!!!!
I’m so glad for all of you who’ve sat up so late to find out. And I’m glad for Al Gore AND and the IPCC.
ReneND @ 254
Genius!
(lifts joke from wonkette)
Inexplicably Sandra Day Oconnor votes with the conservative wing of the supreme court and hands the Nobel to Bush.
Is it a whole new day now?
Yes, yes, yes!!!!!
Suzanne, got any of that fancy-french-raspberry
fizzy stuff left?
I’m eating leftover pumpkin pie in celebration.
smapdi @ 259
Bush declares Nobel an enemy combatant.
Excuse me… Senator Inhofe?
MR. Bill -
It shines for Al Gore! :-)
Sunny -
How about the “Burrey Fox”? I’ll drink to that!
And WTF is it with CNN calling Gore’s win a “controversial” decision?
sorry, sunny, i can’t believe i drank the whole thang
smapdi @ 260
Somehow FOX TV and other right wing types will not be proud of this.
yellowdog jim @ 250
hmm …
seems the peace prize is Norwegian.
tw3k @ 265
those are both funny!
CNN now talking about possible gore presidency
Suzanne @ 271
if only we could go back to the year 2000 — and do it right this time.
New Lakes Discovered on Titan
every once in a while something good happens… and i have hope again.
on that happy note, i bid ya’ll a good nite. off to dream progressive dreams
2 aleves
a sip of champagne
bed.
good Night Suzanne!
Suzanne @ 275
goodnight sleepy firepup!
“He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.”
Gonna take em a while to figure out how to spin that one!
yee-hee!
happy dance
g’night, pups…
Well I’ve had dessert.
nite
Don’t know who this wanker Brit news caster on CNN is doing the Gore announcement but they must have gotten him as a version of faux noise lite. :-(
He’s done nothing but “down” the man and global warming since he came on.
SunnyNobility @ 278
Thankfully!
I was just on facebook and Al Gore is gone from my friends list!
Elliott @ 284
Maybe because he just won the Nobel!
ooops, sorry
raven @ 285
that’a happy news!
WASHINGTON, Oct. 11 — The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, has ordered an unusual internal inquiry into the work of the agency’s inspector general, whose aggressive investigations of the C.I.A.’s detention and interrogation programs and other matters have created resentment among agency operatives.
Only someone suffering from Bush Derrangement Syndroome could object.
Elliott @ 283
Which Gore, lol
Gore (and the UN)!
Whether he runs or not, underlining the contrast is going to be helpful.
meanwhile bush makes us more friends US raid targeting Al Qaeda takes heavy toll on civilians
tw3k @ 289
lol!
Anybody want to place a bet as to whether or not faux noise will even announce the Gore win?
Hey, don’t look at me!……..I ain’t volunteerin’ to go to that slime hole to verify one way or the other. *g*
prostratedragon @ 289
Yup!
Waccamaw @ 292
V-Chip!
Fox ran the announcement of Gore winning on the crawl while running t Neil Cavuto interviewing the editor of the NY Sun (joke paper) saying he nominated General Betrayous
for the Nobel Prize……he is probably also responsible for the nominations (sic) of Big Pharma and Hannity as well. They will spend the day making fun of the prize –trying to destroy any institution which they cannot control
The Fox News site has a fairly straight forward piece up.
Waccamaw @ 292
If you’re not into verification, I might be persuaded to make a wager. *g*
Waccamaw @ 293
I did. In small print across the bottom of the screen. They were talking B.S. about something else. 2 seconds was all I could tolerate!!!
Maybe Marion is fixing special goodies for today..
ok troops, today is a special day, i’m going to record a tape (cd actually) to audition for voiceover work…
I’m told I have a golden voice (community theater did Orson Welles “War of the Worlds” radio play as a theater piece, with stage dressed as radio studio, with sound man, etc, in period costume, I directed and was Orson, last year).
Now I try to use that voice to sell stuff. A friend says he can get me work.
Wish me luck.
Former US Vice President Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are to share the Nobel Peace Prize, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has announced.
MR. Bill @ 300
Sounds, heh, fun, good luck!
cnn ’s morning ooverage of the nobel prize might as well have featured Jim Imhofe –Roberts and Chetry were horrible and said the peace prize shouldn’t be given for nvironmental work and tthen repeated the claims of the deniers
The telegraph only has one slam:
katherine Graham Cracker @ 304
Robert’s was prepared with gop talking points.
katherine Graham Cracker @ 303
leave it to the MSM :/
katherine Graham Cracker @ 304
what is wrong with cnn?
don’t they know about darfur? and the role of drought and climate change to the violence there?
Boo-yah!! And good morning! Draft Gore!!! (apparently I’m borrowing from CT – at least I think that’s whose multiple !s I’m borrowing)
Good luck, Mr. Bill. I once knew a female voice-over artist, but I don’t know that such a contact is useful.
Overcast here in Maine, so no dawn Venus.
No breakfast goodies either: Atkins :(
Nice tea, tho. For fun, for those tea-lovers:
http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/
Lovely place. I’m less known than LoudonLib, but we just came back from 2 weeks in England and Wales. For 50-somethings, and maybe for everyone, the jetlag on the return is way worse. I think it took me an entire week to recover.
Now, seriously: what do we do to draft Gore?
the cnn poll today is
Did Al Gore deserve to win the Nobel Peace Prize
my question does cnn deserve to be on cable systems which run on my rights of way
wsj poll: Do you agree with the choice for the Nobel Peace Prize?
draftgore.com?
Sunny -
Looks like I woulda lost the bet anyway!
katherine Graham Cracker @ 304
Same reaction I had earlier with some CNN Brit idjit. :-(
From WSJ so far
Yes: 135 votes
(40%)
No: 205 votes
(60%)
Total Votes : 340
MR. Bill @ 301
Speak Well, Mr. Bill…speak well…remember those “round tones.”
tw3k @ 314
Well, OK folks. I know there’s not a whole lot of us awake, but it’s time to get on this.
Thanx guys. With Al’s win, I feel a little better.
Y’all say hey to Marion, she should be along shortly…
Since Marion’s not here yet, can I interest anyone in a bowl of McCann’s oatmeal with a little demerara sugar and half & half thrown in?
meteor blades has a great picture (one i hadn’t seen) of gore’s desk.
An interesting German take on bush and war on terror: Business with the fear
selise @ 318
messy desk is good :)
MR. Bill @ 301
Leonard Cohen – Tower Of Song Lyrics
Well my friends are gone and my hair is grey
I ache in the places where I used to play
And I’m crazy for love but I’m not coming on
I’m just paying my rent every day
Oh in the Tower of Song
I said to Hank Williams: how lonely does it get?
Hank Williams hasn’t answered yet
But I hear him coughing all night long
A hundred floors above me
In the Tower of Song
I was born like this, I had no choice
I was born with the gift of a golden voice
And twenty-seven angels from the Great Beyond
They tied me to this table right here
In the Tower of Song
So you can stick your little pins in that voodoo doll
I’m very sorry, baby, doesn’t look like me at all
I’m standing by the window where the light is strong
Ah they don’t let a woman kill you
Not in the Tower of Song
Now you can say that I’ve grown bitter but of this you may be sure
The rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor
And there’s a mighty judgement coming, but I may be wrong
You see, you hear these funny voices
In the Tower of Song
I see you standing on the other side
I don’t know how the river got so wide
I loved you baby, way back when
And all the bridges are burning that we might have crossed
But I feel so close to everything that we lost
We’ll never have to lose it again
Now I bid you farewell, I don’t know when I’ll be back
There moving us tomorrow to that tower down the track
But you’ll be hearing from me baby, long after I’m gone
I’ll be speaking to you sweetly
From a window in the Tower of Song
Yeah my friends are gone and my hair is grey
I ache in the places where I used to play
And I’m crazy for love but I’m not coming on
I’m just paying my rent every day
Oh in the Tower of Song
tw3k @ 320
Hope you can read it in the original German…….my “automatically translated” version is a tad wacky. *g* Thanks for the introduction to this aspect of the web.
Good morning, pups. Today the NYT has Bobo and Krugman. Bobo says the Republicans have lost touch with the working class dreamer who longs to make good. I hate to break it to him, but they’ve lost touch with a whole lot more than that, and Paul Krugman will explain it to him. Mr. Krugman says that you’ll learn lots about today’s crop of Republicans by looking at what happened to Graeme Frost and his family.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got pumpkin muffins with pecans all nice and warm from the oven. It’s actually under 60 degrees now — 54 — and it’s feeling like fall!
Hi, Marion -
Isn’t that a fantastic piece from Krugman? Love that man!
also no surprise msgop’s morning jerk has been his usual shallow smarmy and stupid self.
Gore has already said he would not endorse a candidate unless the candidate has a strong environmental platform (talking about the primary) so the mayor of looneyville ignores that statement and says will Gore make a political calculation. No surprise he is an ass
Waccamaw @ 322
heh, yeah, the translation is kind of rough but my english ain’t that great so it reads quite well for me :)
tw3k @ 321
i used to say that an empty desk was a sign of an empty mind.
lol. ‘course i was just trying to rationalize my own disaster that i called a desk.
selise, my feeling has always been that if you have time to dust your desk you don’t have enough to do!
selise -
Did you ever find out why all those hearings got cancelled yesterday?
Washington Journal doing a call-in on Gore’s win……….with gaggy greta as moderator.
selise @ 327
yeah same here, always had a messy desk and in need of a good excuse :)
Marion in Savannah @ 328
Bill said to say hi!
Good morning!
Waccamaw @ 330
yes – i think it was pow wow (or maybe peterr?) who said it was to allow everyone to go to representive Jo Ann Davis’s funeral.
tw3k @ 294
More hot air to add to global warming
The UN i agree with, Gore not so much
Now back to bed
Marion in Savannah @ 329
lol. earlier this week i just gave my desk it’s annual dusting. ‘course i had to dig down to find the desk first.
and now it feels like it must be someone else’s desk. oh well, soon enough it will be back to “normal”.
selise -
Sounds like a good reason. Thanks.
james @ 335
shrugs, other the global warming I haven’t heard any policy. All i care about is more intelligence in congress.
Suzanne @ 238
WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!
Waccamaw @ 338
yeah, i was happy to get an explanation… thought it was too weird.
Gore poll help
scarmouth has russert on to talk about Gore and then wants to talk about the red socks. All these people are scared shitless he’s gonna get in the race………so they keep coming up with multiple reasons why there’s no way he could win.
Way past time to turn this cr*p off and enjoy the victory.
Waccamaw @ 331
some of the callers are depressing the hell out of me.
tw3k @ 321
I havent seen the surface of my desk for years. Glad to hear that’s a good thing.
Waccamaw @ 342
seriously, I can’t even watch MSM any more with the exception of KO
egregious @ 344
Hey, so long as you can find stuff! Cozier too.
tw3k @ 346
every once in a while i start to wish i had cable tv. and then i come to my senses (just referring here to the so-called cable “news” channels)
mornin’ all!
selise @ 347
bah, the rest of it is brain rot too!
twolf1 @ 349
morning!
did you see the good news?
selise @ 351
If you’re referring to a certain Albert Gore, than yes, I did! Yay!
From
NYT
Liberal Base Proves Trying to Democrats
twolf1 @ 352
yup!
selise @ 340
Selise, I was kinda creeped out about that when you noticed it yesterday.
Al Gore!!!!!!
raven @ 352
Democrats Proves Trying to Liberal Base!
SunnyNobility @ 355
How long ’til teh goopers claim the Nobel Prize is a partisan left wing conspiracy?
Good morning!
I came right to FDL to finds out about Al Gore winning the Peace Prize because who needs the traditional media anymore.
scarecrow is upstairs
tw3k @ 356
amen!
1,24 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
GENERAL STRIKE…RE-ELECT AL GORE!!
katherine Graham Cracker @ 296
Of course these folks are INELIGIBLE to nominate anyone for the Nobel Prizes. Scientists nominate for the scientific awards, authors and a select group of literary critics can nominate for the literature awards. And the committee has preselected a group of academics involved in Peace issues to be nominators for the Peace Prize. The other “nominators” are in the Swedish Parliament.
I don’t think the publisher of the NY Sun qualified. BTW This is the same bulldada that Limbaugh asserts…that he was nominated for the prize…if he was he should show us the nomination papers issued by the Swedish Royal Academy. Bet he can’t!
Waccamaw @ 313
I wonder if they raised these same issues with prior recipients? Do they really think that only those that actually END WARS rather than raise attention or deal with the causes of war should be eligible?
Then the should demand the recension of the award to
2006 – Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank
2005 – International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei
2004 – Wangari Maathai
2003 – Shirin Ebadi
2000 – Kim Dae-jung
1999 – Médecins Sans Frontières
1997 – International Campaign to Ban Landmines, Jody Williams
1995 – Joseph Rotblat, Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs
1992 – Rigoberta Menchú Tum
1991 – Aung San Suu Kyi
1989 – The 14th Dalai Lama
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1985 – International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War
1983 – Lech Walesa
1982 – Alva Myrdal, Alfonso García Robles
1981 – Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
1980 – Adolfo Pérez Esquivel
1979 – Mother Teresa
1975 – Andrei Sakharov
and Albert Schweitzer, amongst others.
tw3k @ 356
Solution: Democrats Should Start Trying A Bunch of Republicans!
Impeachment!
No double-wide for the dips in Baghdad? That’s a shame.
Well, a hat tip to TRex for linking to me, I work my crew 4 – 10s so this morning I checked the ’sitemeter’, holy cow. What is nice is that visitors are taking a look at other stuff than just the linked article.
Nice to have you all stop by, thanks.